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Should Christians be Masons?

 
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Yea there will always be those who abuse blind followers, I say if you want to follow Christ, learn the Bible first, then seek a church that actually teaches it right, no the other way around. That's why so many are lead astray I believe, is that they leave it up to someone else to teach them. I am very happy with the Church I attend because if Christ didn't teach it neither do we.
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its not what is preached, rather how the church is. its a buisness now.
does your church sell books, donuts, coffiee etc?
does your pastor film him/herself?
do you guys have like $20,000 speaker set-up? do you guys pray to have a large "collection" (tiths)?
cuz thats what the church does here, and thats not to the Word of Christ at all, IMHO.
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Nope no selling of any books, Bibles are donated to those who need them, as well as snacks and coffee, all are bought by the Church from the tithing's. We only pass the plate around once, and no pressure to give, you give what you can, if you can, not giving is not frowned upon or even noticed. No filming of services, or any big stereo system set up. Very community like church with under 50 members, we have sunday school, snacks, then service. Pastor acts like one of the members not like a superstar, he likes to say, let he who is first be last and he who is last be first. To me this is what Church should be like.
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tbh, so far, thats a church id join.

last question though:
does your pastor recieve a salary?
do you know that most pastors recieve anywhere from $40-$75,000 a year?
as a pastor myself, i find that absurd, i would glady teach the bible for free w/o compensation.
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From what I know its about $300 a month, just about enough for gas cause he lives off very little social security and the Church is about a 40 min drive one way. Not much if you think about it, and i'm sure he would also do it for free if needed. Congregation insist on helping him with at least some gas money. $40-75,000 a year is ridiculous and not right.
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Archaic mason, so what makes your beliefs any more true than mine. Are they not also from a book written by man, or did aliens give you your beliefs? Or as most enlightened say, "they came from within", if so aren't they just your opinions?
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This is a really good point. I do not want to repeat the wall of text of the original post, but it seems clear that you have understood the masonic principles put forward of non-dogmatism. You are quite enlightened to realize that all opinions are just that and that it is possible that any or none may be real. By holding your opinion as your own and non-dogmatically allowing another person their opinion it leads to people being able to work harmoniously together. It is when people hold theirs as being the only possible opinion, and force it on others, that you get discord and resistance to cooperation. It is evident that being able to set aside differences to cooperate for the common good, is a godly thing to do, and to be unable to cooperate by insisting that all others agree with a single possibly flawed position, is an evil thing to do.
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Archaic mason, so what makes your beliefs any more true than mine. Are they not also from a book written by man, or did aliens give you your beliefs? Or as most enlightened say, "they came from within", if so aren't they just your opinions?
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This is a really good point. I do not want to repeat the wall of text of the original post, but it seems clear that you have understood the masonic principles put forward of non-dogmatism. You are quite enlightened to realize that all opinions are just that and that it is possible that any or none may be real. By holding your opinion as your own and non-dogmatically allowing another person their opinion it leads to people being able to work harmoniously together. It is when people hold theirs as being the only possible opinion, and force it on others, that you get discord and resistance to cooperation. It is evident that being able to set aside differences to cooperate for the common good, is a godly thing to do, and to be unable to cooperate by insisting that all others agree with a single possibly flawed position, is an evil thing to do.
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Yes, Christians walk by Faith not by sight. For Christ said blessed is he who believes without seeing. I can only tell someone my beliefs, but I will never want to harm them if they don't accept them. That is none of our job's to do for only God can judge. I wish everyone would accept Christ, but like the good book say's, many are called but few are chosen.
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its not what is preached, rather how the church is. its a buisness now.
does your church sell books, donuts, coffiee etc?
does your pastor film him/herself?
do you guys have like $20,000 speaker set-up? do you guys pray to have a large "collection" (tiths)?
cuz thats what the church does here, and thats not to the Word of Christ at all, IMHO.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Nope no selling of any books, Bibles are donated to those who need them, as well as snacks and coffee, all are bought by the Church from the tithing's. We only pass the plate around once, and no pressure to give, you give what you can, if you can, not giving is not frowned upon or even noticed. No filming of services, or any big stereo system set up. Very community like church with under 50 members, we have sunday school, snacks, then service. Pastor acts like one of the members not like a superstar, he likes to say, let he who is first be last and he who is last be first. To me this is what Church should be like.
 Quoting: @ng3l


tbh, so far, thats a church id join.

last question though:
does your pastor recieve a salary?
do you know that most pastors recieve anywhere from $40-$75,000 a year?
as a pastor myself, i find that absurd, i would glady teach the bible for free w/o compensation.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


From what I know its about $300 a month, just about enough for gas cause he lives off very little social security and the Church is about a 40 min drive one way. Not much if you think about it, and i'm sure he would also do it for free if needed. Congregation insist on helping him with at least some gas money. $40-75,000 a year is ridiculous and not right.
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your not in sother california by chance are you? lol, cuz by your explaination, i would definitly join that church lol.

ya 40-75k+
the mega churchs (like the baptist church out here really) can make a whole lot more like upwards of $400k a year, i guess the pastors skips over that whole "calmel through the eye of a needle" part hu? LMAO!
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Nope no selling of any books, Bibles are donated to those who need them, as well as snacks and coffee, all are bought by the Church from the tithing's. We only pass the plate around once, and no pressure to give, you give what you can, if you can, not giving is not frowned upon or even noticed. No filming of services, or any big stereo system set up. Very community like church with under 50 members, we have sunday school, snacks, then service. Pastor acts like one of the members not like a superstar, he likes to say, let he who is first be last and he who is last be first. To me this is what Church should be like.
 Quoting: @ng3l


tbh, so far, thats a church id join.

last question though:
does your pastor recieve a salary?
do you know that most pastors recieve anywhere from $40-$75,000 a year?
as a pastor myself, i find that absurd, i would glady teach the bible for free w/o compensation.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


From what I know its about $300 a month, just about enough for gas cause he lives off very little social security and the Church is about a 40 min drive one way. Not much if you think about it, and i'm sure he would also do it for free if needed. Congregation insist on helping him with at least some gas money. $40-75,000 a year is ridiculous and not right.
 Quoting: @ng3l


your not in sother california by chance are you? lol, cuz by your explaination, i would definitly join that church lol.

ya 40-75k+
the mega churchs (like the baptist church out here really) can make a whole lot more like upwards of $400k a year, i guess the pastors skips over that whole "calmel through the eye of a needle" part hu? LMAO!
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lol, yea they must think a camel is small or the eye of a needle is huge. And sorry don't live in Cali. I live in Phoenix,AZ.
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Christians sometimes say "we live by faith", but this is not what the Bible says. We live by the "faith of Jesus". There is plenty of evidence for the faith. The second kind of biblical "faith" is the "faith of things not seen", that is the promises of the Second Coming heaven and future new earth, judgment upon Satan. But, there is plenty of evidence for the Christian faith. The entire history of Judaism is the foundation, but also before Israel such as the city of Babylon, Iraq, and much much more. Christianity is not blind faith. There is no proof for any other gods.
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FUk YAdasbier

What ever helps the religions fall on their knees 2 bring us back to God...yet y so voilent...

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Christians sometimes say "we live by faith", but this is not what the Bible says. We live by the "faith of Jesus". There is plenty of evidence for the faith. The second kind of biblical "faith" is the "faith of things not seen", that is the promises of the Second Coming heaven and future new earth, judgment upon Satan. But, there is plenty of evidence for the Christian faith. The entire history of Judaism is the foundation, but also before Israel such as the city of Babylon, Iraq, and much much more. Christianity is not blind faith. There is no proof for any other gods.
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"For we live by faith, not by sight" 2Corinthians 5:7

Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:29
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Christians sometimes say "we live by faith", but this is not what the Bible says. We live by the "faith of Jesus". There is plenty of evidence for the faith. The second kind of biblical "faith" is the "faith of things not seen", that is the promises of the Second Coming heaven and future new earth, judgment upon Satan. But, there is plenty of evidence for the Christian faith. The entire history of Judaism is the foundation, but also before Israel such as the city of Babylon, Iraq, and much much more. Christianity is not blind faith. There is no proof for any other gods.
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"For we live by faith, not by sight" 2Corinthians 5:7

Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:29
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Oops forgot to log in, but this was me responding.
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FUk YAdasbier

What ever helps the religions fall on their knees 2 bring us back to God...yet y so voilent...

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And this guy here, your name is proper for your comment, Cursing and talking about falling on knees, the pope would say something like that. Get off your knees and quit praying to false idols and worshiping humans. I've never killed anyone, so me myself am not violent, wait wasn't it the catholic church that killed the templars supposedly. Glad I'm not catholic!
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secret societies are a failed philosophy to begin with and is completely polarizing with the concept of salvation and understanding Gods word and God himself. there are no secrets as we are told "no stone will be unturned."

also the fremasons are highly satanic in nature. they are a part of everything thats disgusting and evil on earth.
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FUk YAdasbier

What ever helps the religions fall on their knees 2 bring us back to God...yet y so voilent...

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And this guy here, your name is proper for your comment, Cursing and talking about falling on knees, the pope would say something like that. Get off your knees and quit praying to false idols and worshiping humans. I've never killed anyone, so me myself am not violent, wait wasn't it the catholic church that killed the templars supposedly. Glad I'm not catholic!
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you do know cursing and cussing right?
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FUk YAdasbier

What ever helps the religions fall on their knees 2 bring us back to God...yet y so voilent...

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And this guy here, your name is proper for your comment, Cursing and talking about falling on knees, the pope would say something like that. Get off your knees and quit praying to false idols and worshiping humans. I've never killed anyone, so me myself am not violent, wait wasn't it the catholic church that killed the templars supposedly. Glad I'm not catholic!
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you do know cursing and cussing right?
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that theres a difference.
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FUk YAdasbier

What ever helps the religions fall on their knees 2 bring us back to God...yet y so voilent...

 Quoting: Da Pope


And this guy here, your name is proper for your comment, Cursing and talking about falling on knees, the pope would say something like that. Get off your knees and quit praying to false idols and worshiping humans. I've never killed anyone, so me myself am not violent, wait wasn't it the catholic church that killed the templars supposedly. Glad I'm not catholic!
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you do know cursing and cussing right?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


that theres a difference.
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The one that means bad words is what I meant, that would be cussing I guess.
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And this guy here, your name is proper for your comment, Cursing and talking about falling on knees, the pope would say something like that. Get off your knees and quit praying to false idols and worshiping humans. I've never killed anyone, so me myself am not violent, wait wasn't it the catholic church that killed the templars supposedly. Glad I'm not catholic!
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you do know cursing and cussing right?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


that theres a difference.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


The one that means bad words is what I meant, that would be cussing I guess.
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sorry i make a big deal out of it, but, theres nothing in the bible that states not to cuss.
and i doubt there would be as the F-word didnt originate till the 15th century, Sh-word the 14th.
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FUk YAdasbier

What ever helps the religions fall on their knees 2 bring us back to God...yet y so voilent...

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And this guy here, your name is proper for your comment, Cursing and talking about falling on knees, the pope would say something like that. Get off your knees and quit praying to false idols and worshiping humans. I've never killed anyone, so me myself am not violent, wait wasn't it the catholic church that killed the templars supposedly. Glad I'm not catholic!
 Quoting: @ng3l


You know there are meanings behind words depending how you say them

I did not say Fuk u or anything like that

I simply said a word that has no negative connection to how I said it

Its all in the context you say things
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But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2 Timothy 2:16

Yea they didn't exist back then, but for me personally I don't do it because of the verse above, it leads me to think other bad stuff. Some have no problem with it, guess that's just one's own decision.
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you do know cursing and cussing right?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


that theres a difference.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


The one that means bad words is what I meant, that would be cussing I guess.
 Quoting: @ng3l


sorry i make a big deal out of it, but, theres nothing in the bible that states not to cuss.
and i doubt there would be as the F-word didnt originate till the 15th century, Sh-word the 14th.
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But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2 Timothy 2:16

Yea they didn't exist back then, but for me personally I don't do it because of the verse above, it leads me to think other bad stuff. Some have no problem with it, guess that's just one's own decision.
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I have found god,
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Oh... Really?lol
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You have to be christian to join the masons. Dont you?
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They love christians...ohyeahdance
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Hello all, I am new here and this is my first thread. Okay this is for all to answer. First off I can say that the Bible verses provided are from the KJV Bible, there is no arguing that. Just grab one and you will see. Second, the masonic quotes can be challenged due to the fact that you can show a mason these quotes from their own books & teaching's and many will still deny them due to their oaths. So let's "assume" they are accurate for arguments sake (unless any real mason's here want to confirm, which I doubt) so my question is, "assuming" masonic quotes are accurate, should a Christian be a mason? Me being a Christian you can probably guess my answer. NO! What do you guy's think?

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Should A Christian Become A Mason?
Masonic Doctrine -v- Christian Doctrine
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What is a Mason? What do they do? These are just a couple of questions you may ask. Most people know them to be a fraternal order of men that is usually involved in good civic activities, such as the Shriner's collecting money for the children's hospital. However, very little is known to the non-Mason, about what the Masons believe or what they do behind closed doors. Most Masons have never read some of the sources cited in the following. All of these Masonic sourcebooks are in the libraries of most local Lodges and the libraries of the Grand Lodges of the states. Let me further state that there are a lot of well meaning men and Christian men who are members of the Masonic lodges in small town America, and many never advance beyond the Blue Degrees. Remaining at this level, they are kept in the dark about a lot of what goes on as one obtains "more light," as they call it. If much of what is about to be disclosed, was known to a lot of these men and Christian men, they would not be a part of such an organization.

I urge those that really want to know the truth to check out these materials cited below, also before going any further, ask God to confirm in your own heart the truth as you read it.

JESUS CHRIST
In his private petitions a man may petition God or Jehovah, Allah or Buddha, Mohammed or Jesus; he may call upon the God of Israel or the First Great Cause. In the Masonic Lodge he hears petition to the Great Architect of the Universe, finding his own deity under that name. A hundred paths may wind upward around a mountain; at the top they meet." (Carl H. Claudy, "Introduction to Freemasonry." p. 38)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the Life: no man cometh to the Father, but by me. (Jn.14:6) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name {but Jesus} under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)

GOD
Since every man's conception of God must be proportioned to his mental cultivation, and intellectual powers, and moral excellence. God is, as man conceives Him, the reflected image of man himself. (Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma," 14th Degree, p. 234) "The only personal God Freemasonry accepts is humanity in toto...Humanity therefore is the only personal God that there is." (J.D. Buck, "Mystic Masonry," p. 216) "The Absolute is Reason. Reason IS, by means of itself. It IS because IT IS...If God IS, HE IS by Reason." (Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma," 28th Degree. p. 737)

In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Gen. 1:1) For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word {Jesus}, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (I Jn. 5:7) God said undo Moses, I AM THAT I AM... (Ex. 3:14)

THE HOLY BIBLE
"...the literal meaning (of the Bible) is for the vulgar only." (Albert Pike, "Digest of Morals and Dogma," p. 166) "Masonry makes no profession of Christianity...but looks forward to the time when the labor of our ancient brethren shall be symbolized by the erection of a spiritual temple...in which there shall be but one alter and one worship; one common altar of Masonry on which the Veda, Shastra, Sade, Zend-Avesta, Koran and Holy Bible shall lie...and at whose shrine the Hindoo, the Persian, the Assyrian, the Chaldean, the Egyptian, the Chinese, the Mohammedan, the Jew and the Christian may kneel..." ("The Kentucky Monitor." Fellowcraft Degree, p. 95) The removal of the name of Jesus and references to Him in Bible verses used in the ritual are "slight but necessary modifications." (Albert Mackey, "Masonic Ritualist." p. 272)

The Words of the Lord are pure words, as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. (Psa. 12:6) All Scripture is given by inspiration of God... (II Tim. 3:16) ...if they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isa. 8:20)

REDEMPTION
"These three degrees (1st, 2nd, 3rd) thus form a perfect an harmonious whole, nor can it be conceived that anything can be suggested more, which the soul of man requires." (Daniel Sickles, "Ahimon Rezon or Freemason's Guide." p. 196) "If we with suitable true devotion maintain our Masonic profession, our faith will become a beam of light an bring us to those blessed mansions where we shall be eternally happy with God, the Great Architect of the Universe." (Daniel Sickles, "Ahimon Rezon or Freemason's Guide." p. 79) "...salvation by faith and the vicarious atonement were not taught as now interpreted, by Jesus, nor are these doctrines taught in the esoteric scriptures. They are later and ignorant perversions of the original doctrines." (J.D. Buck, "Mystic Masonry." p. 57)

As it is written. There is none righteous no not one: (Rom. 3:10) For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. (Rom. 3:23) For He hath made Him {Jesus} to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. (II Cor. 5:21) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Eph. 2:8-9)

SATAN
"The conviction of all men that God is good led to a belief in a devil..." (Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma." 19th Degree, p. 324) "...there is no rebellious demon of Evil, or Principle of Darkness coexistent and in eternal controversy with God, or the Principle of Light..." (Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma," 32nd Degree, p.859)

Ye are of your father, the devil...he is a liar, and the father of it. (Jn. 8:44) Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. (Jas. 4:7) Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Eph. 6:11-12) ...your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. (I Pet. 5:8)

TRUTHFULNESS
The Mason Doctrine teaches that it right to lie, if necessary to protect the secrets of the Lodge, or to protect brother Masons by concealing his wrongdoing. It can even be right to deliberately deceive sincere Masons seeking to learn the lessons and secrets of Masonry.

"The Blue Degrees are but the portico (porch) of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them...their true ecplication (explanation / understanding) is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry." (Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma," 30th Degree, p. 189) "You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons...and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations." (Ronayne, "Handbook of Masonry." p. 183) "Furthermore do I promise and swear that a Master Mason's secrets, given to me in charge as such, and I knowing them to be such, shall remain as secure and inviolable in my breast as in his own, when communicated to me, murder and treason excepted; and they left to my own election." (Master Mason's / 3rd Degree Oath of Obligation)

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. (Ex. 20:16) Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another. (Lev. 19:11) ...lie not to one another. (Col. 3:9) ...all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death. (Rev 21:8)

SECRECY & BLOOD OATHS
Secrecy is indispensable in a Mason of whatever degree." (Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma," 4th Degree, p. 109) I...do hereon most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear that I will always hail, ever conceal and never reveal any of the arts, parts or points of the secret arts any mysteries of ancient Freemasonry which I have received, am about to receive, or may hereafter be instructed in..." (Oath of Obligation, Entered Apprentice/1st Degree, and include in all subsequent degrees, always on penalty of mayhem and violent death) "...binding myself under no less a penalty that that of having my body severed in twain, my bowels taken out and burned to ashes, the ashes scattered to the four winds of heaven..." (from the Oath of Obligation, Master Mason/Third Degree) "...In willful violation whereof may I incur the fearful penalty of having my eyeballs pierced to the center with a three-edged blade, my feet flayed and I be forced to walk the hot sands upon sterile shores of the Red Sea until the flaming Sun shall strike me with a livid plague, and may Allah, the god of Arab, Moslem and Mohammedan, the god of our fathers, support me to the entire fulfillment of the same." (from the Oath of Obligation, Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles of the Mystic Shrine ["Shriners"])

I {Jesus} spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple...and in secret have I said nothing. (Jn. 18:20) Provide things honest in the sight of all men. (Rom. 12:17) Thou shalt not kill (murder). (Ex. 20:13) But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. (Jas. 5:12)

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WOW!, I know and have read a bit of Bible, and it is just the OPPOSITE of Mason philosophy.

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I have found god,
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Oh... Really?lol
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You have to be christian to join the masons. Dont you?
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They love christians...ohyeahdance
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LOL, yea they love Christians! LOL! From what I understand you have to believe in a "Creator", it doesn't have to be God (father of Jesus) it just has to be something you call God. In other word's they will not accept an atheist, but will accept a satanist because he has something to call God.
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WOW!, I know and have read a bit of Bible, and it is just the OPPOSITE of Mason philosophy.

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Yes there are many thing's in masonry that go against The Bible.
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I have found god,
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Oh... Really?lol
 Quoting: Anon Hero 18960752


You have to be christian to join the masons. Dont you?
 Quoting: Anon Hero 18960752


They love christians...ohyeahdance
 Quoting: Anon Hero 18960752


LOL, yea they love Christians! LOL! From what I understand you have to believe in a "Creator", it doesn't have to be God (father of Jesus) it just has to be something you call God. In other word's they will not accept an atheist, but will accept a satanist because he has something to call God.
 Quoting: @ng3l


no i doubt that, as Satan is a creation not a Creator.
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I have found god,
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Oh... Really?lol
 Quoting: Anon Hero 18960752


You have to be christian to join the masons. Dont you?
 Quoting: Anon Hero 18960752


They love christians...ohyeahdance
 Quoting: Anon Hero 18960752


LOL, yea they love Christians! LOL! From what I understand you have to believe in a "Creator", it doesn't have to be God (father of Jesus) it just has to be something you call God. In other word's they will not accept an atheist, but will accept a satanist because he has something to call God.
 Quoting: @ng3l


no i doubt that, as Satan is a creation not a Creator.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Yea we know that, but for masonry that is enough to be accepted, as long as you call something God that is all they ask. So I've heard.
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To go back the earlier portions of this thread. The mason that was speaking specifically. I am not a mason but everything he was saying was honest and humble and yet everybody seemed to attack him. He speaks truth when he says all true knowledge is knowledge found within oneself. Those who don't know it are simply choosing not to see it or transcend their own ego self. Don't have to be a mason to recognize truth
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The actions that that are being taken on you and your friends is not because I care. It's only an example to others of what happens when you fuck with me.
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orlyowlnorespect
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


LOL! typical FM throwen up the owl! LMAO!
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FM? Faggot Mason?
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ya biiiig man when you sit behind a computer.
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Are you too retarded to know the difference of what you can do to someone in cyberspace vs. in real life in the physical sense. As far as the physical sense goes, it would be useless to brag about those abilities online, therefore your comment shows that your retarded. The end.
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ya biiiig man when you sit behind a computer.
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Are you too retarded to know the difference of what you can do to someone in cyberspace vs. in real life in the physical sense. As far as the physical sense goes, it would be useless to brag about those abilities online, therefore your comment shows that your retarded. The end.
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ya? so you talk a tough game then use cyberwar? LOL, hsve fun, i have Cyber hommies you may have heard of.

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