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Have You Noticed The Sun Has "Moved"? Post Your Evidence / Stories Here!

 
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"Compass give me crazy data..."
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"It's the downside of compact parts made for phones. A $5000 IMU that we're using right now has an error of +/- 2 degrees and in that range it seems to go crazy as well."
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


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"Now, don't forget that the sensor gives you the bearing to Magnetic North, and not True North!"

You said it compensated for local declination. It apparently does not.
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


I don't know what the guy uses, but: my software compensates local declination not the phone. And there are millions of different phones out there. Do you really believe all of them ar having the same compass hardware?
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Why do the disinfo shills keep refusing to measure the position of the Sun?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Just because it is the truth.
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

How can you know that without testing it?

You can deny it your whole life, but it is still the truth.
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

Then why can't you proof it?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Hey Retard,
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

Yo mama...

last summer I measured 8 to 10 degrees, varying from day to day. That's proof enough for myself.
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

By what method?
Show us your documentation.

What about your proof that the sun ist NOT out of place?
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

Has been presented numerous times.

How do you explain the melting in greenland?
How do you explain the animal die offs?
How do you explain the DUMBs and ghost cities?
How do you explain the heating of the other planets?
etc, pp, the WTF-List goes on and on...
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

NOT the Sun being out of place.
If YOU think these things are real and caused by being the Sun being out of place YOU have to proof that
A) they are real
B) The Sun is out of place
C) HOW the Sun out of place causes these things.

And I'm not interested in the nuts and bolts.
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

You have made a pertinent claim about the nature of reality.
Reality is NOTHING BUT nuts and bolts.

So I don't want to get caught up by you in discussing this Bullshit.
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

Glad you realise it's bullshit.


I've stated my opinion.
 Quoting: Waterbug

And it is still wrong.
book
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It rots the mind and blackens the heart.


Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans.
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Nice shill edit..
German coward..? Really..? You've stooped to that tactic..?

:turd:


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Just because it is the truth.
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

How can you know that without testing it?

You can deny it your whole life, but it is still the truth.
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

Then why can't you proof it?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Hey Retard,
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

Yo mama...

last summer I measured 8 to 10 degrees, varying from day to day. That's proof enough for myself.
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

By what method?
Show us your documentation.

What about your proof that the sun ist NOT out of place?
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

Has been presented numerous times.

How do you explain the melting in greenland?
How do you explain the animal die offs?
How do you explain the DUMBs and ghost cities?
How do you explain the heating of the other planets?
etc, pp, the WTF-List goes on and on...
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

NOT the Sun being out of place.
If YOU think these things are real and caused by being the Sun being out of place YOU have to proof that
A) they are real
B) The Sun is out of place
C) HOW the Sun out of place causes these things.

And I'm not interested in the nuts and bolts.
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

You have made a pertinent claim about the nature of reality.
Reality is NOTHING BUT nuts and bolts.

So I don't want to get caught up by you in discussing this Bullshit.
 Quoting: German Coward 21389207

Glad you realise it's bullshit.


I've stated my opinion.
 Quoting: Waterbug

And it is still wrong.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Says you.. the quote editing shill..

Simplified explanation..

The earth spins on its axis at 23.5 degrees off of vertical.
This is not constant and changes with the distribution of mass.

The amount of wobble is determined by monitoring distant objects such as quasars. The position of all the planets, earth included, is determined by celestial reference.. center of the solar system.. and calculated using 212 astronomical bodies.

To know our precise location we use Very Long Baseline Interferometry[VLBI] which can't be operated continually due to the complexity and expense.. radio-telescopic observations from all over the globe, basically. We need this information for GPS operation. It is precise but could be more precise with new ring laser gyroscopic technology which will operate from the poles. Not perfected but they are working on it.

We know that the north pole is migrating along 79 degrees West at a rate of about 10 centimeters annually and this value is increasing and accelerating. This is the rebound effect from the loss of ice mass that once covered large portions of the earth.

The Greenland melt is estimated to be increasing axial tilt by about 3 centimeters a year and is expected to increase. Ocean warming and expansion is pushing water onto shallow ocean shelves, changing the distribution of mass. This is causing the the northern pole of Earth's spin axis to shift by roughly 1.5 centimeters per year in the direction of Alaska and Hawaii.
Other factors include crust and mantle movement and effects from El Nino which also shift mass.

Warming temperature also affects rate of spin.. as do perihelion and aphelion.
There are other factors which have effects but I'm not going any further than I have at this time.

This information is not hidden. It is all available on the web..

internet
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More:

[link to stackoverflow.com]

"Compass give me crazy data..."
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


More:

[link to stackoverflow.com]

"It's the downside of compact parts made for phones. A $5000 IMU that we're using right now has an error of +/- 2 degrees and in that range it seems to go crazy as well."
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


More:

[link to stackoverflow.com]

"Now, don't forget that the sensor gives you the bearing to Magnetic North, and not True North!"

You said it compensated for local declination. It apparently does not.
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


I don't know what the guy uses, but: my software compensates local declination not the phone. And there are millions of different phones out there. Do you really believe all of them ar having the same compass hardware?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19016521


Where did I indicate I believe anything like that? Of course it would be the software *IF* there was compensation for declination. From what I found, there have been lots of problems with Android phones and compass accuracy.
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"It's the downside of compact parts made for phones. A $5000 IMU that we're using right now has an error of +/- 2 degrees and in that range it seems to go crazy as well."
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


More:

[link to stackoverflow.com]

"Now, don't forget that the sensor gives you the bearing to Magnetic North, and not True North!"

You said it compensated for local declination. It apparently does not.
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


I don't know what the guy uses, but: my software compensates local declination not the phone. And there are millions of different phones out there. Do you really believe all of them ar having the same compass hardware?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19016521
:pop:
 Quoting: Waterbug


And STILL you continue to post while avoiding spelling out the amount you claim the sun is out of place. Telling, that...
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It was answered back here Thread: Have You Noticed The Sun Has "Moved"? Post Your Evidence / Stories Here! (Page 25)

Nutation [link to en.wikipedia.org] They even have pretty pictures for You.

I'll post the procedure I post every time the 'tards bring up this subject. You don't need a compass to check the bearing of Sunset/Rise. All you have to do is use the Ruler Tool in Google Earth to measure the bearing of some conspicuous place near you, that you stand, to the landmark the sun is behind. It's good for those that have really bad compasses and don't know what Variation & Deviation mean. Then you can compute the expected bearing from the Amplitude calculation from Bowditch Table 22 and the Nautical Almanac. Usually after I post this the thread ends, it works exceptionally well.

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Why do you think this is 'not relative to the discussion'. It IS THE FREAKIN' DISCUSSION. GO OUT AND MEASURE THE SUN YOU MORON. It's right where it's supposed to be.

People have been Measuring the Sun this way for Hundreds of years. Just because it makes you look like a Freakin Idiot doesn't mean it's not relevant. You can also measure it near Rise/Set also, but it's it little more complicated. Ever heard of an amplitude? you do that at rise & set.

Didn't you bring up Celestial Navigation a little while ago? Why are you now saying it's irrelevant? I shot my first Sunline over 40 years ago, I know a little about Celestial Navigation.

Study the Procedure Here [link to en.wikisource.org]
Use an Artificial Horizon like These Guys [link to www.mbmg.mtech.edu]
You can get a Cheap Sextant Here [link to www.celestaire.com]
To see how close Your Sight is, compare it to these tables [link to navsoft.com]

AMPLITUDES
Example: The DR latitude of a ship is 51° 24.6' N. The navigator observes the setting Sun on the celestial horizon. Its decli- Tabulated Azimuth 359.2°T Compass Bearing 358.6°C Error 0.6°E Figure 1703. The amplitude angle (A) subtends the arc of the horizon between the body and the point where the prime vertical and the equator intersect the horizon. Note that it is the compliment of the azimuth angle (Z).

Observer’s Lat. Rising/Setting Observed bearing North Rising Add to North Setting Subtract from South Rising Subtract from South Setting Add to 274 AZIMUTHS AND AMPLITUDES nation is N 19° 40.4'. Its observed bearing is 303° pgc. Required: Gyro error. Solution: Interpolate in Table 22 for the Sun’s calculated amplitude as follows. See Figure 1704. The actual values for latitude and declination are L = 51.4° N and dec. = N 19.67°. Find the tabulated values of latitude and declination closest to these actual values. In this case, these tabulated values are L = 51° and dec. = 19.5°. Record the amplitude corresponding to these base values, 32.0°, as the base amplitude.

Next, holding the base declination value constant at 19.5°, increase the value of latitude to the next tabulated value: N 52°. Note that this value of latitude was increased because the actual latitude value was greater than the base value of latitude. Record the tabulated amplitude for L = 52° and dec. = 19.5°: 32.8°. Then, holding the base latitude value constant at 51°, increase the declination value to the next tabulated value: 20°. Record the tabulated amplitude for L = 51° and dec. = 20°: 32.9°.

The latitude’s actual value (51.4°) is 0.4 of the way between the base value (51°) and the value used to determine the tabulated amplitude (52°). The declination’s actual value (19.67°) is 0.3 of the way between the base value (19.5°) and the value used to determine the tabulated amplitude (20.0°). To determine the total correction to base amplitude, multiply these increments (0.4 and 0.3) by the respective difference between the base and tabulated values (+0.8 and +0.9, respectively) and sum the products. The total correction is +0.6°. Add the total correction (+0.6°) to the base amplitude (32.0°) to determine the final amplitude (32.6°) which will be converted to a true bearing. Because of its northerly declination (in this case), the Sun was 32.6° north of west when it was on the celestial horizon. Therefore its true bearing was 302.6° (270° + 32.6°) at this moment. Comparing this with the gyro bearing of 303° gives an error of 0.4°W, which can be rounded to 1/2°W..."
[link to en.wikisource.org]

Table 22 For Amplitudes [link to msi.nga.mil]


 Quoting: TBar1984

Here, watch;



The Ecliptic
"The axis of the Earth is undergoing a precessional motion similar to that of a top spinning with its axis tilted. In about 25,800 years the axis completes a cycle and returns to the position from which it started. Since the celestial equator is 90° from the celestial poles, it too is moving. The result is a slow westward movement of the equinoxes and solstices, which has already carried them about 30°, or one constellation, along the ecliptic from the positions they occupied when named more than 2,000 years ago. Since sidereal hour angle is measured from the vernal equinox, and declination from the celestial equator, the coordinates of celestial bodies would be changing even if the bodies themselves were stationary. This westward motion of the equinoxes along the ecliptic is called precession of the equinoxes. The total amount, called general precession, is about 50 seconds of arc per year. It may be considered divided into two components: precession in right ascension (about 46.10 seconds per year) measured along the celestial equator, and precession in declination (about 20.04" per year) measured perpendicular to the celestial equator. The annual change in the coordinates of any given star, due to precession alone, depends upon its position on the celestial sphere, since these coordinates are measured relative to the polar axis while the precessional motion is relative to the ecliptic axis.

Due to precession of the equinoxes, the celestial poles are slowly describing circles in the sky. The north celestial pole is moving closer to Polaris, which it will pass at a distance of approximately 28 minutes about the year 2102. Following this, the polar distance will increase, and eventually other stars, in their turn, will become the Pole Star.

The precession of the Earth’s axis is the result of gravitational forces exerted principally by the Sun and Moon on the Earth’s equatorial bulge. The spinning Earth responds to these forces in the manner of a gyroscope. Regression of the nodes introduces certain irregularities known as nutation in the precessional motion. See Figure 1519c."
[link to en.wikisource.org]

Tropic of Capricorn
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
"The Tropic of Capricorn is so named because when the Sun reaches the zenith at this latitude, it is entering the tropical sign of Capricorn (winter solstice). When it was named, about 2,000 years ago, the sun was also in the direction of the constellation Capricornus (capricorn is Latin for goat horn) at the December solstice. In modern times the sun appears in the constellation Sagittarius during this time. The change is due to precession of the equinoxes. The word "tropic" itself comes from the Greek tropos, meaning turn, referring to the fact that the sun appears to "turn back" at the solstices..."

SEE THE ABOVE VIDEO.
 Quoting: TBar1984

Apparent Motion due to Revolution of the Earth
"...Apparent motions of planets and the Moon are due to a combination of their motions and those of the Earth. If the rotation of the Earth were stopped, the combined apparent motion due to the revolutions of the Earth and other bodies would be similar to that occurring if both rotation and revolution of the Earth were stopped. Stars would appear nearly stationary in the sky but would undergo a small annual cycle of change due to aberration. The motion of the Earth in its orbit is sufficiently fast to cause the light from stars to appear to shift slightly in the direction of the Earth’s motion. This is similar to the effect one experiences when walking in vertically-falling rain that appears to come from ahead due to the observer’s own forward motion. The apparent direction of the light ray from the star is the vector difference of the motion of light and the motion of the Earth, similar to that of apparent wind on a moving vessel. This effect is most apparent for a body perpendicular to the line of travel of the Earth in its orbit, for which it reaches a maximum value of 20.5". The effect of aberration can be noted by comparing the coordinates (declination and sidereal hour angle) of various stars throughout the year. A change is observed in some bodies as the year progresses, but at the end of the year the values have returned almost to what they were at the beginning. The reason they do not return exactly is due to proper motion and precession of the equinoxes. It is also due to nutation, an irregularity in the motion of the Earth due to the disturbing effect of other celestial bodies, principally the Moon. Polar motion is a slight wobbling of the Earth about its axis of rotation and sometimes wandering of the poles. This motion, which does not exceed 40 feet from the mean position, produces slight variation of latitude and longitude of places on the Earth..."
[link to en.wikisource.org]

Nutation
"The nutation of a planet happens because of tidal forces that cause the precession of the equinoxes to vary over time so that the speed of precession is not constant. The nutation of the axis of the Earth was discovered in 1728 by the British astronomer James Bradley, but this nutation was not explained in detail until 20 years later.[1] Because the dynamic motions of the planets are so well-known, their nutations can be calculated to within arcseconds over periods of many decades. There is another disturbance of the Earth's rotation called polar motion that can be estimated for only a few months into the future because it is influenced by rapidly and unpredictably varying things such as ocean currents, wind systems, and motions in the liquid nickel-iron core of the Earth. Values of nutations are usually divided into components parallel and perpendicular to the ecliptic. The component that works along the ecliptic is known as the nutation in longitude. The component perpendicular to the ecliptic is known as the nutation in obliquity. Celestial coordinate systems are based on an "equator" and "equinox," which means a great circle in the sky that is the projection of the Earth's equator outwards, and a line, the Vernal equinox intersecting that circle, which determines the starting point for measurement of right ascension. These items are affected both by precession of the equinoxes and nutation, and thus depend on the theories applied to precession and nutation, and on the date used as a reference date for the coordinate system. In simpler terms, nutation (and precession) values are important in observation from Earth for calculating the apparent positions of astronomical objects...."

"Nutation makes a small change to the angle at which the Earth tilts with respect to the Sun, thereby moving the location of the Tropic of Cancer, the most northerly latitude which the Sun can reach directly overhead. All four major circles of latitude that are defined by the Earth's tilt (both Tropical Circles and both Polar Circles) will shift correspondingly."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

YES, IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO THIS.
Just because you don't know how things are 'supposed to be' doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the way things are...
 Quoting: TBar1984


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Just curious... are you claiming that people are seeing the sun being 1/2 degree out of place in the sky?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


So, no answer 21389207?
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


I'm not claiming anything. I just believe what I see with my own eyes. And: yes, the sun is out of place. And it's more than just 0.5 degrees.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21389207

 Quoting: TBar1984

I'll post the procedure I post every time the 'tards bring up this subject. You don't need a compass to check the bearing of Sunset/Rise. All you have to do is use the Ruler Tool in Google Earth to measure the bearing of some conspicuous place near you, that you stand, to the landmark the sun is behind. It's good for those that have really bad compasses and don't know what Variation & Deviation mean. Then you can compute the expected bearing from the Amplitude calculation from Bowditch Table 22 and the Nautical Almanac. Usually after I post this the thread ends, it works exceptionally well.

You don't need a shitty little compass. Now, if you had a compass like I used to work with and adjust, it might be a worthy reading.
Read the part about Magnetic Compass Deviation Tables, My name was on a few of those Deviation Cards a while back [link to www1.nga.mil]

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Nice shill edit..
German coward..? Really..? You've stooped to that tactic..?

:turd:


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No, I'm banned.

And this is for our shill crew:

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I'll post the procedure I post every time the 'tards bring up this subject.
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We already know you are an asshole.

You don't have to keep proving it..

asshole
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I'll post the procedure I post every time the 'tards bring up this subject.
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We already know you are an asshole.

You don't have to keep proving it..

asshole
 Quoting: Waterbug
You Are a Moron, I've given you all the methods you need to show you how to preform a Check, yet you ignore them.

I'm going to keep posting this every new page.
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And STILL you continue to post while avoiding spelling out the amount you claim the sun is out of place. Telling, that...
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You're a funny guy:
Running to your shill master to get me banned and directly after that claiming I wouldn't answer.

Phhhhhh......

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I'll post the procedure I post every time the 'tards bring up this subject.
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We already know you are an asshole.

You don't have to keep proving it..

asshole
 Quoting: Waterbug
You Are a Moron, I've given you all the methods you need to show you how to preform a Check, yet you ignore them.

I'm going to keep posting this every new page.
 Quoting: TBar1984


Do it... keep showing your ass..

:ass:
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I'll post the procedure I post every time the 'tards bring up this subject.
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We already know you are an asshole.

You don't have to keep proving it..

:asshole:
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Since being pinned down on quantifying your claim, you have resorted to little more than insults. Telling, that...
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And STILL you continue to post while avoiding spelling out the amount you claim the sun is out of place. Telling, that...
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You're a funny guy:
Running to your shill master to get me banned and directly after that claiming I wouldn't answer.

Phhhhhh......

1rof1
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I have no power to have anyone banned here. Your paranoia is showing.
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I'll post the procedure I post every time the 'tards bring up this subject.
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We already know you are an asshole.

You don't have to keep proving it..

asshole
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Since being pinned down on quantifying your claim, you have resorted to little more than insults. Telling, that...
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Tit for tat.

When was I ever pinned down..?
I answered you truthfully.
My opinion stands.
Do I need to post it again..?
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And STILL you continue to post while avoiding spelling out the amount you claim the sun is out of place. Telling, that...
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You're a funny guy:
Running to your shill master to get me banned and directly after that claiming I wouldn't answer.

Phhhhhh......

1rof1
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I'm next... probably.
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I'll post the procedure I post every time the 'tards bring up this subject.
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We already know you are an asshole.

You don't have to keep proving it..

:asshole:
 Quoting: Waterbug


Since being pinned down on quantifying your claim, you have resorted to little more than insults. Telling, that...
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Tit for tat.

When was I ever pinned down..?
I answered you truthfully.
My opinion stands.
Do I need to post it again..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


Yes. I asked you to remind me how much you claim the sun is out of place. You have not. In degrees, please.
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Nobody told me there'd be days like these....Strange days indeed!
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Well, chick?

3)How do you expect anyone to know anything about the physical orientation of this woman's house or the landmarks around it in order to answer those questions? How?!

4)I have given the URL to a site which will show where the sun should rise for her area. Why doesn't she USE it? Why don't YOU?
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I'm next... probably.
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Yep. There are some topics that some people don't wan't us to talk about.

Sad but true.
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I'm next... probably.
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Yep. There are some topics that some people don't wan't us to talk about.

Sad but true.
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Talk away. Show some evidence.
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I'm next... probably.
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Yep. There are some topics that some people don't wan't us to talk about.

Sad but true.
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Talk away. Show some evidence.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


You have a very short attention span, right?
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wow
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chuckle
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I'm next... probably.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Yep. There are some topics that some people don't wan't us to talk about.

Sad but true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7969931


Talk away. Show some evidence.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


You have a very short attention span, right?
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Absolutely nothing concrete, beyond anecdotal stories, has been shown in support of a large anomaly in the location of the sun.
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Yep. There are some topics that some people don't wan't us to talk about.

Sad but true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7969931


Talk away. Show some evidence.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


You have a very short attention span, right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7969931


Absolutely nothing concrete, beyond anecdotal stories, has been shown in support of a large anomaly in the location of the sun.
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C'mon menow. I gave you the numbers and was banned right away. That should be telling enough.
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Talk away. Show some evidence.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


You have a very short attention span, right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7969931


Absolutely nothing concrete, beyond anecdotal stories, has been shown in support of a large anomaly in the location of the sun.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


C'mon menow. I gave you the numbers and was banned right away. That should be telling enough.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7969931


You mean the 8-10 degrees? So who do you imagine banned you, the OP? GLP mods? Who?

You seem to be here and posting, so why don't you show something concrete in support of your contention?
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We already know you are an asshole.

You don't have to keep proving it..

:asshole:
 Quoting: Waterbug


Since being pinned down on quantifying your claim, you have resorted to little more than insults. Telling, that...
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Tit for tat.

When was I ever pinned down..?
I answered you truthfully.
My opinion stands.
Do I need to post it again..?
 Quoting: Waterbug


Yes. I asked you to remind me how much you claim the sun is out of place. You have not. In degrees, please.
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Note: No response. Waterbug is simply trolling.
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MISNOMER! Would explain why the sun appears to be out of place and the Moon from an Earthly Point Of View. But there in Lies the Problem. Note the LIE. Misnomer is what they don't want You to Know About or These Guys to Talk About. From your Prospective, Yes the Sun and Moon have Moved.
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MISNOMER! Would explain why the sun appears to be out of place and the Moon from an Earthly Point Of View. But there in Lies the Problem. Note the LIE. Misnomer is what they don't want You to Know About or These Guys to Talk About. From your Prospective, Yes the Sun and Moon have Moved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21371193


Maybe somebody else knows what you are talking about, but I sure don't. Either spell it out or GTFO.
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Nice shill edit..
German coward..? Really..? You've stooped to that tactic..?
 Quoting: Waterbug

What tactic?
S/He's an Anonymous Coward with the BRD flag as the only dishtinguisable feature, hence German Coward.
(Now Czech Coward apparently.)
ACs look all the same to me.

I've stated my opinion.
 Quoting: Waterbug

And it is still wrong.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Says you.. the quote editing shill..
 Quoting: Waterbug

Yep.
And until you provide EVIDENCE I will keep saying it.

You are wrong.

Simplified explanation..
[snipage]
 Quoting: Waterbug

And once again you babble about a shift that can only be detected with highly advance equipment, NOT the human eye.

So WHAT are you? Just stupid, or a liar?

You are wrong.

We already know you are an asshole.
 Quoting: Waterbug

IOW, you do NOT have a rational rebuttal.

You are wrong.
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Hey Retard,
last summer I measured 8 to 10 degrees, varying from day to day. That's proof enough for myself.

What about your proof that the sun ist NOT out of place?
How do you explain the melting in greenland?
How do you explain the animal die offs?
How do you explain the DUMBs and ghost cities?
How do you explain the heating of the other planets?
etc, pp, the WTF-List goes on and on...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21389207

Sounds like a Poleshit-Nancy-Shill ...


Menow, hurry up!!! Here's the next threat yyou can jump on. This time it's the moon that's out of place:
Thread: Question about Moon's orbit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21389207

... charged with watching the "Debunkers Talk"


C'mon menow. I gave you the numbers and was banned right away. That should be telling enough.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7969931

Don't be paranoid.
It's an auto-ban because you used one of the "forbidden words". Happened to me as an AC 5 or 6 times too.

Invest some Euros for a membership - I'm sure as a valuable Poleshit member Nancy will pay it.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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