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The main reason why The Netherlands has 5 times less obese people than the U.S.

 
Bluebird

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My daughter-in-law is Dutch and she has failed the English certification at the university here three times. She did THINK she could speak English, however.
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I didn't say every Dutch kid can talk university level English, just fluent, streetwise and standard business conversations.

Hopefully you appreciate the fact she speaks at least 3 other foreign languages ;)
 Quoting: Dutch Dude 913721


Lol, no she doesn't. But she is cute as a bug! And we love her anyway.
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Not only the Netherlands. When I went to South America a couple of years ago the people (even the really poor ones) were in much better shape then the Americans I see.

The older people didn't have 50 pill bottles in front of them, they didn't eat a lot of processed foods and most don't have a car so they have to walk.

In general, happier people. Juts an observation but a striking one. You can't even go to the store without there being a line of those damn scooters because people have let themselves go to the point where they can't walk. I am not talking about the disabled either..I am talking about young people who are so fat they can't waddle around the store or choose not to because they are lazy.

It's a sad state of affairs.
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True... you could almost say... anywhere is better than the U.S.

Even African countries are now "developing countries" instead of "third world".

African Union will become the next big union.

Anyway, you are all very welcome to Europe, emigration is just a step too far for most, because of family attachments, jobs, wifes, chauvinism, but at least start traveling abroad to get a glimpse of the real world outside the Big Dream.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say, even almost say, that anywhere is better than the U.S. I will say some places have better systems in some pretty major areas. You hit the nail on the head though. No matter the faults of where we live for most of us "home" will always be where our family and friends are. We Americans need to get some control on things because we are literally destroying our home. You are also right that everyone needs to travel more. Americans need to go to other countries and continents to see other points of view and ways of living. There are also people that need to come and visit here to gain some perspective on us. All of us aren't fat or uneducated or untraveled. One thing I have learned during my travels is what gets broadcast about one country to another are the extremes both good and bad.
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That was so cool to see all the bike riders. Also was that in a city as there didnt seem to be alot of traffic and its seems very considerate to bike riders. Makes for a very healthy population.
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I question the 5 time figure and would like to see a source for that because the recent things I have read on obesity show the U.S. at something like 28% and the UK right behind it at 25% or close to that.

Also Europeans seem to totally fail to appreciate the fact that we, too, have enclaves and small segments of society where obesity is fairly rare. Often these are based on ethnicity. For example I haven't seen many fat Amish people.

Also there is a huge cultural diversity in this country comparable to that in Europe. The language is the same but the way of life say in New Orleans is far different from Bangor Maine.

You can't drive a couple of hours and be in a different country from most points in this country the way you can in the EU.

And my son did come home with a Dutch bride so we do travel more than Europeans seem to think.
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Bit outdate, but still a nice impression of Holland :

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That was so cool to see all the bike riders. Also was that in a city as there didnt seem to be alot of traffic and its seems very considerate to bike riders. Makes for a very healthy population.
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That was in Amsterdam... the capital
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[link to apps.who.int]


More like 3 times than 5.

While that's still too much for sure, let's not make it worse than it is.

Last Edited by Bluebird on 07/28/2012 03:23 AM
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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I wouldn't go so far as to say, even almost say, that anywhere is better than the U.S. I will say some places have better systems in some pretty major areas. You hit the nail on the head though. No matter the faults of where we live for most of us "home" will always be where our family and friends are. We Americans need to get some control on things because we are literally destroying our home. You are also right that everyone needs to travel more. Americans need to go to other countries and continents to see other points of view and ways of living. There are also people that need to come and visit here to gain some perspective on us. All of us aren't fat or uneducated or untraveled. One thing I have learned during my travels is what gets broadcast about one country to another are the extremes both good and bad.
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I guess you haven't traveled much. Trying going to the Middle East or Africa some time. The stench of some of the poorly sanitized slums are overwhelming.

In fact if it weren't for the violence, I'd say our poor 'disenfranchised' unemployed black and latino's have it better than 95% of the world's population.

As for europe they have chosen death by islamicide. I am already mourning for our european brethren and the few genuine christians left on that continent.
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Here's a slideshow with the percentage of obese shown at the bottom. Note these are only western nations and does not include Samoa which has the highest rate in the world. And only the top 10 nations.


[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

The percentages of obese are just not that far apart.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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And you only out live us on average by 1 year....
I guess y'all need to pedal a little faster :)
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More like 3 times than 5.
 Quoting: Bluebird

Nope, it's not that simple.

Netherlands is 9.7 % of inhabitants, US is 37.8 %

You cannot simply divide one with the other.
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And you only out live us on average by 1 year....
I guess y'all need to pedal a little faster :)
 Quoting: maskedchicken

You're not very smart, huh ?

It's about quality of life.

On average, the last 15 to 25 years of Americans are filled with sickness, all kinds of medicines, IMMOBILITY and accompanying depression.

Compare that too our happy grannies, still biking around at 80, it's not a fable, it's all around.
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All above 80 :

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Ironically, Fluoridated Americans are 5 times as intelligent as an average Nethertard..
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Really ?

Look here :
Thread: Average IQ of countries :

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 Quoting: Dutch Dude 913721


I don't trust commie-generated stats.

I'm going by what I've seen on GLP.
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I don't trust commie-generated stats.

I'm going by what I've seen on GLP.
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Good.
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And I forgot the beer.

Which (like the milk) does not contain fluoride.
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Yup... I knew it.
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More like 3 times than 5.
 Quoting: Bluebird

Nope, it's not that simple.

Netherlands is 9.7 % of inhabitants, US is 37.8 %

You cannot simply divide one with the other.
 Quoting: Dutch Dude 913721


There are only 16 million of you! Trust me, there are also 16 million thin people here in the U.S.!

And we all think our own culture is the best--this is natural.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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There are only a few nationalities I dislike more than Dutch
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Ironically, Fluoridated Americans are 5 times as intelligent as an average Nethertard..
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Really ?

Look here :
Thread: Average IQ of countries :

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 Quoting: Dutch Dude 913721


I don't trust commie-generated stats.

I'm going by what I've seen on GLP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20687024


Here's another source. They all say pretty much the same thing. But this one shows overweight as well as obese and it nails most of the EU in that category--Netherlands being the exception.

[link to obesity.procon.org]
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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Death is a pretty good indicator of overall physical well being.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say, even almost say, that anywhere is better than the U.S. I will say some places have better systems in some pretty major areas. You hit the nail on the head though. No matter the faults of where we live for most of us "home" will always be where our family and friends are. We Americans need to get some control on things because we are literally destroying our home. You are also right that everyone needs to travel more. Americans need to go to other countries and continents to see other points of view and ways of living. There are also people that need to come and visit here to gain some perspective on us. All of us aren't fat or uneducated or untraveled. One thing I have learned during my travels is what gets broadcast about one country to another are the extremes both good and bad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12690803



I guess you haven't traveled much. Trying going to the Middle East or Africa some time. The stench of some of the poorly sanitized slums are overwhelming.

In fact if it weren't for the violence, I'd say our poor 'disenfranchised' unemployed black and latino's have it better than 95% of the world's population.

As for europe they have chosen death by islamicide. I am already mourning for our european brethren and the few genuine christians left on that continent.
 Quoting: SevenThunders


Let's see said I WOULD NOT say almost anywhere is better than the US. I totally agree that even our most poor have it better than many, many other countries. I suggested not only is it good for us to travel, but for people to visit here as well instead of just going by what the media and movies says about us.


That doesn't take away from the fact there are areas where countries are doing better than us. I am tired so forgive me if I don't understand the reason you seemed so upset by my post.
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There are only a few nationalities I dislike more than Dutch
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Glad you're as far away from Holland as possible.
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Whats with the ameritards theyve become fat and arrogant on here lately.I see a correlation McDs makes you a ass.
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You left out the fact that the Dutch are also the TALLEST people in the world, lol. That does factor into it.

And I'm genetically Dutch, have a Dutch last name which is also a town in northern Netherlands. And I know for a fact I just don't gain weight as easily as many people through no effort on my part.

And I can say this anonymously only that my little Dutch daughter-in-law while really beautiful is dumb as a box of rocks! And so far, two years into this marriage, is totally unteachable, the worst housekeeper I have ever seen and I do pity my son now. She is from the Bergen area.

Last Edited by Bluebird on 07/28/2012 04:21 AM
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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I wouldn't go so far as to say, even almost say, that anywhere is better than the U.S. I will say some places have better systems in some pretty major areas. You hit the nail on the head though. No matter the faults of where we live for most of us "home" will always be where our family and friends are. We Americans need to get some control on things because we are literally destroying our home. You are also right that everyone needs to travel more. Americans need to go to other countries and continents to see other points of view and ways of living. There are also people that need to come and visit here to gain some perspective on us. All of us aren't fat or uneducated or untraveled. One thing I have learned during my travels is what gets broadcast about one country to another are the extremes both good and bad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12690803



I guess you haven't traveled much. Trying going to the Middle East or Africa some time. The stench of some of the poorly sanitized slums are overwhelming.

In fact if it weren't for the violence, I'd say our poor 'disenfranchised' unemployed black and latino's have it better than 95% of the world's population.

As for europe they have chosen death by islamicide. I am already mourning for our european brethren and the few genuine christians left on that continent.
 Quoting: SevenThunders


I wouldn't go so far as to say, even almost say, that anywhere is better than the U.S. I will say some places have better systems in some pretty major areas. You hit the nail on the head though. No matter the faults of where we live for most of us "home" will always be where our family and friends are. We Americans need to get some control on things because we are literally destroying our home. You are also right that everyone needs to travel more. Americans need to go to other countries and continents to see other points of view and ways of living. There are also people that need to come and visit here to gain some perspective on us. All of us aren't fat or uneducated or untraveled. One thing I have learned during my travels is what gets broadcast about one country to another are the extremes both good and bad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12690803



I guess you haven't traveled much. Trying going to the Middle East or Africa some time. The stench of some of the poorly sanitized slums are overwhelming.

In fact if it weren't for the violence, I'd say our poor 'disenfranchised' unemployed black and latino's have it better than 95% of the world's population.

As for europe they have chosen death by islamicide. I am already mourning for our european brethren and the few genuine christians left on that continent.
 Quoting: SevenThunders





Dont count on it bacon was voted as the favorite British food recently so the mus-tards will need to try harder.
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WOW who knew!!!

Apparently all that pedaling has a very negative effect on the health of the 65+ in the Netherlands. Only 55% of them are able to live in their home independently compared to 88% of Americans aged 65+

[link to aspe.hhs.gov]

I guess I am smart after all :)
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You left out the fact that the Dutch are also the TALLEST people in the world, lol. That does factor into it.

And I'm genetically Dutch, have a Dutch last name which is also a town in northern Netherlands. And I know for a fact I just don't gain weight as easily as many people through no effort on my part.

And I can say this anonymously only that my little Dutch daughter-in-law while really beautiful is dumb as a box of rocks! And so far, two years into this marriage, is totally unteachable, the worst housekeeper I have ever seen and I do pity my son now. She is from the Bergen area.
 Quoting: Bluebird


Personally I think you have a big imagination and you're full of shit.

You're not smart either, otherwise you would understand that you're actually saying :

THAT YOUR SON, THE FRUIT OF YOUR GENES, IS A STUPID FUCK TO DATE SUCH A STUPID GIRL

HIS DADDY DIDN'T RAISE HIM IN SUCH A WAY THAT HE COULD DISTINGUISH BETWEEN SMART AND DUMB GIRLS

If you still try to play the smart gut now, it must be your wife that passed the "dumbass" genes to your son.

I think you're just full of crap

First telling how sweet the girl is... pfff

Length matters... right, than the opposite is true also, Koreans are short statured, and they're still on the bottom of the list... you're just trying to find an excuse for American obesity, out of frustartion you start talking crap, just like the stuf you eat and probably are.
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Hey, Dutch Dude...
Why are you trying to tell every american how good, healthy and smart we are. All those promo vids your showing. Everybody can make a good promo vid about his country, with things to be proud about, sure, but that doesn't mean that everything is so much better here. I'm with the american mother with the dutch daughter in law, your exagerating (if there's a typo here, its because were so not perfect. Every country has it's pro's and con's and it's okay to be proud, but man... your chauvinism is making me sick. The Netherlands try so hard to step up with its 'big brother USA', and we are certainly not as free as we think. Less obese, yeah sure, maybe, but don't idealize, realize: always room for improvement!And that goes for any country. After all.. we are all earthlings (oh, or maybe not all of us, taking in account the reptilians and zombie's and stuff)

Just needed to say something... you are working in the tourism section for sure...

A dutchie
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WOW who knew!!!

Apparently all that pedaling has a very negative effect on the health of the 65+ in the Netherlands. Only 55% of them are able to live in their home independently compared to 88% of Americans aged 65+

[link to aspe.hhs.gov]

I guess I am smart after all :)
 Quoting: maskedchicken

No, you're even more stupid now.

This has nothing to do with sickness, but with free facilities.

The elderly in America do not get free supportive housing and free full care, so they have to rely on family fin money, housing, medicine and support.

READ your own statistics again.

low level of care : Netherlands 9 - USA 0.9
high level of care : Netherlands 3 - USA 4.6

which means that the elderly go to free supportive housing to get free low level care (cooking, washing, shopping).

look at "Own home, with formal care"...

Norway, one of the richest countries in the world, gives the low care at home, while Netherlands also pay for free housing.
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Dutch inadequacy is similar to the jewish people