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Proof - We Don't Exist

 
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why is there a shill on this thread is my question
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OP, does that really qualify as "proof" of non-existence or perhaps just that we have lag because our minds have trained themselves to compensate for the latency issues that our senses have? We interact here pushing forward in a sequence of frames that are limited only by our ability to perceive our environment.

The drone metaphor was perfect. A drone "pilot" does not identify the drone as part of him/herself, though it's common in modern society to identify our "body" as who we are. In reality the body, like a drone, is just a sensor suite providing a data stream, in this moment and the speed at which we receive the data is based on it's ability to process the information in a way we can perceive it.

The proof you provide may not be for non-existence but instead that we are non-existent in a material body-centric sense.

hf
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That's well stated. The best argument I cam counter my argument with is that there are two time strems and two present moments, one in each. There is an objective time stream independent of observation, and a second subjective observers time stream. It comes close, but isn't the same as, relativity.
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OP, here is your dilema, all of what you detailed happens in an instant a millisecond of time almost instantaneous, when it comes to the Human perception.

The data transmited and recieved and then relayed and returned happens faster than lightening can strike!!!

In that moment of time, that minute speck of a millisecond an eternity occured, a whole encyclopedic display of information, emotion, sensory perception, rational/irrational, growth, maturity, reality, understanding and awareness all rush in with a tsunami like explosion!!! All before lightening can hit the ground.

Your explanation of what occurs in the process of percieved information is not evidence for non existence but rather evidence of existence.

For you to be able to consciously disect a model of operation is proof of reality.
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It is a dilemma and goes all the way back to the philosopy of sophistry. Do we exist at all? The best answer to that has always been "I think, therefore I am." That stood the test of time pretty well until AI was invented. It takes you into a whole range of arguments of what exist means. Bottom line, my argument doesn't really apply to whether we exist or not, although I pose it that way for entertainment value, it goes to the heart of what time is, or isn't, and how we perceive it and apply that perception.

Time, independent of an observer, may not exist at all. Time may only be the framework our minds, due to their innate limitations, uses to make sense of the universe. We may well be spending our entire lives in a falshood that we self impose.

Note: I have to be away from the computer for a while - I'll return tomorrow to see if this developed any further.

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does that mean i actually start ejaculating before i orgasm
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does that mean i actually start ejaculating before i orgasm
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Good question - the answer is yes, but only by mili-seconds. But then for some, that's all it takes. :-)
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The past and the future do not exist. The past did exist but no longer does. The future will exist, but doesn’t yet. Only the present moment exists. The present is an infinitely thin filament of time between the past and the future. The present is the only “time” that actually does exist. The present is the time frame that we exist in. Right?

There is a paradox though, because we don’t think or move in the present. We think in the past, which doesn’t exist.

Imagine the pilot of a CIA drone airplane. He sits in a control room with sensor read outs and video camera screens. The drone is thousands of miles away. The drone has sensors and cameras that transmit information to the control room where the control room computer receives the incoming data, then interprets the data and then outputs the data; only after all of that does the pilot interpret the readouts (of the data that occurred in the past) and make his flight adjustments.

There is always a time lag between the sensor in the drone receiving data and then transmitting the data to the control room, the control room interpreting and outputting the data, and the readouts providing the information to the pilot. The time lag can be quite long, depending on circumstances. The pilot is always behind the actual present moment that the drone exists in, due to the transmission/interpretation time required. In essence the pilot is always flying the drone in the past and never in the present.

Human consciousness is exactly the same. All data received by the brain is transmitted along neural pathways to the brain. The brain receives the signals and then determines which signals to allow through to the consciousness and then interprets the neural signals based on past experiences before presenting the data to the consciousness. By the time the consciousness is aware of the signal, the moment of the actual signal’s having been generated has passed. The human consciousness is just like the drone pilot, sitting in a remote location, reading interpreted signals that required time to arrive and process.

The consciousness of each individual is not only separated from reality by its body’s mechanical/electrical/chemical systems, it is also operating strictly on past data.

So, there is the paradox, the human consciousness exists in the past and the past simply doesn’t exist.

Think about this the next time you are in a conversation, be aware that the voice you are hearing isn’t in the present. The person speaking says something, the sound is transmitted as vibration waves passing through the atmosphere, the vibrations go into your ear canal and vibrate your ear drum, the ear drum vibrates small bones, the nerves in and around those bones pick up the signal and transmit electrical signals along an electrical conduit, the electrical pulse eventually arrives in some portion of the brain where it is releases a series of electrical impulses.

Those impulses release chemical messengers that travel to chemical receptors then some magic happens that causes your consciousness to recognize the pattern of the signal as a voice with a specific modulation, then the brain also decodes the signal into a syllable attached to another syllable.

These syllables are combined and then sent into the memory section of the brain where the brain compares the combined sound pattern with millions of previously experienced sound patterns, after millions of comparisons the brain makes a match and determines that this pattern is recognizable as a specific word, then the brain searches the memory for all instances of the uses of that specific word and determines what the word’s definition is.

But wait there’s more because now the brain also compares the many uses of that word to the specific clues surrounding it for context and meaning in this particular instance. Only after all of this is accomplished does the brain present this to the consciousness. By the time the consciousness has the information the word has been spoken in the past.

Now go back to paying attention to the conversation as if none of this matters. Since we don't exist, none of this does matter, right?
 Quoting: Lloyd Tackitt


Some much effort for such an obviously flawed theory!!

10/10 for effort and energy.

My advice: Stay as you are, keep that energy, if some of your endeavors don't pan out (such as this one), don't give up. keep learning, growing and exploring.

Honestly really impressive.

In conclusion: I respectfully disagree with you, but am blown away by your energy and search for answers.

Advice: Judge a tree by it's fruit.
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well then does anything exist? your comparing the marvelous, unmatchable computing power and complexity that is our brain and its instant information transfer in REAL TIME against a machine we created (ie your drone metaphor)

Your perception is all that matters to YOU. but I do not limit myself to such narrow mindsets . To me you seem like a child.

You are on the right path of thinking outside the box.

However the box that doesn't exist, is actually much larger than you will ever imagine.

Enough of this "we don't exist" bullshit.

Go punch yourself in the past and let me know if it hurts in the future, or the present .

teehee, see what i did there ;)
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The past and the future do not exist. The past did exist but no longer does. The future will exist, but doesn’t yet. Only the present moment exists. The present is an infinitely thin filament of time between the past and the future. The present is the only “time” that actually does exist. The present is the time frame that we exist in. Right?

There is a paradox though, because we don’t think or move in the present. We think in the past, which doesn’t exist.

Imagine the pilot of a CIA drone airplane. He sits in a control room with sensor read outs and video camera screens. The drone is thousands of miles away. The drone has sensors and cameras that transmit information to the control room where the control room computer receives the incoming data, then interprets the data and then outputs the data; only after all of that does the pilot interpret the readouts (of the data that occurred in the past) and make his flight adjustments.

There is always a time lag between the sensor in the drone receiving data and then transmitting the data to the control room, the control room interpreting and outputting the data, and the readouts providing the information to the pilot. The time lag can be quite long, depending on circumstances. The pilot is always behind the actual present moment that the drone exists in, due to the transmission/interpretation time required. In essence the pilot is always flying the drone in the past and never in the present.

Human consciousness is exactly the same. All data received by the brain is transmitted along neural pathways to the brain. The brain receives the signals and then determines which signals to allow through to the consciousness and then interprets the neural signals based on past experiences before presenting the data to the consciousness. By the time the consciousness is aware of the signal, the moment of the actual signal’s having been generated has passed. The human consciousness is just like the drone pilot, sitting in a remote location, reading interpreted signals that required time to arrive and process.

The consciousness of each individual is not only separated from reality by its body’s mechanical/electrical/chemical systems, it is also operating strictly on past data.

So, there is the paradox, the human consciousness exists in the past and the past simply doesn’t exist.

Think about this the next time you are in a conversation, be aware that the voice you are hearing isn’t in the present. The person speaking says something, the sound is transmitted as vibration waves passing through the atmosphere, the vibrations go into your ear canal and vibrate your ear drum, the ear drum vibrates small bones, the nerves in and around those bones pick up the signal and transmit electrical signals along an electrical conduit, the electrical pulse eventually arrives in some portion of the brain where it is releases a series of electrical impulses.

Those impulses release chemical messengers that travel to chemical receptors then some magic happens that causes your consciousness to recognize the pattern of the signal as a voice with a specific modulation, then the brain also decodes the signal into a syllable attached to another syllable.

These syllables are combined and then sent into the memory section of the brain where the brain compares the combined sound pattern with millions of previously experienced sound patterns, after millions of comparisons the brain makes a match and determines that this pattern is recognizable as a specific word, then the brain searches the memory for all instances of the uses of that specific word and determines what the word’s definition is.

But wait there’s more because now the brain also compares the many uses of that word to the specific clues surrounding it for context and meaning in this particular instance. Only after all of this is accomplished does the brain present this to the consciousness. By the time the consciousness has the information the word has been spoken in the past.

Now go back to paying attention to the conversation as if none of this matters. Since we don't exist, none of this does matter, right?
 Quoting: Lloyd Tackitt


Some much effort for such an obviously flawed theory!!

10/10 for effort and energy.

My advice: Stay as you are, keep that energy, if some of your endeavors don't pan out (such as this one), don't give up. keep learning, growing and exploring.

Honestly really impressive.

In conclusion: I respectfully disagree with you, but am blown away by your energy and search for answers.

Advice: Judge a tree by it's fruit.
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haha you beat me to it ! funny we both come out of the woodwork at the same time
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Great (but humble) minds, think alike!!!
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heh, be safe my friend.
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Arrogance??? LOL the arrogance is in assuming that I was conversating with anyone except OP!

If you wish to pull up along side OP and tickle his ego, be my guest! Go right on and discuss the matter with OP.

My dialogue with OP was directed towards OP not you.

OP may have generated an open discussion with whomever finds interest but my dialogue was with OP not you.
 Quoting: rabit hole 20574542


It's clear the OP is talking about 'actual' time. You are talking about 'perceived' local time.

It’s the difference between 99.9% empty space and the machine you used to post your message. IE, what he is saying is beyond your intelligence to comprehend…
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20280907


Once again, "You should let the OP determine that!"

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear when I said,

"The third wheel thing never turns out good."

So let me make myself clear,

Fuck off, I do not wish to engage further in your antics, my interest is with OPs analysis I have zero inerest in engaging your intellect. Stop talking to me, don't respond. My conversation was not with you!

You butted in, so kindly fuck off!

(moron will still reply though) dense.
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lala

Standard response:- Attack when you don't have the intellect to make a good argument.

Oh please...

neener jerkit
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ah, a good brit/aussie cat fight - usually it's us yanks bashing one another...
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well then does anything exist? your comparing the marvelous, unmatchable computing power and complexity that is our brain and its instant information transfer in REAL TIME against a machine we created (ie your drone metaphor)

Your perception is all that matters to YOU. but I do not limit myself to such narrow mindsets . To me you seem like a child.

You are on the right path of thinking outside the box.

However the box that doesn't exist, is actually much larger than you will ever imagine.

Enough of this "we don't exist" bullshit.

Go punch yourself in the past and let me know if it hurts in the future, or the present .

teehee, see what i did there ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17693691


Everything that exists, exists. Many things that existed, don't. Things that don't exist, will. How's that for circularity?

Of course we exist, you may have missed my tongue in cheek attitude about our existince, which would be my fault for not making that clear.

The real question is - does time, as we understand it, exist? I'd say no because of the reasoning I used in the opening. If it existed the way we see it then we couldn't exist - therefore time must exist in a different way, or not at all. I'm using logic the way astronomers use math to discover planets we can't see.
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OP, does that really qualify as "proof" of non-existence or perhaps just that we have lag because our minds have trained themselves to compensate for the latency issues that our senses have? We interact here pushing forward in a sequence of frames that are limited only by our ability to perceive our environment.

The drone metaphor was perfect. A drone "pilot" does not identify the drone as part of him/herself, though it's common in modern society to identify our "body" as who we are. In reality the body, like a drone, is just a sensor suite providing a data stream, in this moment and the speed at which we receive the data is based on it's ability to process the information in a way we can perceive it.

The proof you provide may not be for non-existence but instead that we are non-existent in a material body-centric sense.

hf
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


That's well stated. The best argument I cam counter my argument with is that there are two time strems and two present moments, one in each. There is an objective time stream independent of observation, and a second subjective observers time stream. It comes close, but isn't the same as, relativity.
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is there an 'objective' time stream apart from and independent of the 'subjective' consciousness stream? some interesting quantum discoveries increasingly amaze the curious of mind.
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btw, buddhism and other meditative practices say, "i think, therefore i am not." in other words, confined to thoughts, i am oblivious to my true being of infinite clarity at the center of all manifestation - something like that!
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OP, does that really qualify as "proof" of non-existence or perhaps just that we have lag because our minds have trained themselves to compensate for the latency issues that our senses have? We interact here pushing forward in a sequence of frames that are limited only by our ability to perceive our environment.

The drone metaphor was perfect. A drone "pilot" does not identify the drone as part of him/herself, though it's common in modern society to identify our "body" as who we are. In reality the body, like a drone, is just a sensor suite providing a data stream, in this moment and the speed at which we receive the data is based on it's ability to process the information in a way we can perceive it.

The proof you provide may not be for non-existence but instead that we are non-existent in a material body-centric sense.

hf
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That's well stated. The best argument I cam counter my argument with is that there are two time strems and two present moments, one in each. There is an objective time stream independent of observation, and a second subjective observers time stream. It comes close, but isn't the same as, relativity.
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is there an 'objective' time stream apart from and independent of the 'subjective' consciousness stream? some interesting quantum discoveries increasingly amaze the curious of mind.
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Damn good question. Quantum physics has shown that reality is changed by the act of observing it. That leaves us wondering about everything we observe. Criminal defense lawyers use a similar argument all the time. Two observers means two interpretations of a single even.

Maybe time doesn't exist at all, maybe it does but is changed by being observed. Our concept of time might be like the concept of feet and inches. Feet and inches are merely a framework we use for our ease, but feet and inches do not exist anywhere in the universe independent of our usage, and we created them from whole cloth. Hours and minutes may be the same.
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btw, buddhism and other meditative practices say, "i think, therefore i am not." in other words, confined to thoughts, i am oblivious to my true being of infinite clarity at the center of all manifestation - something like that!
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Pretty close. Zen is the art of being concious without thought. Sounds simple, but is extremely difficult to do for more than a second or two. Our minds distort reality by using thoughts and concepts. Strip that away and you can become one with the all. Or something like that. See that's the problem with Zen, if you describe it, you distort it. It can be experienced, but not described.
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OP, does that really qualify as "proof" of non-existence or perhaps just that we have lag because our minds have trained themselves to compensate for the latency issues that our senses have? We interact here pushing forward in a sequence of frames that are limited only by our ability to perceive our environment.

The drone metaphor was perfect. A drone "pilot" does not identify the drone as part of him/herself, though it's common in modern society to identify our "body" as who we are. In reality the body, like a drone, is just a sensor suite providing a data stream, in this moment and the speed at which we receive the data is based on it's ability to process the information in a way we can perceive it.

The proof you provide may not be for non-existence but instead that we are non-existent in a material body-centric sense.

hf
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


That's well stated. The best argument I cam counter my argument with is that there are two time strems and two present moments, one in each. There is an objective time stream independent of observation, and a second subjective observers time stream. It comes close, but isn't the same as, relativity.
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is there an 'objective' time stream apart from and independent of the 'subjective' consciousness stream? some interesting quantum discoveries increasingly amaze the curious of mind.
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Damn good question. Quantum physics has shown that reality is changed by the act of observing it. That leaves us wondering about everything we observe. Criminal defense lawyers use a similar argument all the time. Two observers means two interpretations of a single even.

Maybe time doesn't exist at all, maybe it does but is changed by being observed. Our concept of time might be like the concept of feet and inches. Feet and inches are merely a framework we use for our ease, but feet and inches do not exist anywhere in the universe independent of our usage, and we created them from whole cloth. Hours and minutes may be the same.
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I think looking at reality on a practical level and a theoretical level are (sadly) two different things. Yes in quantum physics we have super positioning and as stated above by observing something we change it.

But reality is not just physical............it is spiritual. In so far as: We are here, what are we going to do about it? So what should we do? INCREASE THE LOVE!!!!!!!
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That's well stated. The best argument I cam counter my argument with is that there are two time strems and two present moments, one in each. There is an objective time stream independent of observation, and a second subjective observers time stream. It comes close, but isn't the same as, relativity.
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is there an 'objective' time stream apart from and independent of the 'subjective' consciousness stream? some interesting quantum discoveries increasingly amaze the curious of mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15822494


Damn good question. Quantum physics has shown that reality is changed by the act of observing it. That leaves us wondering about everything we observe. Criminal defense lawyers use a similar argument all the time. Two observers means two interpretations of a single even.

Maybe time doesn't exist at all, maybe it does but is changed by being observed. Our concept of time might be like the concept of feet and inches. Feet and inches are merely a framework we use for our ease, but feet and inches do not exist anywhere in the universe independent of our usage, and we created them from whole cloth. Hours and minutes may be the same.
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I think looking at reality on a practical level and a theoretical level are (sadly) two different things. Yes in quantum physics we have super positioning and as stated above by observing something we change it.

But reality is not just physical............it is spiritual. In so far as: We are here, what are we going to do about it? So what should we do? INCREASE THE LOVE!!!!!!!
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is there an 'objective' time stream apart from and independent of the 'subjective' consciousness stream? some interesting quantum discoveries increasingly amaze the curious of mind.
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Damn good question. Quantum physics has shown that reality is changed by the act of observing it. That leaves us wondering about everything we observe. Criminal defense lawyers use a similar argument all the time. Two observers means two interpretations of a single even.

Maybe time doesn't exist at all, maybe it does but is changed by being observed. Our concept of time might be like the concept of feet and inches. Feet and inches are merely a framework we use for our ease, but feet and inches do not exist anywhere in the universe independent of our usage, and we created them from whole cloth. Hours and minutes may be the same.
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I think looking at reality on a practical level and a theoretical level are (sadly) two different things. Yes in quantum physics we have super positioning and as stated above by observing something we change it.

But reality is not just physical............it is spiritual. In so far as: We are here, what are we going to do about it? So what should we do? INCREASE THE LOVE!!!!!!!
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I've never seen this vid before I linked it above, but the part where 'Joe' talks about a universe inside black hole is really strange. I came to this conclusion independently a long time ago.

To me, it’s to much of a coincidence that a universe should start from a singularity and objects within space that end in a singularity.
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Damn good question. Quantum physics has shown that reality is changed by the act of observing it. That leaves us wondering about everything we observe. Criminal defense lawyers use a similar argument all the time. Two observers means two interpretations of a single even.

Maybe time doesn't exist at all, maybe it does but is changed by being observed. Our concept of time might be like the concept of feet and inches. Feet and inches are merely a framework we use for our ease, but feet and inches do not exist anywhere in the universe independent of our usage, and we created them from whole cloth. Hours and minutes may be the same.
 Quoting: Lloyd Tackitt


I think looking at reality on a practical level and a theoretical level are (sadly) two different things. Yes in quantum physics we have super positioning and as stated above by observing something we change it.

But reality is not just physical............it is spiritual. In so far as: We are here, what are we going to do about it? So what should we do? INCREASE THE LOVE!!!!!!!
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20280907


I've never seen this vid before I linked it above, but the part where 'Joe' talks about a universe inside black hole is really strange. I came to this conclusion independently a long time ago.

To me, it’s to much of a coincidence that a universe should start from a singularity and objects within space that end in a singularity.
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If I'm right, looking for heat signatures in background radition for brane collisions is not going to pan out.
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I think looking at reality on a practical level and a theoretical level are (sadly) two different things. Yes in quantum physics we have super positioning and as stated above by observing something we change it.

But reality is not just physical............it is spiritual. In so far as: We are here, what are we going to do about it? So what should we do? INCREASE THE LOVE!!!!!!!
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20280907


I've never seen this vid before I linked it above, but the part where 'Joe' talks about a universe inside black hole is really strange. I came to this conclusion independently a long time ago.

To me, it’s to much of a coincidence that a universe should start from a singularity and objects within space that end in a singularity.
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If I'm right, looking for heat signatures in background radition for brane collisions is not going to pan out.
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Apologies OP, I digress….
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20280907


I've never seen this vid before I linked it above, but the part where 'Joe' talks about a universe inside black hole is really strange. I came to this conclusion independently a long time ago.

To me, it’s to much of a coincidence that a universe should start from a singularity and objects within space that end in a singularity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20280907


If I'm right, looking for heat signatures in background radition for brane collisions is not going to pan out.
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Apologies OP, I digress….
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I don't think it is possible to digress in this conversation, it's all connected. Excellent video by the way. It's always good to find someone with the same ideas, and able to express them better.

Our brains have limitations, extreme limitations. We are about as likely to truly understand our particular universe as an ant is likely to understand every piece of knowledge it takes to make a jumbo jet, and then fly it. The ant will never get there because of its brain's limitations.

If you consider sanity for example, you quickly bog down in a morass. What is sanity? Is it an unbiased observation and comprehension of life? If that's the case, we're all insane. And that, by the way, is the one theory that explains all the strangeness of the human race, explains all of the individual actions and beliefs contained within the human race. Could we all be insane? I'd say that's a high possibility. Perhaps at times we have moments of sanity, just enough glimpses of reality as it exists, to permit us to understand that we are insane the rest of the time. Or perhaps not...
Lloyd Tackitt

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