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Why aren't you a Libertarian?

 
IronCross
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Why aren't you a Libertarian?
Do you need a big government nanny state to be your savior and tell you what is in your best interest?
'Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views" - William F Buckley Jr
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
Legitimate governance hasn't happened but it's theoretically possible
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
I like it when Government takes a giant chunk out of my paycheck so they can give it to Shaniqua who doesn't have a job to have more babies.
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
because I don't give a fuck about Earth politics.
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
Legitimate governance hasn't happened but it's theoretically possible
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Libertarian doesn't mean no government. I support very small state and local government. But power corrupts.

And yeah, welfare should be cut 100%. That is what charity is for. Forcing people into charity is still force.
'Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views" - William F Buckley Jr
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
Legitimate governance hasn't happened but it's theoretically possible
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9520353


Libertarian doesn't mean no government. I support very small state and local government. But power corrupts.

And yeah, welfare should be cut 100%. That is what charity is for. Forcing people into charity is still force.
 Quoting: IronCross



Yea, Forced Altruism is the Doctrine of Hitler !


"...we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men." -- Adolf Hitler, 10-7-33
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
bump to see the reasons given
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is an outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
Pin this shit.bump
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
Yeah let's see some liberal answers
'Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views" - William F Buckley Jr
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
One more bump. Either everyone on is a libertarian or they are scared
'Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views" - William F Buckley Jr
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
I believe in absolute minimum government. Total freedom and personal responsibility. I believe if you can't cut it then you suffer. I believe in taking home 100% of what i earn. I'm a libertarian i guess.
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
I believe in absolute minimum government. Total freedom and personal responsibility. I believe if you can't cut it then you suffer. I believe in taking home 100% of what i earn. I'm a libertarian i guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17361527


That's what we believe. Congrats on having the only sane political ideology
'Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views" - William F Buckley Jr
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
Personal responsibility is important, but inadequate on its own. Humans make mistakes and cannot predict the future. Therefore we also have a social responsibility. Individualism and collectivism need not be in conflict; after all, society is a collective of individuals. Individualism and collectivism need to be in balance to have a healthy, functioning society. A fully individualist society would be just as dysfunctional as a fully collectivist society.
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
libertarians... i am glad they exist.

i am not one, because i am not a selfish little boy, or a rich industrialist trying to reduce my labor costs.
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
Personal responsibility is important, but inadequate on its own. Humans make mistakes and cannot predict the future. Therefore we also have a social responsibility. Individualism and collectivism need not be in conflict; after all, society is a collective of individuals. Individualism and collectivism need to be in balance to have a healthy, functioning society. A fully individualist society would be just as dysfunctional as a fully collectivist society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


Social responsibility? Why am I responsible for someone else? And why is charity not enough, why do you advocate a force to your charity?

libertarians... i am glad they exist.

i am not one, because i am not a selfish little boy, or a rich industrialist trying to reduce my labor costs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3940512


Well marxist, why is the big government the only fair mediator despite how we see big government and corporations being completely in bed with each other today?
'Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views" - William F Buckley Jr
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
I like it when Government takes a giant chunk out of my paycheck so they can give it to Shaniqua who doesn't have a job to have more babies.
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Just spit on my monitor at work thanks!
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
I would rather be FREE to make mistakes and learn from them, than to have big brother keep me in a bubble to save me from myself.

That simple reason is why no matter how my views evolve over the years, I will always be a libertarian.
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
I don't need bloomberg to outlaw sodas so that I will know they re bad for me. I KNOW they are bad for me, and if I have a craving for one, I want the freedom to make bad decisions.

Freedom is all about bad decisions. We don't want freedom because we want to tow the line. We want freedom so we can do things that others see as "bad decisions"

Same for the freedom of speech. We don't want freedom of speech to talk about the weather. We want it to talk about things others see as contraversial.
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
because I graduated first grade
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
because I graduated first grade
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You mean because you're still in 1st grade and need Big Brother to change your diaper?
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
because I graduated first grade
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You mean because you're still in 1st grade and need Big Brother to change your diaper?
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No, because I graduated first grade. I attained the common sense and decision making skills of a seven year old at some point in my life (When i was seven) making me smart enough to not be a libertarian.
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
because I graduated first grade
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You mean because you're still in 1st grade and need Big Brother to change your diaper?
 Quoting: Charlie Scene


No, because I graduated first grade. I attained the common sense and decision making skills of a seven year old at some point in my life (When i was seven) making me smart enough to not be a libertarian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20176142


You mean you sat through a class ran by a marxist instructor and now you think you are politically enlightened?
'Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views" - William F Buckley Jr
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
anyone strongly against it....


hasn't done the research.


they argue for their own slavery.
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
because I graduated first grade
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20176142


You mean because you're still in 1st grade and need Big Brother to change your diaper?
 Quoting: Charlie Scene


No, because I graduated first grade. I attained the common sense and decision making skills of a seven year old at some point in my life (When i was seven) making me smart enough to not be a libertarian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20176142


You mean you sat through a class ran by a marxist instructor and now you think you are politically enlightened?
 Quoting: IronCross


No, I had the average intelligence inherent to all seven year olds therefore I was smart enough to not be a libertarian. It's not a hard concept, I think you are proving my point here buddy, I really shouldn't have to explain this much to you.

Are you the guy that has to have jokes explained to him?
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
because I graduated first grade
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20176142


You mean because you're still in 1st grade and need Big Brother to change your diaper?
 Quoting: Charlie Scene


No, because I graduated first grade. I attained the common sense and decision making skills of a seven year old at some point in my life (When i was seven) making me smart enough to not be a libertarian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20176142


Please explain, don't just throw out a cute anecdote. Why are Libertarians soo wrong?
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
Do you need a big government nanny state to be your savior and tell you what is in your best interest?
 Quoting: IronCross


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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
Absolute power corrupts, absolutely

Survival of the fittest is my motto. I believe in the freedom and liberty of the individual, but never at the expense of others.

He who appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. He who can not take care of himself without this law is both, for a wounded man shall say to his assailant if I live I will kill you. If I die you are forgiven, such is the rule of honor.
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
Instead of welfare we should have a national bank (end the Federal Reserve system) that pays citizens dividends.
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
Anyone heard of Clifford Hugh Douglas who advocating banking reform?
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Re: Why aren't you a Libertarian?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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