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The virtues of Capitalism and the Free Market - true then and true now!

 
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07/31/2012 08:07 PM
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I believe that the market economy works. The exchanges are fair and everyone can contribute also benefit. However, we reached a level where the terms of trade and market share is quite uneven. Between people and between nations. This inequality was not built economically, but politically. Thus, the market system, which should be fair and compensate those who work, became a justification for maintaining this imbalance is not built economically, but through brute force.
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So you agree we need to regulate the state then? To rectify this imbalance?
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I do not think so. The state works for the market. I am not a Marxist but he has an interesting idea: the political and social organization is a reflection of the material and technological advancement. It's still early so that there are changes in our society. they will come in time. I believe that.
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Well, that's just false, you see, because you yourself stated that the ideal of a free market is desired and yet refuted socialism, which is the state eating the free market ( perhaps you took those positions because the concept of a free market is so popular) .

So how can you then say the state works for the market. You arnt making any sense.
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If the state always works for the free market then you'd be for socialism, but you went against that while promoting the concept of a free market. So it "make" no sense.
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07/31/2012 08:09 PM
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Obviously the same reasoning that leads to reject socialism will be used to reject your idea. Because the reason we don't have a free market is obviously the state, which interferes with regulation and biases laws for certain market actors, instead of the utilitarian or indifferent market protocol which allows for the Equilibirum or the invisible hand. I really don't know what you are selling here, again, the rhetoric got so complicated I'm confused as to exactly what you are saying, I think I m just going to say you are for socialism and disagree with you, there.
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07/31/2012 08:12 PM
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Be more precise on what exactly you are for. Why are you not for regulating or check and balancing the state! which would ensure more free market Equilibirum type outcomes which you seem supposedly so giddy on supporting?
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07/31/2012 08:13 PM
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There is no true free market right now.
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07/31/2012 09:56 PM
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It is funny how American leadership did it's best to implement Capitalism when it could from time to time and for the very short spurts that it did get its chance the value was so great that it lasted a very long time. Just look at the Green Back and the value of the dollar. Without such a strong dollar the banks would have had a stronger strangle hold much earlier on. It seems like they have had a hell of a time turning people away from a small taste of freedom. Karl Marx said it was Capitalism that becomes Imperialistic, but just look at how well Communism and Socialism has fared. Marx came up with many of his ideas through observation, but I am telling you now that he was witnessing natural changes in the human political system. The perfect socio-political system will come about from mans natural tendencies to establish roles and hierarchies.
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08/01/2012 02:14 PM
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I believe that the market economy works. The exchanges are fair and everyone can contribute also benefit. However, we reached a level where the terms of trade and market share is quite uneven. Between people and between nations. This inequality was not built economically, but politically. Thus, the market system, which should be fair and compensate those who work, became a justification for maintaining this imbalance is not built economically, but through brute force.
 Quoting: salwensko 1318168


So you agree we need to regulate the state then? To rectify this imbalance?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18226512


I do not think so. The state works for the market. I am not a Marxist but he has an interesting idea: the political and social organization is a reflection of the material and technological advancement. It's still early so that there are changes in our society. they will come in time. I believe that.
 Quoting: salwensko 1318168


Well, that's just false, you see, because you yourself stated that the ideal of a free market is desired and yet refuted socialism, which is the state eating the free market ( perhaps you took those positions because the concept of a free market is so popular) .

So how can you then say the state works for the market. You arnt making any sense.
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the free market does not work without government regulation. I'm not talking about the ideal market, the free hand, I am speaking of our reality. and what we see in our reality the government is working to ensure the functioning of the market
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08/01/2012 02:21 PM
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It seems that there is no understanding here about the role of government in the economy. There is no free market without government action as there is no socialism without government control. In communist ideals, the government should not exist, whichever is the free association of free men. In liberalism pursues the same thing. Look at that curious thing. So let's abandon this idea that government is unnecessary because it is not. Neither capitalism nor communism. And our government is there to ensure the functioning of a market economy. is not hard to understand.
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It must be communisim!
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It seems that there is no understanding here about the role of government in the economy. There is no free market without government action as there is no socialism without government control. In communist ideals, the government should not exist, whichever is the free association of free men. In liberalism pursues the same thing. Look at that curious thing. So let's abandon this idea that government is unnecessary because it is not. Neither capitalism nor communism. And our government is there to ensure the functioning of a market economy. is not hard to understand.
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04/30/2013 10:32 PM

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Where is Borat he used to have a thread pinned every day and then he went away and didn't even say goodbye.
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04/30/2013 10:47 PM

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I hope he comes back soon to teach the sacred doctrine of hate, right wing domestic terrorism, and intolerance especially towards gays, blacks, and jews. Its the only way on glp!!!

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