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The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.

 
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The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
We all agree the most important thing we need to survive, apart from oxygen is water.

Clean drinking water can mean life or death, being sick or staying healthy.

A good way to ensure you have this is by getting yourself a pressure cooker and some copper/stainless steel tubing.


Put the tube over the pressure spout (where the steams comes out). Curl it if you can . Boil the water in the pressure cooker. The water from the condensed steam that comes out will be pure, no matter how dirty the starting water was.

Low tech , easy to do, every house should have one.


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08/01/2012 03:20 AM
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
OK, stupid question, but are pressure cookers electric? Or would you just use it over a fire?
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
I was going to say the most important piece of equipment was a Distillation Apparatus.

Because not only can you purify your Water but you can make Fuel.

And medicines if you have the skill.
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
OK, stupid question, but are pressure cookers electric? Or would you just use it over a fire?
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You can use them over a fire.

The reason you use a pressure cooker is because it is hermetically sealed.
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08/01/2012 03:28 AM

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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
OK, stupid question, but are pressure cookers electric? Or would you just use it over a fire?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6383062



You can use them over a fire.

The reason you use a pressure cooker is because it is hermetically sealed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


Spot on. Plus its very efficient due to the seals.
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08/01/2012 03:29 AM
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
Ive seen people use beer kegs with a big reflux condenser connected above it for making ethanol fuel.
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A post on GLP that is of merit?!?!?!?

Kudos op, and thanks. Free bump.
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
I was going to say the most important piece of equipment was a Distillation Apparatus.

Because not only can you purify your Water but you can make Fuel.

And medicines if you have the skill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


Agreed, but thats a little trickier to make/ operate.

In a long term scenario, definetly have one or atleast the material and knowhow to make one.

A pressure cooker and some tubing is easy to just grab and chuck in the car, or even chuck it in a backpack. Its so important, the weight would be worth it.

CROW
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
Ummmm, about those seals?

Mine kept escaping back to the sea....wtf

I need to keep the pressure cooker in a cage to stop the seals escaping?

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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
Ive seen people use beer kegs with a big reflux condenser connected above it for making ethanol fuel.
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I have a half size keg put aside just for that purpose .

Good call.

CROW
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
A pressure cooker with some copper tubing is at a rudimentary level an Alembic.

It does distillation.
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
Ummmm, about those seals?

Mine kept escaping back to the sea....wtf

I need to keep the pressure cooker in a cage to stop the seals escaping?

crazyjak
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Thats why you should also carry a beach ball...keeps them entertained.
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
Ummmm, about those seals?

Mine kept escaping back to the sea....wtf

I need to keep the pressure cooker in a cage to stop the seals escaping?

crazyjak
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You must ensure the containment of your Vapor, lest it Avolate into the air.
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
Very cool trick. Op. That will be handy.
hf
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
A pressure cooker with some copper tubing is at a rudimentary level an Alembic.

It does distillation.
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Cool. Ever tried it?. What purity of alcohol can one achieve?
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A post on GLP that is of merit?!?!?!?

Kudos op, and thanks. Free bump.
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Yea, every once in a while one of these will slip through in between the moon is in the wrong place and Planet Nimbooboo.
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
Very cool trick. Op. That will be handy.
hf
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Most welcome.hf
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
A pressure cooker with some copper tubing is at a rudimentary level an Alembic.

It does distillation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


Cool. Ever tried it?. What purity of alcohol can one achieve?
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You can get 99% pure if you give it another pass through the distiller.

But depending on how you build it you can get fuel grade with one distill.

It comes down to how effective your apparatus is.
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
OK, stupid question, but are pressure cookers electric? Or would you just use it over a fire?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6383062



You can use them over a fire.

The reason you use a pressure cooker is because it is hermetically sealed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


Spot on. Plus its very efficient due to the seals.
 Quoting: CROW


Thanks for those answers. And, with some modifications, a pressure cooker could be used for a still, right?
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08/01/2012 03:41 AM
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
Dont forget..chemicals that have a lower boiling temp than water will still be distilled and end up being in your so called clean water
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Yes if but if you plan on drinking the Alcohol you have to make sure the vapors only touch copper.

Or else you can contaminate the solvent and you will go blind lol.
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
Dont forget..chemicals that have a lower boiling temp than water will still be distilled and end up being in your so called clean water
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You could boil the water before you distill it.
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
Dont forget..chemicals that have a lower boiling temp than water will still be distilled and end up being in your so called clean water
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Excellent point.
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
Dont forget..chemicals that have a lower boiling temp than water will still be distilled and end up being in your so called clean water
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Excellent point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6383062


Its true, but you have to start somewhere. Choosing your source of water is very important. So is a simple pre filter, maybe through some carbon (from the fire)

The bottom line is that without water, youre going to die.

CROW
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
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Uh.. your brain! Train it well before-hand, with the right know-how, and you ought to be able to adapt to any situation
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The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
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Uh.. your brain! Train it well before-hand, with the right know-how, and you ought to be able to adapt to any situation
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OK, sure, but I dont consider my brain part of my "equipment". I always have it on me. Its me.
Im talking about pieces of equipment that can help your brain and your hands overcome problems, like lack of water :)
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08/01/2012 04:26 AM
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A 1969 Javelin with a super charger =)
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
A 1969 Javelin with a super charger =)
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I have no idea what that is, but it sounds imposing.
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Re: The Most important piece of equipment to have Post SHTF.
Would choose a quality drip filter like the Katadyn expedition candle-filter instead.

Great to be able to distill water but takes a lot of energy or time to do. A candle filter has a 2.5gal reservoir, you put raw water up top and 24hrs later it is all filtered. Easy to clean the candles when pores are clogged, just scrub lightly with a Scotch-Brite pad. We've been using one in our home for almost 10yrs. Clean it about every 8mos, the candles are like new and will last forever if they don't freeze while in use.

Backpacker's filter like the MSR will mate its output to a Nalgene bottle or Camelback or Dromedary bag. No worries of contamination pouring water to bag or container. Pretty handy to pump direct into your backpack bladder hydration pack.

We use vodka to make herbal tinctures, Everclear is also a good medium for tinctures and medicinals.


Hopefully you are set and have your self-sufficiency must haves sorted out.

Probably the most effective piece of gear to help you avoid trouble rather than have to fight it is a Good Quality binocular or spotting scope. Fujinon M22 binoculars are often found for about $150. Very comparable to Zeiss or Leitz optics, but a bit heavier for extended observation 8x50mm lenses are great even in low light. A decent 60mm spotting scope like a Kowa, Fujinon, Bushnell Spacemaster or Nikon/Pentax etc will be worth a great deal. Small binos or a monocular for your shirt pocket is also worth the money.

Also looks like a basic handloading setup with a few Lee bullet molds should be on your list if you are a serious gun-owner.

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