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The reason James Holmes looks drugged!

 
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The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
He is! Here's the skinny:
When he was being processed into the jail, they asked him, like all prisoners, if he has any substance abuse problems, or current addictions. He is DEFINATELY an opiate addict, and he surely told them this, because they are obligated to treat him by law.

The most common treatment for this is Suboxone, or Subutex (buperenorphine). When a doctor prescribes this, they ALWAYS set the dosage extremely high, much higher than needed. A person with a daily H habit can actually be set straight with a dose of .2mg of sub. However, doctors disregard this, and always prescribe AT LEAST a full 8mg per dose. This is what leads to the zombie-like state of nodding out, slurred speach, coordination problems, even drooling.

So, there really isn't anything mischevious going on, the jail is getting him broken of his addiction just like a doctor would, because they are obligated under the law.

Thank you.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
how do you know this for sure?
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
Jails let people sit in heroin withdrawals all the time.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
They wont just let you sit there in withdrawals if your habit is bad enough, and you request the medical assistance. They WILL give you subs. Trust me, been there, done that.

4 years opiate addict here, and i've been on subs plenty of times. On them now, even.
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They wont just let you sit there in withdrawals if your habit is bad enough, and you request the medical assistance. They WILL give you subs. Trust me, been there, done that.

4 years opiate addict here, and i've been on subs plenty of times. On them now, even.
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How many times did you get suboxen in jail?

I can cut your little theory short with a lot of personal experience I have.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
So basically he looks drugged cause he is drugged.
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They wont just let you sit there in withdrawals if your habit is bad enough, and you request the medical assistance. They WILL give you subs. Trust me, been there, done that.

4 years opiate addict here, and i've been on subs plenty of times. On them now, even.
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How many times did you get suboxen in jail?

I can cut your little theory short with a lot of personal experience I have.
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I have the experience too. Maybe it varies from state to state.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
The jail reported that they had given him NOTHING.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
The jail reported that they had given him NOTHING.
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hmmm.... perhaps he IS just going through withdrawals then.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
It's probably the effect of the "truth" drug, the one the police might have given him so he'll tell them about the booby traps in his place. That is probably how the cops got the info out of him.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
The jail reported that they had given him NOTHING.
 Quoting: TexasGirl


hmmm.... perhaps he IS just going through withdrawals then.
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Either way, he is incompetent and in NO mental state to be making any court appearances or ANY decisions or statements. Anyone with 2 eyes can see that.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
Well in New York and Florida if you go to jail and are withdrawling from opiates you're not even getting an ibuprofen.

You can't die from opiate withdrawals so you're not required treatment.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
The jail reported that they had given him NOTHING.
 Quoting: TexasGirl


hmmm.... perhaps he IS just going through withdrawals then.
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No withdrawing from opioid drugs is nothing like that...
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
as i said in another post not in colorado they will just toss you in a cell and if you are in ad seg or on suicide watch they will have a guard walk by once an hour but as far as any meds that have any potential for abuse not on your life you can order asprin off commissary at the arapaho jail but he hasnt been there long enough yet to get commissary but suboxen not a chance no way no how
source 8 calendars down in the Colorado system Arapaho county included
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If you are going to a methadone clinic they will continue your treatment, but not if your just an addict off the street.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
He is! Here's the skinny:
When he was being processed into the jail, they asked him, like all prisoners, if he has any substance abuse problems, or current addictions. He is DEFINATELY an opiate addict, and he surely told them this, because they are obligated to treat him by law.

The most common treatment for this is Suboxone, or Subutex (buperenorphine). When a doctor prescribes this, they ALWAYS set the dosage extremely high, much higher than needed. A person with a daily H habit can actually be set straight with a dose of .2mg of sub. However, doctors disregard this, and always prescribe AT LEAST a full 8mg per dose. This is what leads to the zombie-like state of nodding out, slurred speach, coordination problems, even drooling.

So, there really isn't anything mischevious going on, the jail is getting him broken of his addiction just like a doctor would, because they are obligated under the law.

Thank you.
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Makes the most sense from all I have read. Drug withdrawal will cause the sleepy, looking out of it effect.

The fact that he is now asking "why am I here" is another question all together.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
He is! Here's the skinny:
When he was being processed into the jail, they asked him, like all prisoners, if he has any substance abuse problems, or current addictions. He is DEFINATELY an opiate addict, and he surely told them this, because they are obligated to treat him by law.

The most common treatment for this is Suboxone, or Subutex (buperenorphine). When a doctor prescribes this, they ALWAYS set the dosage extremely high, much higher than needed. A person with a daily H habit can actually be set straight with a dose of .2mg of sub. However, doctors disregard this, and always prescribe AT LEAST a full 8mg per dose. This is what leads to the zombie-like state of nodding out, slurred speach, coordination problems, even drooling.

So, there really isn't anything mischevious going on, the jail is getting him broken of his addiction just like a doctor would, because they are obligated under the law.

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19497353


Makes the most sense from all I have read. Drug withdrawal will cause the sleepy, looking out of it effect.

The fact that he is now asking "why am I here" is another question all together.
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Oh here are two people never having anything to do with drugs just reading brainwashing magazines. Go to sleep again.. nothing here for you.
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07/28/2012 01:13 AM
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
James CIA Holmes is putting on a show
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
James CIA Holmes is putting on a show
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THIS^^
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
He is! Here's the skinny:
When he was being processed into the jail, they asked him, like all prisoners, if he has any substance abuse problems, or current addictions. He is DEFINATELY an opiate addict, and he surely told them this, because they are obligated to treat him by law.

The most common treatment for this is Suboxone, or Subutex (buperenorphine). When a doctor prescribes this, they ALWAYS set the dosage extremely high, much higher than needed. A person with a daily H habit can actually be set straight with a dose of .2mg of sub. However, doctors disregard this, and always prescribe AT LEAST a full 8mg per dose. This is what leads to the zombie-like state of nodding out, slurred speach, coordination problems, even drooling.

So, there really isn't anything mischevious going on, the jail is getting him broken of his addiction just like a doctor would, because they are obligated under the law.

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19497353


You are wrong on so many levels.


First of all, not everyone can come even CLOSE to being stabilized on .2mg of subs. I was on subs for a year, after a $300/day habit. For the first TWO WEEKS, 8mg wasn't even enough. My body was still going through utter HELL, and having been through every opiate there is so many times, I have tried various doses in the past.

For me, I needed 8mg DAILY for about 2 weeks, than I could lower to 6mg daily, and eventually 2mg daily. NOTHING less than 2mg daily would hold me, without me being extremely sick.


The ONLY thing you were right about, is that suboxone doses are OFTEN prescribed higher than needed.....but you weren't even right about that, because you said ALWAYS. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. Some docs/addiction specialists DO know what they are doing, and do it right.


Also, they already said, he wasn't put on ANY medication while in the jail.

I don't know what country/state you live in......but in Georgia, USA , when you go to jail, no matter HOW MUCH DOPE you are addicted to, how BAD it is......opiate withdrawal is almost NEVER life threatening, and therefore you NEVER get put on narcotics (sube is a narcotic as well, yet) while in Jail. They just DON'T do it.

You could be on 100mg of methadone, and you won't get ANYTHING while in jail but maybe bendryl and aleve. You will be put in a special part of the jail, for inmates who need medical attention, or on suicide watch.
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:elmometh:

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Yea, you are so cool bro, like totally. Because meth has SOMETHING to do with thread, right? I mean, you didn't just see the word DRUGS , and then post pictures about methamphetamine, RIGHT?

YOU ARE COOL.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
It's probably the effect of the "truth" drug, the one the police might have given him so he'll tell them about the booby traps in his place. That is probably how the cops got the info out of him.
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yep.

and he look so tired cuz cops interrogated him Gitmo style for three days
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
In close up shots his pupils look like dinner plates...
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Yea, you are so cool bro, like totally. Because meth has SOMETHING to do with thread, right? I mean, you didn't just see the word DRUGS , and then post pictures about methamphetamine, RIGHT?

YOU ARE COOL.
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you have created a big monster every day you will think about this brick of shit in the next 2 years because every media will inform you every day how mister joker are doing.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
All I can say is that he was DEFINITELY DRUGGED, and drugged a LOT, and he couldn't have faked his eyes.

I don't know drugged on what though...
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
All I can say is that he was DEFINITELY DRUGGED, and drugged a LOT, and he couldn't have faked his eyes.

I don't know drugged on what though...
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How you can definitely say he was druged? He is a son of shit why do you want hem look like a nice guy how was druged? I realy cant understand you about this. He is shit dont treated him like he was not aware what he is doing.
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Re: The reason James Holmes looks drugged!
All I can say is that he was DEFINITELY DRUGGED, and drugged a LOT, and he couldn't have faked his eyes.

I don't know drugged on what though...
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All I can say is that he was DEFINITELY DRUGGED, and drugged a LOT, and he couldn't have faked his eyes.

I don't know drugged on what though...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9014106


The jailer said "no medications"