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BREAKING: NASA release photos of the US flag on the Moon...

 
Anonymous Coward
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there's just no way, they had no idea what sort of radiation they'd be exposed to on the other side of the belts,
 Quoting: UK Coward 20739758

Both the USA and the Soviets had send probes to the Moon before any manned mission beyond the VABs.
It was NOT an unknown environment.

the belts act as a form of shield that help soak up cosmic radiation.
 Quoting: UK Coward 20739758

Only the low energetic charged particle radiation, not the high energetic cosmic rays, and certainly not anything in EM like x-rays.
So, mostly solar protons and electrons.

They had no aluminum shielding. They walked around on the moon and they should have been fried
 Quoting: UK Coward 20739758

It's spelt aluminium.

What are the types and fluxes of radiation on the surface of the Moon?
How much shielding did the suits provide?
What was the duration of the exposure?

Without answers to these questions "should have" is just an uneducated guess.
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This is proof of nothing.
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popcorn
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Heh, debunk this Moon tards:



Four decades after the last astronauts landed on the moon and planted an American flag in lunar soil, scientists wondered: 'Does that star spangled banner yet wave?'

Finally new images from NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC) have given proof in the night, that the flags are, indeed, still there.

All but one of the six flags left by American astronauts remain standing, according to an analysis of the shadows they cast on the surface of the moon.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20739758


bs the flag shadow is not that big even in photos with the flag, how is is going to be that big from higher up? Let the BS flags rain down on this BS.
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Bump for BS!
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Moon landings? Another series of protracted lies and larceny courtesy of the U.S. Military - which officially assumed full command and operational control of NASA during the eighties, but really and truly has held it since NASA's inception. Gus Grissom and his crew were murdered when Gus started questioning the bullshit at the heart of the program.
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In what universe does it make any sense to kill three to silence one and do it in the most public way possible that almost gets the entire program shut down? Did they run out of people who knew how to sabotage brakelines?
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somebody else bring this moron up to date
 Quoting: st.just 20910660


so you counter valid questions not with explanations or facts (since you can't) but with insults. Typical.
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I can now reveal the results of the test - Cheese Sammiches would'nt last long enough to be eaten on the Moon.

Unless say,you were to design some smaller Lunar Space-suits for the Sammiches,you would still have a problem eating the Sammiches on the Moon as-as soon as you take out the aforementioned Cheese Sammich from its' Tiny Lunar Space-suit it would begin to Melt and then there would be the problem of trying to eat it,we concluded that in order to prevent the Astronaught repeatedly squashing their Sammich on their Vizors in perpetuity before a Global Audience of 6,they would need to be trained to align perfectly the Atoms of the Sammiches with those of the Vizor in order that the above not become of Dire and potentially Lethal consequence.
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OP can no way in hell, believe this crock of shit
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I can now reveal the results of the test - Cheese Sammiches would'nt last long enough to be eaten on the Moon.

Unless say,you were to design some smaller Lunar Space-suits for the Sammiches,you would still have a problem eating the Sammiches on the Moon as-as soon as you take out the aforementioned Cheese Sammich from its' Tiny Lunar Space-suit it would begin to Melt and then there would be the problem of trying to eat it,we concluded that in order to prevent the Astronaught repeatedly squashing their Sammich on their Vizors in perpetuity before a Global Audience of 6,they would need to be trained to align perfectly the Atoms of the Sammiches with those of the Vizor in order that the above not become of Dire and potentially Lethal consequence.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


I think you're on to something here. Food has caused more issues in the space program than any other problem

It is my understanding that the reason Pepsi is not as popular as Coke is because they took it in to space on Apollo 13. Yep, that's right, the Pepsi storage locker, just below the heat shield is what went kaboom!
They will never publicly admit it, but those folks at NAZA have been slowly eroding the good name of Pepsi all these years.

True story.
It's all about the 'vibe'
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Re: BREAKING: NASA release photos of the US flag on the Moon...
My question is why is the shadow of the "Flag" facing the wrong direction where the sun is coming from... look at the shadows on all the other objects and what direction they're going.
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My question is why is the shadow of the "Flag" facing the wrong direction where the sun is coming from... look at the shadows on all the other objects and what direction they're going.
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Also that shadow is fucking huge for a flag shadow.
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Russia and China would "tell on the usa?"?????? Who would report that? Who was gonna believe them??? in 1969???? the ptb needed a BIG LIE to keep the plan moving. Why no Moon Rover????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20557285


how come russia or china not on the moon by now?

tells me its was a massive hoax, or somthing is there warned us to stay away.
 Quoting: diveplane


in reality, it looks pretty far-fetched. something that easy, everyone would have done it by now.
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bump
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BREAKING: NASA releases photos of the US fag on the Moon... ????

Buzz Aldrin's a fudge packer???
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Heh, debunk this Moon tards:



Four decades after the last astronauts landed on the moon and planted an American flag in lunar soil, scientists wondered: 'Does that star spangled banner yet wave?'

Finally new images from NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC) have given proof in the night, that the flags are, indeed, still there.

All but one of the six flags left by American astronauts remain standing, according to an analysis of the shadows they cast on the surface of the moon.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
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never a straight answer ,never a real picture,debunked.
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there's just no way, they had no idea what sort of radiation they'd be exposed to on the other side of the belts,
 Quoting: UK Coward 20739758

Both the USA and the Soviets had send probes to the Moon before any manned mission beyond the VABs.
It was NOT an unknown environment.

the belts act as a form of shield that help soak up cosmic radiation.
 Quoting: UK Coward 20739758

Only the low energetic charged particle radiation, not the high energetic cosmic rays, and certainly not anything in EM like x-rays.
So, mostly solar protons and electrons.

They had no aluminum shielding. They walked around on the moon and they should have been fried
 Quoting: UK Coward 20739758

It's spelt aluminium.

What are the types and fluxes of radiation on the surface of the Moon?
How much shielding did the suits provide?
What was the duration of the exposure?

Without answers to these questions "should have" is just an uneducated guess.
book


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I love while you are correcting his spelling of "aluminum" you say he "spelt" it wrong LMAO!.

spelt is a form of wheat

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I think you were looking for "spelled" it wrong.

you can spell aluminum either way:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I love while you are correcting his spelling of "aluminum" you say he "spelt" it wrong LMAO!.

spelt is a form of wheat

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I think you were looking for "spelled" it wrong.
 Quoting: USian Coward 6545575

Spelt: [link to dictionary.reference.com]

My spell checker is set the the Queen's English.
It's after all what I learnt in school.

you can spell aluminum either way:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: USian Coward 6545575

My spell checker says no.
I was going by his/her flag.
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This picture is in fact one of the moons going round nibiru which will come close to the earth in a week or two.

Wake up shills...
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Heh, debunk this Moon tards

DUDE, if you were to post a pixel such as this of your brain should we believe you have one? Just because you have a bulge in the crotch of your pants does not mean you're not fond of cucumbers.
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Heh, debunk this Moon tards:



Four decades after the last astronauts landed on the moon and planted an American flag in lunar soil, scientists wondered: 'Does that star spangled banner yet wave?'

Finally new images from NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC) have given proof in the night, that the flags are, indeed, still there.

All but one of the six flags left by American astronauts remain standing, according to an analysis of the shadows they cast on the surface of the moon.

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20739758


bsmeter
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Moon landings? Another series of protracted lies and larceny courtesy of the U.S. Military - which officially assumed full command and operational control of NASA during the eighties, but really and truly has held it since NASA's inception. Gus Grissom and his crew were murdered when Gus started questioning the bullshit at the heart of the program.
 Quoting: st.just 20910660


In what universe does it make any sense to kill three to silence one and do it in the most public way possible that almost gets the entire program shut down? Did they run out of people who knew how to sabotage brakelines?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14143765


somebody else bring this moron up to date
 Quoting: st.just 20910660


so you counter valid questions not with explanations or facts (since you can't) but with insults. Typical.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14143765


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I do have one question though. How did they get through the Van Allen belts? How did they deal with all the unknown types of cosmic radiation and come back alive and cancer-free? China and Russia could never find a way to get through the belts.
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China has announced that they plan to send a man to the moon.
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bs. I do not believe that it is not possible to capture a decent picture of the flag on the moon. They can not get a decent picture for a simple reason: THERE IS NO FLAG ON THE MOON. We're idiots or something?
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how dare you take that away from us and the hard working Americans that did everything they possibly could to get our man on the moon first! We were in fact there, what we saw there may be a cover up, but we were there!
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damn you're stupid
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bs. I do not believe that it is not possible to capture a decent picture of the flag on the moon. They can not get a decent picture for a simple reason: THERE IS NO FLAG ON THE MOON. We're idiots or something?
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true! we can get higher definition pictures of europa... so the moon pictures are all bs.

JFK got his ass kicked because of the moon project!

he was about to disclose the roswell incident!
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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bs. I do not believe that it is not possible to capture a decent picture of the flag on the moon. They can not get a decent picture for a simple reason: THERE IS NO FLAG ON THE MOON. We're idiots or something?
 Quoting: salwensko 1318168

true! we can get higher definition pictures of europa... so the moon pictures are all bs.
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We can?

Please show pictures from Europa that show 0.1 metre sized objects.

JFK got his ass kicked because of the moon project!
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he was about to disclose the roswell incident!
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Are you playing Conspiracy Theory Go Fish?
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bs. I do not believe that it is not possible to capture a decent picture of the flag on the moon. They can not get a decent picture for a simple reason: THERE IS NO FLAG ON THE MOON. We're idiots or something?
 Quoting: salwensko 1318168

true! we can get higher definition pictures of europa... so the moon pictures are all bs.
 Quoting: monsterrun

We can?

Please show pictures from Europa that show 0.1 metre sized objects.

JFK got his ass kicked because of the moon project!
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he was about to disclose the roswell incident!
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Are you playing Conspiracy Theory Go Fish?
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To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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In what universe does it make any sense to kill three to silence one and do it in the most public way possible that almost gets the entire program shut down? Did they run out of people who knew how to sabotage brakelines?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14143765


somebody else bring this moron up to date
 Quoting: st.just 20910660


so you counter valid questions not with explanations or facts (since you can't) but with insults. Typical.
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feedtroll
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The moon landings are/were a hoax and has long been debunked. Your evidence is crap and you as a promoter of it traffic in crap. Since you and the rest of you science-challenged goofballs never counter with real science I'm going to assume you're Military or some type of cop or government shill. Anyway, go find a fool who'll fuck you because all you're doing is jerkin it, here. Fucking pigtroll.
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somebody else bring this moron up to date
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so you counter valid questions not with explanations or facts (since you can't) but with insults. Typical.
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feedtroll
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The moon landings are/were a hoax and has long been debunked. Your evidence is crap and you as a promoter of it traffic in crap. Since you and the rest of you science-challenged goofballs never counter with real science I'm going to assume you're Military or some type of cop or government shill. Anyway, go find a fool who'll fuck you because all you're doing is jerkin it, here. Fucking pigtroll.
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i did not target you... did you felt targeted?
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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bs. I do not believe that it is not possible to capture a decent picture of the flag on the moon.
 Quoting: salwensko 1318168

true! we can get higher definition pictures of europa... so the moon pictures are all bs.
 Quoting: monsterrun

We can?

Please show pictures from Europa that show 0.1 metre sized objects.
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[link to lightsinthedark.files.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: monsterrun

You seem to think Europa is the size of a blimp.

The shadow we are discussing is at best half a metre long.
Do you actually know what the word resolution means?
The LROC images are the highest resolution images ever made by an orbiter of a non-terrestrial surface.
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What they ACTUALLY did was fly into low earth orbit, and orbit earth for 8 days, much as the Space Shuttles used to do.
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So NASA can make spacecraft invisible?

In hoaxie-land NASA can do anything except fly people to the Moon.

THREE WORDS:

FRONT SCREEN PROJECTION.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1248699

One word: Reflection.

Front screen projection gets you rather bizarre results if the subjects in the frame are highly reflective.

If you could provide an explanation for the inconsistencies, lies, half truths, and coverups, we'd love to hear it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1248699

You mean the confabulations, misinterpretations, misunderstandings, and lies perpetrated by the hoax proponents?
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Our sats. can read a licence plate number from miles in space
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I'm sure the spooks will be happy to know that their Hollywood shills have been successful in spreading this myth.
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that was always my biggest question! the suits were not designed to shield radiation at all,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18034912

Pray tell, what is shielding?
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tells a different story, Explorer 1 found a lethal band of radiation, around Earth, named now, Van Allen's Belt.
 Quoting: SaveAmericaFightNWO

The ghost of Dr. Van Allen tells me you are a fibber.
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NASA is trolling

It could not be anymore obvious. A trolling psyop to stoke the moon conspiracy fires.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527

Hoaxies don't really show up on NASA's radar, they are irrelevant.

The LRO's mission is to map the Moon, getting nice pictures of historical landing sites is just a bonus.
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Russia and China would "tell on the usa?"?????? Who would report that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20557285

TASS, India Times, etc.

The Soviets followed Apollo with keen interest.
They tracked the ships to the Moon and back.
If they had any doubts they would have send a Lunakhod to one of the Apollo landing sites to acquire evidence.

Who was gonna believe them??? in 1969????
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People llike you.

Why no Moon Rover????
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American politicians lost interest in the Moon immediately after the success of Apollo XI.
For them it was never about going to the Moon, it was about upstaging the Soviet Union, Apollo XI was mission accomplished.
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Ok, who knocked over the one flag that wasn't standing? Hmmmm? hMmmmmmmmmmmm?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20623132

The exhaust of the Apollo XI LM Ascend Stage.
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in reality, it looks pretty far-fetched. something that easy, everyone would have done it by now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4284512

Calling landing people on the Moon "easy" is rather delusional.
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Hallo David.

Still in hiding I see.
Why won't you come out and actually debate your claims in public, you coward?

Any time, any place.
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Absence of evidence means you have no evidence. If I was the fellow named in your insults I'd tell you to go piss up the proverbial rope. Are you Military? A fan, perhaps?
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