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so his dad is the author of the most advanced anti-banker fraud software on earth--bears no investigation whatsoever? also hits hot gun control debate in very timely fashion. why wouldn't you kill 2 birds with one stone? - shit fire and save matches!
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Oops

Thought I clicked 5 star and after hitting button saw I voted "reasonable" instead! LOL

Excellent analysis SHR!!! Great insight... now how do you figure the brainwashed MKultra angle into all of this?

Seems to me these kind of kids become vulnerable to be used for one agenda or another.
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I don't know that this sort of thing is that finely directed.

I absolutely believe that any crisis, tragedy, horrific event etc etc can and always will be used to progress any political agenda that can use it...."Never let a good crisis go to waste" that much is 110% true...but I'm more of a subscriber to the reasoning that most of govt is not at all at the level of diabolical genius that many people attribute to them....they are far more REactive than PROactive...reaction, use, exploitation, THAT they are pretty good at...but actually say using an MKULTRA type drug to create a programed and finely tuned indvidual to carry out their bidding?...they are just as likely to fuck that up and find some poor sap naked pouring potato soup over himself than having an MKULTRA mission impossible dude start a coup by going undercover in Ireland.

Are things possible?...sure almost anything is...but is it probable?...not near as likely...TPTB can find things to exploit a whole lot easier and infinately more "cleaner" than they can create themselves, in fact virtually at will, they have a large catalog of events that happen frequently enough that they can just decide to use their media arm to ratchet up...so there is a risk assesment vs reward equation there that in most cases will not add up.
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I absolutely agree! ...I merely used the "MKUltra" term as one that is commonly thrown around. Was not specifically referencing.

I do not think this was a directed event on the down to earth level but rather perhaps one of remote influence...

With perhaps a little real world "guidance" involved?

A lot of very suspicious uncanny links and buried meanings surrounding this whole thing that it just screams of something bigger.
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or shall we lap up another 'official version' immediately with no questions, and quickly construct a right wing morality play from the tragedy?
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The truth will come out eventually...as I believe yours just did...so you think:

The shooter wasn't the shooter.
It never happened.
All the people who were interviewed as witnesses were actors.

Or some combination of the above because there's no way the typical college twat could go off and kill people because he couldn't deal with life and flamed out....

We "get it" dood...we really do...
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UFO's

Conspiracy Theorists

Lunatic Fringe

just sayin

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let's just immediately latch on to the official version of this bizarre tragedy where no face was ever seen and immediately morph it into a right wing morality play! cause our govt. never lies or carries out elaborate psy-ops, right?
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so his dad is the author of the most advanced anti-banker fraud software on earth--bears no investigation whatsoever? also hits hot gun control debate in very timely fashion. why wouldn't you kill 2 birds with one stone? - shit fire and save matches!
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What "antibanker" software would that be?
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let's just immediately latch on to the official version of this bizarre tragedy where no face was ever seen and immediately morph it into a right wing morality play! cause our govt. never lies or carries out elaborate psy-ops, right?
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Or...just make up a bunch of wild bullshit stories because you don't like the implications regarding the academic institutional machine...

skeedaddle kid...go play OWS or sumthin...
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Younguns need An online presence to air their shit.

As they grow older they need to feel the msm is in support of their concerns. Mass data mining. It's only been 20 years since the interweb game came to town. Imagine what it is gonna be like in another 20.

Look for the term "wetware" to go mainstream.
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tl;dr school sucks
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Oops

Thought I clicked 5 star and after hitting button saw I voted "reasonable" instead! LOL

Excellent analysis SHR!!! Great insight... now how do you figure the brainwashed MKultra angle into all of this?

Seems to me these kind of kids become vulnerable to be used for one agenda or another.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8443185


I don't know that this sort of thing is that finely directed.

I absolutely believe that any crisis, tragedy, horrific event etc etc can and always will be used to progress any political agenda that can use it...."Never let a good crisis go to waste" that much is 110% true...but I'm more of a subscriber to the reasoning that most of govt is not at all at the level of diabolical genius that many people attribute to them....they are far more REactive than PROactive...reaction, use, exploitation, THAT they are pretty good at...but actually say using an MKULTRA type drug to create a programed and finely tuned indvidual to carry out their bidding?...they are just as likely to fuck that up and find some poor sap naked pouring potato soup over himself than having an MKULTRA mission impossible dude start a coup by going undercover in Ireland.

Are things possible?...sure almost anything is...but is it probable?...not near as likely...TPTB can find things to exploit a whole lot easier and infinately more "cleaner" than they can create themselves, in fact virtually at will, they have a large catalog of events that happen frequently enough that they can just decide to use their media arm to ratchet up...so there is a risk assesment vs reward equation there that in most cases will not add up.
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I absolutely agree! ...I merely used the "MKUltra" term as one that is commonly thrown around. Was not specifically referencing.

I do not think this was a directed event on the down to earth level but rather perhaps one of remote influence...

With perhaps a little real world "guidance" involved?

A lot of very suspicious uncanny links and buried meanings surrounding this whole thing that it just screams of something bigger.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8443185


Could be....there was something influencing this kid, that's for sure in any case...

Maybe we'll get to read his "notebook" which was sent...if it's to be believed by the time we see it, if we do...could be more insight contained in that than anywhere else.

I don't know how much I would believe what is going to come from him now that he's been caught...he is smart enough, maybe not a super genus, but he does have knowledge in the psych field and he may very well "fuck with" peoples heads...who knows what he'll have to say going forward or how true any of it will be.
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One from '91....earily similar with the letters to holmes and his own "journal"...seems both went into details of the killings which were about to happen....and months of planning...

>>>>>

University of Iowa shooting 1991


The University of Iowa shooting took place at the University of Iowa in Iowa City, Iowa on November 1, 1991. The gunman was Gang Lu, a 28-year-old former graduate student at the university. He killed four members of the university faculty and one student, and seriously wounded another student, before committing suicide.


Perpetrator and motives
Gang Lu The perpetrator of the shooting was 28-year-old a former graduate student at the University of Iowa. Lu was a physics and astronomy student who had received his doctoral degree from the university in May 1991. (His dissertation was titled, Study of the "Critical Ionization Velocity" Effect by Particle-in-Cell Simulation.) He was still living in Iowa City after graduating.

As a graduate student Gang Lu was primarily a loner who was perceived by at least one other graduate student to have deep psychological problems. In the months prior to the shooting, Lu wrote five letters explaining the reasons for his planned actions. According to university officials, four of the letters were in English and were intended to be mailed to news organizations. One letter was written in Chinese. The letters have never been released to the public.

Lu was infuriated because his dissertation did not receive the prestigious D.C. Spriestersbach Dissertation Prize. This prize included a monetary award of $2,500. Gang Lu believed that winning the prize would have made it easier for him to get hired as a professor.

Lu was unable to find work because of the recession. Normally, in this instance, the physics and astronomy department would have given Lu a temporary postdoctoral fellowship. Unfortunately, there was not enough money to support him.

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Similar to the Cho case, who did send materials to news outlets.

It's interesting because this was an instance where the shooter made it extremely apparent that he was directly lashing out at the school system.
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All of these people, with the exception of Cho, were overwhelming successes by the normal standards of the school system. Until at least university, the school system was irrelevant because they were just marking time, acing their exams without studying and not really paying much attention either. They were gifted students, and they would not have been in a vocational or other track in any case.

I don't think the school system is the place to look for their dysfunction, because they barely even noticed the K-12 school system.
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so his dad is the author of the most advanced anti-banker fraud software on earth--bears no investigation whatsoever? also hits hot gun control debate in very timely fashion. why wouldn't you kill 2 birds with one stone? - shit fire and save matches!
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What "antibanker" software would that be?
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[link to www.dailypaul.com]
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so his dad is the author of the most advanced anti-banker fraud software on earth--bears no investigation whatsoever? also hits hot gun control debate in very timely fashion. why wouldn't you kill 2 birds with one stone? - shit fire and save matches!
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What "antibanker" software would that be?
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excellent question, op. let's locate that info.
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Oops

Thought I clicked 5 star and after hitting button saw I voted "reasonable" instead! LOL

Excellent analysis SHR!!! Great insight... now how do you figure the brainwashed MKultra angle into all of this?

Seems to me these kind of kids become vulnerable to be used for one agenda or another.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8443185


I don't know that this sort of thing is that finely directed.

I absolutely believe that any crisis, tragedy, horrific event etc etc can and always will be used to progress any political agenda that can use it...."Never let a good crisis go to waste" that much is 110% true...but I'm more of a subscriber to the reasoning that most of govt is not at all at the level of diabolical genius that many people attribute to them....they are far more REactive than PROactive...reaction, use, exploitation, THAT they are pretty good at...but actually say using an MKULTRA type drug to create a programed and finely tuned indvidual to carry out their bidding?...they are just as likely to fuck that up and find some poor sap naked pouring potato soup over himself than having an MKULTRA mission impossible dude start a coup by going undercover in Ireland.

Are things possible?...sure almost anything is...but is it probable?...not near as likely...TPTB can find things to exploit a whole lot easier and infinately more "cleaner" than they can create themselves, in fact virtually at will, they have a large catalog of events that happen frequently enough that they can just decide to use their media arm to ratchet up...so there is a risk assesment vs reward equation there that in most cases will not add up.
 Quoting: SHR


I absolutely agree! ...I merely used the "MKUltra" term as one that is commonly thrown around. Was not specifically referencing.

I do not think this was a directed event on the down to earth level but rather perhaps one of remote influence...

With perhaps a little real world "guidance" involved?

A lot of very suspicious uncanny links and buried meanings surrounding this whole thing that it just screams of something bigger.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8443185


Could be....there was something influencing this kid, that's for sure in any case...

Maybe we'll get to read his "notebook" which was sent...if it's to be believed by the time we see it, if we do...could be more insight contained in that than anywhere else.

I don't know how much I would believe what is going to come from him now that he's been caught...he is smart enough, maybe not a super genus, but he does have knowledge in the psych field and he may very well "fuck with" peoples heads...who knows what he'll have to say going forward or how true any of it will be.
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Could be he has alter if his "amnesia" is to be believed?

Sending a notebook detailing plans drawn/written by oneself as while not themselves to arrive after the fact seems like something an alter would do...
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Oops

Thought I clicked 5 star and after hitting button saw I voted "reasonable" instead! LOL

Excellent analysis SHR!!! Great insight... now how do you figure the brainwashed MKultra angle into all of this?

Seems to me these kind of kids become vulnerable to be used for one agenda or another.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8443185


I don't know that this sort of thing is that finely directed.

I absolutely believe that any crisis, tragedy, horrific event etc etc can and always will be used to progress any political agenda that can use it...."Never let a good crisis go to waste" that much is 110% true...but I'm more of a subscriber to the reasoning that most of govt is not at all at the level of diabolical genius that many people attribute to them....they are far more REactive than PROactive...reaction, use, exploitation, THAT they are pretty good at...but actually say using an MKULTRA type drug to create a programed and finely tuned indvidual to carry out their bidding?...they are just as likely to fuck that up and find some poor sap naked pouring potato soup over himself than having an MKULTRA mission impossible dude start a coup by going undercover in Ireland.

Are things possible?...sure almost anything is...but is it probable?...not near as likely...TPTB can find things to exploit a whole lot easier and infinately more "cleaner" than they can create themselves, in fact virtually at will, they have a large catalog of events that happen frequently enough that they can just decide to use their media arm to ratchet up...so there is a risk assesment vs reward equation there that in most cases will not add up.
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I absolutely agree! ...I merely used the "MKUltra" term as one that is commonly thrown around. Was not specifically referencing.

I do not think this was a directed event on the down to earth level but rather perhaps one of remote influence...

With perhaps a little real world "guidance" involved?

A lot of very suspicious uncanny links and buried meanings surrounding this whole thing that it just screams of something bigger.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8443185


Could be....there was something influencing this kid, that's for sure in any case...

Maybe we'll get to read his "notebook" which was sent...if it's to be believed by the time we see it, if we do...could be more insight contained in that than anywhere else.

I don't know how much I would believe what is going to come from him now that he's been caught...he is smart enough, maybe not a super genus, but he does have knowledge in the psych field and he may very well "fuck with" peoples heads...who knows what he'll have to say going forward or how true any of it will be.
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o, judge, you've already convicted the faceless killer, huh?

getting info--in meantime, this is really worth your while if you care about the truth of what has happened and is happening in an ever more sophisticated fashion:

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OP, you might be nuts but you make a heck of a lot of sense too.

Also...
Now?...vocational schools at the secondary levels of school, High school, are virtually non existant. Before you say "well everything is made in China now, so of course there aren't vo-tech schools anymore" you cannot send trades like electricians, Carpenters, Plumbers, HVAC techs etc etc to frikkin China. There are many more trades aside from building trades which also cannot be outsourced.
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I could not agree more. For instance, I don't plan on hopping on a plane to China to get my hair and nails done.

We gotta bring back Vo-Ag schools and we really need to bring more services (phone tech assistance) and goods/industry back to our own country. This has been echoed for years, but people didn't listen because everyone had to have a luxury car, granite counters in the kitchen, blah blah blah.

It's time to get back to basics and just get people employed. But part of that is being willing to ease up on the luxury lifestyle and invest in our nation's educational system and infrastructure. But, and I might add as an unusual educator in this sense, not without making the educational system more accountable. Example: I am a teacher and I applaud the idea of making my pay connect to my achievement/reviews as a teacher. I think administrators and curriculum development people should also face very stringent reviews and standards.

Your post speaks to so many more issues than the shooter. I hope this is a conversation more of us will on a daily basis--with those in power (our municipal/state reps and governing "bodies").

thanks for posting.
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Wow, I'm still reading...and taking my time because, OP, I have to say that this is probably THE BEST POST I'VE EVER READ ON GLP.

Thanks for saying all this, it's been said in other ways before but THIS is well said.
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so his dad is the author of the most advanced anti-banker fraud software on earth--bears no investigation whatsoever? also hits hot gun control debate in very timely fashion. why wouldn't you kill 2 birds with one stone? - shit fire and save matches!
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What "antibanker" software would that be?
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[link to www.dailypaul.com]
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That whole "article" reads like it was written by a mental paitient..."lucifarian elites" included...lol...

Yes his father worked for FICO the credit score company. He was a computer coder that wrote creditcard fruad detecting software models. Whether he was really going to or still will be testifying in that LIBOR investigation I don't really know, but I would doubt it, those sort of hearings mostly have VP types show up if they want to have a company rep testifying. Even if he were and now couldn't, they'd just have another software engineer do it.

No where else does any near credible site have anything about him testifying and as I said above...the original article sounds like it was written by a mental paitient and has several other way over the top glaring and frantic clumps of bullshit in it.

Here's his work bio on linkedin.

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so his dad is the author of the most advanced anti-banker fraud software on earth--bears no investigation whatsoever? also hits hot gun control debate in very timely fashion. why wouldn't you kill 2 birds with one stone? - shit fire and save matches!
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What "antibanker" software would that be?
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excellent question, op. let's locate that info.
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Well you're the one who said it kid, don't you know?
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so his dad is the author of the most advanced anti-banker fraud software on earth--bears no investigation whatsoever? also hits hot gun control debate in very timely fashion. why wouldn't you kill 2 birds with one stone? - shit fire and save matches!
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What "antibanker" software would that be?
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[link to www.dailypaul.com]
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That whole "article" reads like it was written by a mental paitient..."lucifarian elites" included...lol...

Yes his father worked for FICO the credit score company. He was a computer coder that wrote creditcard fruad detecting software models. Whether he was really going to or still will be testifying in that LIBOR investigation I don't really know, but I would doubt it, those sort of hearings mostly have VP types show up if they want to have a company rep testifying. Even if he were and now couldn't, they'd just have another software engineer do it.

No where else does any near credible site have anything about him testifying and as I said above...the original article sounds like it was written by a mental paitient and has several other way over the top glaring and frantic clumps of bullshit in it.

Here's his work bio on linkedin.

[link to www.linkedin.com]
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yeah I dont know

just figured Id put the article in, since it was mentioned.

im kinda over conspiracies myself

to be honest.

after years of bitchin about shit, i really dont see any value.
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One from '91....earily similar with the letters to holmes and his own "journal"...seems both went into details of the killings which were about to happen....and months of planning...

>>>>>

University of Iowa shooting 1991


The University of Iowa shooting took place at the University of Iowa in Iowa City, Iowa on November 1, 1991. The gunman was Gang Lu, a 28-year-old former graduate student at the university. He killed four members of the university faculty and one student, and seriously wounded another student, before committing suicide.


Perpetrator and motives
Gang Lu The perpetrator of the shooting was 28-year-old a former graduate student at the University of Iowa. Lu was a physics and astronomy student who had received his doctoral degree from the university in May 1991. (His dissertation was titled, Study of the "Critical Ionization Velocity" Effect by Particle-in-Cell Simulation.) He was still living in Iowa City after graduating.

As a graduate student Gang Lu was primarily a loner who was perceived by at least one other graduate student to have deep psychological problems. In the months prior to the shooting, Lu wrote five letters explaining the reasons for his planned actions. According to university officials, four of the letters were in English and were intended to be mailed to news organizations. One letter was written in Chinese. The letters have never been released to the public.

Lu was infuriated because his dissertation did not receive the prestigious D.C. Spriestersbach Dissertation Prize. This prize included a monetary award of $2,500. Gang Lu believed that winning the prize would have made it easier for him to get hired as a professor.

Lu was unable to find work because of the recession. Normally, in this instance, the physics and astronomy department would have given Lu a temporary postdoctoral fellowship. Unfortunately, there was not enough money to support him.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Similar to the Cho case, who did send materials to news outlets.

It's interesting because this was an instance where the shooter made it extremely apparent that he was directly lashing out at the school system.
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All of these people, with the exception of Cho, were overwhelming successes by the normal standards of the school system. Until at least university, the school system was irrelevant because they were just marking time, acing their exams without studying and not really paying much attention either. They were gifted students, and they would not have been in a vocational or other track in any case.

I don't think the school system is the place to look for their dysfunction, because they barely even noticed the K-12 school system.
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I believe that poster was referring to the university when he said "school system".
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let's just immediately latch on to the official version of this bizarre tragedy where no face was ever seen and immediately morph it into a right wing morality play! cause our govt. never lies or carries out elaborate psy-ops, right?
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Or...just make up a bunch of wild bullshit stories because you don't like the implications regarding the academic institutional machine...

skeedaddle kid...go play OWS or sumthin...
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wow, you would dismiss me a little prematurely - i'm not making up anything. but in your rush to judgement to construct your little right wing morality play, you haven't done your homework - don't begin to know your facts, hence doubt my documented ones:

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Thought-provoking read. Makes me feel better about the tuition we're paying for my kid to attend a small, private, old-fashioned school. I'm hoping it makes a difference!
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Wetware technology motherfuckers. Don't ignore it. Maybe to draw attention to it i should call SHR a wordy douche that almost hit the mark.

But that is not my style.
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OP, you might be nuts but you make a heck of a lot of sense too.

Also...
Now?...vocational schools at the secondary levels of school, High school, are virtually non existant. Before you say "well everything is made in China now, so of course there aren't vo-tech schools anymore" you cannot send trades like electricians, Carpenters, Plumbers, HVAC techs etc etc to frikkin China. There are many more trades aside from building trades which also cannot be outsourced.
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I could not agree more. For instance, I don't plan on hopping on a plane to China to get my hair and nails done.

We gotta bring back Vo-Ag schools and we really need to bring more services (phone tech assistance) and goods/industry back to our own country. This has been echoed for years, but people didn't listen because everyone had to have a luxury car, granite counters in the kitchen, blah blah blah.

It's time to get back to basics and just get people employed. But part of that is being willing to ease up on the luxury lifestyle and invest in our nation's educational system and infrastructure. But, and I might add as an unusual educator in this sense, not without making the educational system more accountable. Example: I am a teacher and I applaud the idea of making my pay connect to my achievement/reviews as a teacher. I think administrators and curriculum development people should also face very stringent reviews and standards.

Your post speaks to so many more issues than the shooter. I hope this is a conversation more of us will on a daily basis--with those in power (our municipal/state reps and governing "bodies").

thanks for posting.
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My wife is a teacher, we could go on and on about merit pay based systems and how those can also be easily manipulated...as just recently happened in Florida...it seems to me that the more central command tries to work things?...the more things get screwed up...

I will also throw yet another means of pressure out there since you mentioned AG schools...Aren't we now looking at certain ag activities such as operating tractors and equiptment becoming age restricted?...How many young people out there in farmland learned to drive a tractor and helped out with the family farm at a very young age?...that is going to be legislated away...if it hasn't already.
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Thought-provoking read. Makes me feel better about the tuition we're paying for my kid to attend a small, private, old-fashioned school. I'm hoping it makes a difference!
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the only thing I can say about school

is you cant get enough of it, if you want to succeed now days.

But the key is to make sure you kid gets focused early on a skill.

Doctor, lawyer, accountant, engineer,etc.

some skill set that they always have.
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Oops

Thought I clicked 5 star and after hitting button saw I voted "reasonable" instead! LOL

Excellent analysis SHR!!! Great insight... now how do you figure the brainwashed MKultra angle into all of this?

Seems to me these kind of kids become vulnerable to be used for one agenda or another.
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I don't know that this sort of thing is that finely directed.

I absolutely believe that any crisis, tragedy, horrific event etc etc can and always will be used to progress any political agenda that can use it...."Never let a good crisis go to waste" that much is 110% true...but I'm more of a subscriber to the reasoning that most of govt is not at all at the level of diabolical genius that many people attribute to them....they are far more REactive than PROactive...reaction, use, exploitation, THAT they are pretty good at...but actually say using an MKULTRA type drug to create a programed and finely tuned indvidual to carry out their bidding?...they are just as likely to fuck that up and find some poor sap naked pouring potato soup over himself than having an MKULTRA mission impossible dude start a coup by going undercover in Ireland.

Are things possible?...sure almost anything is...but is it probable?...not near as likely...TPTB can find things to exploit a whole lot easier and infinately more "cleaner" than they can create themselves, in fact virtually at will, they have a large catalog of events that happen frequently enough that they can just decide to use their media arm to ratchet up...so there is a risk assesment vs reward equation there that in most cases will not add up.
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I absolutely agree! ...I merely used the "MKUltra" term as one that is commonly thrown around. Was not specifically referencing.

I do not think this was a directed event on the down to earth level but rather perhaps one of remote influence...

With perhaps a little real world "guidance" involved?

A lot of very suspicious uncanny links and buried meanings surrounding this whole thing that it just screams of something bigger.
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Could be....there was something influencing this kid, that's for sure in any case...

Maybe we'll get to read his "notebook" which was sent...if it's to be believed by the time we see it, if we do...could be more insight contained in that than anywhere else.

I don't know how much I would believe what is going to come from him now that he's been caught...he is smart enough, maybe not a super genus, but he does have knowledge in the psych field and he may very well "fuck with" peoples heads...who knows what he'll have to say going forward or how true any of it will be.
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oh, there's a little crack in your armor - as if to admit you are far from having this bizarre masked thing figured out so early (if ever). and, really, i'm not condemning your intellectual effort; it's not written in stone, so 'e' for effort!
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so his dad is the author of the most advanced anti-banker fraud software on earth--bears no investigation whatsoever? also hits hot gun control debate in very timely fashion. why wouldn't you kill 2 birds with one stone? - shit fire and save matches!
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What "antibanker" software would that be?
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[link to www.dailypaul.com]
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thank you as well. i hadn't seen that particular report.
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One from '91....earily similar with the letters to holmes and his own "journal"...seems both went into details of the killings which were about to happen....and months of planning...

>>>>>

University of Iowa shooting 1991


The University of Iowa shooting took place at the University of Iowa in Iowa City, Iowa on November 1, 1991. The gunman was Gang Lu, a 28-year-old former graduate student at the university. He killed four members of the university faculty and one student, and seriously wounded another student, before committing suicide.


Perpetrator and motives
Gang Lu The perpetrator of the shooting was 28-year-old a former graduate student at the University of Iowa. Lu was a physics and astronomy student who had received his doctoral degree from the university in May 1991. (His dissertation was titled, Study of the "Critical Ionization Velocity" Effect by Particle-in-Cell Simulation.) He was still living in Iowa City after graduating.

As a graduate student Gang Lu was primarily a loner who was perceived by at least one other graduate student to have deep psychological problems. In the months prior to the shooting, Lu wrote five letters explaining the reasons for his planned actions. According to university officials, four of the letters were in English and were intended to be mailed to news organizations. One letter was written in Chinese. The letters have never been released to the public.

Lu was infuriated because his dissertation did not receive the prestigious D.C. Spriestersbach Dissertation Prize. This prize included a monetary award of $2,500. Gang Lu believed that winning the prize would have made it easier for him to get hired as a professor.

Lu was unable to find work because of the recession. Normally, in this instance, the physics and astronomy department would have given Lu a temporary postdoctoral fellowship. Unfortunately, there was not enough money to support him.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Similar to the Cho case, who did send materials to news outlets.

It's interesting because this was an instance where the shooter made it extremely apparent that he was directly lashing out at the school system.
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All of these people, with the exception of Cho, were overwhelming successes by the normal standards of the school system. Until at least university, the school system was irrelevant because they were just marking time, acing their exams without studying and not really paying much attention either. They were gifted students, and they would not have been in a vocational or other track in any case.

I don't think the school system is the place to look for their dysfunction, because they barely even noticed the K-12 school system.
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I believe that poster was referring to the university when he said "school system".
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But what were you referring to? We have a rash of violent incidents tied to people who had issues with grad school. (Lu, Holmes, Kaczynski.) They cracked when their academic careers failed -- well we don't know what was in Lu's mind or his letters.

Do we have a rash of people like Cho who may have indeed been ill-served by the K-12 system?

I'm not so sure Holmes did this latest though, the failed grad student story is just one that the public would believe.
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let's just immediately latch on to the official version of this bizarre tragedy where no face was ever seen and immediately morph it into a right wing morality play! cause our govt. never lies or carries out elaborate psy-ops, right?
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Or...just make up a bunch of wild bullshit stories because you don't like the implications regarding the academic institutional machine...

skeedaddle kid...go play OWS or sumthin...
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wow, you would dismiss me a little prematurely - i'm not making up anything. but in your rush to judgement to construct your little right wing morality play, you haven't done your homework - don't begin to know your facts, hence doubt my documented ones:

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Read my post containing the linkedin ref about 7 posts up homework boy...still waiting for your mythical anti-banker software...but I do find your frothing reaction to the whole "rightwing" conspiracy fairly ammusing, as well as predictable.
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