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Are you serious?!!...You are supposed to be educated and yet you are glorifying MEK????...THE MEK IS NO BETTER THAN IRC and the Mullahs ruling the country now, they are the dogs that Saddam Hussain unleashed against Kurds, These animals who were well equipped and armed by Saddam's regime and who had safe heaven in Iraq with their tanks voluntarily drove over Kurds and crushed their heads and bones!

Then it was Saddam and now it's USA who is making sure nobody can hurt these vile and cruel some members of MEK, I believe US is going to use them to topple the current regime ruling the Iran...remember Khomeini also promised peace and justice and you know very well what happened...I hope that people living in Iran won't make the same mistake twice!
 Quoting: Kurdish Shepherd


yea the US really tries to protect the MEK in camp ashraf..lol
no they didn't .. this is why there are powerful dems and republicans and attorneys crying out to their own ministry of foreign affairs that they should be protected from the maleki government



so why do you like to turn the tables...MEK had never lift their fingers on you guys and yet look at this video,,Iraq's government is massacring them (Although US signed protection for the MEK after they gave up their arms to the Americans) they didn't do anything until the UN stepped in. then the supreme court of justice in US have decided to delist them after so many trials.

so i don't know wtf are you talking about ?
 Quoting: IMAX


IMAX,

The question you should be asking is why is there no sympathy for MEK among Iraqis and the Kurds??!!...I was not aware of this video being published so thanks for sharing it, but had MEK have no blood in their hands people would have showed some kind of sympathy toward them. That's called Karma, Saddam couldn't avoid it, MEK can't avoid it...everyone has to reap what they sow. That assault on Camp Ashraf had US blessing I am 100% sure of it, for no decision on subject like this could be done without US permission, just because US is no longer present in Iraq officially doesn't mean that Iraqi's decisions are independent. And yes US is protecting them for if it wasn't due to US protection they would be treated much more harshly, because everyone knows what they did and all the people there despise them!

If you are still confused as to why nobody was sharing any sympathy toward MEK then let me enlighten you by the infamous command of MEK leader Maryam Rajavi "Take the Kurds under your tanks, and save your bullets for the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.”
 Quoting: Kurdish Shepherd


those Iraqis are sent there by the Maleki government who are in bed with the IRI. Maleki has said that they would send them off to Iran for them all to get killed.

The Iraqi citizens have demonstrated that they should release the Ashraf prisoners because they had nothing to do with them. whatever Saddam did to the kurds or Shias in Iraq, Mek had no part in it.

like i said, there have been dozens of trials in EU and US and they won because they are innocent. so if they did have any part in killing innocent civilians, then the trials would have ended up against them, and would have kept them as terrorists. but there has been no further proof that they are .
you my friend have to open your eyes wider. listen to the trials that are posted in court. the judge kept asking that whatever proof the ministry has to keep them as a terrorist then the court will accept. after a decade, they still haven;t managed to prove it.
 Quoting: IMAX


Well I don't know about Iraqi's but I can speak for the Kurds and I can assure you there was no demonstration what so ever that they should release the Ashraf prisoners, held by Maliki regime. Also it's very unlikely that Shias in Iraq would mind these assholes to be served on silver plate for IRAN.

Maliki being in bed with Iran is something everyone knows, but you should also know Maliki can't act without US permission.

You seriously think that they won these trials in EU and US because they were innocents? My friend either you are out of touch with reality or just have better faith in International Court and general sense of Justice in western world than I do.

Just to remind you how awesome and authentic these trials really are think about the war criminals of Balkan who were judged guilty of mass-murder and war crimes against humanity (rightly so) yet war criminal and mass-murderer who walks in tuxedo and invade sovereign countries under guise of spreading beauty of democracy to dark and evil part of the world with bombs like US president Barack Obama not only won't be put under trial he will be given NOBEL PEACE PRICE.

My friend you will be greatly disappointed if you really think that MEK is going to liberate people living in Iran under the tyranny of sick assholes...I would rather see Kurds, Persians and all the rest of people living in Iran fighting side by side against the tyranny without letting MEK or US to hijack it. And once they have liberated Iran give each right for self expression and liberty!
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its the same as the uk and usa laws, no different

with parental consent a person may have sex at any age.

but it then falls into child abuse with the newer laws.

its a very gray/grey area of the law, there are no specific laws preventing it.. its just a mixture of laws that create the whole thing illegal.

i dont condone the act of slavery or abuse but the laws in usa and uk have only recently prevented any of this..
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How much of Irans population is educated?

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The People's Mujahedeen of Iran, more commonly known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq or MEK, is listed as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the United States for its killing of U.S. personnel in Iran during the 1970s and its links to Saddam Hussein in the 1980s and 1990s.

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One is not one's "Government."
One is what one's Creator intended.
blessings, all.
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Ignorance and superstition have made these people easilly controllable by their rulers. Now, however, they are learning that their religious ignorance, is their ultimate weakness and they will fall, rulers and people. They rejected science and technology for superstition and now they are paying the price.
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How much of Irans population is educated?
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Are you for real?
The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think that it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly coloured, and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question - is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us. They say 'Hey! Don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.' And we...kill those people. Ha ha ha. 'Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride. SHUT HIM UP! -Bill Hicks
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How much of Irans population is educated?
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The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think that it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly coloured, and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question - is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us. They say 'Hey! Don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.' And we...kill those people. Ha ha ha. 'Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride. SHUT HIM UP! -Bill Hicks
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For once!! A great thread!! Thanks

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MEK are muslims who don't believe in Sharia laws and believe that there shall be no torture, executions, capital punishments, forced hijab, and most importantly, no pedophiles marrying children

they despise the Ayatollahs
 Quoting: IMAX


MEK, don't seem that much better:

Come October 1, a federal appeals court decision will force the State Department to decide whether the exile-Iranian group Mujahadin-e Khalq, or M.E.K., belongs on the list of designated foreign terrorist organizations.

As recently as 2007, a State Department report warned that the M.E.K., retains "the capacity and will" to attack "Europe, the Middle East, the United States, Canada, and beyond."

The M.E.K., which calls for an overthrow of the Iranian government and is considered by many Iranians to be a cult, once fought for Saddam Hussein and in the 1970s was responsible for bombings, attempted plane hijackings, and political assassinations. It was listed as a foreign terrorist organization in 1997.

[link to www.usnews.com]

The People's Mujahedeen of Iran, more commonly known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq or MEK, is listed as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the United States for its killing of U.S. personnel in Iran during the 1970s and its links to Saddam Hussein in the 1980s and 1990s.

MEK's ideology--a blend of Marxism, feminism, and Islamism

[link to www.cfr.org]


Also, this seems to be a big surprise to you about the age, but this is clearly written in a hadith:


Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20654817


why do u think the court is now lifting them off from the list? because they're stupid? no becuz there is no further proof that they are a terror organization. they checked all through their camps with sniffing dogs and still have not found a single grain of gun powder
the iranian regime killed over a 100,000 mek individuals only in one year so what else do u think they will do? wont fight back? lay down and let them selves get rolled over

Look how many Iranians support the MEK in this video i posted. over 100,000 people attended and well over 80% of them were Iranians.
most of the iranians joined the group to fight the regime, n also during battle of Iran-Iraq. they sent messages to the Iranian military to surrender and not to fight back since they will do the same becuz they were all brothers after all. and those who did, were sent back home unharmed.

they are the enemies of the regime not their own people.

MEK has said multiple times that they don't want to fight the Iranian regime to get in power. they will let there be fair elections between different parties such as Democrats, Liberals, Monarchists, Communists, and etc, including themselves each 4 years. and whoever the ppl vote they will accept.
 Quoting: IMAX




the masses had better get it straight and clear in their minds before this progresses much further...

that being the fact that as long as you as doing something Gods way, the right way, and making a stand against these occult satanic governments of the nwo...

you WILL be blacklisted, put on watch and terror lists and SLANDERED wildly with all their collective MIGHT in the same fashion that the false Christ, their Messiah, will do to Gods Elect once he's been introduced to humanity at large.

this is how they have always operated, under the thick shroud of their blatant HYPOCRISY calling black white and white black in essence

it's disturbing but it's a fact hence it must be recognized as such or you will become part of the might they wield against the Godly simply by falling for their SCHTICK when they have moved to malign anything WORTHY.

that's just the way it is and will be until this is finished at the 7th Trump

so buck up or fuck up and fall in line

that is entirely up to each of you
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Also, this seems to be a big surprise to you about the age, but this is clearly written in a hadith:


Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20654817

Yes...any Muslim should already be aware of these beliefs. I find it is very suspicious that OP acts like he just became aware of this.

Funny how the CIA can start paying opposition groups and then suddenly they have these moral outrages against things they have known for a long time. I also find it disgusting how the U.s. can get into bed with people that were once enemies because they are enemies against our new targets. so we can justify anything they do if we need them.

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I am an israeli national and i am ashamed that my bible says it's okay to rape 4 year old girls.
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Nice thread to get support for yet another terrorist group - Israel funds them, US politicians get paid to lobby on their behalf. You sheep swallow the bait again, incredible!

Do some more research on your - don't you think it's odd 33 US Officials are under investigation by the US Treasury for taking payments from MKO/MEK for speaking for them and that Rudy Guiliani calls openly to use them to carry out terrorist attacks inside Iran? Come on guys - it's Qaeda all over again, just now trying to make it legal cuz all the nasty stuff is coming to light with the investigations.

You all are getting "bamboozled" here.


[link to articles.cnn.com]


Don't be fooled: MEK is a terrorist group


Is it possible that a terrorist organization that has killed Americans and tortures its own members could organize a massive lobbying campaign to manipulate U.S. national security decisions?

It's happening before our very eyes.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is due to decide soon whether the Iranian Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK) should remain on the State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations or be delisted and free to raise taxpayer support for their operations.

The State Department says that throughout the 1970s, the MEK staged terrorist attacks inside Iran, and killed several U.S. military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran. It also says MEK members participated in the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.

But while the MEK remains designated as a terrorist group, it has managed to leverage a caustic political environment in the United States, a humanitarian crisis in Iraq for which it bears significant responsibility and bundles of cash to pull off one of the most insidious pressure campaigns Washington has seen.

Recently, it came to light that many of about 33 former U.S. officials who have advocated delisting the MEK have been paid to speak at events sponsored by Iranian groups that want it off the list. Some of the officials have since quietly backed away, professing ignorance about the group that had presented itself innocuously as an "Iranian opposition movement."

Others, like Michael Mukasey and Howard Dean, have redoubled their efforts in the midst of criticism and recalibrated their message to urge for delisting on humanitarian grounds. But while there is certainly a humanitarian crisis for MEK members, the organization's leadership is directly culpable.

While the MEK's core leadership is based comfortably in Paris, some 3,400 of its rank-and-file members are based in the organization's Iraq compound, Camp Ashraf, along the Iranian border. There, they are held hostage to the MEK leadership's efforts to gain international support.
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When we use the real Definition they are not
Pedos because when a Girl/ Boy enter
"the strange Times" they are not Children
anymore!

And it is fact that this Rule came from the
afir. Abrahametic Religions
and Mohammed just followed
the social Rules of that days, for him it
was normal and he done was many Males
done for 3-4.000 Years before him!
 Quoting: the mighty Atom


Are you seriously trying to justify this bullshit? You should be ashamed of yourself. These are children! They should be playing games and going to school. A nine year old is a child you sick fuck. These things(i wont even call them human)make me sick and I do hope some higher power one day eradicates the exsistence of creatures like this.

Last Edited by Lemaus on 07/28/2012 06:43 PM
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Nice thread to get support for yet another terrorist group - Israel funds them, US politicians get paid to lobby on their behalf. You sheep swallow the bait again, incredible!

Do some more research on your - don't you think it's odd 33 US Officials are under investigation by the US Treasury for taking payments from MKO/MEK for speaking for them and that Rudy Guiliani calls openly to use them to carry out terrorist attacks inside Iran? Come on guys - it's Qaeda all over again, just now trying to make it legal cuz all the nasty stuff is coming to light with the investigations.

You all are getting "bamboozled" here.


[link to articles.cnn.com]


Don't be fooled: MEK is a terrorist group


Is it possible that a terrorist organization that has killed Americans and tortures its own members could organize a massive lobbying campaign to manipulate U.S. national security decisions?

It's happening before our very eyes.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is due to decide soon whether the Iranian Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK) should remain on the State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations or be delisted and free to raise taxpayer support for their operations.

The State Department says that throughout the 1970s, the MEK staged terrorist attacks inside Iran, and killed several U.S. military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran. It also says MEK members participated in the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.

But while the MEK remains designated as a terrorist group, it has managed to leverage a caustic political environment in the United States, a humanitarian crisis in Iraq for which it bears significant responsibility and bundles of cash to pull off one of the most insidious pressure campaigns Washington has seen.

Recently, it came to light that many of about 33 former U.S. officials who have advocated delisting the MEK have been paid to speak at events sponsored by Iranian groups that want it off the list. Some of the officials have since quietly backed away, professing ignorance about the group that had presented itself innocuously as an "Iranian opposition movement."

Others, like Michael Mukasey and Howard Dean, have redoubled their efforts in the midst of criticism and recalibrated their message to urge for delisting on humanitarian grounds. But while there is certainly a humanitarian crisis for MEK members, the organization's leadership is directly culpable.

While the MEK's core leadership is based comfortably in Paris, some 3,400 of its rank-and-file members are based in the organization's Iraq compound, Camp Ashraf, along the Iranian border. There, they are held hostage to the MEK leadership's efforts to gain international support.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20777685

oh hi there, thought you might show up..
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Yes, trying to wake up the sheep!

Btw, in the video, the cleric who says bout the legal age, is fucked in the head. I want to see the proof of a guy actually marrying a 9 year old girl there. He's citing old Islamic Sharia, which is sick I agree.

But to tie in MKO/MEK to lobby for them being "freedom fighters" and the good guys is really equally sick and wrong. Just because of this video you can't support yet another terrorist group that US politicians are taking loads of money for. Plenty of human rights violation going on in that group as well. I refuse to support terrorists, and I would refuse even more to give any of my money to people who carry out terrorist attacks of any kind.
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Nice thread to get support for yet another terrorist group - Israel funds them, US politicians get paid to lobby on their behalf. You sheep swallow the bait again, incredible!

Do some more research on your - don't you think it's odd 33 US Officials are under investigation by the US Treasury for taking payments from MKO/MEK for speaking for them and that Rudy Guiliani calls openly to use them to carry out terrorist attacks inside Iran? Come on guys - it's Qaeda all over again, just now trying to make it legal cuz all the nasty stuff is coming to light with the investigations.

You all are getting "bamboozled" here.


[link to articles.cnn.com]


Don't be fooled: MEK is a terrorist group


Is it possible that a terrorist organization that has killed Americans and tortures its own members could organize a massive lobbying campaign to manipulate U.S. national security decisions?

It's happening before our very eyes.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is due to decide soon whether the Iranian Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK) should remain on the State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations or be delisted and free to raise taxpayer support for their operations.

The State Department says that throughout the 1970s, the MEK staged terrorist attacks inside Iran, and killed several U.S. military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran. It also says MEK members participated in the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.

But while the MEK remains designated as a terrorist group, it has managed to leverage a caustic political environment in the United States, a humanitarian crisis in Iraq for which it bears significant responsibility and bundles of cash to pull off one of the most insidious pressure campaigns Washington has seen.

Recently, it came to light that many of about 33 former U.S. officials who have advocated delisting the MEK have been paid to speak at events sponsored by Iranian groups that want it off the list. Some of the officials have since quietly backed away, professing ignorance about the group that had presented itself innocuously as an "Iranian opposition movement."

Others, like Michael Mukasey and Howard Dean, have redoubled their efforts in the midst of criticism and recalibrated their message to urge for delisting on humanitarian grounds. But while there is certainly a humanitarian crisis for MEK members, the organization's leadership is directly culpable.

While the MEK's core leadership is based comfortably in Paris, some 3,400 of its rank-and-file members are based in the organization's Iraq compound, Camp Ashraf, along the Iranian border. There, they are held hostage to the MEK leadership's efforts to gain international support.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20777685

oh hi there, thought you might show up..
 Quoting: IMAX


they tried to keep the MEK on the terror list but can't no longer do that since they don't have ny further proof that they deserve to be called terrorist ...

so after 2 decades of court battles, the US court gave the ministry 4 months to come up with facts that why they should be kept as terrorist .. there's like 20 days left and still haven't managed to prove why they are terrorists

nuff said

buh bye

Last Edited by IMAX on 07/28/2012 07:04 PM
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Nice thread to get support for yet another terrorist group - Israel funds them, US politicians get paid to lobby on their behalf. You sheep swallow the bait again, incredible!

Do some more research on your - don't you think it's odd 33 US Officials are under investigation by the US Treasury for taking payments from MKO/MEK for speaking for them and that Rudy Guiliani calls openly to use them to carry out terrorist attacks inside Iran? Come on guys - it's Qaeda all over again, just now trying to make it legal cuz all the nasty stuff is coming to light with the investigations.

You all are getting "bamboozled" here.


[link to articles.cnn.com]


Don't be fooled: MEK is a terrorist group


Is it possible that a terrorist organization that has killed Americans and tortures its own members could organize a massive lobbying campaign to manipulate U.S. national security decisions?

It's happening before our very eyes.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is due to decide soon whether the Iranian Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK) should remain on the State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations or be delisted and free to raise taxpayer support for their operations.

The State Department says that throughout the 1970s, the MEK staged terrorist attacks inside Iran, and killed several U.S. military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran. It also says MEK members participated in the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.

But while the MEK remains designated as a terrorist group, it has managed to leverage a caustic political environment in the United States, a humanitarian crisis in Iraq for which it bears significant responsibility and bundles of cash to pull off one of the most insidious pressure campaigns Washington has seen.

Recently, it came to light that many of about 33 former U.S. officials who have advocated delisting the MEK have been paid to speak at events sponsored by Iranian groups that want it off the list. Some of the officials have since quietly backed away, professing ignorance about the group that had presented itself innocuously as an "Iranian opposition movement."

Others, like Michael Mukasey and Howard Dean, have redoubled their efforts in the midst of criticism and recalibrated their message to urge for delisting on humanitarian grounds. But while there is certainly a humanitarian crisis for MEK members, the organization's leadership is directly culpable.

While the MEK's core leadership is based comfortably in Paris, some 3,400 of its rank-and-file members are based in the organization's Iraq compound, Camp Ashraf, along the Iranian border. There, they are held hostage to the MEK leadership's efforts to gain international support.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20777685

oh hi there, thought you might show up..
 Quoting: IMAX


they tried to keep the MEK on the terror list but can't no longer do that since they don't have ny further proof that they deserve to be called terrorist ...

so after 2 decades of court battles, the US court gave the ministry 4 months to come up with facts that why they should be kept as terrorist .. there's like 20 days left and still haven't managed to prove why they are terrorists

nuff said

buh bye
 Quoting: IMAX


You are kidding right? Court battles - hmm....well, easy to say the courts when Israel is funding this group and US Officials lobbying for it. This is just now to cover up their crimes and asses.

Whatever, go for it. Creating yet another monster...just now it's legal, they're no longer terrorist and called "Freedom Fighters", like Qaeda in Libya and Syria, right?
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Re: I didn't want to believe it.. i just could'nt accept it..but now i found out it's true
Nice thread to get support for yet another terrorist group - Israel funds them, US politicians get paid to lobby on their behalf. You sheep swallow the bait again, incredible!

Do some more research on your - don't you think it's odd 33 US Officials are under investigation by the US Treasury for taking payments from MKO/MEK for speaking for them and that Rudy Guiliani calls openly to use them to carry out terrorist attacks inside Iran? Come on guys - it's Qaeda all over again, just now trying to make it legal cuz all the nasty stuff is coming to light with the investigations.

You all are getting "bamboozled" here.


[link to articles.cnn.com]


Don't be fooled: MEK is a terrorist group


Is it possible that a terrorist organization that has killed Americans and tortures its own members could organize a massive lobbying campaign to manipulate U.S. national security decisions?

It's happening before our very eyes.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is due to decide soon whether the Iranian Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK) should remain on the State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations or be delisted and free to raise taxpayer support for their operations.

The State Department says that throughout the 1970s, the MEK staged terrorist attacks inside Iran, and killed several U.S. military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran. It also says MEK members participated in the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.

But while the MEK remains designated as a terrorist group, it has managed to leverage a caustic political environment in the United States, a humanitarian crisis in Iraq for which it bears significant responsibility and bundles of cash to pull off one of the most insidious pressure campaigns Washington has seen.

Recently, it came to light that many of about 33 former U.S. officials who have advocated delisting the MEK have been paid to speak at events sponsored by Iranian groups that want it off the list. Some of the officials have since quietly backed away, professing ignorance about the group that had presented itself innocuously as an "Iranian opposition movement."

Others, like Michael Mukasey and Howard Dean, have redoubled their efforts in the midst of criticism and recalibrated their message to urge for delisting on humanitarian grounds. But while there is certainly a humanitarian crisis for MEK members, the organization's leadership is directly culpable.

While the MEK's core leadership is based comfortably in Paris, some 3,400 of its rank-and-file members are based in the organization's Iraq compound, Camp Ashraf, along the Iranian border. There, they are held hostage to the MEK leadership's efforts to gain international support.
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oh hi there, thought you might show up..
 Quoting: IMAX


they tried to keep the MEK on the terror list but can't no longer do that since they don't have ny further proof that they deserve to be called terrorist ...

so after 2 decades of court battles, the US court gave the ministry 4 months to come up with facts that why they should be kept as terrorist .. there's like 20 days left and still haven't managed to prove why they are terrorists

nuff said

buh bye
 Quoting: IMAX


You are kidding right? Court battles - hmm....well, easy to say the courts when Israel is funding this group and US Officials lobbying for it. This is just now to cover up their crimes and asses.

Whatever, go for it. Creating yet another monster...just now it's legal, they're no longer terrorist and called "Freedom Fighters", like Qaeda in Libya and Syria, right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20777685


laugh Israel lobby ?!!
do you know how much supporters MEK has ?? 1st of all by no means they will ever receive money from any lobbyists other than Iranian supporters. they raise money through people who support them...just last week the raised over $3 million
in two days.

2nd..they have businesses infiltrated through out the region without anybody knowing that it is ran by the MEK. they take half of those profits and send them to their own.

So please, stop with your nonsense about Israeli lobbying MEK
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oh hi there, thought you might show up..
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they tried to keep the MEK on the terror list but can't no longer do that since they don't have ny further proof that they deserve to be called terrorist ...

so after 2 decades of court battles, the US court gave the ministry 4 months to come up with facts that why they should be kept as terrorist .. there's like 20 days left and still haven't managed to prove why they are terrorists

nuff said

buh bye
 Quoting: IMAX


You are kidding right? Court battles - hmm....well, easy to say the courts when Israel is funding this group and US Officials lobbying for it. This is just now to cover up their crimes and asses.

Whatever, go for it. Creating yet another monster...just now it's legal, they're no longer terrorist and called "Freedom Fighters", like Qaeda in Libya and Syria, right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20777685


laugh Israel lobby ?!!
do you know how much supporters MEK has ?? 1st of all by no means they will ever receive money from any lobbyists other than Iranian supporters. they raise money through people who support them...just last week the raised over $3 million
in two days.

2nd..they have businesses infiltrated through out the region without anybody knowing that it is ran by the MEK. they take half of those profits and send them to their own.

So please, stop with your nonsense about Israeli lobbying MEK
 Quoting: IMAX


Yes, laugh all you want. I didn't say Israel lobbies, I said they receive funds from Israel ALSO from Saudi Arabia.

US Officials merely took payments for speaking on their behalf to get them off the terrorist list. They are under investigation by US Treasury Department and the information came from the US. Of course they are ALSO funded by Iranians living ABROAD, so coming from you in Canada not surprised.

In regards to courts - here an example how that goes:

Thread: UNBELIEVABLE- U.S. Soldier Michael Behenna Sentenced to 25 yrs in Prison for Shooting Al Qaeda Op

Very trustworthy.

And the history of MKO/MEK?

[link to www.terrorismfiles.org]

Formed in the 1960s by the college-educated children of Iranian merchants, the MEK sought to counter what it perceived as excessive Western influence in the Shah's regime. Following a philosophy that mixes Marxism and Islam, has developed into the largest and most active armed Iranian dissident group. Its history is studded with anti-Western activity and, most recently, attacks on the interests of the clerical regime in Iran and abroad.

Activities
Worldwide campaign against the Iranian Government stresses propaganda and occasionally uses terrorist violence. During the 1970s the MEK staged terrorist attacks inside Iran and killed several US military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran. Supported the takeover in 1979 of the US Embassy in Tehran. In April 1992 conducted attacks on Iranian embassies in 13 different countries, demonstrating the group's ability to mount large-scale operations overseas. The normal pace of anti-Iranian operations increased during the "Operation Great Bahman" in February 2000, when the group claimed it launched a dozen attacks against Iran. During the remainder of the year, the MEK regularly claimed that its members were involved in mortar attacks and hit-and-run raids on Iranian military, law enforcement units, and government buildings near the Iran-Iraq border. The MEK also claimed six mortar attacks on civilian government and military buildings in Tehran.


Not surprised at this attempt to now make them look like they're innocent when so many people are caught with dirty and bloody hands.

It's the strategy now - your enemy now is your friend. Let them fight for your cause instead of sending your troops.

Good luck with that.
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If this is true its sickening.
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why can't you understand what i am saying? why do you keep talking about their belief ?? did you even bother watching their speeches? did you even bother to look up their history?
why do you think the grand ayatollah Khomeini ordered to kill them? they were Shias too not sunnies...so why did he choose the name infidel on the MEK if they are so fundamentally religious?
because they don't believe in Sharia laws. they don't believe religion should be in politics...they don't believe in a parliament of mullahs that rule the state
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The article that I showed, clearly states, that they blend Islam. The reason, their called infidels, is that because their 'innovators'. Those who don't follow true Islam, but still follow a modified (innovated) version of Islam, since they blend two other ideologies. Once again they're still following a modified version of Islam. One now needs proof, of their version of Islam.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20752868


modified ... that is the word
but what is the problem with it? they don't believe in Sharia .. nuff said
if they don't believe in sharia, that means they don't believe in executing gays, stone women to death, eye for an eye capital punishments, marrying 9 year olds, forcing women to wear hijab, executing people who drinks alc, and etc

they 'modified the Quran' and i thank them for it
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Once again, you keep speaking about their version of Islam, without a single bit of proof.
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you keep asking me about proof..i just gave you the proof that they don't bring religion into politics

please listen to their speech
search Maryam Rajavi speech Quran
or Masoud Rajavi Quran...seperation of church from state

you'll see what they talk about and hear it from them instead of me... okay?
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If this is true its sickening.
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sadly it is
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MEK are muslims who don't believe in Sharia laws and believe that there shall be no torture, executions, capital punishments, forced hijab, and most importantly, no pedophiles marrying children

they despise the Ayatollahs
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Wow! OP great thread! I know we have disagreed in the past, but I commend you on this issue. One in which I agree 100%


5 stars!
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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they tried to keep the MEK on the terror list but can't no longer do that since they don't have ny further proof that they deserve to be called terrorist ...

so after 2 decades of court battles, the US court gave the ministry 4 months to come up with facts that why they should be kept as terrorist .. there's like 20 days left and still haven't managed to prove why they are terrorists

nuff said

buh bye
 Quoting: IMAX


You are kidding right? Court battles - hmm....well, easy to say the courts when Israel is funding this group and US Officials lobbying for it. This is just now to cover up their crimes and asses.

Whatever, go for it. Creating yet another monster...just now it's legal, they're no longer terrorist and called "Freedom Fighters", like Qaeda in Libya and Syria, right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20777685


laugh Israel lobby ?!!
do you know how much supporters MEK has ?? 1st of all by no means they will ever receive money from any lobbyists other than Iranian supporters. they raise money through people who support them...just last week the raised over $3 million
in two days.

2nd..they have businesses infiltrated through out the region without anybody knowing that it is ran by the MEK. they take half of those profits and send them to their own.

So please, stop with your nonsense about Israeli lobbying MEK
 Quoting: IMAX


Yes, laugh all you want. I didn't say Israel lobbies, I said they receive funds from Israel ALSO from Saudi Arabia.

US Officials merely took payments for speaking on their behalf to get them off the terrorist list. They are under investigation by US Treasury Department and the information came from the US. Of course they are ALSO funded by Iranians living ABROAD, so coming from you in Canada not surprised.

In regards to courts - here an example how that goes:

Thread: UNBELIEVABLE- U.S. Soldier Michael Behenna Sentenced to 25 yrs in Prison for Shooting Al Qaeda Op

Very trustworthy.

And the history of MKO/MEK?

[link to www.terrorismfiles.org]

Formed in the 1960s by the college-educated children of Iranian merchants, the MEK sought to counter what it perceived as excessive Western influence in the Shah's regime. Following a philosophy that mixes Marxism and Islam, has developed into the largest and most active armed Iranian dissident group. Its history is studded with anti-Western activity and, most recently, attacks on the interests of the clerical regime in Iran and abroad.

Activities
Worldwide campaign against the Iranian Government stresses propaganda and occasionally uses terrorist violence. During the 1970s the MEK staged terrorist attacks inside Iran and killed several US military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran. Supported the takeover in 1979 of the US Embassy in Tehran. In April 1992 conducted attacks on Iranian embassies in 13 different countries, demonstrating the group's ability to mount large-scale operations overseas. The normal pace of anti-Iranian operations increased during the "Operation Great Bahman" in February 2000, when the group claimed it launched a dozen attacks against Iran. During the remainder of the year, the MEK regularly claimed that its members were involved in mortar attacks and hit-and-run raids on Iranian military, law enforcement units, and government buildings near the Iran-Iraq border. The MEK also claimed six mortar attacks on civilian government and military buildings in Tehran.


Not surprised at this attempt to now make them look like they're innocent when so many people are caught with dirty and bloody hands.

It's the strategy now - your enemy now is your friend. Let them fight for your cause instead of sending your troops.

Good luck with that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20777685


yea maybe from israeli people including iranian israeli jewish people who live in ISrael

btw did you really think that they will come to power and make iran another theocracy??!!

they have said multiple of times that they will never do that and will bring democracy .. which means after the topple of the current regime, there shall be fair elections each 4 years between different parties and whom ever wins they'll accept

this was also the very same reason why khomeini had to order to kill them since they were standing in their ways .. the people of iran caused a revolution for a real democracy n khomeini lied..he promised there shall be "majlese moasesan"Constituent Assembly, where there would have been a delegate from each party such as the bahaiee, communists, mujaheed, islamists, democrats, republics, liberal/socialists/ , and etc

but then when he got in power he changed it to assembly of clerics..mullahs then got in power

one by one the leaders of the parties were getting assasinated and or executed until they gave up except the MEK which are still fighting this brutal regime...yet you call them terrorists and whatever

I assure you

they are no terrorists and they have given their lives for the country to be liberated again. with people like you supporting the Khomeini's regime and falsifying the facts about the MEK, Iran will never become democratic and stay theocratic
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How much of Irans population is educated?
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Are you for real?
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


I guess I could google it, it was just easier to ask.

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MEK are muslims who don't believe in Sharia laws and believe that there shall be no torture, executions, capital punishments, forced hijab, and most importantly, no pedophiles marrying children

they despise the Ayatollahs
 Quoting: IMAX


Wow! OP great thread! I know we have disagreed in the past, but I commend you on this issue. One in which I agree 100%


5 stars!
 Quoting: mathetes


thank you for your understanding, and I'm very glad that you had the chance to learn about the MEK..which IMO are the best solution to an islamic country like Iran to become a real democratic country
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How much of Irans population is educated?
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Are you for real?
 Quoting: ~THE IRANIAN~


I guess I could google it, it was just easier to ask.
 Quoting: WindyMind


lol

you don't have to take my word for it, go ahead and research about the average % of educated Iranians ... Iran has one of the most educated ppl on earth.

many staff of NASA are Iranians. like if you check the director of the mars project, you'll see he is an Iranian for example

his name is firouz Naderi

Iran has reached the 10th place in R&D in Nano technology
they have nuclear technology, space technology, robotics, building super computers, biomedical R&D, stem cell research, and so on

they have won many olympic medals in academia just to mention.

unfortunately, their reputation has got ruined by the actions of the mullahs who are running the country.
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Well I guess we all need to help Israel attack Iran and kill all those child abusers.


NOT!!


Are they throwing the babies out of the incubators?
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You are kidding right? Court battles - hmm....well, easy to say the courts when Israel is funding this group and US Officials lobbying for it. This is just now to cover up their crimes and asses.

Whatever, go for it. Creating yet another monster...just now it's legal, they're no longer terrorist and called "Freedom Fighters", like Qaeda in Libya and Syria, right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20777685


laugh Israel lobby ?!!
do you know how much supporters MEK has ?? 1st of all by no means they will ever receive money from any lobbyists other than Iranian supporters. they raise money through people who support them...just last week the raised over $3 million
in two days.

2nd..they have businesses infiltrated through out the region without anybody knowing that it is ran by the MEK. they take half of those profits and send them to their own.

So please, stop with your nonsense about Israeli lobbying MEK
 Quoting: IMAX


Yes, laugh all you want. I didn't say Israel lobbies, I said they receive funds from Israel ALSO from Saudi Arabia.

US Officials merely took payments for speaking on their behalf to get them off the terrorist list. They are under investigation by US Treasury Department and the information came from the US. Of course they are ALSO funded by Iranians living ABROAD, so coming from you in Canada not surprised.

In regards to courts - here an example how that goes:

Thread: UNBELIEVABLE- U.S. Soldier Michael Behenna Sentenced to 25 yrs in Prison for Shooting Al Qaeda Op

Very trustworthy.

And the history of MKO/MEK?

[link to www.terrorismfiles.org]

Formed in the 1960s by the college-educated children of Iranian merchants, the MEK sought to counter what it perceived as excessive Western influence in the Shah's regime. Following a philosophy that mixes Marxism and Islam, has developed into the largest and most active armed Iranian dissident group. Its history is studded with anti-Western activity and, most recently, attacks on the interests of the clerical regime in Iran and abroad.

Activities
Worldwide campaign against the Iranian Government stresses propaganda and occasionally uses terrorist violence. During the 1970s the MEK staged terrorist attacks inside Iran and killed several US military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran. Supported the takeover in 1979 of the US Embassy in Tehran. In April 1992 conducted attacks on Iranian embassies in 13 different countries, demonstrating the group's ability to mount large-scale operations overseas. The normal pace of anti-Iranian operations increased during the "Operation Great Bahman" in February 2000, when the group claimed it launched a dozen attacks against Iran. During the remainder of the year, the MEK regularly claimed that its members were involved in mortar attacks and hit-and-run raids on Iranian military, law enforcement units, and government buildings near the Iran-Iraq border. The MEK also claimed six mortar attacks on civilian government and military buildings in Tehran.


Not surprised at this attempt to now make them look like they're innocent when so many people are caught with dirty and bloody hands.

It's the strategy now - your enemy now is your friend. Let them fight for your cause instead of sending your troops.

Good luck with that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20777685


yea maybe from israeli people including iranian israeli jewish people who live in ISrael

btw did you really think that they will come to power and make iran another theocracy??!!

they have said multiple of times that they will never do that and will bring democracy .. which means after the topple of the current regime, there shall be fair elections each 4 years between different parties and whom ever wins they'll accept

this was also the very same reason why khomeini had to order to kill them since they were standing in their ways .. the people of iran caused a revolution for a real democracy n khomeini lied..he promised there shall be "majlese moasesan"Constituent Assembly, where there would have been a delegate from each party such as the bahaiee, communists, mujaheed, islamists, democrats, republics, liberal/socialists/ , and etc

but then when he got in power he changed it to assembly of clerics..mullahs then got in power

one by one the leaders of the parties were getting assasinated and or executed until they gave up except the MEK which are still fighting this brutal regime...yet you call them terrorists and whatever

I assure you

they are terrorists and they have betrayed their country to be turned back to the times of the Shah. with people like you supporting the NWO/Empire/Cabal and falsifying the facts about the MEK, Iran will be turned into another Libya&Syria combined, invaded by NATO, resources taken over, Rothschild Bank installed and people oppressed and enslaved.
 Quoting: IMAX


Fixed that for you - that's more like what it looks like to me.
And to add a little Conspiracy Theory! Iran is not just rich in resources, no, it's also extremely important if you look at the ancient history and artifacts. Some people may have an interest to get their hands on them, remember Iraq!!!

Also, how is it the Iranian jewish community rejects over and over again the money offered by Israel to move there?
How is it Iran has Elections and allows christians, j e w s and zoarastrians to vote in representatives into Parliament?

If democracy is for you what's being done to Syria now for example, then you must have some vested interests. The "Free Syrian Army" terrorist jihadis are getting diminished now by Assad, so seems to me MEK/MKO are just the next Al Qaeda/Free Syrian Army jihadists.

This is my analysis - of course you are Iranian and its your country and your opinion. Your reality is different from mine. I have no interest in either outcome, except that I believe any forced Regime change with OUTSIDE HANDS in it, should be treated with a little skepticism, and especially with what we have seen the past 1 1/2 years in this Region.

Nevertheless, I wish you well.
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laugh Israel lobby ?!!
do you know how much supporters MEK has ?? 1st of all by no means they will ever receive money from any lobbyists other than Iranian supporters. they raise money through people who support them...just last week the raised over $3 million
in two days.

2nd..they have businesses infiltrated through out the region without anybody knowing that it is ran by the MEK. they take half of those profits and send them to their own.

So please, stop with your nonsense about Israeli lobbying MEK
 Quoting: IMAX


Yes, laugh all you want. I didn't say Israel lobbies, I said they receive funds from Israel ALSO from Saudi Arabia.

US Officials merely took payments for speaking on their behalf to get them off the terrorist list. They are under investigation by US Treasury Department and the information came from the US. Of course they are ALSO funded by Iranians living ABROAD, so coming from you in Canada not surprised.

In regards to courts - here an example how that goes:

Thread: UNBELIEVABLE- U.S. Soldier Michael Behenna Sentenced to 25 yrs in Prison for Shooting Al Qaeda Op

Very trustworthy.

And the history of MKO/MEK?

[link to www.terrorismfiles.org]

Formed in the 1960s by the college-educated children of Iranian merchants, the MEK sought to counter what it perceived as excessive Western influence in the Shah's regime. Following a philosophy that mixes Marxism and Islam, has developed into the largest and most active armed Iranian dissident group. Its history is studded with anti-Western activity and, most recently, attacks on the interests of the clerical regime in Iran and abroad.

Activities
Worldwide campaign against the Iranian Government stresses propaganda and occasionally uses terrorist violence. During the 1970s the MEK staged terrorist attacks inside Iran and killed several US military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran. Supported the takeover in 1979 of the US Embassy in Tehran. In April 1992 conducted attacks on Iranian embassies in 13 different countries, demonstrating the group's ability to mount large-scale operations overseas. The normal pace of anti-Iranian operations increased during the "Operation Great Bahman" in February 2000, when the group claimed it launched a dozen attacks against Iran. During the remainder of the year, the MEK regularly claimed that its members were involved in mortar attacks and hit-and-run raids on Iranian military, law enforcement units, and government buildings near the Iran-Iraq border. The MEK also claimed six mortar attacks on civilian government and military buildings in Tehran.


Not surprised at this attempt to now make them look like they're innocent when so many people are caught with dirty and bloody hands.

It's the strategy now - your enemy now is your friend. Let them fight for your cause instead of sending your troops.

Good luck with that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20777685


yea maybe from israeli people including iranian israeli jewish people who live in ISrael

btw did you really think that they will come to power and make iran another theocracy??!!

they have said multiple of times that they will never do that and will bring democracy .. which means after the topple of the current regime, there shall be fair elections each 4 years between different parties and whom ever wins they'll accept

this was also the very same reason why khomeini had to order to kill them since they were standing in their ways .. the people of iran caused a revolution for a real democracy n khomeini lied..he promised there shall be "majlese moasesan"Constituent Assembly, where there would have been a delegate from each party such as the bahaiee, communists, mujaheed, islamists, democrats, republics, liberal/socialists/ , and etc

but then when he got in power he changed it to assembly of clerics..mullahs then got in power

one by one the leaders of the parties were getting assasinated and or executed until they gave up except the MEK which are still fighting this brutal regime...yet you call them terrorists and whatever

I assure you

they are terrorists and they have betrayed their country to be turned back to the times of the Shah. with people like you supporting the NWO/Empire/Cabal and falsifying the facts about the MEK, Iran will be turned into another Libya&Syria combined, invaded by NATO, resources taken over, Rothschild Bank installed and people oppressed and enslaved.
 Quoting: IMAX


Fixed that for you - that's more like what it looks like to me.
And to add a little Conspiracy Theory! Iran is not just rich in resources, no, it's also extremely important if you look at the ancient history and artifacts. Some people may have an interest to get their hands on them, remember Iraq!!!

Also, how is it the Iranian jewish community rejects over and over again the money offered by Israel to move there?
How is it Iran has Elections and allows christians, j e w s and zoarastrians to vote in representatives into Parliament?

If democracy is for you what's being done to Syria now for example, then you must have some vested interests. The "Free Syrian Army" terrorist jihadis are getting diminished now by Assad, so seems to me MEK/MKO are just the next Al Qaeda/Free Syrian Army jihadists.

This is my analysis - of course you are Iranian and its your country and your opinion. Your reality is different from mine. I have no interest in either outcome, except that I believe any forced Regime change with OUTSIDE HANDS in it, should be treated with a little skepticism, and especially with what we have seen the past 1 1/2 years in this Region.

Nevertheless, I wish you well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20777685

about the jewish people in Iran is understandable that they love iran, i don't know what does that have to do with Iranian jewish people in Israel!!??
Iranian jewish people in Israel still love their country Iran and are very proud people to be both citizens of Israel and Iran.
i never said that there is no freedom for the christians and jewish people in Iran but you have to admit their freedoms is limited.

i want to answer few of the things you have mentions
1- you said that in 1960 that the MEK was formed to oppose the western influence of the Shah.

well the MEK during that time were opposing a dictatorship. where you had a country with people that had no say and all the power was within the hands of one individual who was the Shah.
IMO the world is evolving. and during that time the MKO wanted to topple the dictatorship. and for this reason the Shah executed 90% of them during that time.
Did the Shah do a right thing?

2-you claimed that in 1992 the MEK have attacked Iranian embassies in 13 countries. since 1980 to 1988 the Khomeini regime have executed well over of 120,000 supporters whom were mostly educated individuals. (only in 1988 well over 30,000 MEK supporters were all executed in prison in one year)

I'd like to ask you as a human being, what can you say about an evil regime such as this one in Iran? Aren't we all human beings? Aren't we all equal ? Aren't all God's creations born equal?
why is there someone right now in power that sentence people to death in the name of religion? is this even Islamic? Islam was supposed to be about equality wasn't it?
And i am sure that you accept that the mullahs were wrong to sentence innocent ppl to death in the name of allah.
they are way worst than the Shah

3-you claimed that there is no surprise that they are acting all innocent and it is their strategy to use the "my enemy's enemy is my friend" to further their agenda.

if this was their strategy, then why did they gave 100,000's of their own lives for their own country to not be in the hands of lunatic clerics that are allowed do their crimes in the name of religion?
their (MEK) ideology is that the leadership shall be no more than equal to all human beings. there is no difference between a man and a women. there shall be Freedom of speech, freedom of notion, and a good relationship with all nations around the world.
And most importantly there shall be a separation of Church from the State, and I am sure that you agree as well.

you are right in saying that any forced Regime change with OUTSIDE HANDS in it, should be treated with a little skepticism.
But, the MEK say to these forced regimes to stand aside of their ways and not to cooperate with the regime of Iran.
there is no outside hands. all they did was to convince the world that they are no terrorist but should be considered as an opposition group.
think about it
if it's highly illegal for terrorists lobbying the diplomats, then why would the diplomats risk their reputation and lives for couple of 1000s of $$? have some common sense

It was just all a rumor..they said that patric Kennedy received $10,000 to support the MEK but that turned out to be false
Rudy Giuliani have swore that there were lobbyists trying to convince him not to support the MEK, but he turned them down.

The MEK will never let other hands to interfere because they know there will be consequences and turn iran into another puppet.

look at it from both sides of the spectrum. listen to Masoud Rajavie's speech and you'll be amazed on how innovative and influential he is.


I hope you can change your mind about the MEK and start to really think with a different perspective

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And Down to all who take away people's freedom in the Name of Religion

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