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DOOM! Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible. Explained in detail since 18th age.

 
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DOOM! Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible. Explained in detail since 18th age.
Explanation for rotation around principal axis of intermediate inertia dates back to the 18th century when Leonhard Euler derrived equations for dynamics of rigid bodies.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to einstein.stanford.edu]

A body is never stable when spinning about the intermediate principal axis. It was easily seen in space (Skylab, links from the same page).

[link to einstein.stanford.edu]
[link to einstein.stanford.edu]

It was spotted, that bolts from untied cargo are flying in straight direction and suddenly flip, starting to spin in the opposite direction. This flipping was cyclic. V.A.Dzhanibekov was intrigued by this phenomenon and documented it. (no translation, but no need for words there)


[link to www.youtube.com]


[link to www.youtube.com]

It is pure mechanics, law of nature.

Magnetic poles are not stable and reverse their polarity. Is earth's spinning really stable? What are other factors that can make it stable? These questions need really careful consideration.

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Another example and explanation with tennis racket.


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Re: DOOM! Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible. Explained in detail since 18th age.
There's no mainstream secret to the fact that there's been shifts before, and will be again.. what's your point?
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Re: DOOM! Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible. Explained in detail since 18th age.
There's no mainstream secret to the fact that there's been shifts before, and will be again.. what's your point?
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^^^
This.
Also, not a damn thing we can do to stop them, either.

So, this is the only DOOM that I feel I should "worry" about, which it's worthless to worry about something you have zero control over.

Even the "elite" hiding out in bunkers, and what not, they won't make it.
Clean slate for Earth -- I am all for that.

Lesgo.
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There's no mainstream secret to the fact that there's been shifts before, and will be again.. what's your point?
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OPs on about PHYSICAL shifts

the type that can fuck your day up, bad!
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Yea, as much of chance that this country will be spared from the one world government too.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN

Get off the kool-aid
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Re: DOOM! Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible. Explained in detail since 18th age.
There's no mainstream secret to the fact that there's been shifts before, and will be again.. what's your point?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


^^^
This.
Also, not a damn thing we can do to stop them, either.

So, this is the only DOOM that I feel I should "worry" about, which it's worthless to worry about something you have zero control over.

Even the "elite" hiding out in bunkers, and what not, they won't make it.
Clean slate for Earth -- I am all for that.

Lesgo.
 Quoting: digitallydying


There is no way to stop it, and there are ways to survive it. It can be predicted well in advance.

Simulation of this effect.


[link to www.youtube.com]

Movement before shift has a characteristic trajectory. With massive object like Earth there should be warning signs well in advance by observing polar motion.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Earth axis is not stable. It does change periodically with Chandler wobble and constant drift. Constant drift is still largely unknown. In this case it is direct indication of possible pole reversal.

Earth rotation around former axis goes to a complete halt. At that moment axis should be where is now equator and then should start spinning again in the opposite direction.
Bunkers in such event are likely to become graves. Earthquakes should be massive. What might happen with all the oceans, there's no need to guess.

Does anyone have really big Zeppelin? chuckle
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A pole shift IS a reversal.

I love how people think pole shift or reversal means the entire earth is going to flip upside down.

Fucking morons.

All that's going to happen is that for a few months/years your magnetic compass won't work at all, and then eventually, it'll point north to south and south to north.


We'll be more susceptible to CMEs for a period of time, and we'll all get a good bit more cosmic radiation, but we're not going to fry, the earth isn't going to burst into flames, and the world isn't going to end.


Calm the fuck down.
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BTW, the earth has never spun in the opposite direction.

There'd be plenty of proof of that. Fail thread.
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Re: DOOM! Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible. Explained in detail since 18th age.
There's no mainstream secret to the fact that there's been shifts before, and will be again.. what's your point?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


OPs on about PHYSICAL shifts

the type that can fuck your day up, bad!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20298236


Evidence about pole shifts is still inadequate to confirm it without any doubt. This is one part of evidence, real physical effect, explaining how it can happen.

The point is:
1. Awareness that spinning object in space is usually not stable.
2. Main theory is that Moon stabilizes Earth. Precession and axis tilt are well known effects. Earth's rotational momentum in space does not change during reversal. Is Moon's gravity strong enough in reality to counteract this?
3. Earth crust and liquid magma (most of the rotational momentum) can move differently. Can it rearrange itself so that it is not stabilized by Moon? How long does it take to settle down or equalize both movements and is it shorter period than pole reversal itself? Consequences are extremely interesting.
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i love pole shifts, i think we need one
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Re: DOOM! Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible. Explained in detail since 18th age.
It seems you mean a rapid change of the alignment of the earth sphere without a need for Nib aka Planet X. Interesting
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A pole shift IS a reversal.

I love how people think pole shift or reversal means the entire earth is going to flip upside down.

Fucking morons.

All that's going to happen is that for a few months/years your magnetic compass won't work at all, and then eventually, it'll point north to south and south to north.


We'll be more susceptible to CMEs for a period of time, and we'll all get a good bit more cosmic radiation, but we're not going to fry, the earth isn't going to burst into flames, and the world isn't going to end.


Calm the fuck down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19672960


Magnetic reversal may be different. It is explained through core changes (still theories, not complete explanations) as there are other factors. Von Karman sodium experiment one of these illustrations.

[link to arxiv.org]


Pole shift or polar motion is earth's crust shifting along rotational axis. It is happening all the time. It is so slow that at this rate there is no need to worry about it.

[link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

The question is does this rate change and how. Slow drift is still largely unknown.
Reversal should be exactly flipping upside down.

BTW, the earth has never spun in the opposite direction.

There'd be plenty of proof of that. Fail thread.
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What are possible proofs that can be left by sun rising in the West and setting in the East? This evidence should survive long periods.
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Re: DOOM! Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible. Explained in detail since 18th age.
Earth axis is measured all the time and has a long history (in human lifetime scales at least).

"The orientation of the Earth’s axis relative to space and its rotational velocity are currently established in a complicated process that involves 30 radio telescopes around the globe. Every Monday and Thursday, eight to twelve of these telescopes alternately measure the direction between Earth and specific quasars. Scientists assume that these galaxy nuclei never change their position and can therefore be used as reference points."

Now there is another way to measure it.

"A group with researchers at the Technical University of Munich (TUM) are the first to plot changes in the Earth’s axis through laboratory measurements. To do this, they constructed the world’s most stable ring laser in an underground lab and used it to determine changes in the Earth’s rotation. Previously, scientists were only able to track shifts in the polar axis indirectly by monitoring fixed objects in space."

[link to portal.mytum.de]
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"Between 1990 and 1996, the aparrant drift is about .025 as. In 1996 a decided shift appears with the X Max (outer edge of the red in 1996 of about .025 as since the X Max in 1990. This is a fairly rapid new escalation in the rate of drift."

"The spiral wobble reached maximum size in 1996 and looked normal until 1998 when it hit a bump which caused a dent (which can be seen in the bottom) of the wobble for unknown reasons. Since then the wobble has tightened up into an unusually small circular size and seems to be undergoing another 1930's style radical downsizing and phase-shifting."

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My pole just shifted. wtf
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Pole movement is available online. It is without data before 1962.
[link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

Movement in spiral is slowly drifting to one side. Pole movement is extremely slow process (thousands of years or much more). Throughout all measurement history since the beginning of 1900s there is not enough data to estimate relationships and laws for slow drift.

Pole movement 1995-2000
[link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

Pole movement 2000-2005
[link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

Pole movement 2005-2012
[link to hpiers.obspm.fr]
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Re: DOOM! Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible. Explained in detail since 18th age.
Explanation about rotational inertia by Richard Garriott.


[link to www.youtube.com]
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Re: DOOM! Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible. Explained in detail since 18th age.
It seems you mean a rapid change of the alignment of the earth sphere without a need for Nib aka Planet X. Interesting
 Quoting: Common Venus 20804246


just the magnetic of earth trying to align themselves with those of sun since they have predicted that sun magnetic poles will be switching around even maybe into quadrupoles... search the archive it has been discussed before. no need for planet X only the other site believe in that because their old mother told them so.
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Re: DOOM! Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible. Explained in detail since 18th age.
History is revisited, with corrections made in the initial post.

Another video, "Rotating Solid Bodies in Microgravity".


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Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible.
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Hmm? How is it theoretical? They have evidence of plenty of shifts in the past, due to the magnetic alignment of crap that gets buried and such.
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Re: DOOM! Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible. Explained in detail since 18th age.
A pole shift IS a reversal.

I love how people think pole shift or reversal means the entire earth is going to flip upside down.

Fucking morons.

All that's going to happen is that for a few months/years your magnetic compass won't work at all, and then eventually, it'll point north to south and south to north.


We'll be more susceptible to CMEs for a period of time, and we'll all get a good bit more cosmic radiation, but we're not going to fry, the earth isn't going to burst into flames, and the world isn't going to end.


Calm the fuck down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19672960




Calm the fuk down he says!

1rof1
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Pole shift leading to reversal is theoretically possible.
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Hmm? How is it theoretical? They have evidence of plenty of shifts in the past, due to the magnetic alignment of crap that gets buried and such.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


There are lots of causes that can lead to extinctions, something burred instantly. Earthquake, volcano, meteorite just naming the few. Hardly all mass extinction instances are sorted out correctly. Magnetic field changes do not correlate with mass extinctions, so it may have other process related to the core (VKS experiment in the link above).

Evidence about earth axis is magnetic alignment of rock structure that shows slow drift (continents drift too) and magnetic field flip. As it is connected to the magnetic field, this evidence is highly inconclusive.

Pole movement is reality, pole shift (much faster) is theoretical as Earth must meet certain criteria for it to happen. It must be asymmetric and rotate along certain axis. The most precise spheres GP-B made by man (precision down to 40 atoms) are not ideal and show polhode movement. Earth is far from ideal. It is approximately ellipsoid with larger radius near equator. This may not be enough, but there are other asymmetries. Earth mass is distributed unevenly. It can be seen from earth's gravity.


[link to www.youtube.com]

Chandler wobble was initially based on axis misalignment. With liquid interior of Earth this movement should have stopped as losses in liquid dampen this movement changing rotation closer and closer to a stable axis. Rotation should become stable (like in video above). It is not happening in reality. There are external influences. Pressure changes influence it according to Richard Gross.

[link to www.jpl.nasa.gov]

A lot is not known about interior of Earth. Slow drift is unexplained. What are forces that counteract changing of crust's form? What are limits for drift acceleration? The mystery remains until proven otherwise.

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