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Greetings to all.

I am a skeptic by nature. Large. When I saw YouTube vids about 4 years ago claiming the sun is setting farther north than same time the year previous, I dismissed it. I saw nothing of the sort. I like to see things like this with my own eyes if I am going to believe it.

I love sunsets. I have a million pictures of sunsets from every place I have been. The way the sky paints itself in unreplicable colours and shades has amazed me since I was a little girl. I particularly love the sunsets through my living room windows, which face due west.

Two years ago I remarked to my husband that the sun appeared to be setting slightly more north than it had they years prior. I noticed this from the positions I would have to take in order to capture a great backyard sunset shot. Some trees presented as visual obstacles when they weren't before. I thought about those videos with a little more interest, and read a little bit about some claims of the sun's movement, but once again put the thought at the back of my mind.

Well this year did it for me. I have a small shade garden on the north end of my house. There are hedges and a shed and of course the house, all of which have provided adequate shade for sun shy hostas, pulmonaria, lamium and impatients. At night it is very dark and I have never been able to successfully use solar path lights because the area never got enough sun to provide a good charge. THIS YEAR is different!!! There is a clear patch of almost all-day sun in an area that was always shaded. My shade-dwelling perennials are burning and shriveling. I could very easily tap a solar path light in there that could charge basically all day long providing good night light. WTF IS GOING ON???

Yes friends, this to me is 100% proof that the sun is farther north in the sky than it has been in previous years. Why won't the mainstream acknowledge this? I have recenlyt seen video of aboriginal peoples in different parts of the world who attest to the sun's movement. Can we get some scientific acknowledgement, please??

Please post your personal evidence / stories here, would love to learn more about what others are experiencing.

Thanks and hf

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if it's on youtube then it must be true lmao
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It's still moving!
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Yes, I have noticed it sets more North aswell. I used to "follow" the sun behind my neighbours chimney when it set, now it goes way past my neighbours chimney. It also seems to rise more to the North east - but that could be seasons, after all I live in Denmark.

Norway, where I come from, sun barely sets in the summertime.
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Thanks. hf
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"The essence of the independent mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks."
~ Hitchens

"A mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam."
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I LOVE science and I LOVE space but I am hugely skeptical and don't trust a word NASA says.
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You notice from the shade? what about all the telescopes pointing at it pro and amateur? what about eclipses that still happen when they are said to happen?

Do you realise how silly it sounds when you say the Sun has moved!
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Of course. The Sun is always moving.
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You notice from the shade? what about all the telescopes pointing at it pro and amateur? what about eclipses that still happen when they are said to happen?

Do you realise how silly it sounds when you say the Sun has moved!
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Ok I will admit that saying "the sun has moved" sounds silly. I mean it figuratively of course, in that it appears to have moved - or is in a different location - than same time years prior. I understand that it is more likely the Earth changing its axis or perhaps a perturbation in the ecliptic. I'm not of a simple mind, I just like to explain things simply.

As for eclipse times, NASA has the ability to make adjustments to their models without having to check with you. Scientists have concurred that things are not as constant and absolute in space as was once assumed.

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~ Hitchens

"The essence of the independent mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks."
~ Hitchens

"A mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam."
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it has not been as far north as it was in 20009, but its still been to far north by summer solstice. I am thinking maybe equinox is going to be early again, as it was this spring by 3 weeks.
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You notice from the shade? what about all the telescopes pointing at it pro and amateur? what about eclipses that still happen when they are said to happen?

Do you realise how silly it sounds when you say the Sun has moved!
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As for eclipse times, NASA has the ability to make adjustments to their models without having to check with you. Scientists have concurred that things are not as constant and absolute in space as was once assumed.
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I didn't say they had to check with me?

Eclipses are prdicted many years before they happen. The next Solar eclipse in is November.
[link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov]



The largest uncertainty in the eclipse predictions is caused by fluctuations in Earth's rotation due primarily to tidal friction of the Moon. The resultant drift in apparent clock time is expressed as ΔT and is determined as follows:
[link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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Of course. The Sun is always moving.
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I don't think this person has any idea what you're talking about.
Yes, i live along the gulf coast and i go watch the sun set each evening on the bay and i can tell you, it has definitely moved to the north.
Where the sun used to set over the water, it sets now over a little island now in the evenings. I noticed this happening about 2 yrs ago and thought it was very odd.
From where it used to set to where it sets now is a good distance too, and i'd guess its about 25 degrees more north now!
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Of course. The Sun is always moving.
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I don't think this person has any idea what you're talking about.
Yes, i live along the gulf coast and i go watch the sun set each evening on the bay and i can tell you, it has definitely moved to the north.
Where the sun used to set over the water, it sets now over a little island now in the evenings. I noticed this happening about 2 yrs ago and thought it was very odd.
From where it used to set to where it sets now is a good distance too, and i'd guess its about 25 degrees more north now!
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hf

Thanks for your input!
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"It is our innate solidarity - not some despotism of the sky - that is our source of morality and sense of decency."
~ Hitchens

"The essence of the independent mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks."
~ Hitchens

"A mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam."
~ Sagan

I LOVE science and I LOVE space but I am hugely skeptical and don't trust a word NASA says.
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Of course. The Sun is always moving.
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I don't think this person has any idea what you're talking about.
Yes, i live along the gulf coast and i go watch the sun set each evening on the bay and i can tell you, it has definitely moved to the north.
Where the sun used to set over the water, it sets now over a little island now in the evenings. I noticed this happening about 2 yrs ago and thought it was very odd.
From where it used to set to where it sets now is a good distance too, and i'd guess its about 25 degrees more north now!
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How did you come to that conclusion?
Did you sit in the same place, same time of day, same time of year, for months on end and record your findings?

Or did you just look up every now and then?
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My computer is in the corner of the kitchen at an east-facing 4'x6' window.

Until this year I had to close the blinds in the mornings to see the screen.
The sun always rose over the house directly across the street, but now it rises further to the north and is blocked by trees.

There are two doors in the living room leading to a west-facing deck.
In the past, when the sun was setting, it would shine in the door on the south end of the living room and now it shines in the one on the north end.

I've lived here since 1987 and I know it's changed.
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My front porch sits due west and I always went out to see the setting sun. Now I can't because it sets behind the tree line which is a little more north. Noticed this during all seasons the last two years.
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the sun rises and sets at different location from season to season [and it rinses and repeats every year]...next time prove it with pic of last year then this year taken on same date and same hour at same exact location.... it will be more helpful to your case...but yes! the sun and its planets/galaxy is moving /traveling thru space -- not a sitting duck in space.
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Angular reticulation.
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Earth would have to be tilting at a different angle to cause this, the effect would be the sun would appear to not be in the proper places at the proper times. You wouldn't notice this using gps, since they adjust the coordinates all the time to keep up. The only way people are going to notice it is things like this, the sun and possibly moon & stars, not appearing in their proper hard locations on the horizons.
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The axis of earth has tilted to the south.
It is the only explanation that makes sense.
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Just google "Is the sun setting more north" and you will see a lot of people are noticing this since 2007. Yes the seasons affect this but farmers plant by the seasons, so why would they notice ?
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the sun rises and sets at different location from season to season [and it rinses and repeats every year]...next time prove it with pic of last year then this year taken on same date and same hour at same exact location.... it will be more helpful to your case...but yes! the sun and its planets/galaxy is moving /traveling thru space -- not a sitting duck in space.
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I am scouring my pics to see if I have any taken exactly 364 days apart.

I will take a pic of tonight's sunset and will report back to you on August 1st, 2013.

:)
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~ Hitchens

"The essence of the independent mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks."
~ Hitchens

"A mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam."
~ Sagan

I LOVE science and I LOVE space but I am hugely skeptical and don't trust a word NASA says.
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...

That theoretical change is NOTHING compared to the constant change that happens EVERYDAY. There has ALWAYS been much more change EVERYDAY than the non-measurable values calculated from those Earthquakes.
"This could be observed as a step in the so-called excitation function, deduced from the determination of pole coordinates by space geodesy. But such a step could be hardly discernible from common hydro-meteorological processes...According to the seismic models, the recent Chile event will have the effect of disturbing the rotation pole by 8 cm in some months, small amount in comparison with the path a few meters it will achieve during this period. By handling atmospheric, oceanic and hydrologic data, this path will be modelled with a mean error of 50 cm, so that the tiny seismic effect will probably remain undiscernible. The Chile earthquake, would also have decrease the length of day, as high as 2 microseconds, that is to say below the current error on this quantity (10 microseconds), and much lower than the daily variation sometimes coming to 50 microseconds, and mainly caused by winds..."
[link to hpiers.obspm.fr]
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'non-measurable values calculated from those Earthquakes.'

So.. you are saying this report from NASA is bullshit..

[link to content.usatoday.com]

[snip]

The 9.0 magnitude earthquake that ravaged Japan also shortened Earth's day by just over one-millionth of a second (1.8 microseconds to be exact), according to NASA. It also shifted the Earth's axis by about 6.5 inches.

~

Either way.. you didn't answer the question. I think you might be full of shit..

~
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No thinking about it, you ARE full of shit.

Look at the data again, Especially the FREAKIN' PICTURES from NY.

Look at the last ten year plot. The Wobble has continued to DECREASE to the Center point [link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

Over a longer timespan [link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

Where was that Japan anomaly? Can't find it here [link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

Chile? Can't see it [link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

Looks normal on the streets as well [link to www.nydailynews.com]

You probably think a THEORETICAL Planet is real too. Why can't we see these Theoretical Planets? What? You mean someone just calculated the Planet and you can't really see it? Who'd a thunk it...
 Quoting: TBar1984


I suppose you think that by attributing some fantasy belief to me, with zero evidence of same, makes me look foolish..?

I asked you to explain how a scientifically acknowledged tilt in the earth's axis means that it has zero effect on the alignment of a telescope.

You responded with a statement that it was a non-measurable value.
I provided a link to an article with a statement from NASA that the earth had changed its axis by 6.5 inches...
Sounds like a measurable value to me. Get a ruler and look at the little marks on it.

And I'm full of shit..?

Note that I said you 'might' be full of shit.. giving you the benefit of the doubt.

You have removed all doubt.

I guess the visible universe shifted along with the earth, retaining the original aspect.

My point is that a miniscule shift in the earth's axis would be a large shift in perspective.. ratio of difference[or deviance]from previous position increases when factored with increasing distance from source..
negligible to the naked eye.


Which would lead one to surmise that 6.5 inches is a false statement since it CAN be noticed with the naked eye.

Thanks for helping me work that out.


~
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The poster, for whatever reason, neglected a response...



The axis of earth has tilted to the south.
It is the only explanation that makes sense.
 Quoting: Waterbug
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Thanks everyone for your input! Keep it coming!

hf

The more we take notice the more science will have to take notice (I think they have already anyways) and ultimately disclose the facts to us once and for all.

I hate being treated like a mushroom. Let's bring this issue out in the open and shed some light on it, finally, pun totally intended. The mainstream is bound to take notice sooner or later.

5a
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~ Hitchens

"The essence of the independent mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks."
~ Hitchens

"A mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam."
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I LOVE science and I LOVE space but I am hugely skeptical and don't trust a word NASA says.
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'non-measurable values calculated from those Earthquakes.'

So.. you are saying this report from NASA is bullshit..

[link to content.usatoday.com]

[snip]

The 9.0 magnitude earthquake that ravaged Japan also shortened Earth's day by just over one-millionth of a second (1.8 microseconds to be exact), according to NASA. It also shifted the Earth's axis by about 6.5 inches.

~

Either way.. you didn't answer the question. I think you might be full of shit..

~
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1295673

No thinking about it, you ARE full of shit.

Look at the data again, Especially the FREAKIN' PICTURES from NY.

Look at the last ten year plot. The Wobble has continued to DECREASE to the Center point [link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

Over a longer timespan [link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

Where was that Japan anomaly? Can't find it here [link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

Chile? Can't see it [link to hpiers.obspm.fr]

Looks normal on the streets as well [link to www.nydailynews.com]

You probably think a THEORETICAL Planet is real too. Why can't we see these Theoretical Planets? What? You mean someone just calculated the Planet and you can't really see it? Who'd a thunk it...
 Quoting: TBar1984


I suppose you think that by attributing some fantasy belief to me, with zero evidence of same, makes me look foolish..?

I asked you to explain how a scientifically acknowledged tilt in the earth's axis means that it has zero effect on the alignment of a telescope.

You responded with a statement that it was a non-measurable value.
I provided a link to an article with a statement from NASA that the earth had changed its axis by 6.5 inches...
Sounds like a measurable value to me. Get a ruler and look at the little marks on it.

And I'm full of shit..?

Note that I said you 'might' be full of shit.. giving you the benefit of the doubt.

You have removed all doubt.

I guess the visible universe shifted along with the earth, retaining the original aspect.

My point is that a miniscule shift in the earth's axis would be a large shift in perspective.. ratio of difference[or deviance]from previous position increases when factored with increasing distance from source..
negligible to the naked eye.


Which would lead one to surmise that 6.5 inches is a false statement since it CAN be noticed with the naked eye.

Thanks for helping me work that out.


~
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The poster, for whatever reason, neglected a response...



The axis of earth has tilted to the south.
It is the only explanation that makes sense.
 Quoting: Waterbug

 Quoting: Waterbug


Thank you!! hf
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"It is our innate solidarity - not some despotism of the sky - that is our source of morality and sense of decency."
~ Hitchens

"The essence of the independent mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks."
~ Hitchens

"A mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam."
~ Sagan

I LOVE science and I LOVE space but I am hugely skeptical and don't trust a word NASA says.
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There's a post on here from another post? Shills are out in force again! Its moved and so has the moon from the human perspective on the planet. North Star points north or does it now?North has moved too. So has the sun in my garden also. Haven't moved my Garden?
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The axis of earth has tilted to the south.
It is the only explanation that makes sense.
 Quoting: Waterbug

 Quoting: Waterbug


Thank you!! hf
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De nada.
I'm tired of people pissing on my boot and trying to tell me it's raining.

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