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They concluded:

Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the hostís immune Ďsystemí by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass systemís self-organized criticality.

The authors also reported that injection of the damaged CD4+ cells into the autoimmune disease-safe mice transferred the damage to them. The implications of that are huge. It means that no one suffering from an autoimmune disorder should be allowed to donate blood, because they could also be donating their diseases.

[link to gaia-health.com]
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They concluded:

Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the hostís immune Ďsystemí by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass systemís self-organized criticality.

The authors also reported that injection of the damaged CD4+ cells into the autoimmune disease-safe mice transferred the damage to them. The implications of that are huge. It means that no one suffering from an autoimmune disorder should be allowed to donate blood, because they could also be donating their diseases.

[link to gaia-health.com]
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Fortunately a number of people with autoimmune disease are taking drugs or are so anemic they can't donate. Glad you posted this article. I'd like to see a followup of recipients who received blood from donors with an autoimmune disease to see if they developed the same or another autoimmune disease.
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I'm sorry is that the best you got to refute this? Some silly little flags hmmm

You didn't even read the study.
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Chronic disease is the end result of vaccinations
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They concluded:

Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the hostís immune Ďsystemí by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass systemís self-organized criticality.

The authors also reported that injection of the damaged CD4+ cells into the autoimmune disease-safe mice transferred the damage to them. The implications of that are huge. It means that no one suffering from an autoimmune disorder should be allowed to donate blood, because they could also be donating their diseases.

[link to gaia-health.com]
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Fortunately a number of people with autoimmune disease are taking drugs or are so anemic they can't donate. Glad you posted this article. I'd like to see a followup of recipients who received blood from donors with an autoimmune disease to see if they developed the same or another autoimmune disease.
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I think that part was perhaps the scariest thing I've read in a long time, that such has the possibility to be passed on through blood transfusions.
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I'm sorry is that the best you got to refute this? Some silly little flags hmmm

You didn't even read the study.
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Don't need to. Every time one of those ridiculous 'studies' are published they are shot down by real scientists. And that's not an opinion, it's scientific fact. Not silly pseudoscience hacked together by amateurs with an agenda.
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Vaccinations are the perfect depopulation method.

The information is out there. Parents too lazy to read up willingly injur their children. It is the NWO disclaimer since they give you a choice. The idiots take them and the smart ones live on with no problems. Perfect.

So a dumb parent sticks 15 mercury laden needles in their child by 5 years old...I call that willfull genetic suicide. It's hard to believe anyone could be that stupid but there you have it. Bye bye to the retards. More room for us smart folks.
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I'm sorry is that the best you got to refute this? Some silly little flags hmmm

You didn't even read the study.
 Quoting: Fhirinne


Don't need to. Every time one of those ridiculous 'studies' are published they are shot down by real scientists. And that's not an opinion, it's scientific fact. Not silly pseudoscience hacked together by amateurs with an agenda.
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Of course you need to! I think when you say Real scientists you mean those on the pharma pay roll and like such people as Paul Offit!

I love you pro vaccine folk you talk about science is needed to understand all this and then when you are given it you side step the facts with the same ole BS you people always talk of and thats to accuse people like me and others of pseudoscience.

[link to www.plosone.org]

Why don't you read it and give me your take on it eh.

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They concluded:

Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the hostís immune Ďsystemí by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass systemís self-organized criticality.

The authors also reported that injection of the damaged CD4+ cells into the autoimmune disease-safe mice transferred the damage to them. The implications of that are huge. It means that no one suffering from an autoimmune disorder should be allowed to donate blood, because they could also be donating their diseases.

[link to gaia-health.com]
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Their diseases?

You mean the diseases that they were vaccinated with...

by force, generally children even if they can speak "No" still get the shots.
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Vaccinations are the perfect depopulation method.

The information is out there. Parents too lazy to read up willingly injur their children. It is the NWO disclaimer since they give you a choice. The idiots take them and the smart ones live on with no problems. Perfect.

So a dumb parent sticks 15 mercury laden needles in their child by 5 years old...I call that willfull genetic suicide. It's hard to believe anyone could be that stupid but there you have it. Bye bye to the retards. More room for us smart folks.
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What if the father knows better?

Let the mother destroy the son/daughter's good genes? Cause she may be or had been on drugs?
"what would you do if you, knew all the things we knew. Would you stand up for truth, or would you turn and walk away"
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Here are two incontrovertible facts:

1. There has never been a case of autism in a non-vaccinated child.

2. All cases of autism have happened in vaccinated children.

Use one IQ point to do the math.

Again, these are medical facts in the library of Congress. Shunnin' the deniers.
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They concluded:

Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the hostís immune Ďsystemí by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass systemís self-organized criticality.

The authors also reported that injection of the damaged CD4+ cells into the autoimmune disease-safe mice transferred the damage to them. The implications of that are huge. It means that no one suffering from an autoimmune disorder should be allowed to donate blood, because they could also be donating their diseases.

[link to gaia-health.com]
 Quoting: Fhirinne


Their diseases?

You mean the diseases that they were vaccinated with...

by force, generally children even if they can speak "No" still get the shots.
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No doubt yes but they is talking about these damaged immune cells.
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From the American Red Cross regarding donor eligbility under the section about Cancer patients:

"Eligibility depends on the type of cancer and treatment history. If you had leukemia or lymphoma, including Hodgkinís Disease and other cancers of the blood, you are not eligible to donate. Other types of cancer are acceptable if the cancer has been treated successfully and it has been more than 12 months since treatment was completed and there has been no cancer recurrence in this time. Lower risk in-situ cancers including squamous or basal cell cancers of the skin that have been completely removed do not require a 12 month waiting period.

Precancerous conditions of the uterine cervix do not disqualify you from donation if the abnormality has been treated successfully. You should discuss your particular situation with the health historian at the time of donation."

[link to www.redcrossblood.org]


The reason they don't allow them to donate unless they've been succesfully treated and 12 months out is that leukemia and lymphoma cells (lymphocyte cells) can infect the donor. So why can't abnormal CD4 lymphocytes cause autoimmune disease in the recipient?

The lymphocytes in donor blood are still alive, so for that reason irradiation of blood units is often used to kill them before giving the blood to immunocompomised patients that can't fight off the invading donor lymphocytes. Its called Graft-versus-Host Disease.

So yes I can see where this is a valid possibility that an autoimmune disease could be transferred to the recipent.
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Some of the chronically sickest people I know have faithfully had all their vaccinations and get the flu shot every year. Myself, I avoid western medicine and drugs and haven't been sick in a very very long time.
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Here are the facts. Vaccines destroy children. Infant mortality rates in vaccinated kids quadruple that of non-vaccinated kids.

Idiots vaccinate.
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Here are two made up facts that have no basis in reality:

1. There has never been a case of autism in a non-vaccinated child.

2. All cases of autism have happened in vaccinated children.

Use one IQ point to do the math. I only have one IQ point, hence how I was able to come to such a retarded conclusion

Again, these are medical facts in the library of Dumbgress. Shunnin' the deniers/intelligent people.
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Fixed for ya.
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Here are two made up facts that have no basis in reality:

1. There has never been a case of autism in a non-vaccinated child.

2. All cases of autism have happened in vaccinated children.

Use one IQ point to do the math. I only have one IQ point, hence how I was able to come to such a retarded conclusion

Again, these are medical facts in the library of Dumbgress. Shunnin' the deniers/intelligent people.
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Fixed for ya.
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Have you read it yet or are you too busy been Jim'll Fix It?
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Here are the facts. Vaccines destroy children. Infant mortality rates in vaccinated kids quadruple that of non-vaccinated kids.

Idiots vaccinate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1536391


People who don't vaccinate, have ill kids.

To go over the initial post and the article on gaiahealth, they seem to have very conveniently glossed completely over the findings and conclusions of the study.
Namely that REPEATED delivery of antigens can suppress the autoimmune response in MICE.
Looking at the results it seems that these antigens where given multiple high doses over a short period of time. Something which doesn't happen to us.
It really doesn't take a medical genius to figure out that this would inevitably be systemically negative.
Excellent selective scaremongering, sorry, reporting from gaia there.
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Here are the facts. Vaccines destroy children. Infant mortality rates in vaccinated kids quadruple that of non-vaccinated kids.

Idiots vaccinate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1536391


People who don't vaccinate, have ill kids.

To go over the initial post and the article on gaiahealth, they seem to have very conveniently glossed completely over the findings and conclusions of the study.
Namely that REPEATED delivery of antigens can suppress the autoimmune response in MICE.
Looking at the results it seems that these antigens where given multiple high doses over a short period of time. Something which doesn't happen to us.
It really doesn't take a medical genius to figure out that this would inevitably be systemically negative.
Excellent selective scaremongering, sorry, reporting from gaia there.
 Quoting: Cahill


Unfortunately the anti-vaccination people won't listen to cold hard facts. They have an idea in their head that vaccines are evil and they will continue to choose believing in this against all evidence to the contrary.

I believe this stems from a need for community. Anti-vaccine idiots get together, feel like they're fighting an evil enemy etc. It's little more than another religion.
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Here are the facts. Vaccines destroy children. Infant mortality rates in vaccinated kids quadruple that of non-vaccinated kids.

Idiots vaccinate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1536391


People who don't vaccinate, have ill kids.

To go over the initial post and the article on gaiahealth, they seem to have very conveniently glossed completely over the findings and conclusions of the study.
Namely that REPEATED delivery of antigens can suppress the autoimmune response in MICE.
Looking at the results it seems that these antigens where given multiple high doses over a short period of time. Something which doesn't happen to us.
It really doesn't take a medical genius to figure out that this would inevitably be systemically negative.
Excellent selective scaremongering, sorry, reporting from gaia there.
 Quoting: Cahill


I'm sorry to say it but humans are been given bigger does of antigens, they now have a 5 in 1 vaccine.
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Here are the facts. Vaccines destroy children. Infant mortality rates in vaccinated kids quadruple that of non-vaccinated kids.

Idiots vaccinate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1536391


People who don't vaccinate, have ill kids.

To go over the initial post and the article on gaiahealth, they seem to have very conveniently glossed completely over the findings and conclusions of the study.
Namely that REPEATED delivery of antigens can suppress the autoimmune response in MICE.
Looking at the results it seems that these antigens where given multiple high doses over a short period of time. Something which doesn't happen to us.
It really doesn't take a medical genius to figure out that this would inevitably be systemically negative.
Excellent selective scaremongering, sorry, reporting from gaia there.
 Quoting: Cahill


Unfortunately the anti-vaccination people won't listen to cold hard facts. They have an idea in their head that vaccines are evil and they will continue to choose believing in this against all evidence to the contrary.

I believe this stems from a need for community. Anti-vaccine idiots get together, feel like they're fighting an evil enemy etc. It's little more than another religion.
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You know you people always talk like the book is closed on this one and its not! Only a fool would think such a thing.
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to the levels that surpass systemís self-organized criticality.



LOL???
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to the levels that surpass systemís self-organized criticality.

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LOL???


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Hmm not sure what happened there I have the last part of what you said in my post hmm

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Here are the facts. Vaccines destroy children. Infant mortality rates in vaccinated kids quadruple that of non-vaccinated kids.

Idiots vaccinate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1536391


People who don't vaccinate, have ill kids.

To go over the initial post and the article on gaiahealth, they seem to have very conveniently glossed completely over the findings and conclusions of the study.
Namely that REPEATED delivery of antigens can suppress the autoimmune response in MICE.
Looking at the results it seems that these antigens where given multiple high doses over a short period of time. Something which doesn't happen to us.
It really doesn't take a medical genius to figure out that this would inevitably be systemically negative.
Excellent selective scaremongering, sorry, reporting from gaia there.
 Quoting: Cahill


I'm sorry to say it but humans are been given bigger does of antigens, they now have a 5 in 1 vaccine.
 Quoting: Fhirinne


I know.
Both of my extremely healthy and non-autistic children had it.
They're well because the vaccine was given ONCE at minimal dose, not at the levels in that study and are all separate antigens, not like in the study where only the same one was given REPEATEDLY AT HIGH DOSES.
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Here are the facts. Vaccines destroy children. Infant mortality rates in vaccinated kids quadruple that of non-vaccinated kids.

Idiots vaccinate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1536391


People who don't vaccinate, have ill kids.

To go over the initial post and the article on gaiahealth, they seem to have very conveniently glossed completely over the findings and conclusions of the study.
Namely that REPEATED delivery of antigens can suppress the autoimmune response in MICE.
Looking at the results it seems that these antigens where given multiple high doses over a short period of time. Something which doesn't happen to us.
It really doesn't take a medical genius to figure out that this would inevitably be systemically negative.
Excellent selective scaremongering, sorry, reporting from gaia there.
 Quoting: Cahill


I'm sorry to say it but humans are been given bigger does of antigens, they now have a 5 in 1 vaccine.
 Quoting: Fhirinne


I know.
Both of my extremely healthy and non-autistic children had it.
They're well because the vaccine was given ONCE at minimal dose, not at the levels in that study and are all separate antigens, not like in the study where only the same one was given REPEATEDLY AT HIGH DOSES.
 Quoting: Cahill


I believe they are on to something with this and this study is not the first of its kind there are countless others pointing towards the link bewtween vaccines and autoimmune diseases. it's also perhaps the reason why so many people are having egg allergies.

And have to admit a better study on this one would be a longer duration to the study and space the vaccines out to match the intake of the human vaccine schedule which is I think in the US 34? before the age of 6.

Also its worth noting in this study that the GMO mice used still showed signs of autoimmunity. So what happens in the mice in a short time will happen to humans in the long term.

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They kept putting antigens into mice, deliberately to cause an autoimmune response, then said, "Oh look! An autoimmune response! How unexpected!" This is bad science.
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