Living offgrid for more than a decade, ask me a question

How did you start?

Any valuable tips? things that you learned as you did stuff.

Cool btw!

You cant. Our slave masters have been at it longer and have made non reliance a crime

I so hard!!

your not off grid if you have internet imo

Off grid huh?

Using the internet AUTOMATICALLY puts you on the grid, no matter what your source of energy is.

Secondly...any source of power is traceable even if they aren't charging you for it. Therefore, you ARE on the grid. Remember that I told you this...because one day, they'll attempt to come looking for you.

I think it's very brave to live the way you do. I would like to live like that one day, but here in Europe the rules are much more strict and the prices of land much higher.

Have you ever considered building an earthship?

is this a serious question? LOL.... Just dig a hole, build a small wood closet on it and there you go.... when it's full cover it and dig another hole.. you get no smell also! DUH!

We had a documentary here about people living like that here in Hungary... it's perfectly possible. Although I don't think it's a good idea, unless nobody knows your exact location. Cause in a SHTF situation you can easily be targeted with no one to help you but yourself.

I think to not rely on tap water, gas, electricity, having your own garden and animals will suffice.. of course assuming you're in the countryside. Cause in a city you're screwed either way.

P.S. To all cretins with idiotic comments and questions: GO BURY YOURSELVES!!!

what state you live in? Id like to check it out.

I don't know, populated areas like the UK are hard. My suggestion is to move to a less populated area.

Now, they were born at a hospital.

We have a local clinic, 2 miles from our house.

I considered an earthship until I tested out filling ad pounding the tires. Then, I switched to less labor intensive techniques.

Take a look at our Getting Started info, and that will put you ahead of how we started by a long shot.

[link to www.velacreations.com]

We started by buying an old bus and retrofitting it with solar panels and a kitchen. It worked ok, but was not ideal.

hey dunghole.... I posted information free to the public based on www.whois.com ownership of your site, just proving you're not off the grid from there I posted your base location as well as your unlisted telephone number; I found all in under 10 seconds. You removed my post, must be afraid of something. Silly boy. You don't piss me off, just know that people like you, think you know, when it comes down to sustainability, you're on the right track but a long ways off.

I don't know what you are talking about, I haven't removed any posts, I don't even think I can.

I know that we are a ways from being completely sustainable, but we're not that far off.

The point of this thread was not to argue about the definition of "off-grid", but to illustrate how we live and why we live this way. We have tried to help people with our information to help others become more sustainable, and we get emails every day from folks who have found our information useful or inspiring.

That is enough of a reward for me.

We're off-grid, but not hiding.

Living off the grid, and being completely undetectable are two vastly different things.

I think most people's idea of living off the grid is to live free of any governmental or corporate utilities or other costly infrastructure. It's an independent lifestyle.

For some, that may also include eschewing the banking system, welfare, social security, unemployment insurance, institutional loans, etc.

Living undetectable is even harder than living off the grid. How do you have an address when the census bureau has GPS coordinates of your front door? You can't really hide if you have a 911-listed address. Do you have a mortgage or land title? There are things you can do to enhance your privacy though.

You are right that your electronics will give you away, but so will your body heat when armed Predator drones are flying surveillance patterns over rural Amerika looking for "t3rr0r|sts", "m3th labs", "water and agriculture cheats", and "cattle rustlers."

I've never seen any evidence the embedded security bands inside the FRNs are scannable/traceable. Do you have any evidence?

What's an "aqua-duct well"? I didn't see anything on USGS about them.

Living off-grid is hard, but living off-grid invisibly is so much harder.

Most cuts don't require stitches, they are used mainly for keeping a cleaned wound from getting dirty again, and to minimize scarring.

If you keep most wounds clean, and use butterfly closures to keep them moderately closed, you will be just fine, in most cases. However, unless you are medically trained, you really need to consult qualified medical persons for their opinion before you decide to not get stitches. The biggest problem is avoiding infection.

What do you mean?

A person can borrow temporary grid access without being officially plugged into the grid.

A person can also use anonymous power too.

Trace-ability is a relative term.

Nice work guys... we're slowly heading in the same direction in the Canadian wilderness. Thanks for posting - some great ideas there.
Ignore all the bullsh*t from the negative posts. Completely ignorant, malnourished, brainwashed people listening to the wrong messages, the wrong ideas and the wrong people.

thanks for your support!

It sounds to me that alot of people on here are jealous of the way this family live. Your attacks on this family are incredible and just show how retarded you are. Who cares how they live you can be off the grid and have power and go on the internet. You wish you had their life.

where are you at op?

seems like i have seen the velacreations thing before