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'Docs vs. Glocks' - the Florida case of First Amendment vs the Second Amendment

 
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Well, lets do the math. There were 35K gun deaths in the the USA in 2011 and 1.5 million deaths from malpractice by physicians.

There are 6 million doctors, and 80 million legal firearms owners. Who is statistically more dangerous?
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Gun related deaths in the USA is over 11,000 a year, higher
than the rest of the developed world put together...if you
lost that many troops in Iraq the Army would get pulled!

How can a Doctor do his job when the law is against him?

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 Quoting: Dr Shroom
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Then why doesn't the law address knife ownership or blunt object ownership?

If a criminal is involved in a gun-related death, it's not the
doctor's responsibility; it's the responsibility of law enforcement
to then talk to the gang member or drug seller.


This law is just one more attempt of the government trying
to ease their nose under the tent of 2nd Amendment rights
of the US citizen.

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 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


How many other laws written before the dawn of flight do you still live by? Guns back then where shit...rifling was imported to the states during the Civil war...the Colt repeater was not too effective a way to kill somebody even with their basic levels of healthcare...now a man can kill 15 people with one hand.
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A homemade bomb can kill hundreds with one hand, whats your point?

Just my 2 cents.
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Well, lets do the math. There were 35K gun deaths in the the USA in 2011 and 1.5 million deaths from malpractice by physicians.

There are 6 million doctors, and 80 million legal firearms owners. Who is statistically more dangerous?
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This is all utter silliness. Chalk up another gold star for Florida! Geeze.

Who cares how someone is killed. If it's murder, it's a crime, and we have laws against it and punishment for the wrong-doers.

If you've ever watched the Doctor's Diaries on PBS, one statement by one Harvard-trained ER doctor stood out -- Alcohol (not guns) causes more damage than anything he sees in the ER, bar none.

Is that enough reason to ban alcohol sales and consumption?

Been there, tried that. It didn't solve one single problem, but sure created a whole bunch more.

Don't these people learn from history? I dare say not. They're only doomed to repeat it.

God help us all!
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I am an ER nurse in the UK and I am so happy we don't allow guns in this country and if I was seeing tens of gunshot wounds every night I would call for the banning of guns...not to be a nanny but because I went into my job to help people stay healthy...

Gun related deaths in the USA is over 11,000 a year, higher than the rest of the developed world put together...if you lost that many troops in Iraq the Army would get pulled!

How can a Doctor do his job when the law is against him?
 Quoting: Dr Shroom


Haaaa. ,, tens of thousands,, where did you get that statistic.. First of all you live In a horrible nation that has done nothing but destroy humanity and our ultimate destiny which is complete freedom following the laws of nature and natures God. Read " the decline and fall of the British empire" by Piers Brendon.Secondly , a good friend of mine spent 3 years in Bath while working for Motorola. His story's of the appalling state of " the queens" health care are evidence that has been submitted to Congress..Lastly,why on earth won't your goverment of German userpers(Saks, Coberg, Gotha), stop harassing the American people. Have you not learned yet that no matter how many viscious clandestine operations that are waged upon us, generation to generation, that WE WILL NEVER BOW TO THE CROWN. I'm sure your a great nurse and these comments are from a heart of love. Peace, William Wallace
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What? Really mate...I am trying to have a logical discussion in a subject I have a vested, professional interest in and you type this? In 2010 there were over 9, 400 gun deaths in the US, fact. Feel free to find it. 60 in the UK, your motherland, lest you forget.

I am getting down voted, told I am in the wrong profession, given this heap of racist, bigoted nonsense from a kid nowhere near as educated or experienced as me, an Anon COWARD no less because I think everybody has the right to life??!!

Go and kill somebody then...or get somebody to kill somebody you love with a gun. Come and tell me how good it feels. Please.
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You sure forgot how to help people like here , national tv banks and schools and they still do it wrong.
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I am an ER nurse in the UK and I am so happy we don't allow guns in this country and if I was seeing tens of gunshot wounds every night I would call for the banning of guns...not to be a nanny but because I went into my job to help people stay healthy...

Gun related deaths in the USA is over 11,000 a year, higher than the rest of the developed world put together...if you lost that many troops in Iraq the Army would get pulled!

How can a Doctor do his job when the law is against him?
 Quoting: Dr Shroom


Haaaa. ,, tens of thousands,, where did you get that statistic.. First of all you live In a horrible nation that has done nothing but destroy humanity and our ultimate destiny which is complete freedom following the laws of nature and natures God. Read " the decline and fall of the British empire" by Piers Brendon.Secondly , a good friend of mine spent 3 years in Bath while working for Motorola. His story's of the appalling state of " the queens" health care are evidence that has been submitted to Congress..Lastly,why on earth won't your goverment of German userpers(Saks, Coberg, Gotha), stop harassing the American people. Have you not learned yet that no matter how many viscious clandestine operations that are waged upon us, generation to generation, that WE WILL NEVER BOW TO THE CROWN. I'm sure your a great nurse and these comments are from a heart of love. Peace, William Wallace
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What? Really mate...I am trying to have a logical discussion in a subject I have a vested, professional interest in and you type this? In 2010 there were over 9, 400 gun deaths in the US, fact. Feel free to find it. 60 in the UK, your motherland, lest you forget.

I am getting down voted, told I am in the wrong profession, given this heap of racist, bigoted nonsense from a kid nowhere near as educated or experienced as me, an Anon COWARD no less because I think everybody has the right to life??!!

Go and kill somebody then...or get somebody to kill somebody you love with a gun. Come and tell me how good it feels. Please.
 Quoting: Dr Shroom


You're ridiculous. Stay in the UK.
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I'm a surgeon. I talk with my patients about CCW and they bring their pistols into my office to show them to me sometimes. I encourage them to carry.
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I'm a surgeon. I talk with my patients about CCW and they bring their pistols into my office to show them to me sometimes. I encourage them to carry.
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Dr. Shroom isn't gonna care for that comment. chuckle
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Gun related deaths in the USA is over 11,000 a year, higher
than the rest of the developed world put together...if you
lost that many troops in Iraq the Army would get pulled!

How can a Doctor do his job when the law is against him?

.
 Quoting: Dr Shroom
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Then why doesn't the law address knife ownership or blunt object ownership?

If a criminal is involved in a gun-related death, it's not the
doctor's responsibility; it's the responsibility of law enforcement
to then talk to the gang member or drug seller.


This law is just one more attempt of the government trying
to ease their nose under the tent of 2nd Amendment rights
of the US citizen.

.
 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


How many other laws written before the dawn of flight do you still live by? Guns back then where shit...rifling was imported to the states during the Civil war...the Colt repeater was not too effective a way to kill somebody even with their basic levels of healthcare...now a man can kill 15 people with one hand.
 Quoting: Dr Shroom



A homemade bomb can kill hundreds with one hand, whats your point?

Just my 2 cents.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213727


Whats yours? You can kill with your bare hands...or with a pencil...or you drop something in a water supply and kill millions...whats your point? Things lent to crimes of passion, the gun down basically, are significantly more survivable than the gun...thats my point. Bombs, poisoning, mass slaughter has to be premeditated...planned...therefore its about the person, they are the weapon...in passion, the weapon is the weapon, and its not premeditated...take away the gun, less people die. This is fact.
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I am an ER nurse in the UK and I am so happy we don't allow guns in this country and if I was seeing tens of gunshot wounds every night I would call for the banning of guns...not to be a nanny but because I went into my job to help people stay healthy...

Gun related deaths in the USA is over 11,000 a year, higher than the rest of the developed world put together...if you lost that many troops in Iraq the Army would get pulled!

How can a Doctor do his job when the law is against him?
 Quoting: Dr Shroom


Haaaa. ,, tens of thousands,, where did you get that statistic.. First of all you live In a horrible nation that has done nothing but destroy humanity and our ultimate destiny which is complete freedom following the laws of nature and natures God. Read " the decline and fall of the British empire" by Piers Brendon.Secondly , a good friend of mine spent 3 years in Bath while working for Motorola. His story's of the appalling state of " the queens" health care are evidence that has been submitted to Congress..Lastly,why on earth won't your goverment of German userpers(Saks, Coberg, Gotha), stop harassing the American people. Have you not learned yet that no matter how many viscious clandestine operations that are waged upon us, generation to generation, that WE WILL NEVER BOW TO THE CROWN. I'm sure your a great nurse and these comments are from a heart of love. Peace, William Wallace
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What? Really mate...I am trying to have a logical discussion in a subject I have a vested, professional interest in and you type this? In 2010 there were over 9, 400 gun deaths in the US, fact. Feel free to find it. 60 in the UK, your motherland, lest you forget.

I am getting down voted, told I am in the wrong profession, given this heap of racist, bigoted nonsense from a kid nowhere near as educated or experienced as me, an Anon COWARD no less because I think everybody has the right to life??!!

Go and kill somebody then...or get somebody to kill somebody you love with a gun. Come and tell me how good it feels. Please.
 Quoting: Dr Shroom


You're ridiculous. Stay in the UK.
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Is that all you can write?!
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I'm a surgeon. I talk with my patients about CCW and they bring their pistols into my office to show them to me sometimes. I encourage them to carry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18124636


Dr. Shroom isn't gonna care for that comment. chuckle
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20972399


And you believe him?! Are guns allowed in hospitals? But not cigarettes?

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
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That's a cop's job, shroom, not a doctor's job.

 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


it is the DOCTORS who have to fix it !!!!

hello ????


besides, it is NOT the state of Florida's job to tell people what their job is


YOUR job should be some english lessons, as your mouth spews nothin' but garbage
 Quoting: Sugarelf
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It is not the role of the doctor to ask if citizens own a gun.


Plain and simple.


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Utterly illogical, or shall we bring in car crashes, poison and sharpened pencils?
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May as well, everybody wants to be safe, right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20972399


Did you miss the bit where I said I was a nurse? Do you know how sad and frustrating it is patching people hurt by other people is? Have you seen somebody die or a dead body? I have, beyond count and we have little or no gun crime here...it must be heartbreaking for my colleagues in your country...that is all I am saying.
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Maybe you chose the wrong profession?

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He's certainly in the correct country for that Left-wing garbage.


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That's a cop's job, shroom, not a doctor's job.

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it is the DOCTORS who have to fix it !!!!

hello ????


besides, it is NOT the state of Florida's job to tell people what their job is


YOUR job should be some english lessons, as your mouth spews nothin' but garbage
 Quoting: Sugarelf
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It is not the role of the doctor to ask if citizens own a gun.


Plain and simple.


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 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


IF the doctors want to do it, they can

if they don't want to, then they won't

all about FREEDOM
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IF the doctors want to do it, they can

if they don't want to, then they won't

all about FREEDOM

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The doctor works for the patient, not the government.


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I'm a surgeon. I talk with my patients about CCW and they bring their pistols into my office to show them to me sometimes. I encourage them to carry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18124636


Dr. Shroom isn't gonna care for that comment. chuckle
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20972399


And you believe him?! Are guns allowed in hospitals? But not cigarettes?

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
 Quoting: Dr Shroom


You're a fool. You Brits are fighting Stds hep ABC TB aids malaria staff - and you think you're healthy.

You're so diseased even your corpses should be declared toxic waste.

It isn't about guns.... !
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That's a cop's job, shroom, not a doctor's job.

 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


it is the DOCTORS who have to fix it !!!!

hello ????


besides, it is NOT the state of Florida's job to tell people what their job is


YOUR job should be some english lessons, as your mouth spews nothin' but garbage
 Quoting: Sugarelf
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It is not the role of the doctor to ask if citizens own a gun.


Plain and simple.


.
 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


Do you know that guy in your avatar? He is English...did you see the stuff he did taking the piss out of the NRA? Made them look like a right bunch of tools...amusing irony.
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IF the doctors want to do it, they can

if they don't want to, then they won't

all about FREEDOM

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 Quoting: Sugarelf
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The doctor works for the patient, not the government.


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 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


therefore, the government can not tell them what to do


simple as that....why are you even speaking ??
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I'm a surgeon. I talk with my patients about CCW and they bring their pistols into my office to show them to me sometimes. I encourage them to carry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18124636


Dr. Shroom isn't gonna care for that comment. chuckle
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20972399


And you believe him?! Are guns allowed in hospitals? But not cigarettes?

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
 Quoting: Dr Shroom


You're a fool. You Brits are fighting Stds hep ABC TB aids malaria staff - and you think you're healthy.

You're so diseased even your corpses should be declared toxic waste.

It isn't about guns.... !
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit


Come back when you have grown up, you silly little child.
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Do you know that guy in your avatar? He is English...did you
see the stuff he did taking the piss out of the NRA? Made them
look like a right bunch of tools...amusing irony.

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 Quoting: Dr Shroom
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He's a make-believe character in a movie.

Please try to separate reality from fantasy.


And again, the doctor works for the patient, not the government.

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And again, the doctor works for the patient, not the government.

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yes, and what you stated supports the doctors !!


hello ??
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IF the doctors want to do it, they can

if they don't want to, then they won't

all about FREEDOM

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 Quoting: Sugarelf
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The doctor works for the patient, not the government.


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 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev
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therefore, the government can not tell them what to do


simple as that....why are you even speaking ??

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 Quoting: Sugarelf
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I'm typing, not speaking, fool.

Regardless, the government IS telling them what to do because
they are being empowered by a new law allowing them to ask
patients if they own a gun.

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U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke ruled earlier this month in the case known
as "Docs vs. Glocks." Cooke agreed with physicians who contended the law violates free speech rights.


 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


in support of her ruling, U.S. District Judge Marcia Cook stated: the doctor works for the patient, not the government.
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Wait what?!@ So now if I goto the doctor I'm going to get lectured about firearms? pfffft if that happens Im going to tell the doctor to go fuck himself and I"ll never return to his office.
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Dr. Shroom isn't gonna care for that comment. chuckle
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20972399


And you believe him?! Are guns allowed in hospitals? But not cigarettes?

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
 Quoting: Dr Shroom


You're a fool. You Brits are fighting Stds hep ABC TB aids malaria staff - and you think you're healthy.

You're so diseased even your corpses should be declared toxic waste.

It isn't about guns.... !
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit


Come back when you have grown up, you silly little child.
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Is that all you can write?!
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Like eh :"uhm ik denk dat wenun klein probleempje hebbu met ze allen".

Mschien is het jullie maaruhmm mischien weten we een iduutje ?
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Do you know that guy in your avatar? He is English...did you
see the stuff he did taking the piss out of the NRA? Made them
look like a right bunch of tools...amusing irony.

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 Quoting: Dr Shroom
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He's a make-believe character in a movie.

Please try to separate reality from fantasy.


And again, the doctor works for the patient, not the government.

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 Quoting: Borat Sagdiyev


He is a character played (edit: CREATED!)by a man who shares my opinion about your gun laws. That is fact...maybe it is you who is finding the separating fantasy bits tough!
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Good thing you're not runnin the show.
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Is that all you can write?!

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two wrongs never make a right; however three rights always make a left
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And you believe him?! Are guns allowed in hospitals? But not cigarettes?

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
 Quoting: Dr Shroom


You're a fool. You Brits are fighting Stds hep ABC TB aids malaria staff - and you think you're healthy.

You're so diseased even your corpses should be declared toxic waste.

It isn't about guns.... !
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit


Come back when you have grown up, you silly little child.
 Quoting: Dr Shroom


Is that all you can write?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20972399


Touche.

Doesn't change the fact that you wrote childish nonsense.

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