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Should Christians be Masons?

 
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Re: Should Christians be Masons?
Perhaps a better question would be-
Should a Christian join the Benevolent and Fraternal Order of Drywall Hangers?
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OK well I thought I would add these links to my thread. Here is what I found when looking for 1,2,& 3rd degree initiations. Make sure you have some time to read because these rituals are very long.

1st Degree (Entered Apprentice Degree)
[link to www.ephesians5-11.org]

2nd Degree (Fellow Craft Degree)
[link to www.ephesians5-11.org]

3rd Degree (Master Mason Degree)
[link to www.ephesians5-11.org]
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masons are scum, theres a reason the russians did away with them
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The actions that that are being taken on you and your friends is not because I care. It's only an example to others of what happens when you fuck with me.
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The actions that that are being taken on you and your friends is not because I care. It's only an example to others of what happens when you fuck with me.
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:orlyowl:norespect
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LOL! typical FM throwen up the owl! LMAO!
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No, Christians can't be Masons as they must denounce Christ in the oath. Masons are a secret society with an inner sanctum that practice rituals in the dark. Jesus warned his followers about attaching themselves to any secret societies, as he does everything in the open. I even advise Christians against joining frats and sororities, which are gateways (and affiliated) to secret societies such a freemasonry.
 Quoting: VRWil 16697477


dude you really need to read your bible agsin.
Christ stated in Matthew to go into your closet, in the dark to pray, did He not?
and not to anounce the good deeds you've done to others right?
and not to preach on street corners right?

and please provide a passage that states not to join secret societies?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Man, freemasonry is not for Christians. You do your homework.
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NO!
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OK well I thought I would add these links to my thread. Here is what I found when looking for 1,2,& 3rd degree initiations. Make sure you have some time to read because these rituals are very long.

1st Degree (Entered Apprentice Degree)
[link to www.ephesians5-11.org]

2nd Degree (Fellow Craft Degree)
[link to www.ephesians5-11.org]

3rd Degree (Master Mason Degree)
[link to www.ephesians5-11.org]
 Quoting: @ng3l


[link to www.freemasonrywatch.org]

KNIGHTS KADOSH -- THIRTIETH DEGREE
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OK well I thought I would add these links to my thread. Here is what I found when looking for 1,2,& 3rd degree initiations. Make sure you have some time to read because these rituals are very long.

1st Degree (Entered Apprentice Degree)
[link to www.ephesians5-11.org]

2nd Degree (Fellow Craft Degree)
[link to www.ephesians5-11.org]

3rd Degree (Master Mason Degree)
[link to www.ephesians5-11.org]
 Quoting: @ng3l


[link to www.freemasonrywatch.org]

KNIGHTS KADOSH -- THIRTIETH DEGREE
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Thanks for the link, will read when I get some time as I know most of these rituals are very long. Thx again.
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No, Christians can't be Masons as they must denounce Christ in the oath. Masons are a secret society with an inner sanctum that practice rituals in the dark. Jesus warned his followers about attaching themselves to any secret societies, as he does everything in the open. I even advise Christians against joining frats and sororities, which are gateways (and affiliated) to secret societies such a freemasonry.
 Quoting: VRWil 16697477


dude you really need to read your bible agsin.
Christ stated in Matthew to go into your closet, in the dark to pray, did He not?
and not to anounce the good deeds you've done to others right?
and not to preach on street corners right?

and please provide a passage that states not to join secret societies?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Man, freemasonry is not for Christians. You do your homework.
 Quoting: VRWil 16697477


LOL, i never stated it was.
however when people misquote the bible wether it be for or against my arguement, i will say something.
in this case, Jesus didnt state to do everything in the open, nor does the bible say not to join secret societys, as suggested by the poster i quoted.
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No, Christians can't be Masons as they must denounce Christ in the oath. Masons are a secret society with an inner sanctum that practice rituals in the dark. Jesus warned his followers about attaching themselves to any secret societies, as he does everything in the open. I even advise Christians against joining frats and sororities, which are gateways (and affiliated) to secret societies such a freemasonry.
 Quoting: VRWil 16697477


dude you really need to read your bible agsin.
Christ stated in Matthew to go into your closet, in the dark to pray, did He not?

and not to anounce the good deeds you've done to others right?
and not to preach on street corners right?
and please provide a passage that states not to join secret societies?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Man, freemasonry is not for Christians. You do your homework.
 Quoting: VRWil 16697477


LOL, i never stated it was.
however when people misquote the bible wether it be for or against my arguement, i will say something.
in this case, Jesus didnt state to do everything in the open, nor does the bible say not to join secret societys, as suggested by the poster i quoted.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


VRWIL has valid points as does KRIME, First Christ did say to pray in your room , but I doubt what masons do in the dark is prayer. Second The Bible does say to not announce your good deeds to others, let not the right hand know what the left hand does, with that said Shriner's announce what they do for charity's and give themselves the glory instead of giving God the glory which is against the teaching's of Christ. VRWIL is right when he say's Christ was against organisations like masonry, but Christ did not say masonry specifically or secret societies, instead he said that the gospel should be spread to the end of the world, it is hard to do that if one is a mason for they instead keep their teachings a secret and do not share to the world freely, so in a way by them going against Christ wishes, that is something Christ spoke against, again not directly, but by going against Christ teaching's. I think you both agree Christians should not be mason's, but have a misunderstanding with the way you express that belief. The word secret society is very wrong for me for this reason, prayers should be in the dark for those are personal thing's between God and the person praying, but society should not be secret, the only time a whole society wants to be secret in my opinion is when they have something to hide, for the Word of God is to be spread not kept.
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dude you really need to read your bible agsin.
Christ stated in Matthew to go into your closet, in the dark to pray, did He not?

and not to anounce the good deeds you've done to others right?
and not to preach on street corners right?
and please provide a passage that states not to join secret societies?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Man, freemasonry is not for Christians. You do your homework.
 Quoting: VRWil 16697477


LOL, i never stated it was.
however when people misquote the bible wether it be for or against my arguement, i will say something.
in this case, Jesus didnt state to do everything in the open, nor does the bible say not to join secret societys, as suggested by the poster i quoted.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


VRWIL has valid points as does KRIME, First Christ did say to pray in your room , but I doubt what masons do in the dark is prayer. Second The Bible does say to not announce your good deeds to others, let not the right hand know what the left hand does, with that said Shriner's announce what they do for charity's and give themselves the glory instead of giving God the glory which is against the teaching's of Christ. VRWIL is right when he say's Christ was against organisations like masonry, but Christ did not say masonry specifically or secret societies, instead he said that the gospel should be spread to the end of the world, it is hard to do that if one is a mason for they instead keep their teachings a secret and do not share to the world freely, so in a way by them going against Christ wishes, that is something Christ spoke against, again not directly, but by going against Christ teaching's. I think you both agree Christians should not be mason's, but have a misunderstanding with the way you express that belief. The word secret society is very wrong for me for this reason, prayers should be in the dark for those are personal thing's between God and the person praying, but society should not be secret, the only time a whole society wants to be secret in my opinion is when they have something to hide, for the Word of God is to be spread not kept.
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oh i agree, exept the part where you say Christ was against organizations. He didnt mention anything on that subject, and ya cant just go around sayen Jesus said shit He didnt.

however, i believe, if the Masons have any evidence, no matter how small or insugnificant it may be, it is their duty (if really a Christian) to announce to the world said finding, so that we may all believe the truth. or it may even lead one thats Atheist to find the evidence they were looking for.
So, if you're a "Christian Mason" and you're hiding evidence of God/Jesus, that which may bring non-believers to the faith, then you're really not doing God's work, and therefor are not Christian.
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Re: Should Christians be Masons?
There are FM who do claim to be Christians, for sure. I've seen them in the last church I was in, high up running things. The York Rite has a christian wing of FM where they must profess to be 'christian'.

The problem is who they answer to; who they serve. Who they join with also, such as Islam and others.

It is the 'beast' of the Bible or part of it.
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Man, freemasonry is not for Christians. You do your homework.
 Quoting: VRWil 16697477


LOL, i never stated it was.
however when people misquote the bible wether it be for or against my arguement, i will say something.
in this case, Jesus didnt state to do everything in the open, nor does the bible say not to join secret societys, as suggested by the poster i quoted.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


VRWIL has valid points as does KRIME, First Christ did say to pray in your room , but I doubt what masons do in the dark is prayer. Second The Bible does say to not announce your good deeds to others, let not the right hand know what the left hand does, with that said Shriner's announce what they do for charity's and give themselves the glory instead of giving God the glory which is against the teaching's of Christ. VRWIL is right when he say's Christ was against organisations like masonry, but Christ did not say masonry specifically or secret societies, instead he said that the gospel should be spread to the end of the world, it is hard to do that if one is a mason for they instead keep their teachings a secret and do not share to the world freely, so in a way by them going against Christ wishes, that is something Christ spoke against, again not directly, but by going against Christ teaching's. I think you both agree Christians should not be mason's, but have a misunderstanding with the way you express that belief. The word secret society is very wrong for me for this reason, prayers should be in the dark for those are personal thing's between God and the person praying, but society should not be secret, the only time a whole society wants to be secret in my opinion is when they have something to hide, for the Word of God is to be spread not kept.
 Quoting: @ng3l


oh i agree, exept the part where you say Christ was against organizations. He didnt mention anything on that subject, and ya cant just go around sayen Jesus said shit He didnt.

however, i believe, if the Masons have any evidence, no matter how small or insugnificant it may be, it is their duty (if really a Christian) to announce to the world said finding, so that we may all believe the truth. or it may even lead one thats Atheist to find the evidence they were looking for.
So, if you're a "Christian Mason" and you're hiding evidence of God/Jesus, that which may bring non-believers to the faith, then you're really not doing God's work, and therefor are not Christian.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


I guess the point I was trying to make is that Christ spoke against anything that was against the word of God, whether it be a org. or an individual, so if an org. goes against Christ one could say Christ spoke against it, he did not say the word "org" but the teachings of that org. You get what I'm trying to say?
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Christians can be masons, but they will all end up in hell.

VERY SOON they will all go to hell with their father the devil.

Stay away from those masonic scumbags, their days are numbered, and soon they will all see that they have run out of time.

They will all see that their bosses, the harlot queen and all their scumbag followers are going to burn for eternity with their father.

The masons are evil and will get what they deserve.
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ya i get what you're saying, however you must consider the individual as well not just the "org". take for example, not every sect of Christianity follows the Word of Christ either, so how different would that be from the FM?
tbh, if you go against one, you must go against the other too right?
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Christians can be masons, but they will all end up in hell.

VERY SOON they will all go to hell with their father the devil.

Stay away from those masonic scumbags, their days are numbered, and soon they will all see that they have run out of time.

They will all see that their bosses, the harlot queen and all their scumbag followers are going to burn for eternity with their father.

The masons are evil and will get what they deserve.
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and you're able to judge this because you're perfect?
what makes you believe you're not going to hell too?
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ya i get what you're saying, however you must consider the individual as well not just the "org". take for example, not every sect of Christianity follows the Word of Christ either, so how different would that be from the FM?
tbh, if you go against one, you must go against the other too right?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Agreed. In the end, each individual will have to answer for their deeds.
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ya i get what you're saying, however you must consider the individual as well not just the "org". take for example, not every sect of Christianity follows the Word of Christ either, so how different would that be from the FM?
tbh, if you go against one, you must go against the other too right?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Agreed. In the end, each individual will have to answer for their deeds.
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might i ask what sect of Christian you are, if any?
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ya i get what you're saying, however you must consider the individual as well not just the "org". take for example, not every sect of Christianity follows the Word of Christ either, so how different would that be from the FM?
tbh, if you go against one, you must go against the other too right?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Agreed. In the end, each individual will have to answer for their deeds.
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might i ask what sect of Christian you are, if any?
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Baptist.
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ya i get what you're saying, however you must consider the individual as well not just the "org". take for example, not every sect of Christianity follows the Word of Christ either, so how different would that be from the FM?
tbh, if you go against one, you must go against the other too right?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Agreed. In the end, each individual will have to answer for their deeds.
 Quoting: @ng3l


might i ask what sect of Christian you are, if any?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Baptist.
 Quoting: @ng3l


funny Baptists were created by John Smyth in 1609, which is kinda funny cuz Mormans were founded by John Smith, i know 2 different things entirely.

although i agree with some of Baptists teachings like, professing your faith (no infant baptising) and full imersion while being baptised, i dont much like the way the church is run (around here anyways.
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Agreed. In the end, each individual will have to answer for their deeds.
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might i ask what sect of Christian you are, if any?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Baptist.
 Quoting: @ng3l


funny Baptists were created by John Smyth in 1609, which is kinda funny cuz Mormans were founded by John Smith, i know 2 different things entirely.

although i agree with some of Baptists teachings like, professing your faith (no infant baptising) and full imersion while being baptised, i dont much like the way the church is run (around here anyways.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Yea there will always be those who abuse blind followers, I say if you want to follow Christ, learn the Bible first, then seek a church that actually teaches it right, no the other way around. That's why so many are lead astray I believe, is that they leave it up to someone else to teach them. I am very happy with the Church I attend because if Christ didn't teach it neither do we.
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might i ask what sect of Christian you are, if any?
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Baptist.
 Quoting: @ng3l


funny Baptists were created by John Smyth in 1609, which is kinda funny cuz Mormans were founded by John Smith, i know 2 different things entirely.

although i agree with some of Baptists teachings like, professing your faith (no infant baptising) and full imersion while being baptised, i dont much like the way the church is run (around here anyways.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Yea there will always be those who abuse blind followers, I say if you want to follow Christ, learn the Bible first, then seek a church that actually teaches it right, no the other way around. That's why so many are lead astray I believe, is that they leave it up to someone else to teach them. I am very happy with the Church I attend because if Christ didn't teach it neither do we.
 Quoting: @ng3l


its not what is preached, rather how the church is. its a buisness now.
does your church sell books, donuts, coffiee etc?
does your pastor film him/herself?
do you guys have like $20,000 speaker set-up? do you guys pray to have a large "collection" (tiths)?
cuz thats what the church does here, and thats not to the Word of Christ at all, IMHO.
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Baptist.
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funny Baptists were created by John Smyth in 1609, which is kinda funny cuz Mormans were founded by John Smith, i know 2 different things entirely.

although i agree with some of Baptists teachings like, professing your faith (no infant baptising) and full imersion while being baptised, i dont much like the way the church is run (around here anyways.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Yea there will always be those who abuse blind followers, I say if you want to follow Christ, learn the Bible first, then seek a church that actually teaches it right, no the other way around. That's why so many are lead astray I believe, is that they leave it up to someone else to teach them. I am very happy with the Church I attend because if Christ didn't teach it neither do we.
 Quoting: @ng3l


its not what is preached, rather how the church is. its a buisness now.
does your church sell books, donuts, coffiee etc?
does your pastor film him/herself?
do you guys have like $20,000 speaker set-up? do you guys pray to have a large "collection" (tiths)?
cuz thats what the church does here, and thats not to the Word of Christ at all, IMHO.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Nope no selling of any books, Bibles are donated to those who need them, as well as snacks and coffee, all are bought by the Church from the tithing's. We only pass the plate around once, and no pressure to give, you give what you can, if you can, not giving is not frowned upon or even noticed. No filming of services, or any big stereo system set up. Very community like church with under 50 members, we have sunday school, snacks, then service. Pastor acts like one of the members not like a superstar, he likes to say, let he who is first be last and he who is last be first. To me this is what Church should be like.
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funny Baptists were created by John Smyth in 1609, which is kinda funny cuz Mormans were founded by John Smith, i know 2 different things entirely.

although i agree with some of Baptists teachings like, professing your faith (no infant baptising) and full imersion while being baptised, i dont much like the way the church is run (around here anyways.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Yea there will always be those who abuse blind followers, I say if you want to follow Christ, learn the Bible first, then seek a church that actually teaches it right, no the other way around. That's why so many are lead astray I believe, is that they leave it up to someone else to teach them. I am very happy with the Church I attend because if Christ didn't teach it neither do we.
 Quoting: @ng3l


its not what is preached, rather how the church is. its a buisness now.
does your church sell books, donuts, coffiee etc?
does your pastor film him/herself?
do you guys have like $20,000 speaker set-up? do you guys pray to have a large "collection" (tiths)?
cuz thats what the church does here, and thats not to the Word of Christ at all, IMHO.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Nope no selling of any books, Bibles are donated to those who need them, as well as snacks and coffee, all are bought by the Church from the tithing's. We only pass the plate around once, and no pressure to give, you give what you can, if you can, not giving is not frowned upon or even noticed. No filming of services, or any big stereo system set up. Very community like church with under 50 members, we have sunday school, snacks, then service. Pastor acts like one of the members not like a superstar, he likes to say, let he who is first be last and he who is last be first. To me this is what Church should be like.
 Quoting: @ng3l


tbh, so far, thats a church id join.

last question though:
does your pastor recieve a salary?
do you know that most pastors recieve anywhere from $40-$75,000 a year?
as a pastor myself, i find that absurd, i would glady teach the bible for free w/o compensation.
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Yea there will always be those who abuse blind followers, I say if you want to follow Christ, learn the Bible first, then seek a church that actually teaches it right, no the other way around. That's why so many are lead astray I believe, is that they leave it up to someone else to teach them. I am very happy with the Church I attend because if Christ didn't teach it neither do we.
 Quoting: @ng3l


its not what is preached, rather how the church is. its a buisness now.
does your church sell books, donuts, coffiee etc?
does your pastor film him/herself?
do you guys have like $20,000 speaker set-up? do you guys pray to have a large "collection" (tiths)?
cuz thats what the church does here, and thats not to the Word of Christ at all, IMHO.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


Nope no selling of any books, Bibles are donated to those who need them, as well as snacks and coffee, all are bought by the Church from the tithing's. We only pass the plate around once, and no pressure to give, you give what you can, if you can, not giving is not frowned upon or even noticed. No filming of services, or any big stereo system set up. Very community like church with under 50 members, we have sunday school, snacks, then service. Pastor acts like one of the members not like a superstar, he likes to say, let he who is first be last and he who is last be first. To me this is what Church should be like.
 Quoting: @ng3l


tbh, so far, thats a church id join.

last question though:
does your pastor recieve a salary?
do you know that most pastors recieve anywhere from $40-$75,000 a year?
as a pastor myself, i find that absurd, i would glady teach the bible for free w/o compensation.
 Quoting: Krime 15335079


From what I know its about $300 a month, just about enough for gas cause he lives off very little social security and the Church is about a 40 min drive one way. Not much if you think about it, and i'm sure he would also do it for free if needed. Congregation insist on helping him with at least some gas money. $40-75,000 a year is ridiculous and not right.
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Archaic mason, so what makes your beliefs any more true than mine. Are they not also from a book written by man, or did aliens give you your beliefs? Or as most enlightened say, "they came from within", if so aren't they just your opinions?
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This is a really good point. I do not want to repeat the wall of text of the original post, but it seems clear that you have understood the masonic principles put forward of non-dogmatism. You are quite enlightened to realize that all opinions are just that and that it is possible that any or none may be real. By holding your opinion as your own and non-dogmatically allowing another person their opinion it leads to people being able to work harmoniously together. It is when people hold theirs as being the only possible opinion, and force it on others, that you get discord and resistance to cooperation. It is evident that being able to set aside differences to cooperate for the common good, is a godly thing to do, and to be unable to cooperate by insisting that all others agree with a single possibly flawed position, is an evil thing to do.
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Re: Should Christians be Masons?
Archaic mason, so what makes your beliefs any more true than mine. Are they not also from a book written by man, or did aliens give you your beliefs? Or as most enlightened say, "they came from within", if so aren't they just your opinions?
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This is a really good point. I do not want to repeat the wall of text of the original post, but it seems clear that you have understood the masonic principles put forward of non-dogmatism. You are quite enlightened to realize that all opinions are just that and that it is possible that any or none may be real. By holding your opinion as your own and non-dogmatically allowing another person their opinion it leads to people being able to work harmoniously together. It is when people hold theirs as being the only possible opinion, and force it on others, that you get discord and resistance to cooperation. It is evident that being able to set aside differences to cooperate for the common good, is a godly thing to do, and to be unable to cooperate by insisting that all others agree with a single possibly flawed position, is an evil thing to do.
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Yes, Christians walk by Faith not by sight. For Christ said blessed is he who believes without seeing. I can only tell someone my beliefs, but I will never want to harm them if they don't accept them. That is none of our job's to do for only God can judge. I wish everyone would accept Christ, but like the good book say's, many are called but few are chosen.
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its not what is preached, rather how the church is. its a buisness now.
does your church sell books, donuts, coffiee etc?
does your pastor film him/herself?
do you guys have like $20,000 speaker set-up? do you guys pray to have a large "collection" (tiths)?
cuz thats what the church does here, and thats not to the Word of Christ at all, IMHO.
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Nope no selling of any books, Bibles are donated to those who need them, as well as snacks and coffee, all are bought by the Church from the tithing's. We only pass the plate around once, and no pressure to give, you give what you can, if you can, not giving is not frowned upon or even noticed. No filming of services, or any big stereo system set up. Very community like church with under 50 members, we have sunday school, snacks, then service. Pastor acts like one of the members not like a superstar, he likes to say, let he who is first be last and he who is last be first. To me this is what Church should be like.
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tbh, so far, thats a church id join.

last question though:
does your pastor recieve a salary?
do you know that most pastors recieve anywhere from $40-$75,000 a year?
as a pastor myself, i find that absurd, i would glady teach the bible for free w/o compensation.
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From what I know its about $300 a month, just about enough for gas cause he lives off very little social security and the Church is about a 40 min drive one way. Not much if you think about it, and i'm sure he would also do it for free if needed. Congregation insist on helping him with at least some gas money. $40-75,000 a year is ridiculous and not right.
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your not in sother california by chance are you? lol, cuz by your explaination, i would definitly join that church lol.

ya 40-75k+
the mega churchs (like the baptist church out here really) can make a whole lot more like upwards of $400k a year, i guess the pastors skips over that whole "calmel through the eye of a needle" part hu? LMAO!





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