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In a blow to judicial prudence and common sense a South Dakota federal appeals court ruled 7 - 4 that it was indeed legal to require doctors to tell abortion patients the day before their procedure that they will be at risk for suicide. The warning of suicide that doctors are now forced to give has never been medically or scientifically proven. Because of this, opponents call it nothing but a scare tactic.

The ruling overturned a previous decision made in September 2011 that said the requirement was not within the realms of the law. That decision was in response to a 2005 law which required all abortion practitioners to notify in writing, "all medical risks of the procedure" which allegedly included "risk of suicide." Again, the claim was made without evidence.

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That's good news you prick.
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That's good news you prick.
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you mad, bro?
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Water doesn't prevent dehydration either right? LOL
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Re: Judge rules doctors must lie to patients and say abortion causes suicide
The unborn baby is part of the mother so in a way abortion is suicide.
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The realization that one just had a human being murdered can be overwhelming.
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Suicide? I thought it caused murder.
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The realization that one just had a human being murdered can be overwhelming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


it is
many young women get them
it's "trendy" even

but those young women grow older
and one day feel the life of the badly wanted baby in their wombs
and realize rather fast that the other baby
was also a baby


many women regret the decision
women mourn this when they realize it
not all, of course
but i'm a woman and i know many women and most of the ones who had abortions do carry guilt
it's very sad

abortion is an industry that takes advantage of naive young women
who often don't have the wisdom to really understand what they did until they're older when it's too late
i'm glad a judge did this
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The whole schtick has nothing to do with babies or life, it's about controlling the means of production (women). Lets not pass of this BS as altruistic, that's just the phony mask it hides behind.
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Want to see a pathetic sight? Hang out on Mother's Day with a woman who had an abortion. Train wreck.
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The realization that one just had a human being murdered can be overwhelming.
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it is
many young women get them
it's "trendy" even

but those young women grow older
and one day feel the life of the badly wanted baby in their wombs
and realize rather fast that the other baby
was also a baby


many women regret the decision
women mourn this when they realize it
not all, of course
but i'm a woman and i know many women and most of the ones who had abortions do carry guilt
it's very sad

abortion is an industry that takes advantage of naive young women
who often don't have the wisdom to really understand what they did until they're older when it's too late
i'm glad a judge did this
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20214286


This is true; knew a woman that did not even hesitate to get an abortion and she was an emotional wreck afterwards.
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Want to see a pathetic sight? Hang out on Mother's Day with a woman who should never of had an abortion, who went ahead anyway and had an abortion. Train wreck.
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fixed it for ya
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Re: Judge rules doctors must lie to patients and say abortion causes suicide
In a blow to judicial prudence and common sense a South Dakota federal appeals court ruled 7 - 4 that it was indeed legal to require doctors to tell abortion patients the day before their procedure that they will be at risk for suicide. The warning of suicide that doctors are now forced to give has never been medically or scientifically proven. Because of this, opponents call it nothing but a scare tactic.

The ruling overturned a previous decision made in September 2011 that said the requirement was not within the realms of the law. That decision was in response to a 2005 law which required all abortion practitioners to notify in writing, "all medical risks of the procedure" which allegedly included "risk of suicide." Again, the claim was made without evidence.

[link to www.examiner.com]
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


all you 'terians who love your liberty should be shouting from the motherfucking rooftops about how government is too damn big

but ya'll are a bunch of hypocrites, only when convenient for YOU

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"doesn't it make you feel better?"
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Oh what a bunch of crap from someone's personal blog. Abortion does not cause suicide, get real,
become a woman, get pregnant, and THEN depending on the situation see how YOU feel.

This is a total and complete crock of propaganda shit!


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Want to see a pathetic sight? Hang out on Mother's Day with a woman who had an abortion. Train wreck.
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Right. You are full of shit!
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Re: Judge rules doctors must lie to patients and say abortion causes suicide
In a blow to judicial prudence and common sense a South Dakota federal appeals court ruled 7 - 4 that it was indeed legal to require doctors to tell abortion patients the day before their procedure that they will be at risk for suicide. The warning of suicide that doctors are now forced to give has never been medically or scientifically proven. Because of this, opponents call it nothing but a scare tactic.

The ruling overturned a previous decision made in September 2011 that said the requirement was not within the realms of the law. That decision was in response to a 2005 law which required all abortion practitioners to notify in writing, "all medical risks of the procedure" which allegedly included "risk of suicide." Again, the claim was made without evidence.

[link to www.examiner.com]
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


all you 'terians who love your liberty should be shouting from the motherfucking rooftops about how government is too damn big

but ya'll are a bunch of hypocrites, only when convenient for YOU
 Quoting: WretchedHollywood


actually my stance is quite broad on this issue. on one hand i am against abortion. it saddens me because of the loss of potential for a great life to begin -- unless it's a life-threatening situation, or the result of rape/incest then a woman has every right to decide it.

but, on the other hand, i'm a staunch individualist who will never impose my belief system on another : if she wants to, i can't stop her.

i posted this mostly because of the topic's infringement on personal rights than any agenda concerning abortion.

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Re: Judge rules doctors must lie to patients and say abortion causes suicide
Abortion fits nicely into -- and, in fact, is a key part of -- the elite's population control agenda.

So worry not, you baby-murderers. This ruling will eventually be reversed (probably as a "backlash" a la the Hegelian dialectic), so you will have your "rights." Too bad the babies don't have any "rights."

Have you ever noticed how many feminists and freaks scream about the government "keeping its hands off their bodies," yet those same losers are DEMANDING socialized medicine?! Funny that.
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Re: Judge rules doctors must lie to patients and say abortion causes suicide
Oh what a bunch of crap from someone's personal blog. Abortion does not cause suicide, get real,
become a woman, get pregnant, and THEN depending on the situation see how YOU feel.

This is a total and complete crock of propaganda shit!


bsflagpropoganda
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yep. Just a bunch of religitards that want to make people feel guilty.

I'm not really FOR abortion, but I would rather a young woman that made a mistake have the option of getting an abortion as apposed to her having to drop out of school/work and live on welfare.

I only support abortion in the first trimester before the egg starts to take on human characteristics.


Oh, and I have a comment for the right-wing 'Republicans' too.

Quit letting the republicans sucker you into thinking that they are anti-abortion. They are playing you for a fool. If they ever outlawed abortion, they would lose their number 1 issue that keeps bringing the sheep to the polls on election year. It is a scam. Become a Libertarian.

Last Edited by chris999 on 07/25/2012 10:54 PM
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

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South Dakota is full of wackos who are sucking Satan's cock!
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South Dakota is full of wackos who are sucking Satan's cock!
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Quote:

Statistics show women who have had abortions have higher rates of suicide compared with women who have given birth, but the sides don't agree that there's a causal link between abortion and suicide.

The four dissenting judges said multiple studies cited failed to take into account factors such as pre-existing mental health issues, domestic violence and a young age at the time of pregnancy.


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Guess some like to think it's just a coincidence. Goes against very natural instinct and intuition and emotion. No way in hell is it anything but a disaster especially for the totally innocent party involved.
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lady wolf ^^^^^^^^^^^^

-sigh-
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The realization that one just had a human being murdered can be overwhelming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


it is
many young women get them
it's "trendy" even

but those young women grow older
and one day feel the life of the badly wanted baby in their wombs
and realize rather fast that the other baby
was also a baby


many women regret the decision
women mourn this when they realize it
not all, of course
but i'm a woman and i know many women and most of the ones who had abortions do carry guilt
it's very sad

abortion is an industry that takes advantage of naive young women
who often don't have the wisdom to really understand what they did until they're older when it's too late
i'm glad a judge did this
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20214286


1.) Nobody thinks abortions are "trendy". Not even foolish young skanks. They just think the loose sex is trendy.

2.) You can always have another baby.

3.) You won't regret an abortion nearly as much as utterly failing to raise a child because you lack the maturity and financial stability to raise it properly.
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Re: Judge rules doctors must lie to patients and say abortion causes suicide
Oh what a bunch of crap from someone's personal blog. Abortion does not cause suicide, get real,
become a woman, get pregnant, and THEN depending on the situation see how YOU feel.

This is a total and complete crock of propaganda shit!


bsflagpropoganda
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18044353


yep. Just a bunch of religitards that want to make people feel guilty.

I'm not really FOR abortion, but I would rather a young woman that made a mistake have the option of getting an abortion as apposed to her having to drop out of school/work and live on welfare.

I only support abortion in the first trimester before the egg starts to take on human characteristics.


Oh, and I have a comment for the right-wing 'Republicans' too.

Quit letting the republicans sucker you into thinking that they are anti-abortion. They are playing you for a fool. If they ever outlawed abortion, they would lose their number 1 issue that keeps bringing the sheep to the polls on election year. It is a scam. Become a Libertarian.
 Quoting: chris999




Trust me, no one has to "make" any person with a brain feel guilty about taking the life of a totally innocent. Don't blame that on anybody except the ones doing it.



Embryology---get some! It's barbaric! People who can't practice birth control should get themselves permanently neutered instead of killing the only innocent party involved.
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Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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Re: Judge rules doctors must lie to patients and say abortion causes suicide
That's good news you prick.
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you mad, bro?
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Nope. I'm glad the judges have decided to protect women and their babies at least a little bit.
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Re: Judge rules doctors must lie to patients and say abortion causes suicide
In a blow to judicial prudence and common sense a South Dakota federal appeals court ruled 7 - 4 that it was indeed legal to require doctors to tell abortion patients the day before their procedure that they will be at risk for suicide. The warning of suicide that doctors are now forced to give has never been medically or scientifically proven. Because of this, opponents call it nothing but a scare tactic.

The ruling overturned a previous decision made in September 2011 that said the requirement was not within the realms of the law. That decision was in response to a 2005 law which required all abortion practitioners to notify in writing, "all medical risks of the procedure" which allegedly included "risk of suicide." Again, the claim was made without evidence.

[link to www.examiner.com]
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


all you 'terians who love your liberty should be shouting from the motherfucking rooftops about how government is too damn big

but ya'll are a bunch of hypocrites, only when convenient for YOU
 Quoting: WretchedHollywood


actually my stance is quite broad on this issue. on one hand i am against abortion. it saddens me because of the loss of potential for a great life to begin -- unless it's a life-threatening situation, or the result of rape/incest then a woman has every right to decide it.

but, on the other hand, i'm a staunch individualist who will never impose my belief system on another : if she wants to, i can't stop her.

i posted this mostly because of the topic's infringement on personal rights than any agenda concerning abortion.
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


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lady wolf ^^^^^^^^^^^^

-sigh-
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The realization that one just had a human being murdered can be overwhelming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


it is
many young women get them
it's "trendy" even

but those young women grow older
and one day feel the life of the badly wanted baby in their wombs
and realize rather fast that the other baby
was also a baby


many women regret the decision
women mourn this when they realize it
not all, of course
but i'm a woman and i know many women and most of the ones who had abortions do carry guilt
it's very sad

abortion is an industry that takes advantage of naive young women
who often don't have the wisdom to really understand what they did until they're older when it's too late
i'm glad a judge did this
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20214286


1.) Nobody thinks abortions are "trendy". Not even foolish young skanks. They just think the loose sex is trendy.

2.) You can always have another baby.

3.) You won't regret an abortion nearly as much as utterly failing to raise a child because you lack the maturity and financial stability to raise it properly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20555683


Bullshit.

1) had a young roommate a couple of years ago. Told me she was taking the abortion pill and said "it's a beautiful thing." Even kept herself on the schedule for work the next day, saying how cool it was.
Bitch ended up hemorraging and had to call an ambulance in the middle of the night.

2) YOU CAN'T ALWAYS HAVE ANOTHER BABY.

3) There are other options.
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Re: Judge rules doctors must lie to patients and say abortion causes suicide
Wow - so they want to put the idea 'now you're at risk of suicide' to the patients THE DAY BEFORE THE PROCEDURE, when they've already decided they are going through with it. Hoping that the women will now be more likely to off themselves, knowing that feelings of guilt are common, and they will be expecting and looking for suicidal thoughts after being told this lie.

HOW EVIL!!!
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Want to see a pathetic sight? Hang out on Mother's Day with a woman who had an abortion. Train wreck.
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Right. You are full of shit!
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Don't you wish.
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Re: Judge rules doctors must lie to patients and say abortion causes suicide
In a blow to judicial prudence and common sense a South Dakota federal appeals court ruled 7 - 4 that it was indeed legal to require doctors to tell abortion patients the day before their procedure that they will be at risk for suicide. The warning of suicide that doctors are now forced to give has never been medically or scientifically proven. Because of this, opponents call it nothing but a scare tactic.

The ruling overturned a previous decision made in September 2011 that said the requirement was not within the realms of the law. That decision was in response to a 2005 law which required all abortion practitioners to notify in writing, "all medical risks of the procedure" which allegedly included "risk of suicide." Again, the claim was made without evidence.

[link to www.examiner.com]
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


all you 'terians who love your liberty should be shouting from the motherfucking rooftops about how government is too damn big

but ya'll are a bunch of hypocrites, only when convenient for YOU
 Quoting: WretchedHollywood


This is also something that's never been medically or scientifically DIS-proven, either. And suicide is always a risk for anyone who goes through a traumatic experience. And abortion is a traumatic event, both physically and emotionally.

Doctors should advise their patients of all potential risks associated with any procedure.
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They should also mention the connection to breast cancer, premature future births, sterility, accidents ( really suicide attempts, but not listed as such), and mental illnesses such as bulimia and anorexia.

All found to be true based on hundreds of studies in the US and Europe.
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thanks to the asshole for handing me reds without even reading what i have to say.
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