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Question for Christians: If you don't have an eternal soul until you accept Jesus as your only Lord & Savior, what goes to hell forever?

 
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Re: Question for Christians: If you don't have an eternal soul until you accept Jesus as your only Lord & Savior, what goes to hell forever?
None of these posts really answer my question. They're just quotes that don't really have any proper context or explanation.

According to the Bible.

John 3:16
New International Version (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

So if you do not have eternal life prior to that, how can you spend eternal life in Hell if you did not have it before?

If you did have it before, why does John 3:16 say that you only get eternal life after believing in the only Son?

Can anyone answer this question without posting a huge long quote?
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Like I tried to say before (maybe my user id changed), nobody spends eternal life in hell because this is not eternal life, but eternal death (and eternal perishing). Eternal life can only be spent in heaven.

Try to understand this way: if christians have "eternal life", why does their body die? It would be a similar apparent contradiction.

Furthening my answer: how can souls spend eternity in hell if they die? They'll be ressurrected (their bodies) before the white throne judgement, they'll be ressurected with indestructible bodies, judged and then sent to an eternal death (to perish eternally) separated from God. This is very sad, and we can't comprehend how much sad and suffering this is, but this is what explains your doubt, i think.
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Re: Question for Christians: If you don't have an eternal soul until you accept Jesus as your only Lord & Savior, what goes to hell forever?
if you are really interested in studying the bible the best advice anyone can really give you is firstly even if you don't believe in christianity Jesus will guide you if you truly ask him, so firstly pray that he should guide you to the truth and help you understand. Secondly find a real bible not the N.I.V because it was translated to lead people away from the truth go back to the king james (not New king james) and finally do a search for the word hell through the whole bible you can even do it online. The bible isn't meant to be taken out of context so in the particular verse your refering too, shall not perish would mean Not go too hell....its pretty simple
when you die in sin you are considered twice dead so that means if you die being faithful to God you receive everlasting life or eternal life
also real christians don't call other people a moron the bible teaches you shouldn't even call your brother a fool....riiight? (don't mean you op)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13370017


All translations of John 3:16 basically say the same thing, regardless of the version. I checked that already.

The arguments are pretty strong. It says " but have eternal life ". Something that is attained in the future. Elsewhere in the Bible it talks about the "Gift of Eternal Life". Something given later on.

If you go to hell forever, that's still eternal life. It's eternal life in hell.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


I saw this post after my previous answer. But I think I touched this subject.

There's no eternal life in hell but eternal detah (=separation from God) and eternal perishing. Eternal life only in Heaven. (Because life in the bible = communion with God, belonging to God, this is the real meaning of life).

We don't perish now (even tough we're born sinners) because God has mercy on us so we can live for a time so we can hear the Gospel and be saved, or else we would have no life, since the sin makes separation between us and God.

The Gift of Eternal Life is given at the present time, when a person believes Jesus Christ, as can be seen on:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." (John 6:47)

hath = has (present tense).

This is not so clear from John 3:16, that's why I quoted this verse. This present tense can be seen in other verses too:

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:36)

Again we see has (hath) eternal life in the present tense.

Our bodies will perish because they still have sin (God doesn't remove the sinful nature of our bodies, we're affected instantaneously in the spirit, gradually in the soul, and will be cleaned of sin in the body at the ressurection (a time into the future). Each component of the human being (spirit, soul and body) is transformed at different times and time intervals.
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Re: Question for Christians: If you don't have an eternal soul until you accept Jesus as your only Lord & Savior, what goes to hell forever?
when men wrote the bible to control other men, they were aiming it at the more gullible, who weren't bright enough to question them.

and philosophy doesn't come into account with religious dogma, theology deals with such matters.

one can philosophise over the state of mind interred in the religious, and the motives of those who interred it, but not religion itself, which deals in matters of pure and part fiction, intended to alter the behaviour of the indoctrinated.
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Re: Question for Christians: If you don't have an eternal soul until you accept Jesus as your only Lord & Savior, what goes to hell forever?
what the hell are you talking about? I dont think a single Christian theologian has ever made the claim that we dont have souls before we accept Christ?

Do you know anything about Christianity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18942840


Find me ONE verse in the bible that says ALL MEN live forever.

There is none.

The wicked DIE..the SOUL that sins..shall...DIE.

Second death means SECOND DEATH..NOT second LIFE.

ONE verse..JUST ONE..that SPECIFICALLY STATES that the WICKED LIVE FOREVER.

Bet you cant find ONE.

Cause there ARE none..ive already looked.

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