Have You Noticed The Sun Has "Moved"? Post Your Evidence / Stories Here!

Apparent Motion due to Revolution of the Earth
"...Apparent motions of planets and the Moon are due to a combination of their motions and those of the Earth. If the rotation of the Earth were stopped, the combined apparent motion due to the revolutions of the Earth and other bodies would be similar to that occurring if both rotation and revolution of the Earth were stopped. Stars would appear nearly stationary in the sky but would undergo a small annual cycle of change due to aberration. The motion of the Earth in its orbit is sufficiently fast to cause the light from stars to appear to shift slightly in the direction of the Earth’s motion. This is similar to the effect one experiences when walking in vertically-falling rain that appears to come from ahead due to the observer’s own forward motion. The apparent direction of the light ray from the star is the vector difference of the motion of light and the motion of the Earth, similar to that of apparent wind on a moving vessel. This effect is most apparent for a body perpendicular to the line of travel of the Earth in its orbit, for which it reaches a maximum value of 20.5". The effect of aberration can be noted by comparing the coordinates (declination and sidereal hour angle) of various stars throughout the year. A change is observed in some bodies as the year progresses, but at the end of the year the values have returned almost to what they were at the beginning. The reason they do not return exactly is due to proper motion and precession of the equinoxes. It is also due to nutation, an irregularity in the motion of the Earth due to the disturbing effect of other celestial bodies, principally the Moon. Polar motion is a slight wobbling of the Earth about its axis of rotation and sometimes wandering of the poles. This motion, which does not exceed 40 feet from the mean position, produces slight variation of latitude and longitude of places on the Earth..."
[link to en.wikisource.org]

Nutation
"The nutation of a planet happens because of tidal forces that cause the precession of the equinoxes to vary over time so that the speed of precession is not constant. The nutation of the axis of the Earth was discovered in 1728 by the British astronomer James Bradley, but this nutation was not explained in detail until 20 years later.[1] Because the dynamic motions of the planets are so well-known, their nutations can be calculated to within arcseconds over periods of many decades. There is another disturbance of the Earth's rotation called polar motion that can be estimated for only a few months into the future because it is influenced by rapidly and unpredictably varying things such as ocean currents, wind systems, and motions in the liquid nickel-iron core of the Earth. Values of nutations are usually divided into components parallel and perpendicular to the ecliptic. The component that works along the ecliptic is known as the nutation in longitude. The component perpendicular to the ecliptic is known as the nutation in obliquity. Celestial coordinate systems are based on an "equator" and "equinox," which means a great circle in the sky that is the projection of the Earth's equator outwards, and a line, the Vernal equinox intersecting that circle, which determines the starting point for measurement of right ascension. These items are affected both by precession of the equinoxes and nutation, and thus depend on the theories applied to precession and nutation, and on the date used as a reference date for the coordinate system. In simpler terms, nutation (and precession) values are important in observation from Earth for calculating the apparent positions of astronomical objects...."

"Nutation makes a small change to the angle at which the Earth tilts with respect to the Sun, thereby moving the location of the Tropic of Cancer, the most northerly latitude which the Sun can reach directly overhead. All four major circles of latitude that are defined by the Earth's tilt (both Tropical Circles and both Polar Circles) will shift correspondingly."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

YES, IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO THIS.
Just because you don't know how things are 'supposed to be' doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the way things are...

I'm not claiming anything. I just believe what I see with my own eyes. And: yes, the sun is out of place. And it's more than just 0.5 degrees.

Successful??? Not from my point of view...
I would say he's very good in backing up his claims. And he's right.

Simplified explanation..

The earth spins on its axis at 23.5 degrees off of vertical.
This is not constant and changes with the distribution of mass.

The amount of wobble is determined by monitoring distant objects such as quasars. The position of all the planets, earth included, is determined by celestial reference.. center of the solar system.. and calculated using 212 astronomical bodies.

To know our precise location we use Very Long Baseline Interferometry[VLBI] which can't be operated continually due to the complexity and expense.. radio-telescopic observations from all over the globe, basically. We need this information for GPS operation. It is precise but could be more precise with new ring laser gyroscopic technology which will operate from the poles. Not perfected but they are working on it.

We know that the north pole is migrating along 79 degrees West at a rate of about 10 centimeters annually and this value is increasing and accelerating. This is the rebound effect from the loss of ice mass that once covered large portions of the earth.

The Greenland melt is estimated to be increasing axial tilt by about 3 centimeters a year and is expected to increase. Ocean warming and expansion is pushing water onto shallow ocean shelves, changing the distribution of mass. This is causing the the northern pole of Earth's spin axis to shift by roughly 1.5 centimeters per year in the direction of Alaska and Hawaii.
Other factors include crust and mantle movement and effects from El Nino which also shift mass.

Warming temperature also affects rate of spin.. as do perihelion and aphelion.
There are other factors which have effects but I'm not going any further than I have at this time.

This information is not hidden. It is all available on the web..

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PS: I don't give a shit about Katcam and Manhattanhenge (WTF is a Manhattanhenge??? Can I eat it???).

And for the astronomers: They would loose their job or suddenly die if they would speak about it. Just like Gene Shoemaker, Harrington, etc. pp.

You're lying. You are claiming that the sun is out of place enough for people to see and that Wiki supports that notion. It does not. Repeat: How much do you claim the sun is out of place? Please be SPECIFIC. If you can't, then you are just blowing smoke.

Simplified explanation..


This information is not hidden. It is all available on the web..

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You really are that dumb. Your answer was in the link YOU posted. No One else figured it out either, gee, what does that infer? It was answered back here Thread: Have You Noticed The Sun Has "Moved"? Post Your Evidence / Stories Here! (Page 25)

Nutation [link to en.wikipedia.org] They even have pretty pictures for You.

I'll post the procedure I post every time the 'tards bring up this subject. You don't need a compass to check the bearing of Sunset/Rise. All you have to do is use the Ruler Tool in Google Earth to measure the bearing of some conspicuous place near you, that you stand, to the landmark the sun is behind. It's good for those that have really bad compasses and don't know what Variation & Deviation mean. Then you can compute the expected bearing from the Amplitude calculation from Bowditch Table 22 and the Nautical Almanac. Usually after I post this the thread ends, it works exceptionally well.

Really? Then what is his specific claim? Is it that there are many known, TINY fluctuations in Earth's axis? No one is disputing that those exist. THAT is what he has shown evidence for- not that the sun is out of place enough to be seen by eye. It's sad that you don't understand the difference. You are precisely the type of person his efforts are intended to affect and upon whom it works so well.

Didn't you say: SIDETRACKING? That's what you're doing here.

I mentioned the Capricorn variation, an gave the link to Wikipedia. And I said this shouldn't happen if the sun was were it should be, right?

That's all. I'm just responsible for what I say, not for the Bullshit you're interpreting into it.

To make a long story short: You're an idiot, Sir.

I see. You ignore all evidence which might prove you wrong. Typical- it speaks volumes.



You actually believe that all astronomers have been "silenced" through threats of losing their jobs? ALL of them?? You don't understand that there are tens of thousands of amateur astronomers all around the world? Seriously??

Again... this is an explanation for WHAT? Stop posting things which in no way support the notion that the sun is RADICALLY and VISIBLY out of place in the sky. It is nothing but disingenuous and obvious shilling for the SUN OUT OF PLACE cult.

He's old and educated enough. He can speak for hisself.

Fuck you. You're not my dad. I'll post when and where I want to. You're just pissed because I showed you to be a fucking dimbulb..

My opinion stands..

Apparently he can't, or won't. I have asked him repeatedly if he thinks the sun is RADICALLY (or whatever other term you prefer) out of place in the sky and if he can present any supporting evidence for that notion. No pertinent response.

Yep. Seriously. If That wouldn't be the case you wouldn't get paid for posting your BS. It's that simple.

He NEVER, EVER said RADICALLY, WILDLY or anything like this. You're putting words in peoples mouth. But that's part of your shill-education, right?

Not at all. What is claim here? It is that the sun is WILDLY out of place in the sky. Have anything to support that? No? Then why are you posting irrelevant information and pretending it relates?



Wrong. It's normal.



Heh. See above, where you said: "right"? You were wrong. Get it? No, I don't suppose you do.

So you are admitting that you DON'T understand there are tens of thousands of amateur astronomers all around the world? Well,there are. How do you imagine all of THEM are being controlled? Go ahead and explain that. This ought to be good!

OK, just for fun:
1. I never said WILDLY.

If it would be wildly out of place more people would notice it.

2. I'm not lying, YOU ARE

3. Capricorn variation is normal? Oh yeah: so it's normal that the sun and the zodiac are out of place..., now we get nearer to the truth.

Greetings to all.

I am a skeptic by nature. Large. When I saw YouTube vids about 4 years ago claiming the sun is setting farther north than same time the year previous, I dismissed it. I saw nothing of the sort. I like to see things like this with my own eyes if I am going to believe it.

I love sunsets. I have a million pictures of sunsets from every place I have been. The way the sky paints itself in unreplicable colours and shades has amazed me since I was a little girl. I particularly love the sunsets through my living room windows, which face due west.

Two years ago I remarked to my husband that the sun appeared to be setting slightly more north than it had they years prior. I noticed this from the positions I would have to take in order to capture a great backyard sunset shot. Some trees presented as visual obstacles when they weren't before. I thought about those videos with a little more interest, and read a little bit about some claims of the sun's movement, but once again put the thought at the back of my mind.

Well this year did it for me. I have a small shade garden on the north end of my house. There are hedges and a shed and of course the house, all of which have provided adequate shade for sun shy hostas, pulmonaria, lamium and impatients. At night it is very dark and I have never been able to successfully use solar path lights because the area never got enough sun to provide a good charge. THIS YEAR is different!!! There is a clear patch of almost all-day sun in an area that was always shaded. My shade-dwelling perennials are burning and shriveling. I could very easily tap a solar path light in there that could charge basically all day long providing good night light. WTF IS GOING ON???

Yes friends, this to me is 100% proof that the sun is farther north in the sky than it has been in previous years. Why won't the mainstream acknowledge this? I have recenlyt seen video of aboriginal peoples in different parts of the world who attest to the sun's movement. Can we get some scientific acknowledgement, please??

Please post your personal evidence / stories here, would love to learn more about what others are experiencing.

Thanks and

Hilarious! Your opinion is WHAT, again? You won't even spell it out! You will only dance around the edges of this subject and not really commit to a position on the central claim, which is: The sun is RADICALLY, VISIBLY, DRAMATICALLY out of place in the sky. What a pretender! What a maroon!

Go back to shool and learn: READING.

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And for the astronomers: They would loose their job or suddenly die if they would speak about it. Just like Gene Shoemaker, Harrington, etc. pp.
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OK, just for fun:
1. I never said WILDLY. If it would be wildly out of place more people would notice it.
2. I'm not lying, YOU ARE
3. Capricorn variation is normal? Oh yeah: so it's normal that the sun and the zodiac are out of place..., now we get nearer to the truth.

So you agree that people write BS on GLP?

My opinion stands..

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And for the astronomers: They would loose their job or suddenly die if they would speak about it. Just like Gene Shoemaker, Harrington, etc. pp.
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Still no answer, TBar?

WTF are you babbling about? Are you 'talking' to me?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This is from her original post..

Two years ago I remarked to my husband that the sun appeared to be setting slightly more north than it had they years prior. I noticed this from the positions I would have to take in order to capture a great backyard sunset shot.



Who is disingenuous..?
You are apparently retarded.

I rest my case.

Hoisted with your own petard..

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