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Pentagram Meaning - Is it a Symbol for Good or Evil?

 
HEYLEL (OP)

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Heylel, The Pentagram in itself holds the golden ratio equation

But concerning the DOWNTURNED PENTAGRAM which is a point of the pentagram turned 33 degrees

Its the Order of the Eastern Star. Womans Masonry uses the downturned penty.

Its the star of Jesus who descended down to earth. We learn in the west of course that he descends down at Christmas to be the baby in the manger...Christmas also happens to be Capricorn so there you have the scapegoat and all the silliness of Baphomet..

The Hanged man card also is the descent of baby cause a baby turns its head downward into the womb to be birthed into the birth canal to prevent breach

We are all hanged men upside down, Were all Upside down pentagrams on the day of our birth...



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From Womans Lake Harriet Lodge in Minnesota

The significance of the pentagram for the Order of the Eastern Star is at least two-fold. First, it symbolizes the Star of Bethlehem that the three magi followed to Bethlehem to discover the Savior. Second, its five points stand for the five Biblical and Christian heroines whose stories serve as moral lessons for the sisterhood. The reason that the fifth point is pointing down is to indicate that the light of the star is descending to Earth from Heaven. Just as in DaVinci's Vetruvian Man, the fifth point up points to Heaven and symbolizes that the head of a Man is that part of his body directed upward to the Divine world.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


I AM sorry Bro, but NO, the inverted, down turned Pentagram has NOTHING to do with Jesus Christ or Pythagoras.

Yes, we are all hanged men upside down and we are all Upside down pentagrams on the day of our birth because TPTB have SET up the illusion to make us the reverse of our true natures in order for our governments and corporations to suck the life energy and blood from our souls because they assume we are all their slaves to use and abuse. As if blood, souls, reincarnation and ancestral rites do not mean anything which is the Lord of Lies.

From The mysteries of magic: a digest of the writings of Eliphas Lévi;

The Pentagram, with two horns in the ascendant, represents Satan, or the goat of the Sabbath, and with the single horn in the ascendant it is the sign of the Saviour. It is the figure of the human body with the four members and a point representing the head; a human figure head downward naturally represents the demon, that is, intellectual subversion, disorder, and folly.

Stop the BSWait, You should know this basic stuff or are simply not allowed to teach it? Unless what you say overrides Pythagoras or Eliphas Lévi?

cruiseLOL, I just spit up my coffee, sorry my silenced bragh ;)
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Heres a display of many beautiful upside down pentagrams of the Eastern Star Lodge..

oops, just google

ORDER OF EASTERN STAR. they have each point representing a woman in the Bible, like Esther..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Well, women are one of man's best weapons and secret agents to use in eastern order to conquer the world via the Vagina bro.

Leopard Madonna

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??

Using the Sigil for evil personification in the minds of the public has never existed until Laveyan Satanism in the 1960s

Founding of the Church of Satan in 1966:

Of course, its the publications by Eliaphas Levi., the Samael Lilith star

Eliphas Lévi’s Dogme et Rituel de la haute magie (1855-56)

Chapter 5—The Blazing Pentagram

The Pentagram, which in Gnostic schools is called the Blazing Star, is the sign of intellectual omnipotence and autocracy. It is the Star of the Magi; it is the sign of the Word made flesh; and, according to the direction of its points, this absolute magical symbol represents order or confusion, the Divine Lamb of Ormuz and St. John, or the accursed goat of Mendes.

It is initiation or profanation; it is Lucifer or Vesper, the star of morning or evening. It is Mary or Lilith, victory or death, day or night. The Pentagram with two points in the ascendant represents Satan as the goat of the Sabbath; when one point is in the ascendant, it is the sign of the Saviour. By placing it in such a manner that two of its points are in the ascendant and one is below, we may see the horns, ears and beard of the hierarchic Goat of Mendes, when it becomes the sign of infernal evocations.
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Heres a display of many beautiful upside down pentagrams of the Eastern Star Lodge..

oops, just google

ORDER OF EASTERN STAR. they have each point representing a woman in the Bible, like Esther..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Well, women are one of man's best weapons and secret agents to use in eastern order to conquer the world via the Vagina bro.

:Leopard Madonna:
 Quoting: HEYLEL


Its our lot in life, Would you have preferred never to have been born?

now we get into the "women are to be avoided" and then you can figure out why the Church started the Priesthood. To not bring kids into the world..
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Why are you so hopped up and in your face? Chill out Bro. Symbols are just tools. Brings out the beast or the God in man

For example, take shit.
you can take shit and leave it as a turd on the carpet or mail it to someone

Or you can take the poop of animals and recycle as fertilizer to grow food.

Mankind sucks when they have to crap on something and smear it campaign

God make everything in the world and he meant us to be stewards

I look at the down turned penty and see Jesus falling to incarnation to save us from our sins...


Its all ones perspective...
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Using the Sigil for evil personification in the minds of the public has never existed until Laveyan Satanism in the 1960s

Founding of the Church of Satan in 1966:

Of course, its the publications by Eliaphas Levi., the Samael Lilith star

Eliphas Lévi’s Dogme et Rituel de la haute magie (1855-56)

Chapter 5—The Blazing Pentagram

The Pentagram, which in Gnostic schools is called the Blazing Star, is the sign of intellectual omnipotence and autocracy. It is the Star of the Magi; it is the sign of the Word made flesh; and, according to the direction of its points, this absolute magical symbol represents order or confusion, the Divine Lamb of Ormuz and St. John, or the accursed goat of Mendes.

It is initiation or profanation; it is Lucifer or Vesper, the star of morning or evening. It is Mary or Lilith, victory or death, day or night. The Pentagram with two points in the ascendant represents Satan as the goat of the Sabbath; when one point is in the ascendant, it is the sign of the Saviour. By placing it in such a manner that two of its points are in the ascendant and one is below, we may see the horns, ears and beard of the hierarchic Goat of Mendes, when it becomes the sign of infernal evocations.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


That was when they decided to pervert it for a new front Fraternity in order to easily take over humans who operate from the flesh which would be the Church of Satan or Set.

Any true Adept, Gnostic or initiate of the right hand path knows that the dark brotherhood uses the ignorance and selfishness of their initiates for gain of the order, the plan and to easily take over someones souls and mind.

All you have to do is look at this inverted pentagram and cross below to clearly see what this is meant to do to one's soul, spirit and life. It drains their true life essence and soul for the orders or priest gain.

Inverted Cross

Most followers of the Left Hand Path are weak or controlled souls from the lowest human forms who work from darkness of their fleshly animal natures as opposed to those brothers who walk the Right Hand Path in the divine light who are the TRUE SONS OF GOD.
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Heres a display of many beautiful upside down pentagrams of the Eastern Star Lodge..

oops, just google

ORDER OF EASTERN STAR. they have each point representing a woman in the Bible, like Esther..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Well, women are one of man's best weapons and secret agents to use in eastern order to conquer the world via the Vagina bro.

Leopard Madonna
 Quoting: HEYLEL


Its our lot in life, Would you have preferred never to have been born?

now we get into the "women are to be avoided" and then you can figure out why the Church started the Priesthood. To not bring kids into the world..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Who said? You, Crowley? Women corrupt man and that is why they were not allowed. Where did you get this intel they didn't want to have kids in the world which is false.
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Heylel, Im neither. All Initiaites strive to walk the Middle Path.

The middle path is the narrow one...

Both sides of the right and the left will be pitted against eachother and the outcome wont be good.

Middle path is where the sanctuary is..
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Why are you so hopped up and in your face? Chill out Bro. Symbols are just tools. Brings out the beast or the God in man

For example, take shit.
you can take shit and leave it as a turd on the carpet or mail it to someone

Or you can take the poop of animals and recycle as fertilizer to grow food.

Mankind sucks when they have to crap on something and smear it campaign

God make everything in the world and he meant us to be stewards

I look at the down turned penty and see Jesus falling to incarnation to save us from our sins...


Its all ones perspective...

 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST



hf
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Why are you so hopped up and in your face? Chill out Bro. Symbols are just tools. Brings out the beast or the God in man

For example, take shit.
you can take shit and leave it as a turd on the carpet or mail it to someone

Or you can take the poop of animals and recycle as fertilizer to grow food.

Mankind sucks when they have to crap on something and smear it campaign

God make everything in the world and he meant us to be stewards

I look at the down turned penty and see Jesus falling to incarnation to save us from our sins...


Its all ones perspective...
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Its all ones perspective in the illusion we live in where lies are truth and truth lies. Hell, you are even going to take my ancestors symbol of the Pentagram used for thousands of years and then take a shit on it like it is your rite to do which you couldn't be farther from the truth BRO.

Who made you the steward of our ancestors symbols?

I don't like liars who lie to bros or think they know when it is painfully obvious they simply do not or are lying. I call a spade a spade and reflect the truth. Please do not tell me to chill out when I AM doing just that.
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There is no good or evil, just differences in infinite consciousness. Though the golden rule definitely needs to be considered as well.

So, the actions aren't necessarily evil. But if they interfere with the golden rule (Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm anyone/thing else [unless they consent]) then we have a problem (though at our current lower state of consciousness maybe even that has more to it).

We, having the connection to infinite consciousness, have both evil and good in us. The reptile and the hawk. We are the feathered dragon. We encompass all and whatever is good for one may not be good for others. But awareness and adherence to the golden rule is something that should be considered but most likely it is handled by karma for that/those spirits anyway (doesn't mean we shouldn't try to better it)

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Heylel, remember Odin hung upside down on the world tree of Yggdrasil to obtain wisdom. Was that evil??

He who can understand that the story of his higher nature is imbedded in this symbolism will receive intimations concerning a great awakening that is possible, and will know that after the sacred Mystery of Death there is a glorious Mystery of Resurrection. (qoute)
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Heylel, Im neither. All Initiaites strive to walk the Middle Path.

The middle path is the narrow one...

Both sides of the right and the left will be pitted against eachother and the outcome wont be good.

Middle path is where the sanctuary is..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Yes, the sanctuary in hell....I get it 100%!!!!!
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Heylel, remember Odin hung upside down on the world tree of Yggdrasil to obtain wisdom. Was that evil??

He who can understand that the story of his higher nature is imbedded in this symbolism will receive intimations concerning a great awakening that is possible, and will know that after the sacred Mystery of Death there is a glorious Mystery of Resurrection. (qoute)
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Yes and so did Saint Peter but I cannot find anyone in the world that knows why? Do you TRULY know why via Gnosis or is this just something you read in a book by an alleged Adept who thinks they know. Do you know how many books I have of these on my shelves by all your alleged masters etc? It is painfully obvious that MOST of them were simply NOT chosen to speak on such matters. They just learned and were chosen on low and given x degrees. Hence, they were not chosen by the brotherhood on high.

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^False, you can never truly understand the perspective of someone else's consciousness/belief system. Well, with infinity there's probably the chance that you do 100% understand but your lower consciousness/ego doesn't actually know this. (EDIT: This was to your '100%' understanding statement)

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Why are you so hopped up and in your face? Chill out Bro. Symbols are just tools. Brings out the beast or the God in man

For example, take shit.
you can take shit and leave it as a turd on the carpet or mail it to someone

Or you can take the poop of animals and recycle as fertilizer to grow food.

Mankind sucks when they have to crap on something and smear it campaign

God make everything in the world and he meant us to be stewards

I look at the down turned penty and see Jesus falling to incarnation to save us from our sins...


Its all ones perspective...
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Its all ones perspective in the illusion we live in where lies are truth and truth lies. Hell, you are even going to take my ancestors symbol of the Pentagram used for thousands of years and then take a shit on it like it is your rite to do which you couldn't be farther from the truth BRO.

Who made you the steward of our ancestors symbols?

I don't like liars who lie to bros or think they know when it is painfully obvious they simply do not or are lying. I call a spade a spade and reflect the truth. Please do not tell me to chill out when I AM doing just that.
 Quoting: HEYLEL


Fine..

I have never personaly used a symbol as an excuse to commit sin.

I know my relationship with God

If it helps study Eastern Stars and the symbol of their upside down penty

Its what you make of it.

Since were still fallen in sin and death. Im leaning on God to make it right and deliver his Son , wherever he may be..

There is a 2 gallon jug of Anointing oil made to the specifics of Exodus....that belongs to the Priesthood of Aaron. It was taken to a hidden place before the temple was destroyed and no one knows where it is.

It will be this oil that will anoint the head of the King Moshiach, and then this King will make the earth into Paradise and we can stop this duality nonsense once and for all ..cause Im tired of it.
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Heylel, Im neither. All Initiaites strive to walk the Middle Path.

The middle path is the narrow one...

Both sides of the right and the left will be pitted against eachother and the outcome wont be good.

Middle path is where the sanctuary is..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Yes, the sanctuary in hell....I get it 100%!!!!!
 Quoting: HEYLEL


How are you going to be a inspiring teacher if your attitude is always glass half empty, I dont get it..
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There is no good or evil, just differences in infinite consciousness. Though the golden rule definitely needs to be considered as well.

So, the actions aren't necessarily evil. But if they interfere with the golden rule (Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm anyone/thing else [unless they consent]) then we have a problem (though at our current lower state of consciousness maybe even that has more to it).

We, having the connection to infinite consciousness, have both evil and good in us. The reptile and the hawk. We are the feathered dragon. We encompass all and whatever is good for one may not be good for others. But awareness and adherence to the golden rule is something that should be considered but most likely it is handled by karma for that/those spirits anyway (doesn't mean we shouldn't try to better it)
 Quoting: shizen


Of course the is both good and evil in all of us. We are divine beings reincarnated into animals who kill, eat meat and commit violence.

You are either of the love and light or sun

There is no good, evil or God. It just is iamwith
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There is no good or evil, just differences in infinite consciousness. Though the golden rule definitely needs to be considered as well.

So, the actions aren't necessarily evil. But if they interfere with the golden rule

(Do whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm anyone/thing else [unless they consent])


then we have a problem (though at our current lower state of consciousness maybe even that has more to it).
 Quoting: shizen


Well said.


hf



I believe 'Evil' was a word created to scapegoat the ineffably horrendous actions of Man and our choices and place it then, within a word construct to shift the blame.

The point Free Will.

Choice.

We choose how, what, when, why, where...every moment of every day.

Engaging in immoral behavior is a choice, not a word.


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Evil definitely seems a construct of lower consciousness. Not necessarily bad (still a part of all consciousness) but just is. If people want to believe in 'evil', that's their choice and consciousness (well, is it or was this thought of 'evil' conditioned into them?). But to think these things adhere to everyone's view of reality is faulty. When you truly realize there's no evil, evil should have no hold on your (fear of evil).

Problem is some are so used to fear that they don't realize their actions are giving power to this supposed evil by thinking it even exists. If you don't even put the thought of evil in your consciousness you might expand your awareness.

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We have a lot to look forward to, Come full circle . Lets finish the story...

Hebrew studies is soothing to me, cause they use no symbol of Satan nor good and evil. Their focus is on a plan...


A PLEA FOR MOSHIACH

BY APOLLO


Studies of the Hebrew Prophecies..


Moshiach is Hebrew for Messiah. Moshiach means the “the anointed one" in Hebrew. And it is a core belief in Judaism, but seldom learned by Christians of the West. Those that have faith in Moshiach feel it as strongly as Christians have faith in Jesus. The Jewish people do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, rather they see the future Savior of Mankind as a great teacher, King and Soldier of Righteousness, "Tzedek" that influences our lives directly, making abudance touch wherever he touches and blessings to shower our material world and build his temple "Beit HaMikdash" We do not have to wait to out death to ever have hope of seeing Moshiach, Moshiach will not appear to us after we pass this earthly time, He is to come while humanity is alive and calling out !

"Tikkun Olam" is the healing of the world in the world to come, "Olam Habah"

You do not have to be a Jew to let Moshiach bless your life, cause he will free mankind into a state of bliss knowing their creator G-d who cannot have a name, He is the infallible one, the one whose name. (HaShem) is beyond our limited understand, but we may draw close to him none the less. He does not cast souls into hell. forbid the study of stars, nor say this earth is beyond redemption, G-d wants us to be happy now ! And enjoy the fruitages of earth now !

Here is the Belief number 12 of the Mainmonides Thirteen Principles of Faith That speaks of Moshiach

Principle XII. The era of the Messiah

And this is to believe that in truth that he will come and that you should be waiting for him even though he delays in coming. And you should not calculate times for him to come, or to look in the verses of Tanach to see when he should come. The sages say: The wisdom of those who calculate times [of his coming] is small and that you should believe that he will be greater and more honored than all of the kings of Israel since the beginning of time as it is prophesied by all the prophets from Moses our teacher, peace be upon him, until Malachi, peace be upon him. And he who doubts or diminishes the greatness of the Messiah is a denier in all the Torah for it testifies to the Messiah explicitly in the portion of Bilam and the portion of “You are gathered (towards the end of Deut)”. And part of this principle that there is no king of Israel except from the house of David and from the seed of Solomon alone. And anyone who disputes this regarding this family is a denier of the name of God and in all the words of the prophets.

Heaven is here on earth, The Tanach describes the temple.in II Chronicles.

3:3- "The length by cubits after the ancient measure was threescore cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits".
3:4- "And the porch that was before the house, the length of it, according to the breadth of the house, was twenty cubits, and the height a hundred and twenty; and he overlaid it within with pure gold."

And likewise , we shall have beautiful sound homes and dwelling places and food and peace when the Moshiach touches our lives and blesses us with the bounty. God did not want us to lack in anything .

QOUTE:

In every generation there is a scion of the House of David who has the potential to be the Moshiach



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Evil definitely seems a construct of lower consciousness. Not necessarily bad (still a part of all consciousness) but just is. If people want to believe in 'evil', that's their choice and consciousness (well, is it or was this thought of 'evil' conditioned into them?). But to think these things adhere to everyone's view of reality is faulty. When you truly realize there's no evil, evil should have no hold on your (fear of evil).

Problem is some are so used to fear that they don't realize their actions are giving power to this supposed evil by thinking it even exists. If you don't even put the thought of evil in your consciousness you might expand your awareness.
 Quoting: shizen


Its a personal choice, correct, If someone wants to harm a woman or child. that is their choice but they chose a bad choice and will have to suffer the consequences for their actions thru the law, and karmic and pain...

Upright choices to do no harm, harmonize life.. and continuity and for the betterment of all cause the decision was based on higher vibration and love.

Even in warfare, it should only be by consent. Men who consent to fight one another leaving out innocent civilians, women and children. (if only everyone believed in that today)
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Overall Heylel. I love your knowledge, but I conclude we will never agree...

As a middle pather I refuse to take sides..

All I want out of life is peace.
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Cool thread, I 5*'d it. I have work to do today so I cannot participate as you wish, but here is something quick you may find insightful.


Did you know the Pythagorean pentagram uses a sacred angle of 23.5'? What does this angle found commonly in right-sided art denote? Here is one author's interpretation I found very insightful: [link to www.freewebs.com]
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Why are you so hopped up and in your face? Chill out Bro. Symbols are just tools. Brings out the beast or the God in man

For example, take shit.
you can take shit and leave it as a turd on the carpet or mail it to someone

Or you can take the poop of animals and recycle as fertilizer to grow food.

Mankind sucks when they have to crap on something and smear it campaign

God make everything in the world and he meant us to be stewards

I look at the down turned penty and see Jesus falling to incarnation to save us from our sins...


Its all ones perspective...
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Its all ones perspective in the illusion we live in where lies are truth and truth lies. Hell, you are even going to take my ancestors symbol of the Pentagram used for thousands of years and then take a shit on it like it is your rite to do which you couldn't be farther from the truth BRO.

Who made you the steward of our ancestors symbols?

I don't like liars who lie to bros or think they know when it is painfully obvious they simply do not or are lying. I call a spade a spade and reflect the truth. Please do not tell me to chill out when I AM doing just that.
 Quoting: HEYLEL


Fine..

I have never personaly used a symbol as an excuse to commit sin.

I know my relationship with God

If it helps study Eastern Stars and the symbol of their upside down penty

Its what you make of it.

Since were still fallen in sin and death. Im leaning on God to make it right and deliver his Son , wherever he may be..

There is a 2 gallon jug of Anointing oil made to the specifics of Exodus....that belongs to the Priesthood of Aaron. It was taken to a hidden place before the temple was destroyed and no one knows where it is.

It will be this oil that will anoint the head of the King Moshiach, and then this King will make the earth into Paradise and we can stop this duality nonsense once and for all ..cause Im tired of it.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


I AM not privy to any secret insider bro on low happenings or newly made prophecies etc. I just come here to inform you all of what I AM told to say to you with my open mouth and truths most people do not want to hear.

As long as we Sons of God reincarnate into bodies, we will ALWAYS be dual in nature. Hence, we have a long way to go before we can throw our natural dualities out the human window. Until we become bevelant spirits who do not need matter to incarnate into to evolve, then we will need to teach the young how to be one with the divine instead of an animal who does good and bad via free will as if it a Dog walk in pathetic human park.
Regards,

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@ Apollo Illuminist: Yup the only part as said is the consent part. But still I wouldn't label it as 'bad', more like you said, seemingly disharmonic. But I think as you go higher in consciousness (which is not something most of us can easily do) you'll see that it actually is all a part of harmony as far as bringing this aspect into your higher awareness. But fighting for what's right and trying to better these things are also part of harmony ;)

@ OP: Also yes, I have to think you OP for this interesting thread and all the info you put together. Some new information is always good but try not label things so much, make things so concrete. Obviously as you label things that is an aspect of lowering the vibration of the truth to make it a 'physical' label. Let it go or at least be aware that while it is a case for your consciousness it is not necessarily universal (well it is and it isn't). Keeping things in the lower realm with labels seems like it would actually support such 'evil' forces.

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We have a lot to look forward to, Come full circle . Lets finish the story...

Hebrew studies is soothing to me, cause they use no symbol of Satan nor good and evil. Their focus is on a plan...


A PLEA FOR MOSHIACH

BY APOLLO


Studies of the Hebrew Prophecies..


Moshiach is Hebrew for Messiah. Moshiach means the “the anointed one" in Hebrew. And it is a core belief in Judaism, but seldom learned by Christians of the West. Those that have faith in Moshiach feel it as strongly as Christians have faith in Jesus. The Jewish people do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, rather they see the future Savior of Mankind as a great teacher, King and Soldier of Righteousness, "Tzedek" that influences our lives directly, making abudance touch wherever he touches and blessings to shower our material world and build his temple "Beit HaMikdash" We do not have to wait to out death to ever have hope of seeing Moshiach, Moshiach will not appear to us after we pass this earthly time, He is to come while humanity is alive and calling out !

"Tikkun Olam" is the healing of the world in the world to come, "Olam Habah"

You do not have to be a Jew to let Moshiach bless your life, cause he will free mankind into a state of bliss knowing their creator G-d who cannot have a name, He is the infallible one, the one whose name. (HaShem) is beyond our limited understand, but we may draw close to him none the less. He does not cast souls into hell. forbid the study of stars, nor say this earth is beyond redemption, G-d wants us to be happy now ! And enjoy the fruitages of earth now !

Here is the Belief number 12 of the Mainmonides Thirteen Principles of Faith That speaks of Moshiach

Principle XII. The era of the Messiah

And this is to believe that in truth that he will come and that you should be waiting for him even though he delays in coming. And you should not calculate times for him to come, or to look in the verses of Tanach to see when he should come. The sages say: The wisdom of those who calculate times [of his coming] is small and that you should believe that he will be greater and more honored than all of the kings of Israel since the beginning of time as it is prophesied by all the prophets from Moses our teacher, peace be upon him, until Malachi, peace be upon him. And he who doubts or diminishes the greatness of the Messiah is a denier in all the Torah for it testifies to the Messiah explicitly in the portion of Bilam and the portion of “You are gathered (towards the end of Deut)”. And part of this principle that there is no king of Israel except from the house of David and from the seed of Solomon alone. And anyone who disputes this regarding this family is a denier of the name of God and in all the words of the prophets.

Heaven is here on earth, The Tanach describes the temple.in II Chronicles.

3:3- "The length by cubits after the ancient measure was threescore cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits".
3:4- "And the porch that was before the house, the length of it, according to the breadth of the house, was twenty cubits, and the height a hundred and twenty; and he overlaid it within with pure gold."

And likewise , we shall have beautiful sound homes and dwelling places and food and peace when the Moshiach touches our lives and blesses us with the bounty. God did not want us to lack in anything .

QOUTE:

In every generation there is a scion of the House of David who has the potential to be the Moshiach



-Apollo

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 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST



What I think you and every other fail to realize is that NO reincarnated Adept or King David would take this abuse or slavery lightly as if this is just the way it is supposed to be bro. You DO NOT enslave and play games with real Adepts, King Davids or reincarnated Saint Johns and expect them to sit nicely with their chains around their necks and their children's necks has the earth is being destroyed and our children poisoned.

It is the sickest thing I have ever witnessed in all my incarnations.

I AM sorry bro, but any initiate or alleged Adept who would sit back and throw their hands in the air to take the middle ground while all this is happening is one weak soul. It is not about taking sides, but fulfilling prophecy and our rites which is truth, light and love. There is no middle ground in truth, light and love. When you start placing a middle path between truth and the light, you have now forced yourself and everyone you teach to love their hells.
Regards,

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Good post. +5

I believe that ultimately it is the intention behind it. My favorite necklace is one of two pentagrams, one up, one down, overlapping. For me, up is more spirit oriented, down is more ego oriented. Together, they represent balance.
"Imagine no possessions"

"As Above, So Below"

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We have a lot to look forward to, Come full circle . Lets finish the story...

Hebrew studies is soothing to me, cause they use no symbol of Satan nor good and evil. Their focus is on a plan...


A PLEA FOR MOSHIACH

BY APOLLO


Studies of the Hebrew Prophecies..


Moshiach is Hebrew for Messiah. Moshiach means the “the anointed one" in Hebrew. And it is a core belief in Judaism, but seldom learned by Christians of the West. Those that have faith in Moshiach feel it as strongly as Christians have faith in Jesus. The Jewish people do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, rather they see the future Savior of Mankind as a great teacher, King and Soldier of Righteousness, "Tzedek" that influences our lives directly, making abudance touch wherever he touches and blessings to shower our material world and build his temple "Beit HaMikdash" We do not have to wait to out death to ever have hope of seeing Moshiach, Moshiach will not appear to us after we pass this earthly time, He is to come while humanity is alive and calling out !

"Tikkun Olam" is the healing of the world in the world to come, "Olam Habah"

You do not have to be a Jew to let Moshiach bless your life, cause he will free mankind into a state of bliss knowing their creator G-d who cannot have a name, He is the infallible one, the one whose name. (HaShem) is beyond our limited understand, but we may draw close to him none the less. He does not cast souls into hell. forbid the study of stars, nor say this earth is beyond redemption, G-d wants us to be happy now ! And enjoy the fruitages of earth now !

Here is the Belief number 12 of the Mainmonides Thirteen Principles of Faith That speaks of Moshiach

Principle XII. The era of the Messiah

And this is to believe that in truth that he will come and that you should be waiting for him even though he delays in coming. And you should not calculate times for him to come, or to look in the verses of Tanach to see when he should come. The sages say: The wisdom of those who calculate times [of his coming] is small and that you should believe that he will be greater and more honored than all of the kings of Israel since the beginning of time as it is prophesied by all the prophets from Moses our teacher, peace be upon him, until Malachi, peace be upon him. And he who doubts or diminishes the greatness of the Messiah is a denier in all the Torah for it testifies to the Messiah explicitly in the portion of Bilam and the portion of “You are gathered (towards the end of Deut)”. And part of this principle that there is no king of Israel except from the house of David and from the seed of Solomon alone. And anyone who disputes this regarding this family is a denier of the name of God and in all the words of the prophets.

Heaven is here on earth, The Tanach describes the temple.in II Chronicles.

3:3- "The length by cubits after the ancient measure was threescore cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits".
3:4- "And the porch that was before the house, the length of it, according to the breadth of the house, was twenty cubits, and the height a hundred and twenty; and he overlaid it within with pure gold."

And likewise , we shall have beautiful sound homes and dwelling places and food and peace when the Moshiach touches our lives and blesses us with the bounty. God did not want us to lack in anything .

QOUTE:

In every generation there is a scion of the House of David who has the potential to be the Moshiach



-Apollo

:solomon2:
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST



What I think you and every other fail to realize is that NO reincarnated Adept or King David would take this abuse or slavery lightly as if this is just the way it is supposed to be bro. You DO NOT enslave and play games with real Adepts, King Davids or reincarnated Saint Johns and expect them to sit nicely with their chains around their necks and their children's necks has the earth is being destroyed and our children poisoned.

It is the sickest thing I have ever witnessed in all my incarnations.

I AM sorry bro, but any initiate or alleged Adept who would sit back and throw their hands in the air to take the middle ground while all this is happening is one weak soul. It is not about taking sides, but fulfilling prophecy and our rites which is truth, light and love. There is no middle ground in truth, light and love. When you start placing a middle path between truth and the light, you have now forced yourself and everyone you teach to love their hells.
 Quoting: HEYLEL


Earth is being destroyed and children poisoned.

OK

Let me ask you.

You got a roof over your head? ( Most likely a beautiful newer home with more than a few bathrooms )

Your kid has nice clothes?

Can you go down the street and walk into a grocery store and have every kind of conceivable food imaginable all year round?

Can you walk into a restaurant and be served ?

Does the store have shoes and styles galore and the hardware store stock every tool and nursery stocks all these trees and flowers and landscaping?

So whats the problem?

You have more food and clothing and goods and shelter than the majority of people in the world. Youre a middle class American citizen and you still complain????

Has God not blessed you? And if you say its your abilities, can you not say that God has blessed you with those abilities to provide?

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