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are turks "white"?

 
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are turks "white"?
what arethey?north african, arab, europe and asia?
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what arethey?north african, arab, europe and asia?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20691859


Do they have google where you live?
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what arethey?north african, arab, europe and asia?
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Do they have google where you live?
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whts that? kidding..just answer the damm question, Skippy!
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Re: are turks "white"?
"Turks" came from central asia and have Mongolian origins. Whilst on holiday in Turkey I found out the origin of the blue "evil" eye that people put on their homes and businesses.
When the Turks first migrated into he land we now know as Turkey they found a fair-haired and fair-skinned people living there.
As the Turks had never seen blue eyes before they were quite stunned and scared by them and believed people with blue eyes had magic powers hence the reason for those pendants you see in Turkey.
So no the dark-skinned and black haired Turks you see today have central asian roots, having said that if you vist places in Western Turkey such as Izmir you will see many "white" people even with red hair.
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Re: are turks "white"?
damned if I know; you see the original settlers of the USA were turks and we now call them here "hillbillys", strange people that live way back in the mountains in the south.


Way back in 1580, the English pirateer Drake attacked and robbed the Spanish Treasure Fleet as it was rounding Florida after leaveing Mexico{thus causeing the later attack on England by the Spanish Armada}. He captured several big ships and their cargos of gold and silver. He kept 100 spanish sailors to ransom back to Spain, but dumped 500+ P.O.W. galley slaves off on the coast of South Carolina. These POWs mostly had been captured from Turkey in the big sea battle for Malta in 1575. These muslim turks went inland up the rivers to the southeastern mountains and intermarried with the Cherokee..............this was four times as many people and 40 years before the Mayflower
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Re: are turks "white"?
a lot of these "hillbillys" are dark skinned thin people often with very blue eyes......very different from the Scots/Irish that later started to come into these mountains in the mid to late 1700s

a couple of USA "hillbilly" people where you can still see the old turk blood are Elvis and Burt Reynolds
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Re: are turks "white"?
They think they are but they are not
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07/28/2012 07:24 AM
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Re: are turks "white"?
They are usually pink.Dusted in white sugar and delightful.
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Re: are turks "white"?
Turks were originally Mongoloid. Look at the people of Central Asia today who were the original Turks. Turkish leaders led small groups of Turkish men into what is now Turkey. They bred with the Byzantine women there. There were red haired blue eyed people in Turkey mostly in Galatia which was settled by celts in the 3rd Century BC. (galatia is the same as Gaul, Gael, Galway, Galicia btw)
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Re: are turks "white"?
what arethey?north african, arab, europe and asia?
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Most turkeys that I have eaten generally have both white and dark meat.
"Everybody lies."
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07/28/2012 07:29 AM
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Re: are turks "white"?
north Africa was "white" until the Arab invasion 1000 years ago, same as Turkey and mediterranean Europe. Look at Circassion people of Syria or Berbers of North Africa.
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Re: are turks "white"?
If they use 'Tide'.
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i like the white part of the turkey
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Re: are turks "white"?
op I have lived here in Turkey for three years-
and who knowa
I think they have always been here and there was no mass migration from central asia.
99 percent of these folks could live in Greece or Italy or France and no one could spot them as being foreigners

DNA investigations -the turks average 8 percent asiatic DNA
[link to www.eupedia.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.politicsforum.org]

it seems that the Turks fled the mongols too
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Re: are turks "white"?
Yes.
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Re: are turks "white"?
Some are whiter than many northern Europeans, Blonde hair, blue eyes etc....remember the Romans were there over 2000 years ago....Many Roman bridges in Turkey are still in use every day.
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Re: are turks "white"?
Turks were originally Mongoloid. Look at the people of Central Asia today who were the original Turks. Turkish leaders led small groups of Turkish men into what is now Turkey. They bred with the Byzantine women there. There were red haired blue eyed people in Turkey mostly in Galatia which was settled by celts in the 3rd Century BC. (galatia is the same as Gaul, Gael, Galway, Galicia btw)
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weren't they mixed with arab/negro blood when the Muslims conquered Turkey? like the the Moors of Spain.
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Re: are turks "white"?
what arethey?north african, arab, europe and asia?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20691859


Do they have google where you live?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15993935


whts that? kidding..just answer the damm question, Skippy!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20691859


what arethey?north african, arab, europe and asia?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20691859


Do they have google where you live?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15993935


whts that? kidding..just answer the damm question, Skippy!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20691859


why does it matter?

I've seen some incredibly beautiful turkish women...

fwiw, Kamil Attaturk had blue eyes

but frankly, what does it matter if they're white or not?

If they weren't, would that make them less worthy of respect ?

just wonderin'
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11/18/2012 06:36 PM
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Re: are turks "white"?
Turks cannot be trusted and will never become part of EU.
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Re: are turks "white"?
Patently false.

Greeks and ancient Anatolians likely had dark features, though there's little evidence. A good source for individual portraits which comes to mind are the portraits on mummy caskets made for Greeks living in Egypt during Roman times. Almond eyes, dark or brown curly hair for the most part. The kind we take to be "Mediterranean."

Turks are NOT Mongolians. They're Turkic in origin, part of a larger group originating in central Asia between the Caspian Sea and China. If you go to places in Afghanistan and Western China you can see people who are blonde with blue eyes, whose ancestors have lived in the highlands uninterrupted for thousands of years.

There's also been a ton of ethnic intermixing among Turks, Greeks, Slavs, Caucasians and everything else for the last thousand or so years. Please don't use this to apply your racial prejudice.
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Re: are turks "white"?
They are usually pink.Dusted in white sugar and delightful.
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now that's quality lolsign
Round 'em up,put 'em in a field and BOMB the bastards!
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Re: are turks "white"?
Turks were originally Mongoloid. Look at the people of Central Asia today who were the original Turks. Turkish leaders led small groups of Turkish men into what is now Turkey. They bred with the Byzantine women there. There were red haired blue eyed people in Turkey mostly in Galatia which was settled by celts in the 3rd Century BC. (galatia is the same as Gaul, Gael, Galway, Galicia btw)
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Youre confused. Lithuania had historical relations with Tatars. And Tatars were Turkic people conquered by Mongols and intermixed. And it was racialy two different groups before conquer-merging.
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Some are whiter than many northern Europeans, Blonde hair, blue eyes etc....remember the Romans were there over 2000 years ago....Many Roman bridges in Turkey are still in use every day.
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The Ottoman penetration into Europe in the 1350s and their capture of Constantinople later in 1453 opened new floodgates for slave-trade from the European front. In their last attempt to overrun Europe in 1683, the Ottoman army, although defeated, returned from the Gates of Vienna with 80,000 captives.874 An immense number of slaves flowed from the Crimea, the Balkans and the steppes of West Asia to Islamic markets. BD Davis laments that the ‘‘Tartars and other Black Sea peoples had sold millions of Ukrainians, Georgians, Circassians, Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians, Slavs and Turks,’’ which received little notice.875 Crimean Tatars enslaved and sold some 1,750,000 Ukrainians, Poles and Russian between 1468 and 1694. 876 According to another estimate, between 1450 and 1700, the Crimean Tatars exported some 10,000 slaves, including some Circassians, annually—that is, some 2,500,000 slaves in all, to the Ottoman Empire.877 The Tatar slave-raiding Khans returned with 18,000 slaves from Poland (1463), 100,000 from Lvov (1498), 60,000 from South Russia (1515), 50,000–100,000 from Galicia (1516), during the ‘harvesting of the steppe.’ Numbers from Moscow (1521), 800,000 were taken and from Valynia (1676), 400,000 were taken. 800,000 from Moscow (1521), 200,000 from South Russia (1555), 100,000 from Moscow (1571), 50,000 from Poland (1612), 60,000 from South Russia (1646), 100,000 from Poland (1648), 300,000 from Ukraine (1654), 400,000 from Valynia (1676) and thousands from Poland (1694). Besides these major catches, they made countless more Jihad raids during the same period, which yielded a few to tens of thousands of slaves.878 These figures of enslavement must be considered in the context that the population of the Tatar Khanate was only about 400,000 at the time. (1463-1694) while sources are incomplete, conservative tabulation of the slave raids against the Eastern European population indicate that at least 7 Million European people-men, women, children were enslaved by Muslims.

Sources suggest that in the few years between 1436-1442, some 500,000 people were seized in the Balkans. Many of the captives died in forced marches towards Anatolia (Turkey). Contemporary chronicles note that the Ottomans reduced masses of the inhabitants of Greece, Romania, and the Balkans to slavery eg from Moree (1460)-70,000 and Transylvania (1438) - 60,000-70,000 and 300,000-600,000 from Hungary and 10,000 from Mytilene/Mitilini on Lesbos island (1462) (Bulgaru p 567) and so it continued.

The vicious destruction of Constantinople in 1453 shows the religious zeal of the Muslims, their hatred of Christians, massacres, destruction and pillage and of course, the enslavement of 50,000-60,000 people!

Turkoman Archer massacre, enslavement, exile, destruction of farming, destruction of trade, depopulation, reduced productivity, and destruction of the normal exchange of knowledge around the Mediterranean and through Christian and Jewish societies, plus colonisation by Muslims---as also occurred in the conquest of Asia Minor. The states of Byzantium, Bulgaria, Serbia...had reached a high level of economic and cultural development before the Muslim attacks.

The conquest of the Balkan peoples was disastrous and for centuries trammelled their normal economic and social development. Yet its described as a blessing for the population (they had the chance to become Muslim) and we are fed lies of peace and economic unity. The Turks didnt have a higher culture or better civic organisationthey were semibarbarian tribes bent of pillage and war, enriching themselves with booty.(estates, slaves, money, jewels) and rendered fanatical by the dogmas of Islam

Even a brief look at the date list in the slavery series, shows the violence and oppression by the Muslims! Byzantine historian Georgius Pachymeres, a contemporary of the events in the 1262-82 invasion north of the meander, (Paphlagonia, Caria in Asia Minor) described the ruination of towns and monasteries, the fleeing population and the conversion of land into a Scythian desert. He notes indiscriminate massacres, large scale enslavement, the merciless crushing of any resistance and the death of the entire male population where people refused to surrender.

The 14th century Ottoman state had only a rudimentary economy with underdeveloped commerce and trades and money was rare. Enslavement served to weaken nations as populations were depleted and moved. Mass enslavements are documented.

The remaining populations were severely exploited peasants who laboured for others and were subjected to excessive taxes and fines. Similarly artisans were needed so, despite the routine massacres and deportations, the military was used to stop people fleeing and force them to remain.




List of Countries who have suffered slavery under Ottoman tyranny: Russia, Ukraine, Greece, Cyprus, Armenia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Croatia, Albania, Slovenia, , Austria, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Lithuania, Italy, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Syria...


i like the white part of the turkey
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lol
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Re: are turks "white"?
"Turks" are actually Turk People,
ergo: they are "Multicoloured Humanoids" from different Origin!

Kurds are different!
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"Turks" are actually Turk People,
ergo: they are "Multicoloured Humanoids" from different Origin!

Kurds are different!
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talking about Turks


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Skizzy.ee

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Re: are turks "white"?
They are Turkic people from Central Asia, related to real Caucasians, not Mongols.

But yeah today everybody is so mixed anyway it is hard to tell anything.... all races will soon disappear anyway and we will all be light brown.
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Re: are turks "white"?
a lot of these "hillbillys" are dark skinned thin people often with very blue eyes......very different from the Scots/Irish that later started to come into these mountains in the mid to late 1700s

a couple of USA "hillbilly" people where you can still see the old turk blood are Elvis and Burt Reynolds
 Quoting: hoot no more/hasheater 20733487

thats damn interesting. Its true they look like turks.
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Re: are turks "white"?
a lot of these "hillbillys" are dark skinned thin people often with very blue eyes......very different from the Scots/Irish that later started to come into these mountains in the mid to late 1700s

a couple of USA "hillbilly" people where you can still see the old turk blood are Elvis and Burt Reynolds
 Quoting: hoot no more/hasheater 20733487

thats damn interesting. Its true they look like turks.
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It's southern European blood not Turkish....

Elvis looks like a typical south Slav.
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Re: are turks "white"?
They are Mongoloids with a bit of white in them. Think Genghis Khan.
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Re: are turks "white"?
If you look at the map you can see the path they migrated from the East to the West. Mongolia-> Uyghurs ->Kazakhstan -> Crimea -> Turkey
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Re: are turks "white"?
damned if I know; you see the original settlers of the USA were turks and we now call them here "hillbillys", strange people that live way back in the mountains in the south.


Way back in 1580, the English pirateer Drake attacked and robbed the Spanish Treasure Fleet as it was rounding Florida after leaveing Mexico{thus causeing the later attack on England by the Spanish Armada}. He captured several big ships and their cargos of gold and silver. He kept 100 spanish sailors to ransom back to Spain, but dumped 500+ P.O.W. galley slaves off on the coast of South Carolina. These POWs mostly had been captured from Turkey in the big sea battle for Malta in 1575. These muslim turks went inland up the rivers to the southeastern mountains and intermarried with the Cherokee..............this was four times as many people and 40 years before the Mayflower
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a lot of these "hillbillys" are dark skinned thin people often with very blue eyes......very different from the Scots/Irish that later started to come into these mountains in the mid to late 1700s

a couple of USA "hillbilly" people where you can still see the old turk blood are Elvis and Burt Reynolds
 Quoting: hoot no more/hasheater 20733487


None of that mumbo jumbo about those dark skinned, blue eyed, straight haired Appalachian white folks is true. DNA has conclusively proved that the Melungeon's Turkish sailor origin is just a myth. They are absolutely the progeny of multi-generational mulattoes, specifically of a strong African male line intermixed with an Irish female line with some native American in minor degrees. Also, you are mistaken in that they were assumed to be of Turkish descent, as the regional folks always claimed to be of Portuguese descent via shipwrecked pirates or sailors. That myth was also proven false by DNA analysis of the main 20 families claiming to be Melungeon original clan lines.

Furthermore, at LEAST one in six Southern whites with ancestry present before the Civil War and especially the American Revolution has discernible African ancestry via race-mixing in the 1500s-1800s. It was so common that Virgina colonial governors passed an anti-miscegenation law in the late 1600s. The indentured white Irish women were so looked down upon that they turned to freed mulatto and African slave men for marriage because of the shortage of available white men of similar social caste. British didn't look highly upon the Irish, remember? The British turned a blind eye because the mulattoes were favored for domesticated duties over the field negroes straight from Africa.

These Melungeons and faux Indian tribes claim any ethnicity BUT African to explain their olive complexions and coarse hair textures when the inevitable "throwback" baby arrives looking blacker than most. Lumbee Indians in the Carolinas are especially guilty of this.

Yes, Elvis, Burt, Johnny Depp, Fiona Apple and a few other famous folks of Appalachian descent are walking examples of what having 1/32 or 1/64 or 1/128th parts African ancestry looks like.

Turks my arse!

They are Turkic people from Central Asia, related to real Caucasians, not Mongols.

But yeah today everybody is so mixed anyway it is hard to tell anything.... all races will soon disappear anyway and we will all be light brown.
 Quoting: Skizzy.ee


This will only happen if something causes the native African populations to disperse all over the diaspora OR something causes Asian and White races to converge upon Africa for some catastrophic reason.

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