**PROOF that BIBLE is inspired word of GOD***

living word of God too. Still read by people in 2006

circumstantial evidence is proof

BUT in order to be scientific proof it has to be tested under laboratory conditions and it has to be 10 successes out of 10

The are mounds of proof that it is not any more inspired than any other book.

the old and new testaments are two different religeons

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Scanned you first link, OP. You call that "proof"!!!???!!!????

The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Actually...

...the SOUL is a terrible thing to waste...

...and only Jesus can save your soul.

No Jeff! Only YOU can save your soul! Jesus is inside YOU! Are you content that YOU'VE lived your life correctly and morally? Your judge is not some fabled saint standing outside some pearly gates, but YOURSELF! Think about it!

Though Christianity may be "true", as you say, how many persons who claim themselves to be christians really act upon Christ's precepts? Who really loves himself and others, totally, in spite of different religion, race, habits, opinions, etc... While most may say "I do!", for most it is only an illusion in which they please themselves. Await only the right conditions and situation for their mask to fall down.

Does it really matter that a religion may be true? Does it not matter more that man himself may be true, to others as well as to himself? And does it really take a religion for one to love?

I care not that any religion is "true." Rather, I see truth as independent of any religion, and I hope that you are true to yourself.

"No Jeff! Only YOU can save your soul! Jesus is inside YOU! Are you content that YOU'VE lived your life correctly and morally? Your judge is not some fabled saint standing outside some pearly gates, but YOURSELF! Think about it!"

1. only you can save your soul... REALLY? HOW??

2. Are you content that YOU'VE lived your life correctly and morally?

HAVE YOU BEEN LIVING A MORAL LIFE??
Have you ever lied, stolen, hated someone, lusted? All those are immoral things to do...aren't they? They may not sound as bad as raping and killing a child, but they are still immoral... Jesus said that if you lust after a women, you commit adultery with her in your heart...and all liers will burn in the lake of fire...and if you hated someone...it's the same as murdering them in your heart...
And what about honoring your parents...you always honored them?
And how about idolatry? God says that we are not exalt any idol before God, and not to create our own gods?
Surely, we've all done that...

3. Your judge is not some fabled saint standing outside some pearly gates, but YOURSELF!

SAYS WHO?? And why is it Fabled? You got something to back that up your statement...or at least disproove the Bible?
And why is it always...pearly gates??

No offense OP....but there is no absolute evidence to the beliefs of any religion.

Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Christians...and all other religions all believe they have possession of a truth that they can "prove."

All religions believe their truth is the "absolute truth."

The bottom line is no religion has proof......what you have is faith......and faith is a good thing.....as long as that faith does not condemn those with a different faith or belief.

Most people are just trying to get by....doing their best by other people.

Why is it that religions spend so much time telling people they will perish or some how deserve an eternal death for an unproven belief.

There is as much proof for any religion as there is for someone telling me there's a Martian in my bathtub.

Live and let live.

Peace
Do no harm

Regards
DoubleNuke

Well said Double nuke!

"Surely, we've all done that..."

No, not all of us. Some have a full understanding of karma and being in the prescense of your own, best Self. No one can know you better nor be as just.

We work to stay out of low-energy, non-loving thoughts. We pay attention to how we use words and judge others. We strive to have love and compassion for others and call ourselves out when we act in opposition these principles.

The path is not easy, but it is the one Christ would have taken as has other Children of the One.

Hi doublenuke.
I understand your point.
You see, with Christianity, there are many records (historical, archeological, prophetic) that carry a lot of weight as evidence.
For example, it's a fact that Jesus existed (secular historians agree), it's a fact that many biblical events, places, people are backed up by archeological and historical accounts/etc.
it's also a fact that over 600 prophecies have been fulfilled...
For example, Israel becoming a nation again was prophecized long time ago.
And this even also marks the fact that the end days are coming near.
Also, it's been prophecized that in the end days, there is going to be explosion of knowledge, etc.
Only in the last 100-150 years, knowledge has expanded incredibly...cars, planes, computers, weapons, etc...
and there is more.
I personally don't like to blindly believe anything... But there are pretty good arguments for Biblical validity etc.
of Christ.. But that's not relevant.
Even scientifically, Bible holds

Hi Op

"Hi doublenuke.
I understand your point."

And I understand your faith....like I said..."faith is good thing."

I respect everyone's right of ownership of a belief as long as it causes no harm and there is no condemnation attached.

In my world....the one I have claimed ownership of.....people are free to love there God and I am free to question.

My personal beliefs are complex as my foundation of examination is that "the only absolute is that there are no absolutes." I am not a young man, and I have taken to heart my own complexities and the complexities of mankind as a species.

One of the things I find most fascinating is the emotional manipulation of large groups of people. It is my belief that humans are basically a herd animal.

The herding instinct is a social tendency in humans to identify with behaviors and beliefs of a larger group of people with whom they identify.

The most typical result seen in human society is to stick with the 'herd' that one was born into and raised with.

I view governments and religions as border collies that the herd will predictably react to.

People as a rule do not like to stand out from the herd and be seen as the odd-ball if you will.

Love your God OP and hold your faith as it brings you comfort. Just understand that people as myself do not require solid proof as we believe many things are not readily discerned by the mind. Many things of value cannot be physically touched, and never will be.

Peace
Do no harm

Regards
DoubleNuke

Where are these "facts?" Did you know that there is absolutely NO evidence for any of the patriarchs, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, et. al.?

In fact Abraham could not have come from Ur because Ur had not yet become a city until 1500 B.C., while Abraham would have been circa 3,000 B.C.

The camels that the bible references during that period had not become domesticated until 600 B.C.

Most all bible historians will tell you that the incosistencies do not add up. There is tremendous pressure to conceal this, but it is referencable and documented in many articles and papers.

A good book is Timothy Freke's "The Laughing Jesus," if you'd like to understand the true history of both the Old and New Testaments.

Elaine Pagel's book, "Beyond Belief," is also an exellent book on the subject of the New Testaments origins and journey. She was on the research team at Harvard that translated the Dead Sea Scrolls.

I didn't mean to sound holier than thou.

I meant that at a certain point of understanding, you realize that YOU are fully accountable for EVERYTHING in your life. If you are hiding behind other things and giving your power away to your fears, then you haven't really faced yourself.

It's not all that heavy, it's a dance. Knowing that there is a dark side is also helpful. Knowing how to be wise in that side is helpful, for wisdom is available to the discerning ear.

You may have had heavy lessons and feel you have crosses to bear. But if you look deeply enough, you can see the opportunity to gain from past lessons that you no longer need to "hang on to."

You will learn that forgiveness is the key to letting go of these things completely. That is what the initiation is. The cross you've taken and the thorns and the beatings. But the last thing is forgiveness, for they "know not what they do."

Once you forgive others, you forgive yourself. That was a hard thing to do, but don't you feel the lessons are coming so fast? Black/white, right/wrong, on and on and who shall decide all these issues? The times are asking WHO? It's stripping you of excuses. If you want to hide, hide. It's alright to sleep through it, but you'll miss the grand finale. It's alright to be awake and in fear, but then fear takes over and you're a mess.

Why allow yourself to get sucked into ONE BOOK, ONE DOGMA? The Path of FEAR rather than fully examining your life from all angles? Is God so insecure that He fears that you'll be attracted to Another? That damn tree of KNOWLEDGE and the Serpent in the garden. Garden of Eden. 'Twasn't the serpent that brought down Man. 'Twas the shame Man had of it that angered God. What a very, very strange God to want to withhold knowledge and then tempting Man and then punish Man for having it? Who made this God and is it the final God?

Well, actually, no it isn't. It is, what the Gnostics refer to as the demi-urge. The demi-urge is actually Satan. The God of revenge and killing and war. This demi-urge has held the Children of One enslaved on this planet for a time that precedes biblical history. The demi-urge kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden and told them that they had to toil for their food.

Interestingly, this coincides with the decline of the "natural knowledge" of many indigenous cultures and the precession of patriarchal, controlling belief systems. Take heart, those who have heart, the Logos is promised to "correct" the balance. However, the grail has to be sought and found. The Good and the Bad news is, YOU are the hero. You always were. YOUR thoughts and conceptions and beliefs will come to bear.

At this very moment YOU/ME/WE are collapsing waves by oberving them. There are not many of us in numbers practicing observing the observer, but the ones who do and can send out the higher vibrational energies of hope and love (sometimes as insane as it may be under certain circumstances) are more effective at the wave collapse because our minds are in tune with the pleroma, or the Collective Consciousness, or the consentual reality that we all tap in to. The ALL. All life and consciousness that has learned to walk in trust of this earth, this world, this mystery that we call life, simply by having the will to live. In this we join the in the path of pure consciousness. You hear the panting of the Universe asking, "what will you do?", since it is enthralled with your discovery. It does not condemn, it holds you in respect. You've learned how to walk in your own person. God did not plant the trees and the put the birds in the air in order for them to die and decay. You can see that with every coming of spring. Goddess brings forth all anew. If any one of those knew of the past and the future, there is no trace of it in their joy at living in the springtime of their life. But we have come a long, long way from that first innocent burst of hopeful life. Can we get ourselves back to the Garden? Can we do it without shame and judgment? Can we do it without Armaggedon or any other Greek tragedies?

You overcome death when you overcome the ego. You no longer walk in fear, for you no longer fear death. You've seen through the illusion of death by finding the river of life. But first, you must cross death... NOT LITERALLY. But death it is, nonetheless and no less traumatic. Confronting your own Self early can wake a person up fast.

Damn well said, Miscreant!

(Now to lighten the moment) When you wrote:

You hear the panting of the Universe asking, "what will you do?",

I thought of Richard Pryor talking about Jim Brown over at his house when he was deeply into his crack pipe:

Jim jes' kep saying, "Whacha gonna do, Rich? Whacha gonna do?"

Thanks!

the bible appeals to the comic book mentality, youre not actually supposed to THINK about shit......


like when it rained for 40 days and 40 nights and the WHOLE planet was under water! where did all that water come from? where did it all go? was it a parable? a cryptic puzzle? or just comeplete BULLSHIT!

end of ice age, about 13k y/o. breaking ice shelf caused large tsunamis and sea level rise. see graham hancock site.

56768, just because you are ignorant and clueless provesnothing, except that your opinon is severly biased and jaded.
Go read the links the OP provided, before you put your foot in your mouth.
And just for your interest i lived in a part of the world where it was possible to have a meter of rain in less than a day(30 meters a year average), as well your gross ignorance and hatred of His word also blinds you to the actual physical conditions listed in Genesis.
I supose what it boils down too is you are desperately trying to shoot the messanger and obliterate the message, sadly for you , hasnt ever worked and never will, keep yours eyes on Jerusalem , major prophesy unfolding (re revelations and Zecheriah and others) things that will either lead you to the Lord or let you rationalise taking the mark of the beast.

56747, I read the first link. What a bunch of crap!

It addressed biblical criticisms from the 19th century with apolegetics from 1933 and 1956. After that, I didn't bother wasting my time with the other links. Why should I?

You bible thumpers just want to stay locked into your worldview. Your fear of an eternal hell keeps you in a lockstep that is the very definition of entropy.

One of the wisest professors I ever met was named B. Bunny, who had a GREAT name for you: MAROON!!

No Irish J, that just proves how arrogant you are, and also how opinionated as well, what? you consider yourself a greater mind and doer than say Leonardo, or Solomon to name but 2.

"Science has developed a method of studying odds. It is called the science of compound probabilities, a mathematical study of situations and the odds of possible outcomes. One of the most amazing studies conducted using this method, was recorded by Professor Peter Stoner in Science Speaks. The purpose of the study was to determine the odds of one man in history fulfilling all the prophecies recorded in the Scripture that point to the Jewish Messiah. There are over 300 Messianic prophecies in the Scriptures. Stoner chose just those that are clearly defined and specific for his study. To begin, eight prophecies were chosen that were totally beyond the human control of Yeshua:

1) His place of birth15 (Micah 5:2)
2) Time of birth16 (Daniel 9:25)
3) Manner of birth17 (Isaiah 7:14)
4) Betrayal18 (Zechariah 11:12,13)
5) Manner of death19 (Psalm 22:1618)
Notice the detail even down to the gambling for His robe.
6) Piercing of hands, feet, and side20 (Zechariah 12:10)
7) People mocking21 (Psalm 22:7,8)
8) Burial22 (Isaiah 53:9)

The compound probability of just these eight prophecies being fulfilled is 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000 (1 in 10 to the 17th power). To understand this number, take that many silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They would cover the entire state two feet deep. Next, mark a single silver dollar, fly over Texas, and drop it anywhere. Then blindfold someone and let him parachute in anywhere he wants. He should take his time; he only gets one pick and the coin he picks must be the one you marked. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man. Yeshua fulfilled them all! In practical terms, would anyone fail to invest in a financial venture if the chance of failure was one in 10 to the 17th power? This is how secure an investment it is to believe that Yeshua is the Messiah. (Only the rewards are truly out of this world!)

Now let's raise the odds using 48 prophecies. We find the chances of one man fulfilling just 48 of these Messianic prophecies to be 1 in

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000​,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
​
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
​
000,000,000,000,000,000, 000
(1 in 10 to the 157th power).

Yeshua fulfilled over 300 prophecies

It would take more faith to deceive your self
that Yeshua is NOT the Messiah,
than to accept the FACT that He is!

Contemplate:

Refusing to choose is a form of choice.

Disbelief is a form of belief.

In choosing, we must not only use the intelligence
God gave us, but also our hearts."

ATTIS:
- 3rd century B.C.
- Anatolia (modern Turkey)
- born of a virgin on or about winter solstice
- divine son of a divine father
- died by hangin on a tree
- arose from dead after three days
- resurrection meant salvation for believers
- sacremental meal of bread and wine
= bread was body/flesh
= wine was blood
- baptism by blood rather than water
- baptism meant rebirth; being born again
- baptism would wash away sins
- called ‘Good Shephard’, ‘Only Begotten Son’, ‘Savior’


MITHRAS:
- 1st century B.C. (at least, probably older)
- Persia (modern Iran/Iraq)
- born of a virgin on or about winter solstice in a cave
- divine son of a divine father
- had 12 disciples
- arose from dead
- resurrection meant salvation for believers/redemption from sin
- sacremental meal of bread and wine
= bread was body/flesh
= wine was blood
- kept the Sabbath
- baptism by blood and/or water
- birth festival around winter soltice
- death/rebirth festival around spring equinox


BUDDHA:
- 5th century B.C. (approx)
- India
- born of a virgin, Maya, on or about winter solstice
- birth announced by a star
- birth attended by wise men bearing precious gifts
- birth visited by heavenly singing angels
- taught in the temple at 12 years old
- tempted by the evil one while fasting
- baptized in water with the Spirit of God present
- healed the sick
- fed 500 from a small basket of cakes
- walked on water
- said he came to fulfill the law
- preached the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness
- obliged followers to poverty and to renounce the world
- transfigured on a mount
- died (on a cross, in some traditions)
- buried and arose again after tomb opened by supernatural powers
- ascended into heaven (Nirvana)
- will return in later days to judge the dead
- called: "Good Shepherd," "Carpenter," "Alpha and Omega," "Sin Bearer," "Master," "Light of the World," "Redeemer,"


DIONYSIUS:
- centuries before Jesus
- Greece and other regions
- born of a virgin on or about winter solstice
- placed in a manger at birth
- traveling teacher who performed many miracles
- rode in a triumphal procession on an ass
- turned water into wine
- followers ate sacred meal that became the body of the God
- rose from the dead March 25th
- identified with the ram and lamb
- called "King of Kings," "Only Begotten Son," "Savior," "Redeemer," "Sin bearer," "Anointed One," the "Alpha and Omega."


HERACLES:
- centuries before Jesus
- Greece and other regions
- born of a virgin on or about winter solstice
- God was his father
- sacrificial death at spring equinox
- called "Savior," "Only begotten," "Prince of Peace," "Son of Righteousness."


KRISHNA:
- at least 5th century B.C., probably older
- India
- born of a virgin in a cave
= the cave was miraculously illuminated at time of birth
- birth announced by a star
- foster father had gone to pay taxes during time of birth
- cattle gave adoration at his birth
- local king had all male children born at same time slaughtered
- traveled widely, performed miracles -- raising the dead, healing lepers, the deaf and the blind
- crucified on cross with arms extended
- pierced by arrow while dying/dead on cross
- rose from the dead on the third day and ascended into heaven
- will return on the last day to judge the quick and the dead
- Krishna is the second person of the Hindu trinity


OSIRIS:
- at least 1000 B.C., probably older
- Egypt
- born of a virgin, Meri (also Isis), on or about winter solstice in a cave or manger
- birth announced by a star
- birth attended by 3 wise men
- earthly father’s name was “Seb” which translates to Joseph
- taught in the temple at 12 years old
- baptized in water at age 30 with prior 18 years missing
- baptized in the river “Larutana”, aka Jordan
- baptized by “Anup the Baptizer” which translates to “John”
- traveled widely as a teacher
- performed miracles, exorcised demons
- raised “El-Osiris” from the dead (say El-Osiris then Lazarus out loud 5 times quickly)
- walked on water
- said he came to fulfill the law
- called “KRST” and “Annointed One”
- betrayed by Typhon
- crucified between two thieves on the 17th day of the month of Athyr
- buried in a tomb from which he arose on the third day (19th Athyr)
- suffering, death, and resurrection celebrated at spring equinox
- called "The Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "god's Anointed Son,' the "Son of Man," the "Word made Flesh," the "word of truth."
- prophesied to reign a thousand years


ZORASTER:
- 2nd century B.C.
- usually linked to Persia (Iran) but found from Mid-East to Indus Valley
- born of a virgin
- baptized in a river
- astounded wise men with his wisdom in his youth
- began his ministry at age 30
- tempted in the wilderness by the devil
- cast out demons
- restored the sight of a blind man
- revealed the mysteries of heaven, hell, resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse
- celebrated with a sacred eucharistic meal
- called: "The Word made flesh"


There’s more scattered throughout known history. But this is a good start.


The Jesus story was very well known in the Middle East 2000 years ago. Your bible is a cut-and-paste job; makes fulfilling prophecies pretty f**king easy. Your bible doesn't have an original document earlier then the 4th century AD!! AD, mo'fo, AD!!!!!

Get it! It's a FRAUD!!!

Thanks for piling so much of it together Irish.

So many of the legends do indeed exist with lapses in time and then resurface.

I still think we can maintain these discussions without adding any forms of personal attacks. This is one of the only ways we can help prevent the tribes/herds from attacking each other and separate ourselves from the perceived ....or so called lower species.

Isn't it fascinating that so many legends persist over time buried within the collective consciousness.

The complexities of the species we call human.

Peace
Do no harm

Regards
DoubleNuke

We have 5400 extant copies of the New Testament in Greek from the 2nd century onward. No two copies agree in all of their wording. There are about 200,000 to 300,000 differences between the manuscripts. That's more than all the words in the New Testament. While most were careless errors, it definitely shows signs of "editing" to reflect their biases. There is nothing infallible in there.

Sorry, doublenuke, but this "myth" has done far too much harm to be polite about it. And the mind-numbed adherents are a dangerous bunch.

Bottom line? I'm very pissed about these assholes who have hijacked a culture and fucked it up for seven millenium. No, I don't care to be polite about it, thank you very much.

hey Irish jim.
Where do you get your information?
I'd like to check it out.
How do you know that your sources are correct??