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Ninth of Av - Worst Day in History

 
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Crucifixion Friday far worse.
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How do you figure it's *worse*?
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"[And] to speak unto the priests which [were] in the house of the LORD of hosts, and to the prophets, saying, Should I weep in the fifth month, separating myself, as I have done these so many years?" Zechariah 7:3
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When the next Ninth of Av will be?
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This Friday night into Saturday.
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9th Av -5772 - July 28-29 2012
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July 28-29 2012

uhoh
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Jesus Christ was purposefully sent to the earth as the ONLY Begotten Son of God in order to provide the Perfect Sacrifice for mankind. Granted, what led up to and the crucifixon has been detailed as the most heinous and significant death burden that ANY one might experience.

Why this is "not" considered to be "worse" is due to the nature of its occurence. For believers, His birth, life, teachings, relationship with God (He is God in the Flesh...) is the literal godsend and Grace that God Himself could provide. Doing away with the "works" of the 1st Covenent (Old Testament) He Himself is Our Salvation - Thru Him.

Friends... He, is your ONLY Hope for what is to come. It is written.

Crucifixion Friday far worse.
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Sorry, there is a point that is not clear...


I know that, according to Jewish tradition, the "Sabbath" starts at the night of Friday, correct?

The orthodox jewish observe the Sabbath starting after the sunset of Friday, is that correct?

My question is: the next Ninth of Av will be the same day of the next Sabbath?

Does it starts at the night of next Friday?

Or it starts at the night of next Saturday?
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"Speak unto all the people of the land, and to the priests, saying, When ye fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh [month], even those seventy years, did ye at all fast unto me, [even] to me?" Zechariah 7:5

"My G-d, the soul which You have given within me is pure. You have created it, You have formed it, You have breathed it."
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Sorry, there is a point that is not clear...


I know that, according to Jewish tradition, the "Sabbath" starts at the night of Friday, correct?

The orthodox jewish observe the Sabbath starting after the sunset of Friday, is that correct?

My question is: the next Ninth of Av will be the same day of the next Sabbath?

Does it starts at the night of next Friday?

Or it starts at the night of next Saturday?
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Anyone can answer that?
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Appreciate the info. United States is largely linked to the "lost" 10 tribes of Israel that settled NW Europe.... later the "starter" cream of that crop settled US for more freedom.

"Israel" or the middle east is more closely tied to the tribe of Judah and perhaps links to Levites ... ie. "Cohen" priesthood names.

Just crucial to understand there were 12 tribes.... and Genesis chapter 49 covers prophecy to each of these 12 individual tribes and the latter days.

There were also prophets specific to the house of Judah and house of Israel.

Without the distinction the prophecy will not make sense, intepret it correctly and history dovetails in an awesome manner.
JerUSAlem! Do you know where the new promised land is?

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Sickening!

Take a look at what the Israeli's are doing to everyone around them.

I have no sympathy, they are ruthless, bloodsucking war mongering people.
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July 20th, 2012, the date of the Aurora massacre, was First of Av, 5772, in the Jewish calendar...


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How do you figure it's *worse*?
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Deicide, dude.
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How do you figure it's *worse*?
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Deicide, dude.
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"Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD [is] near in the valley of decision."
Joel 3:14
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Appreciate the info. United States is largely linked to the "lost" 10 tribes of Israel that settled NW Europe.... later the "starter" cream of that crop settled US for more freedom.

"Israel" or the middle east is more closely tied to the tribe of Judah and perhaps links to Levites ... ie. "Cohen" priesthood names.

Just crucial to understand there were 12 tribes.... and Genesis chapter 49 covers prophecy to each of these 12 individual tribes and the latter days.

There were also prophets specific to the house of Judah and house of Israel.

Without the distinction the prophecy will not make sense, intepret it correctly and history dovetails in an awesome manner.
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ie Manasseh has taken the place of DAN. The priestly order has been changed, as it was with Joshua son of Nun.
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Yes, the Sabbath begins at sunset, Friday eve. And the jewish people observe the Sabbath starting at sunset, Friday eve.
The upcoming Ninth of Av, begins this Friday eve. All Jewish new months begin at evening.

HOWEVER - the Ninth of Av is a FAST day for jewish people. No drinking, eating or bathing. Since fasting on the Sabbath is forbidden - this year the Ninth of Av observance will be deferred to Saturday night at sundown when the Sabbath ends.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Sorry, there is a point that is not clear...


I know that, according to Jewish tradition, the "Sabbath" starts at the night of Friday, correct?

The orthodox jewish observe the Sabbath starting after the sunset of Friday, is that correct?

My question is: the next Ninth of Av will be the same day of the next Sabbath?

Does it starts at the night of next Friday?

Or it starts at the night of next Saturday?
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Yes, the Sabbath begins at sunset, Friday eve. And the jewish people observe the Sabbath starting at sunset, Friday eve.
The upcoming Ninth of Av, begins this Friday eve. All Jewish new months begin at evening.

HOWEVER - the Ninth of Av is a FAST day for jewish people. No drinking, eating or bathing. Since fasting on the Sabbath is forbidden - this year the Ninth of Av observance will be deferred to Saturday night at sundown when the Sabbath ends.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Sorry, there is a point that is not clear...


I know that, according to Jewish tradition, the "Sabbath" starts at the night of Friday, correct?

The orthodox jewish observe the Sabbath starting after the sunset of Friday, is that correct?

My question is: the next Ninth of Av will be the same day of the next Sabbath?

Does it starts at the night of next Friday?

Or it starts at the night of next Saturday?
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Thank you...

So, the fast observance will start at the end of the Sabbath (after the sunset on Saturday, July 28).

BUT, in the Jewish calendar, the Ninth of Av starts after the sunset on Friday, July 27, correct?
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Appreciate the info. United States is largely linked to the "lost" 10 tribes of Israel that settled NW Europe.... later the "starter" cream of that crop settled US for more freedom.

"Israel" or the middle east is more closely tied to the tribe of Judah and perhaps links to Levites ... ie. "Cohen" priesthood names.

Just crucial to understand there were 12 tribes.... and Genesis chapter 49 covers prophecy to each of these 12 individual tribes and the latter days.

There were also prophets specific to the house of Judah and house of Israel.

Without the distinction the prophecy will not make sense, intepret it correctly and history dovetails in an awesome manner.
 Quoting: ChivalryKnight


ie Manasseh has taken the place of DAN. The priestly order has been changed, as it was with Joshua son of Nun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20435964


Psalm 110

"[[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.


The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.


Thy people [shall be] willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.


The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek..."
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Look:

[link to www.chabad.org]


Shabbat, July 28, 2012

9 Av, 5772


But the Shabbat starts at the sunset of Friday.

So, the 9 Av, 5772 starts after the sunset of Friday, July 27, 2012.
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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Correct to both questions.
Fast is moved to Saturday night till Sunday at sundown.


Yes, the Sabbath begins at sunset, Friday eve. And the jewish people observe the Sabbath starting at sunset, Friday eve.
The upcoming Ninth of Av, begins this Friday eve. All Jewish new months begin at evening.

HOWEVER - the Ninth of Av is a FAST day for jewish people. No drinking, eating or bathing. Since fasting on the Sabbath is forbidden - this year the Ninth of Av observance will be deferred to Saturday night at sundown when the Sabbath ends.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Sorry, there is a point that is not clear...


I know that, according to Jewish tradition, the "Sabbath" starts at the night of Friday, correct?

The orthodox jewish observe the Sabbath starting after the sunset of Friday, is that correct?

My question is: the next Ninth of Av will be the same day of the next Sabbath?

Does it starts at the night of next Friday?

Or it starts at the night of next Saturday?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20432505

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20426289




Thank you...

So, the fast observance will start at the end of the Sabbath (after the sunset on Saturday, July 28).

BUT, in the Jewish calendar, the Ninth of Av starts after the sunset on Friday, July 27, correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20432505
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Just to clarify the 9th of Av - is still occurring on Friday night - the OBSERVANCE of the fast is just being moved to Saturday night. HTH
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Look:

[link to www.chabad.org]


Shabbat, July 28, 2012

9 Av, 5772


But the Shabbat starts at the sunset of Friday.

So, the 9 Av, 5772 starts after the sunset of Friday, July 27, 2012.
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The Shabbat before the Ninth of Av is called Shabbat Chazon ("Shabbat of Vision") after the opening words of the day's reading from the prophets ("haftara"), which is the third of the series of readings known as "The Three of Rebuke." On this Shabbat, say the Chassidic masters, we are granted a vision of the Third Temple; we may not see it with our physical eyes, but our souls see it, and are empowered to break free of our present state of galut (exile and spiritual displacement) and bring about the Redemption and the rebuilding of the Temple.

[link to www.chabad.org]

thie year (confusingly), this shabbat is actually on the 9th of AV
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"And shall say, Cast ye up, cast ye up, prepare the way, take up the stumbling block out of the way of my people.

For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones." ISAIAH 57:14&15
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Just to clarify the 9th of Av - is still occurring on Friday night - the OBSERVANCE of the fast is just being moved to Saturday night. HTH
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Thank you...

That information MAKES A LOT OF SENSE to me...
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That's interesting. Thanks for the reminder of Shabbat Chazon.

Perhaps this is of interest - [link to rashbi2012.blogspot.co.il]


Look:

[link to www.chabad.org]


Shabbat, July 28, 2012

9 Av, 5772


But the Shabbat starts at the sunset of Friday.

So, the 9 Av, 5772 starts after the sunset of Friday, July 27, 2012.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20432505


The Shabbat before the Ninth of Av is called Shabbat Chazon ("Shabbat of Vision") after the opening words of the day's reading from the prophets ("haftara"), which is the third of the series of readings known as "The Three of Rebuke." On this Shabbat, say the Chassidic masters, we are granted a vision of the Third Temple; we may not see it with our physical eyes, but our souls see it, and are empowered to break free of our present state of galut (exile and spiritual displacement) and bring about the Redemption and the rebuilding of the Temple.

[link to www.chabad.org]

thie year (confusingly), this shabbat is actually on the 9th of AV
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Worst day according to who?

Not my worst day...
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That's interesting. Thanks for the reminder of Shabbat Chazon.

Perhaps this is of interest - [link to rashbi2012.blogspot.co.il]


Look:

[link to www.chabad.org]


Shabbat, July 28, 2012

9 Av, 5772


But the Shabbat starts at the sunset of Friday.

So, the 9 Av, 5772 starts after the sunset of Friday, July 27, 2012.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20432505


The Shabbat before the Ninth of Av is called Shabbat Chazon ("Shabbat of Vision") after the opening words of the day's reading from the prophets ("haftara"), which is the third of the series of readings known as "The Three of Rebuke." On this Shabbat, say the Chassidic masters, we are granted a vision of the Third Temple; we may not see it with our physical eyes, but our souls see it, and are empowered to break free of our present state of galut (exile and spiritual displacement) and bring about the Redemption and the rebuilding of the Temple.

[link to www.chabad.org]

thie year (confusingly), this shabbat is actually on the 9th of AV
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thanks!

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