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I am an MBA. From an academic standpoint, I know as much about business and macro-economics as an MD knows about medicine and the human body. When I hear about these idiot lawyers in congress and the White House trying to do business strategy, I cringe. Why would a bunch of lawyers know anything about business strategy? That's like hiring an MBA to perform brain surgery or hiring an MD to build a bridge. Lawyers know nothing about business, yet Obama, all of his cronies, and almost everyone in Congress are lawyers. No wonder the country is so fucked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20191040


While I agree that most lawyers know shit about business, it's ridiculous to compare an MBA to an MD degree. At medical school people learn real skills that can be applied to saving lies. In an MBA program you learn fuck-all. I should know, I have an MBA as well, and I freely admit its useless bullshittery. Don't embarrass yourself. The only useful things I got out of my MBA program were the connections I made with my fellow students. The content of the actual education is fucking worthless. They should call it an MDA (Master of Douchebaggery Arts).

Only one thing matters in business: results. And having an MBA is pretty much irrelevant to gaining results, except for the connection part. Takes one to know one, bro.
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Black folk rather drive an Infinity.
GM is done again.
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Just drove 1000 miles along I-80 from CA across Utah and Nevada to CO. A lot of coal and oil work + mining. Huge shiny new Ford trucks outnumbered Chevy/Dodge by at least 10 to 1.
 Quoting: Little Bee


Ford might not make very good cars but, man, do they have good trucks. Those things they call Super Duty are like a semi-truck with a shorter wheelbase. Crazy horsepower and unbelievable torque. There is no way that GM can keep up with a Super Duty. The Ram cab & chassis comes close but still not the same level.

Kudos to Ford for making such good trucks. If they were smart, they would get out of the business of manufacturing cars and stick with trucks and SUV's. They could have some Chinese company manufacture cars for them and then Ford could market them in the US at a nice profit.
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I am an MBA. From an academic standpoint, I know as much about business and macro-economics as an MD knows about medicine and the human body. When I hear about these idiot lawyers in congress and the White House trying to do business strategy, I cringe. Why would a bunch of lawyers know anything about business strategy? That's like hiring an MBA to perform brain surgery or hiring an MD to build a bridge. Lawyers know nothing about business, yet Obama, all of his cronies, and almost everyone in Congress are lawyers. No wonder the country is so fucked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20191040


While I agree that most lawyers know shit about business, it's ridiculous to compare an MBA to an MD degree. At medical school people learn real skills that can be applied to saving lies. In an MBA program you learn fuck-all. I should know, I have an MBA as well, and I freely admit its useless bullshittery. Don't embarrass yourself. The only useful things I got out of my MBA program were the connections I made with my fellow students. The content of the actual education is fucking worthless. They should call it an MDA (Master of Douchebaggery Arts).

Only one thing matters in business: results. And having an MBA is pretty much irrelevant to gaining results, except for the connection part. Takes one to know one, bro.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20556831


If you were truly an MBA, you would not be putting down the degree. Maybe if you had paid attention in class you would have learned something. I learned plenty and applied those skills directly to my current position.

MD's are the most overrated professionals of any field. People who can't do calculus become doctors and lawyers. People who can do calculus become MBA's and engineers.

It's not my fault you didn't learn anything in B-school. Maybe you should have picked a better school or at least paid attention.
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For a lot of years I bought nothing but GM products. Their Chevys and Pontiacs were as good as any car on the market. That all seemed to change around the late 80s and early 90s. My GMs were breaking down more often and wearing out much sooner. My last GM product was a 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix. It was the biggest piece of junk I have ever owned. It was in the shop more than it was on the road and parts were ghastly expensive. I lost an ignition key for it once and the replacement was $110.00!! Anyways, I switched to Fords after getting rid of that lemon and have never been happier. My 2002 Ford Taurus has over 250,000 miles on it and still runs like a top and the only time it is in the shop is for scheduled maintenance. I will never, ever buy a GM again no matter what types of incentives or financing deals they are offering. I hope they go under.
 Quoting: my 2 cents


Quality at the Big Three took a big hit starting in the mid 70's when all the emissions controls BS started. They were never the same after that.
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I am an MBA. From an academic standpoint, I know as much about business and macro-economics as an MD knows about medicine and the human body. When I hear about these idiot lawyers in congress and the White House trying to do business strategy, I cringe. Why would a bunch of lawyers know anything about business strategy? That's like hiring an MBA to perform brain surgery or hiring an MD to build a bridge. Lawyers know nothing about business, yet Obama, all of his cronies, and almost everyone in Congress are lawyers. No wonder the country is so fucked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20191040


While I agree that most lawyers know shit about business, it's ridiculous to compare an MBA to an MD degree. At medical school people learn real skills that can be applied to saving lies. In an MBA program you learn fuck-all. I should know, I have an MBA as well, and I freely admit its useless bullshittery. Don't embarrass yourself. The only useful things I got out of my MBA program were the connections I made with my fellow students. The content of the actual education is fucking worthless. They should call it an MDA (Master of Douchebaggery Arts).

Only one thing matters in business: results. And having an MBA is pretty much irrelevant to gaining results, except for the connection part. Takes one to know one, bro.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20556831


If you were truly an MBA, you would not be putting down the degree. Maybe if you had paid attention in class you would have learned something. I learned plenty and applied those skills directly to my current position.

MD's are the most overrated professionals of any field. People who can't do calculus become doctors and lawyers. People who can do calculus become MBA's and engineers.

It's not my fault you didn't learn anything in B-school. Maybe you should have picked a better school or at least paid attention.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20191040


My wife has an MBA and makes a lot of money with it. I guess it boils down to how it is used. I bet Japan has a great MBA program, considering they beat us to economic failure by at least 15 years. Heck, even Trump stuck it to the Japs when they were trying to buy Manhattan.
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Found this...

Chevy now made in China after our bailout!
Thread: Chevy now MADE in China
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GM is nothing more than a retirement fund. And they try to sell a few cars to pay for it. The buyout offers GM gives to employees is ridiculous. The workers are vastly overpaid for what they do. No where else can you make $35 a hour for running an impact gun.
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They make the same wages as Toyota. So you're wrong.
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For a lot of years I bought nothing but GM products. Their Chevys and Pontiacs were as good as any car on the market. That all seemed to change around the late 80s and early 90s. My GMs were breaking down more often and wearing out much sooner. My last GM product was a 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix. It was the biggest piece of junk I have ever owned. It was in the shop more than it was on the road and parts were ghastly expensive. I lost an ignition key for it once and the replacement was $110.00!! Anyways, I switched to Fords after getting rid of that lemon and have never been happier. My 2002 Ford Taurus has over 250,000 miles on it and still runs like a top and the only time it is in the shop is for scheduled maintenance. I will never, ever buy a GM again no matter what types of incentives or financing deals they are offering. I hope they go under.
 Quoting: my 2 cents


Quality at the Big Three took a big hit starting in the mid 70's when all the emissions controls BS started. They were never the same after that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20191040


I think it was a lot earlier than the 70’s.

Back home in Germany, (early 60’s) my dad bought a Chevrolet Impala.

For many, the Impala was a viable alternative to Mercedes at that time.

The build quality was good and the car would go on for ever.

In the mid 60’s, the big 3 stopped selling American cars in Europe.

This “Trade embargo” goes on to this very day.

If you like to buy a Camaro or Mustang, it’s “single Import” only.

If you add all import duties and shipping, we pay almost double the price.

You think that’s ridicules?

As a European, we are not even allowed American made Wrangler jeans.

No joke.

This is to protect the Wrangler jobs in Poland.

All Wrangler Jeans in Europe come from Poland that is company policy.

If I like to get some American made Wrangler, I have to ask my US fiends to buy them for me and send them as a “Gift” to get past the customs.

My Chrysler Jeep is assembled in Graz (Austria), I would rather buy a Jeep assembled in Jefferson but again, I am not allowed. wtf

So it’s not that we would not like to buy your products.

It’s you who don’t like us to have them. tomato
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My wife has an MBA and makes a lot of money with it. I guess it boils down to how it is used. I bet Japan has a great MBA program, considering they beat us to economic failure by at least 15 years. Heck, even Trump stuck it to the Japs when they were trying to buy Manhattan.
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ASSHWOLE! All we get is 30 wock with oric bowlin! frive niens my rigma!

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GM is nothing more than a retirement fund. And they try to sell a few cars to pay for it. The buyout offers GM gives to employees is ridiculous. The workers are vastly overpaid for what they do. No where else can you make $35 a hour for running an impact gun.
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They make the same wages as Toyota. So you're wrong.
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I meant the auto industry in general. But I guess that was to much for you to comprehend.
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For a lot of years I bought nothing but GM products. Their Chevys and Pontiacs were as good as any car on the market. That all seemed to change around the late 80s and early 90s. My GMs were breaking down more often and wearing out much sooner. My last GM product was a 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix. It was the biggest piece of junk I have ever owned. It was in the shop more than it was on the road and parts were ghastly expensive. I lost an ignition key for it once and the replacement was $110.00!! Anyways, I switched to Fords after getting rid of that lemon and have never been happier. My 2002 Ford Taurus has over 250,000 miles on it and still runs like a top and the only time it is in the shop is for scheduled maintenance. I will never, ever buy a GM again no matter what types of incentives or financing deals they are offering. I hope they go under.
 Quoting: my 2 cents


Quality at the Big Three took a big hit starting in the mid 70's when all the emissions controls BS started. They were never the same after that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20191040


I think it was a lot earlier than the 70’s.

Back home in Germany, (early 60’s) my dad bought a Chevrolet Impala.

For many, the Impala was a viable alternative to Mercedes at that time.

The build quality was good and the car would go on for ever.

In the mid 60’s, the big 3 stopped selling American cars in Europe.

This “Trade embargo” goes on to this very day.

If you like to buy a Camaro or Mustang, it’s “single Import” only.

If you add all import duties and shipping, we pay almost double the price.

You think that’s ridicules?

As a European, we are not even allowed American made Wrangler jeans.

No joke.

This is to protect the Wrangler jobs in Poland.

All Wrangler Jeans in Europe come from Poland that is company policy.

If I like to get some American made Wrangler, I have to ask my US fiends to buy them for me and send them as a “Gift” to get past the customs.

My Chrysler Jeep is assembled in Graz (Austria), I would rather buy a Jeep assembled in Jefferson but again, I am not allowed. wtf

So it’s not that we would not like to buy your products.

It’s you who don’t like us to have them. tomato
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20881168


The 1964 to 1973 era was the golden age of the US auto industry known as the muscle car era. Those were the best cars that the US ever produced. Too bad it had to end and we had to end up with underpowered garbage. You're definitely right about the Impala going forever. I didn't know that it was actually an alternative to a Mercedes. That's probably why my dad always used to talk so highly about that car. The US sure fucked things up, didn't they?

Interesting comments about trade restrictions in your country. Thanks for sharing. They are a real eye opener.
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If you analyze the July 9, 2009 balance sheet of GM, and then compare it to the July 10, 2009 balance sheet of NewCo GM, it is obvious that GM exploited the fresh start bankrutcy accounting rules. GM has not reorganized its operations as claimed, they simply reorganized their accounting records hoping that the economy would rebound and bail their asses out.

What I don't get, is why the financial analysts buy into the bullshit and promote GM IPOs only for more people to get fucked. Every single one of them must be getting paid off, it is just not possible that so many people can be that fucking stupid.

Speaking of getting fucked, Facebook is worth about $1.60 per share.

What the fuck is wrong with everone in our financial markets? Granted, interconnted derivative dependent financial markets that operate in the shadows makes it easy to fuck people, but it dosn't take a genius to understand that this is not sustainable.

FYI. The next blow to the markets will be the Treasury Bond bubble busting. The demand for TBs (and probably MBS as well) has been manipulated through massive interest rate swap transactions with fixed income bonds embeded in them. Thus creating a demand for the bonds that really dosn't exist. The 10 yr Treasury is trading at 0% (net of inflation) despite the US gov's $1.5 trillion annual defict spending and an imminent credit event looming? Bull Shit!
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GM’s growth in the month of July will be essentially flat. GM is losing domestic market share at a rapid rate. From January to April 2012, GM lost 11% of its market share – about 300,000 vehicles of market share. Cadillac was down almost 25%.
Remember that big GM boom? It’s a lie. Obama may have bailed out GM, but he didn’t bail out the taxpayer – and in the long run, GM won’t be a viable business just because the government cut it a check.


[link to www.breitbart.com]
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The bailout of gm was nothing more than payback to the unions. everybody knows that. It was never meant to fix GM. GM will go bankrupt eventually and the media will not even mention the union payoff for getting barry elected.
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For a lot of years I bought nothing but GM products. Their Chevys and Pontiacs were as good as any car on the market. That all seemed to change around the late 80s and early 90s. My GMs were breaking down more often and wearing out much sooner. My last GM product was a 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix. It was the biggest piece of junk I have ever owned. It was in the shop more than it was on the road and parts were ghastly expensive. I lost an ignition key for it once and the replacement was $110.00!! Anyways, I switched to Fords after getting rid of that lemon and have never been happier. My 2002 Ford Taurus has over 250,000 miles on it and still runs like a top and the only time it is in the shop is for scheduled maintenance. I will never, ever buy a GM again no matter what types of incentives or financing deals they are offering. I hope they go under.
 Quoting: my 2 cents


Quality at the Big Three took a big hit starting in the mid 70's when all the emissions controls BS started. They were never the same after that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20191040


I think it was a lot earlier than the 70’s.

Back home in Germany, (early 60’s) my dad bought a Chevrolet Impala.

For many, the Impala was a viable alternative to Mercedes at that time.

The build quality was good and the car would go on for ever.

In the mid 60’s, the big 3 stopped selling American cars in Europe.

This “Trade embargo” goes on to this very day.

If you like to buy a Camaro or Mustang, it’s “single Import” only.

If you add all import duties and shipping, we pay almost double the price.

You think that’s ridicules?

As a European, we are not even allowed American made Wrangler jeans.

No joke.

This is to protect the Wrangler jobs in Poland.

All Wrangler Jeans in Europe come from Poland that is company policy.

If I like to get some American made Wrangler, I have to ask my US fiends to buy them for me and send them as a “Gift” to get past the customs.

My Chrysler Jeep is assembled in Graz (Austria), I would rather buy a Jeep assembled in Jefferson but again, I am not allowed. wtf

So it’s not that we would not like to buy your products.

It’s you who don’t like us to have them. tomato
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20881168


The 1964 to 1973 era was the golden age of the US auto industry known as the muscle car era. Those were the best cars that the US ever produced. Too bad it had to end and we had to end up with underpowered garbage. You're definitely right about the Impala going forever. I didn't know that it was actually an alternative to a Mercedes. That's probably why my dad always used to talk so highly about that car. The US sure fucked things up, didn't they?

Interesting comments about trade restrictions in your country. Thanks for sharing. They are a real eye opener.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20191040


The trade restrictions are NOT in our Country!

Your corporations decided we cannot buy your stuff.

No american pants for european Taliban.rockon

Go figure.. tomato
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The GM employee is just as guilty as any banker. Greedy fucking spot welders makin 40 bucks an hour. For a pc of shit product as well. I look forward to the day when it finally sinks. You fuckers are why jobs go to China. The taxpayer will never see their money again, if you think they will your part of the problem. We need to let this shitpile go out of business.
Fucking leftists would have us believe that 1.5% GDP is good. The same quarter we had $2.33 of debt for every dollar. That's not a sign of strength.

You fucking idgets at GM have been told by the public that your product sucks. No amount of crony marxo-fascist bullshit is going to change the fact that your product sucks.
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so it basicly is owned by the tax payers now and didn't chevy move overseas? so who wants a new car?
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If they keep printing money, it makes everyone poor and unable to buy things properly.

This is what they want for the New World Order, to bring "order" out of chaos.
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But first they must create the environment for chaos.

They are doing it right.
I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick.
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so it basicly is owned by the tax payers now and didn't chevy move overseas? so who wants a new car?
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pigchef I would like a new car since the whole nafta and Glass Stegal thing is old news.
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Something funny I just saw on a Chevrolet commercial, they were saying that Chevrolet just had their best year ever last year. WTF? Exactly how is it that they are defining "best?" What a joke. GM is sitting on the verge of a second bankruptcy and their commercials are advertising a great year. What a bunch of bullshit.
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And over 90% of their 2Q financing of new automobiles was in the "Sub Prime" category...God knows that ploy worked out well for the mortgage industry...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


GM has been loaning money to 430 Score CREDIT CRIMINALS since at least October 2011, to boost GM's sagging sales, and Obama's Economic Numbers

YOU and I will end up bailing out GMAC/ALLY, yet again, and no one in the mainstream media seems to care.

(too politically-incorrect to mention, since it might harm the Queer Messiah, Obama. Wouldn't want to be looking for a new media job in the Obama Economy, would you?)

Several people have been trying get this news out, for months.
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Just who the fuck do you think owns the mainstream media ?





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