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Pentagram Meaning - Is it a Symbol for Good or Evil?

 
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It is the “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law,” that Aleister Crowley had taught.

I simply do not follow or agree with the teachings of the Church of Satan, Crowley or that of the Left Hand Path.


 Quoting: HEYLEL


More disinfo from you of course. Crowley's "Do what thou wilt" was about doing what the SOUL WANTS you to do in the material. Crowley AS A PERSON may have been on the left hand path but that teaching, when you actually get into it and read what he wrote, IS NOT. It does not give you allowance to do whatever your ego desires. The misinterpretation of that quote/ formula continues. Good job muddling the subject further. whatever
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to love their hells.

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Very interesting way of putting it.

Instead of 'love' however I would change the word to 'expect' and 'acknowledge' the lessons.

Without pull or push, there is no movement.


How far one can 'bend without breaking is up to the individual soul.

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@ Apollo Illuminist: Yup the only part as said is the consent part. But still I wouldn't label it as 'bad', more like you said, seemingly disharmonic. But I think as you go higher in consciousness (which is not something most of us can easily do) you'll see that it actually is all a part of harmony as far as bringing this aspect into your higher awareness. But fighting for what's right and trying to better these things are also part of harmony ;)

@ OP: Also yes, I have to think you OP for this interesting thread and all the info you put together. Some new information is always good but try not label things so much, make things so concrete. Obviously as you label things that is an aspect of lowering the vibration of the truth to make it a 'physical' label. Let it go or at least be aware that while it is a case for your consciousness it is not necessarily universal (well it is and it isn't). Keeping things in the lower realm with labels seems like it would actually support such 'evil' forces.
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Higher consciousness sees the unity in all. Everything will turn out fine in the end and therein is the peace that transcends all thought...


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Overall Heylel. I love your knowledge, but I conclude we will never agree...

As a middle pather I refuse to take sides..

All I want out of life is peace.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


You say never and I say sometimes we can agree. But your never statement shows me where I stand and what I need to do with my holographic relationship with you.

Yes, it is easy to take the middle path and just want peace in a time of war and destruction. Personally, I will take up my sword for my ancestors and my children to fight for what is right and our rites. I AM not a sheep for slaughter.

I AM royalty and a divine soul. A born again King who is trying to teach you all something about slavery and reincarnation. Do the elite or current royalty actually think that when they are reincarnated they will be born in Windsor Palace or as a Prince or Princess? No, they simply most likely will be born as slaves in the coming centuries to be victims of the very same said systems they are allowing to be created as are any high secret society brothers. We are creating our own hells and it is time to

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do you shave your asshole too?
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No, I trim the long 3" hairs so they dont get all shitty and grungy with dingle berrys s226
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It is the “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law,” that Aleister Crowley had taught.

I simply do not follow or agree with the teachings of the Church of Satan, Crowley or that of the Left Hand Path.


 Quoting: HEYLEL


More disinfo from you of course. Crowley's "Do what thou wilt" was about doing what the SOUL WANTS you to do in the material. Crowley AS A PERSON may have been on the left hand path but that teaching, when you actually get into it and read what he wrote, IS NOT. It does not give you allowance to do whatever your ego desires. The misinterpretation of that quote/ formula continues. Good job muddling the subject further. whatever
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20581494


The whole statement finishes with

"Love is the law, love under will.

So it would be:

“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, "Love is the law, love under will."
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Cool thread, I 5*'d it. I have work to do today so I cannot participate as you wish, but here is something quick you may find insightful.


Did you know the Pythagorean pentagram uses a sacred angle of 23.5'? What does this angle found commonly in right-sided art denote? Here is one author's interpretation I found very insightful: [link to www.freewebs.com]
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Thanks so much Royslist! Yes, the sacred angle of 23.5' you will find on most all upright stars and pyramids.

Our time has com

saturnstar

Sirius rises in the Constellation of Orion, from behind the Sun on July 23rd through what are called the "Dog Days" of Summer. Sirius A has a luminosity of 23.5. Sirius A is 23 times more bright than the Sun. Sirius B revolves 23 times per minute. This star system was also known as the guardian star of departed souls who we immortals are born in Cancer.

st john holy gra
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Google SkySirius

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It is neither good nor evil. It is actually a calendar that you were never taught about.

Thread: The Real Secret of the Pentagram - Venus Transit - 6/6/12 - and ISON
"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither"
--Benjamin Franlkin

No one ever said freedom was safe. Upon true understanding of the concepts of freedom, you shall realize that freedom is the most dangerous choice of lifestyle. There are no guarantees in freedom but those one provides for themselves, at their own will. True freedom comes with extreme personal risk. Are you willing to take the risk?

Thread: No One Ever Said Freedom Was Safe - A Short Thesis on Gun Control

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Re: Pentagram Meaning - Is it a Symbol for Good or Evil?
The pentagram is merely an expression of the irrational number Phi (1.61803399), aka golden ratio.

Thus the question is... "Is the golden ratio good or evil?"

That sounds silly, doesn't it? I guess it's no more good nor evil than Pi or any other number.
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It is the “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law,” that Aleister Crowley had taught.

I simply do not follow or agree with the teachings of the Church of Satan, Crowley or that of the Left Hand Path.
 Quoting: HEYLEL


More disinfo from you of course. Crowley's "Do what thou wilt" was about doing what the SOUL WANTS you to do in the material. Crowley AS A PERSON may have been on the left hand path but that teaching, when you actually get into it and read what he wrote, IS NOT. It does not give you allowance to do whatever your ego desires. The misinterpretation of that quote/ formula continues. Good job muddling the subject further. whatever
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NOT your soul. Your fleshly desires override the souls.
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It is the “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law,” that Aleister Crowley had taught.

I simply do not follow or agree with the teachings of the Church of Satan, Crowley or that of the Left Hand Path.


 Quoting: HEYLEL


More disinfo from you of course. Crowley's "Do what thou wilt" was about doing what the SOUL WANTS you to do in the material. Crowley AS A PERSON may have been on the left hand path but that teaching, when you actually get into it and read what he wrote, IS NOT. It does not give you allowance to do whatever your ego desires. The misinterpretation of that quote/ formula continues. Good job muddling the subject further. whatever
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20581494


The whole statement finishes with

"Love is the law, love under will.

So it would be:

“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, "Love is the law, love under will."
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
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The pentagram is merely an expression of the irrational number Phi (1.61803399), aka golden ratio.

Thus the question is... "Is the golden ratio good or evil?"

That sounds silly, doesn't it? I guess it's no more good nor evil than Pi or any other number.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15041895


Precisely, thats why you have fundies calling it evil and satanists praising it as their symbol. Right Hand, Left Hand. total silliness

Its why Im the rational middle..

Science and Knowledge can destroy the silly games and superstitions..
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The pentagram is merely an expression of the irrational number Phi (1.61803399), aka golden ratio.

Thus the question is... "Is the golden ratio good or evil?"

That sounds silly, doesn't it? I guess it's no more good nor evil than Pi or any other number.
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There are 2 different types of pentagrams with two very different types of meanings.

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The pentagram is merely an expression of the irrational number Phi (1.61803399), aka golden ratio.

Thus the question is... "Is the golden ratio good or evil?"

That sounds silly, doesn't it? I guess it's no more good nor evil than Pi or any other number.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15041895


Precisely, thats why you have fundies calling it evil and satanists praising it as their symbol. Right Hand, Left Hand. total silliness

Its why Im the rational middle..

Science and Knowledge can destroy the silly games and superstitions..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Taking our ancestors symbol and then using it for the Church of Satan with the Pentagram and Baphomet is more like occultist theft. These symbols were not theirs to blasphemy.

I think taking the middle path is weak.

No, truth and real Adepts who use Science and Knowledge Will-IAM destroy the silly games and superstitions..
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what does the red line denote going through the upside down pentagram. There was a crop circle this month in england. Wiltshire on an et thread
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what does the red line denote going through the upside down pentagram. There was a crop circle this month in england. Wiltshire on an et thread
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You mean like this?

no upside down p
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what does the red line denote going through the upside down pentagram. There was a crop circle this month in england. Wiltshire on an et thread
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You mean like this?

:no upside down p:
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So I take it Bro, youre against or banning Eastern Stars Womans Masonry cause they use the upside down penty to symbolize the birth of the lamb?

Im not challenging you, Im just asking.. Its used for good too.
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if anyone! it depends on the people who represent a pentagram and their actions
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There is no such thing as "good" or "evil".
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You must be a Freemason or occultist who has a Grand Pater?
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agent Can you all send someone here who KnowSS WTF they are talking about so we can debate or is this the best you have daily?

It is like taking plastic guns from minimum wage mall cops.


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bump Any real Adepts out there who know what they are talking about or that do not have an obvious agenda.

All the, small things True care, truth brings I'll take, one lift Your ride, best trip

Always, I know You'll be at my show Watching, waiting Commiserating

Say it ain't so I will not go Turn the lights off Carry me home

Na, na, na


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i struggle with the concept of living my life for the purpose of obtaining some sort of reward after im dead. why is my current life not the reward? i want to do good because im alive now, not because there is something better for me later...
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Speaking of.. lets use ABYSS. Fundies think its where the demons from hell will arise..

Honestly, since when did the abyss in Fundie thought become evil? PERSPECTIVE FOLKS, PERSPECTIVE !



Hab 2:3 For the chazon (vision) is yet for a mo’ed (an appointed time); it speaks of HaKetz (the End), and does not lie; though it tarry, wait for him

Moshiach— see: Sanhedrin 97b, ‘It has been taught; R. Nathan said: This verse pierces and descends to the very abyss:11 For the Vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though he tarry, wait for him (Moshiach); because it will surely come, it will not tarry.12]; because he (Moshiach) will surely come, and will not tarry.

(11) Just as the bottom of an abyss cannot be reached, so is it impossible to grasp the full purport of this verse (Rashi).
(12) Hab. II, 3.
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what does the red line denote going through the upside down pentagram. There was a crop circle this month in england. Wiltshire on an et thread
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You mean like this?

no upside down p
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So I take it Bro, youre against or banning Eastern Stars Womans Masonry cause they use the upside down penty to symbolize the birth of the lamb?

Im not challenging you, Im just asking.. Its used for good too.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Well, anyone can do what they want under the whole of the law, so I gueSS Freemasons can do as they please or deem neceSSary to fulfill their goals. My educated gueSS is that what they tell initiates and or the public is the meaning of the upside down star is propaganda because you simply cannot change an ancient symbol to conform to whatever you profanely choose it to represent today.

That is like me taking the cross of Jesus Christ and then turning it upside down and then saying it is the same cross used for salvation.

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Speaking of.. lets use ABYSS. Fundies think its where the demons from hell will arise..

Honestly, since when did the abyss in Fundie thought become evil? PERSPECTIVE FOLKS, PERSPECTIVE !



Hab 2:3 For the chazon (vision) is yet for a mo’ed (an appointed time); it speaks of HaKetz (the End), and does not lie; though it tarry, wait for him

Moshiach— see: Sanhedrin 97b, ‘It has been taught; R. Nathan said: This verse pierces and descends to the very abyss:11 For the Vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though he tarry, wait for him (Moshiach); because it will surely come, it will not tarry.12]; because he (Moshiach) will surely come, and will not tarry.

(11) Just as the bottom of an abyss cannot be reached, so is it impossible to grasp the full purport of this verse (Rashi).
(12) Hab. II, 3.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Actually, I have seen you misquote the AbySS Apollo. The AbySS is the sea of common man where the royal king who is enslaved just as Moeses and Joseph were enslaved will arise.
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i struggle with the concept of living my life for the purpose of obtaining some sort of reward after im dead. why is my current life not the reward? i want to do good because im alive now, not because there is something better for me later...
 Quoting: Edge Rider


They can both be rewards or curses. It is up to you to make happen on both playing fields but it is what you do here that determines the afterlife and next incarnation.
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Speaking of.. lets use ABYSS. Fundies think its where the demons from hell will arise..

Honestly, since when did the abyss in Fundie thought become evil? PERSPECTIVE FOLKS, PERSPECTIVE !



Hab 2:3 For the chazon (vision) is yet for a mo’ed (an appointed time); it speaks of HaKetz (the End), and does not lie; though it tarry, wait for him

Moshiach— see: Sanhedrin 97b, ‘It has been taught; R. Nathan said: This verse pierces and descends to the very abyss:11 For the Vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though he tarry, wait for him (Moshiach); because it will surely come, it will not tarry.12]; because he (Moshiach) will surely come, and will not tarry.

(11) Just as the bottom of an abyss cannot be reached, so is it impossible to grasp the full purport of this verse (Rashi).
(12) Hab. II, 3.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Actually, I have seen you misquote the AbySS Apollo. The AbySS is the sea of common man where the royal king who is enslaved just as Moeses and Joseph were enslaved will arise.
 Quoting: HEYLEL


Youd be interested in figuring out the restraint with me then. As spoken of in Thesalonians, Im trying hardest to figure out what restrains him...
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Speaking of.. lets use ABYSS. Fundies think its where the demons from hell will arise..

Honestly, since when did the abyss in Fundie thought become evil? PERSPECTIVE FOLKS, PERSPECTIVE !

 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


No, it is the non-ordained authors over the last 1500 years giving their opinions on subjects or the Brotherhood when they do not have the blood rite to write on just like every day I see many of you stating lies and untruths as if some of you have the blood rite to pervert the teachings of our ancestors.

This is Gnostic 101. You don't teach or promote things that are not inherited via your blood to teach.

It is akin to a sea turtle telling a chimp how to live in the forest. iamwith
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This teachings I AM giving you could save your soul
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How?
and
What do you mean by "soul"?
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Because I AM teaching you the way to salvation and immortality. Your soul is the true immortal you and your body and mind the mortal flesh that turns to dust.


 Quoting: HEYLEL


This teachings I AM giving you could save your soul
 Quoting: HEYLEL

How?
and
What do you mean by "soul"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21050886


Because I AM teaching you the way to salvation and immortality. Your soul is the true immortal you and your body and mind the mortal flesh that turns to dust.


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So you must be immortal. How else can I learn from you?
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bump Do any of you out there know anything about what I AM stating in this thread?

Do you think it is unimportant?iamwith

This teachings I AM giving you could save your soul and yet, I AM ignored as always. rant
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Me , no ...

Pentagram point up = GOD man (angelic)

Pentagram point down = Demon Man (Lucipheric )


the root = SEX

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Demons spill the seed (fornication ) start point head down.
Mortal man (poor devil)

Angels transform the seed , Transmutation, Star point up Head up . Divine man (Inmortal )

now you think you were ignored ? No way The MASTERS are here and we speak to MORTALS from time to time ..

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What is your path or what star do you choose as your guide down your path in this incarnation?

:bart sex:

This is not up to me to decide for you, but your free will choice.
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Does free will exist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21050886


Sure, in some jungles and remote places on earth it does. However, we "citizens" do have "some" free will of religion, thoughts and spiritual pursuits.

The problem here in the US is that most humans worship the inverted cross, materialism and capitalism which is a form of Satanism. The huge problem, is that they don't even know it.


 Quoting: HEYLEL


The reason the Pope has an inverted cross on his chair there is because the first Pope was crucified upside down.

A "St. Peters" cross, or inverted cross, is actually quite revered in the Catholic faith.

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