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Hey Homos here is your choice - continue having butt sex with men and spend eternity in hell fire or Repent and have eternal life

 
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No I'm not, you prove once again, you are not tracking with me.

I do not approve of the gay life, its harmful to them and harmful to society.

Yet I find it interesting you don't see the need they have, is the same that you had.

Without God starting the process you have no hope of repentance. They are stuck, right where they are, unable to move or change unless drawn, given faith, and given repentance.

Just as you and I (If you are ecklesia, I don't know if you are or not)...

But just like you and I, IF God had not imparted grace to us we would have been left unchanged.

Yet you judge them as individuals...Also I agree God judges as a whole, like a city or a society or behavior as a whole, but not always an individual.

THIS IS NEW TESTAMENT doctrine...This is Spiritual truth..

So are you getting it now?

Here let me give you an example...During WW2, Hitler was a horrible man, he started an horrible movement that was hateful and anti Jewish, thus killing millions of jewish people.

God would and has judged that Nazi movement, as we shall see, yet would God judge every German, who got trapped into that movement? What was their motive, maybe they feared for their live, maybe their families were threatened.

The individual heart is something that only God can judge, he sees all the angles and reason. You don't, neither do I.

We must be careful, how we live towards others.




Don't put words in my mouth.

It is not my fault if you don't fully understand what I wrote. You definitely do not understand my point.

It is one thing to judge a nation, or city...It is another to judge a human being...It is also another thing to hate evil, and hate a spiritual deception or familiar spirit that comes with a life out side of a encounter with Christ, a life without a emotional attachment to Jesus.

A life that is NOT led of The Spirit, as Paul says "JUDGE YOURSELF" and see IF YOU are IN CHRIST... This is not a mental decision to be a church goer or to be a christian. We are baptized into Christ... This is an act of God, "an event" that happens to us, it is done to us...So, are YOU in Christ?




Before I get started I am not in favor of the gay lifestyle, nor do I like their agenda.

I think they were harmed as children. I think liberalism has sacrificed lots of people at the alter of "ME".

Now here is my concern. Religious people (And I am a Christian) are so confused...

They condemn gays, yet do they condemn Moses for murdering the man in Egypt?

Which was Gods plan all along, for it sent Moses into the wilderness, as the Spirit sent Jesus into the wilderness.

How about verbally attacking David for Adultery, also a plan of God, since the child of promise and prophecy was born through the union between David and Bathsheba.

Or Paul, the one you worship, who wrote a great portion of the New Testament.

Concerning Gays repenting, how can they?

Repenting is NOT just a mental consent, agreeing with God, that you are wrong.

Repentance comes from the heart, with tears and sometimes emotions of anguish and pain.

Don't you remember your bibles? Repentance is a gift.

Now Christians, think back in time, who were you and what did you do, before you met Christ? Did you sin?

How did you repent or change your life? You didn't!

Yet God beckoned you, and drew you, dying for you while you were in sin
...That is IF YOU are "Ecklesia"!!!
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I wrote above of the availability of salvation for ALL SINNERS, including Murderers, Adulterers and Gay lifestyle, but AS YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN, you need to state BLACK AND WHITE TRUTH.

God didn't destroy a whole city for nothing such as Sodom and Gomorrah BECAUSE the affects of the sin were SPREADING to the outer areas. Look what has happened now in the world, the whole abhorent practice of it has SPREAD and the good people are suffering; their voices against such a practice are threatened with predjudice.

I pray you tell the next gay person you meet that Christ's redemption is available to them and He is NOT ok with gay lifestyle.

Satan is alive and well, just look around at the vessels he words his evil through
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I understand your post very well, your mixing God's word and approval of things around you in the world, you can't have both. If you are a friend of the world, then you are an enemy of God.

Speaking truth, that is intepreted at 'judgement or bigotry', well the truth is more important, and it must be spoken. Proverbs 6 comes to mind.

The lie of homosexuality is just more than sexual practices that is an abomination to God (abomination means 'disgust')
= it is EXACTLY what Satan uses to dismantle the family.
A house divided will fall, as it says.

You seem to leave out the fact that Satan is the one behind ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS = do you think Jesus said to Peter 'Get thee behind me Satan' in a gentle voice? Do you think Jesus was meek and mild in the temple when He overturned the tables - was His mention of either occasion judging? No, He spoke the truth, because the Father and He are one, and if He is in YOU, you WILL be led by teh Spirit to speak truth, EVEN IF you are rejected by others.

Persecution is EVIDENCE of speaking truth, its unpalatable because it requires the hearer to consider change, and we as human creatures of habit, do not like to change things that our flesh feeds upon.

Just to throw in another, I wonder how you think John the Baptist's mood and voice was when he cried out 'Adulterer'!!! Was that judgement, No, it was speaking the truth.
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Why are thumpers so obsessed with gay sex?
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BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO VISUALIZE THINGS. They are very good ad visualizing things they've never seen. lol

They are obsessed with gay anal sex because they cannot stop thinking about it. Everywhere they look is gay buttsex.

It haunts them, because they are unintelligent hypocrites.

Apparently their "lord" isn't working for them, because he allows them to remain obsessed with gays.
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I agree with you, most people think God is dead, and the book took his place.

Also they take statements made by Jesus, and try to use them as doctrines. Not understanding that what Jesus said was not only truth, but it was what caused His death for those destined to salvation, or even salvation of the whole world.

Then on top of that, there is the subject of "The Word" and "The Scriptures": these two things have been so interchanged
that most have no idea of the difference between the two...I'll list some examples below:


John 5:37-40
You have neither heard the Father's voice nor seen his form.
But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
But you are not willing to come to me that you may have life.

Here Jesus makes a clear distinction between the word of God, and the Scriptures.
Jesus speaks of His word abiding in you. The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart. Rom 10:8

Daniel 9:2
in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, understood from the Scriptures, according to the word of the LORD given to Jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of Jerusalem would last seventy years.

As seen above, the scriptures and the word of the Lord are different.
The word of God is living and active, Heb 10:12
Jesus said, The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life-giving. John 6:63

2 Peter 3:15-17
and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
as also in all his [Paul's] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
(Peter also categorizes Paul's epistles as scriptures.)

Matthew 21:42
Jesus saith unto them, Did you never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Matthew 22:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, you do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Matthew 26:54
But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"

Matthew 26:56
But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.

Mark 12:24
And Jesus answering said unto them, Do you not therefore err, because you do know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Mark 14:49
I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and you did not arrest me: but the scriptures must be fulfilled.

Luke 24:27
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 24:32
And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Luke 24:45
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures.

Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.

Acts 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Acts 18:24
And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

Acts 18:28
For he mightily convinced the jewish people, and that publicly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

Romans 1:2
(Which he had promised before by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Romans 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.

1 Corinthians 15:3
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures.

1 Corinthians 15:4
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.


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Yeah, I don't think you're grasping what I'm saying. The bible is no substitute for God. Do you have any idea how many screwed up denominations and even cults are based on bible? By itself, it's not all that useful. He didn't write the thing and leave.
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Will we get to drink beer, smoke pot, and listen to loud rock music in heaven? If not, then I choose the alternative.
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Will we get to drink beer, smoke pot, and listen to loud rock music in heaven? If not, then I choose the alternative.
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So you want heaven to be exactly like earth? LMAO
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Its so strange, churchians have no common sense.

I'm Not talking about the ecklesia here....

They don't seem to be able to think things through. For ex: most hymms were tavern songs...


Will we get to drink beer, smoke pot, and listen to loud rock music in heaven? If not, then I choose the alternative.
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So you want heaven to be exactly like earth? LMAO
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Its so strange, churchians have no common sense.

I'm Not talking about the ecklesia here....

They don't seem to be able to think things through. For ex: most hymms were tavern songs...


Will we get to drink beer, smoke pot, and listen to loud rock music in heaven? If not, then I choose the alternative.
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So you want heaven to be exactly like earth? LMAO
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Im not a "churchian" so I dont get the point of your post (no offense) could you explain deeper?
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The individual heart is something that only God can judge, he sees all the angles and reason. You don't, neither do I.

We must be careful, how we live towards others.

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OMG - I detect a SOUL!!


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So, what I'd like to know is why God would even care about this issue. Is gay sex really that big a deal to him?

I'm not gay, and am not even into butt sex with women, but what would God's problem with this be? It seems to me that whoever does it would enjoy it, and it would be something positive for them...and an expression of love...so what's the big deal? It's not like they're killing each other...they're loving each other. What's wrong with that?

God created an entire universe, and lots of animals have gay sex...so what's the big deal with people doing it?

I really don't get it. Why is this such an issue? Does it really affect any of us straight people? I've never had a gay couple barge into my bedroom and have butt sex on top of me...it's their business. Doesn't affect me one bit...and I'm sure it's pretty far off God's radar too...there are bigger problems with the world that he doesn't seem to care about...why would he care about this?

Besides, it's only mentioned in Leviticus, the same book that says eating shellfish and working on Sunday is an abomination...Jesus doesn't even say anything about gay sex.

I just don't get it. What's the issue here?
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To paraphrase Jesus, who said "Remove the beam from your own eye, before you tell your brother to remove the mote from his eye.", I say to OP, remove the Church steeple from your own ass before telling people to get their boyfriend's dick out of theirs,
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^This^
...and what happened to humility among Christians? Are they all self-righteous nowadays?
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God´s words are righteous. Comply.
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Kill your child if he curses at you. Is that righteus to you?
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So, what I'd like to know is why God would even care about this issue. Is gay sex really that big a deal to him?

I'm not gay, and am not even into butt sex with women, but what would God's problem with this be? It seems to me that whoever does it would enjoy it, and it would be something positive for them...and an expression of love...so what's the big deal? It's not like they're killing each other...they're loving each other. What's wrong with that?

God created an entire universe, and lots of animals have gay sex...so what's the big deal with people doing it?

I really don't get it. Why is this such an issue? Does it really affect any of us straight people? I've never had a gay couple barge into my bedroom and have butt sex on top of me...it's their business. Doesn't affect me one bit...and I'm sure it's pretty far off God's radar too...there are bigger problems with the world that he doesn't seem to care about...why would he care about this?

Besides, it's only mentioned in Leviticus, the same book that says eating shellfish and working on Sunday is an abomination...Jesus doesn't even say anything about gay sex.

I just don't get it. What's the issue here?
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But Jesus says that every letter every dot of the law still stands.
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Romans 1:27

And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.
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Romans 1:27

And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.
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And. . .you've *seen* people doing these things? Cuz if you haven't, it's just hearsay.
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If I do my wife in the butt does she go to hell?
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All men and women are sinners before God. There is nothing in the Word to suggest that this sin should be viewed as certain damnation while the sins of hatred and judgment and persecution are acceptable and normal to GOD. GOD hates all sin.

Christ's blood is more than enough to cover any and all sin and he wants gay people just as they are. He loves us just as we are and does not judge us. He knows better than anyone that not even a sparrow falls from the sky apart from his Father's will. Certainly he understands that a gay person is helpless against his Father's will.

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

Matthew 7:1-2
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.


Nothing happens apart from God's will, and he is the author of their desires, so if their desire is make love with someone of the same gender, then I strongly believe he will be faithful to them and satisfy that. Even if it's not allowed in Heaven, I have seen for myself that anything goes in Paradise as long as it's loving. I have personally seen massive amounts of gay and lesbian sex there myself...actually every form of taboo i can think of....and i have to say it was much more attractive than the straight hatred on this thread. the perfect love of God.

if you have noticed Paradise's influence on mythology, fiction, hollywood...etc what goes on there is pretty freaky deaky.

Truly we are all sinners before the Almighty. some of lie, some cheat, some judge, some hate, some have anal sex with girls, some have anal sex with guys, some covet their neighbors ass.

The Father above, who is perfect love, took care of all of this buy sending us his Beloved Christ. There is no condemnation in Christ Jesus.

The LORD is Almighty to remove our shame!

Also, GOD is not only the Alpha, but also the Omega. So He is purely feminine as well as purely Masculine. An effeminate man or masculine woman can be certain Jesus can relate to them. Truly Jesus is everyone's best friend, whether they know it or not.
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To paraphrase Jesus, who said "Remove the beam from your own eye, before you tell your brother to remove the mote from his eye.", I say to OP, remove the Church steeple from your own ass before telling people to get their boyfriend's dick out of theirs,
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^This^
...and what happened to humility among Christians? Are they all self-righteous nowadays?
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God´s words are righteous. Comply.
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Kill your child if he curses at you. Is that righteus to you?
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If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head. Leviticus 20:9

The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, an everyone is forcing his way into it. Luke 16:16

Luke 8:21 ... My mother and brothers are those who hear God's word and put it into practice.

And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Matthew 23:9

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One cannot understand without knowing the whole Bible. Sorry for you.
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Sure, its a long post, but it gives enough info that should answer lots of your questions:

The "word of God" equals in my mind hearing, not reading

"The word of the Lord" "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the NT about hearing, hardly anything about reading.

Everything written in the bible was spoken, before it was written. Genesis was spoken, then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, the message, or to experience Christianity, and it can not be the bible. WHY? Because the printing press is a fairly new invention, and many people throughout the ages couldn't read. This is true not only in the times of Christ, but in the dark ages.

Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a place where they have taken the place of God, in many circles today.

Also to express my point, do this: Every place in the scriptures where it says, "the word" or "the word came unto" replace every instance with "The bible"....

It just will not make sense...


I think God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, which is churchianity.

He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together, and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...

So there is no way they can fellowship with one another. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and do church with all the people there.

God's word is true.

The word and the bible are NOT necessarily the same thing. Today we use the terms "The Word" and "The Bible" as if they are always the same thing. The scriptures can become alive to you, and they are true, but without God, making them real and alive to you, or giving revelation of truth to you, you are sunk. Although the bible is true, it just has no life apart from God... What God can and does do is impart life to you from the scriptures.

We see this all throughout the OT and NT... In the OT, it was "the word of the Lord came unto so Jeremiah". In the NT, it was "Peter rise and eat".

Today the so-called church has defined Christianity by "The Book". Why? Because they can control that, via their so-called doctrines, preaching, and one man shows. They have refused for the longest time to let "THE BODY" minister to one another as the Spirit leads.

But once you accept the truth that God's word can be from the scriptures, but not solely from the scriptures, then you find yourself saying "Speak Lord, here am I"...He may speak by His Spirit, by The Scriptures, or by His still small voice.

History proves this to be true along with the scriptures quoted above...

History shows us, the dark ages, when there was no printing press, and people couldn't read or write. Yet we know there were some people who KNEW Christ, there was Madam Guyon, and Jean Nicholas Grou, just to name a two.

Then of course the disciples couldn't read, but they had the living word, became flesh which was Christ. They lived by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God, as should we...Jesus speaks of hearing much more than reading. He also condemns the Pharisees for looking to the Torah, BUT not being willing to come to Him, the word of life.

And so change is coming, we will see it soon, and when it happens, it will rip this so-called Christianity from the hands of these corrupt churches and there doctrines will become invalid. Overnight their religious live will become irrelevant, as we see the body of Christ manifest in our.

Below my testimony, are 4 dreams. I have dreams, most I don't remember, and the ones that I do remember are usually stupid. But these 4 were as if I were really there...I would love to know what you think they mean.

Blessings to you
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MY STORY:
I came from a violent home, (drugs, alcohol, gun shots, being chased with knives, people thrown through picture pane windows), in fact I was born three months early because my father kicked my mother in the stomach, I was born weighing two pounds nine ounces, this was DEC of 1956.

As early as 7yrs old, I was out on the streets till 3-4am, I was put in three orphanages... One night I remember, my father snuck into our house, he put a loaded pistol in my hand and told me too shoot my sisters and my mother, it was crazy. Through all of this, (which I wouldn't change), I came out a fairly normal kid, I was involved in sports and didn't do drugs, or drink. I thought I was a survivor, wanting only too make it through another day.

At age 16 (in 1974) I started too sense a need in my life, an emptiness that I couldn't explain. I knew I had too find God/Jesus, but who was HE? I had no idea where too find HIM, so I went to the local library to find books concerning world religions, God, and the occult. At the library I met an ex hippie (Gary Osborn) he saw my books and decided too share the message with me. Gary invited me to pray in the back of his V.W. so I did, I remember saying "God forgive me for my sins, and whatever you have for me I want it all".

Well at first nothing happened I expected, lightening or something. Gary said, "Just go home and praise God" I said, "What's that, mean" Gary said, "Just thank him" So I did just that.

The remaining is sacred to me, before I asked Jesus into my heart, I never heard voices, I never drank, and I never did drugs, but one week after meeting Jesus while in the middle of my last class (during high school) A voice, just as clear, as someone standing next too you, spoke, and as the voice spoke it said to me, "rod tell them about Jesus" I was surprised, but unafraid, I put my hand over my mouth, since I didn't want anyone too think I was talking too myself, I said (to whoever spoke too me) "I don't know what to say" the voice said "don't be afraid, I'll give you the words to say" To this day I don't remember my words, but I spoke too those kids about Jesus and salvation, their mouths just dropped open and then, class was over, I walked out of that room, feeling like I had never felt before.

The next day was Saturday; I slept in the living room on an old couch. When I woke it was early and I decided too turn on the TV, to watch my favorite cartoon, the roadrunner.

As I sat there watching the TV, I got up and looked outside, everything was so beautiful, (I never appreciated nature, I just wanted too make it thru another day). BUT now it was so pretty, I sat back down on the couch, and as I did I was somewhere else.

I was sitting at a long rough hewn table, to my right was God, the father, I couldn't see him, to my left was Satan, him I could see (he looked like a man only very big) then in front of me was Jesus, three bowls appear, filled with what looked like porridge. Now the father spoke and said Satan dismiss yourself, Satan stood and screamed, then vanished. Three bites were taken out of the bowl. Then all at once I was watching myself from a distance, walking with Jesus up a grassy pathway. Jesus was speaking to me but from a distance I couldn't hear him, I could see myself shaking my head (like I understand) then thru my eyes I saw the house where I had been sleeping.

I didn't know what had happened; I'd never experienced anything like that, but I knew two things, I had too find a pastor to talk too, and I KNEW GOD loved me and wanted something from me...my total surrender, my life totally under his control, every second, moment by moment, and I was consumed with this one desire, to live too PLEASE HIM. Let me give you an example: When a friend from school would come over and say, "Hey rod." "Let's go to a show" I'd say, "hold on." Then Id go in the bathroom and pray, "Lord should I go?" Sometimes the Lord would say "go", sometimes "no" At times He was silent, when this happened I would look inside, to my heart, (Spirit), (see Colossians 3:15) if I had peace I would go, If not, Id stay home.

As I practiced this new desire, (surrender), I noticed the voice of the Lord became more frequent and clearer, (John 10:27). It always had to agree with scripture. The word of the Lord will always agree with the true meaning and / or the true interpretation of scripture).

I new I needed to get a bible, I went to a bookstore and I got the largest family bible Id ever seen, with pictures and everything. I was so happy. That night the voice of the lord said, "Read Matthew 5." I had to look in the contents; I didn't know where Matthew was. When I found it and started too read, the words became a ("Word of the Lord to me") they just jumped off the page, they seemed to come alive, and they filled me, with hope, love and peace. Now I knew God loved me, and my sins were gone, I was forgiven...

As time passed I grew, sometimes Id walk into a busy office or building (like a D.O.L) and the Lord would say go sit by that guy, I would strike up a conversation, then say "you don't know me but I'm a Christian and God is going too share with me about your life" I don't mean simple things like "you have the flu" or "Headaches", but deep, personal things that others couldn't know or even guess. People would usually start to cry and ask "how did you know?" I'd say "I didn't but God knew".

One of the best lessons from the Lord concerning trusting Him happened like this; I was traveling from Philly to Atlantic city, I got on the road, and started to hitch a ride, (it wasn't illegal at that time) within one hour and twenty minuets I was in Atlantic city (which was a one hour drive!) I got 4 different rides, as I stepped into each vehicle I boldly proclaimed "Hi I'm a child of the King, and God's going to bless you for picking me up!" God gave me very personal details about each of those people and all but one came to Christ.

When I got to Atlantic City, God said "Rod, when you get to the prayer meeting tonight I want you to give all your money, to Johnnie Diaz". I said "Lord that's all I've got?" (About 300.00) God replied; "you take care of your brothers and sisters in the Lord and I'll take care of you." So upon arriving in Atlantic City, I secretly gave all my money to Johnnie, (this was to cover something for Johnnie that was very personal, so I know he didn't share this with anyone).

That night I asked myself "how am I going to get back to work, tomorrow? I didn't have a penny, not even enough for bus fare, and in my spirit I knew I wasn't to hitch hike, but instead the Lord wanted me on the bus. After sleeping that night and leaving the brothers house the next day, (where the meeting had been held), I started walking to the bus station. As I got closer and closer, I was imagining, "is the drivers going to just "know" he's suppose to let me ride for free?" But as I approached the depot, a brother named "Chicky" came out of his house and said "rod I think the Lord wants me to give this to you." It was exactly what I needed for bus fare!

This has been a short summary of my life, oh one more thing. Life didn't continue this way for me, I ruined that. I don't live surrendered moment by moment now, or my heart is hidden from me, I'm just not sure. Where does man find the will and desire to live such a life, or is it a gift as is repentance?

Should I confess the most difficult thing in my life with you? After all we are strangers! After living this way for sometime and seeing my life change, and having peace beyond comprehension, I disobeyed the lord after he spoke too me. I lived to obey him, it was my passion…I knew a man, he was a believer, and his name was Bob Chorney. Bob was like the father I never had. Bob is dead now, I loved him very much, and we forgave one another.

One day I went to visit Bob, we talked and prayed for a while then Bob said, "rod", "Paula is gone (Bob's wife). "Why don't you go to dinner with me"? Immediately the Lord spoke and said "rod don't go" I said Bobby I can't go. He said "oh rod go with me ". I said Bob I can't. I prayed back too the lord, in my mind saying "Lord it will be alright, you know I don't drink, I'll just eat something with Bob" The Lord didn't reply. So we went. All was well until a brother named Aggie Rodriguez, started to argue with Bob, I couldn't watch, so I started to leave, as I went outside Bob said "Rod if your going to walk you might as well walk all the way back too Washington, and don't come back" OH the pain. Well the next morning, Bob and Paula showed up, Bob said "rod forgive me I'm so sorry", the Lord spoke instantly and said "rod forgive him, go too him tell him it's ok and that you love him". I said "Lord I can't. I won't, it hurts too bad".

Soon I left for Washington. My life, outside of God's will, was torture. No peace, no answers, sin in total control.

Jean Nicholas Grou says, "God delights in two things, for a man too know God and too know himself." I now know what I'm capable of without him, living life for myself, Sinning, being rebellious. I want to recommend a couple books that I discovered a few years ago, the book is "Practicing the presence" BY Lawrence and Labach, there are two versions this one is best and includes Labach's testimony. "Hinds feet on High places" and "The breaking of the outer man for the release of the spirit" By Watchman Nee are very good also.

Now let me share some thoughts/opinions:

1).How do you describe this LIFE? As a Christian it's hard to do. As I recall moments in my own life, I think of times of stillness, in the midst of activity or in the quiet of night. The presence of His Spirit was there, sometimes speaking other times He was silent, yet the undeniable presence of His Spirit was so real. You couldn't describe it too anyone else, sometimes he was so near, almost physical, at other times He was, just felt, deep in your heart.

I could at times think, and He would answer. Sometimes the answer was spoken, and at other times it was a still small voice in my heart.

Sometimes I would see a person, and while looking at them, I knew about them.

I recall the passion to tell others about him at any given moment, looking for such an occasion never caring where I was, or who was near by.

Constantly His Love moved over me in waves and yet it abode, never departing. I would wake up in the middle of the night and He was there, like a mother hen.

I remember the love for others that was not my own. I remember feeling, and being, separate from the world yet still in its midst.

I recall not worrying about the kind of car I drove, or the condition of my clothes, knowing that He was fully aware of all these things.

I recall being invited out for dinner with brothers, and thinking (silently between myself and God), "Lord I don't have any money, but I'm hungry" and then someone would say "hey rod I'll buy ok?" Do you have days like this?

Do you remember days like this from your past? I believe this is something no one can take from us. This is why WE MUST EXPERIENCE GOD! Experiencing God is more important than the scriptures! You see if you experience HIM then, Bible revelation can be added to you. But if you don't experience HIM first then Bible knowledge is just a compilation of facts, they are true, but they don't have any place of reference, without HIM.

2).Most of my life, at least as far back as I can remember I've had a desire and love for God/Jesus. As I've grown older, I've seen many things in "Christendom", I've seen communes (come and go in failure). I've seen myself and other brothers walk in their own ways (you might call it backsliding), I've been hurt by supposed brothers in Christ, I've seen TV preachers act cocky, and ridiculous, I've seen people chase tithes and money, I've seen people in big churches (faithful tithers) go without help while in need, I've seen people chase their own kingdom and building programs. I've seen people pretend to prophecy, knowing they were not HEARING from HIM, (and in failure, excuse themselves by saying they were practicing), I've seen names in lights (but not Jesus name). I've seen people destroyed by the shepherding movement. I've seen men of god after devoting their lives to "the ministry" destroyed after a single mistake, instead of forgiven. On and on I could go... So does any of the above remind you of the book of acts or the first group of believers?

3).The first century church in the New Testament turned the world upside down in a short time NOT because of their words alone but because of the LIFE residing IN them. This was a spirit thing...NOT a mental thing, it wasn't an agreement with certain doctrines or creeds, it wasn't from arguing the scriptures, it wasn't from forming a new church or denomination, they had and were living LIFE like Jesus 24/7 every moment of each day, a life of submission, pleasing the father, a life defined by others as "seeing they had been with Jesus".

4). In the 1860's 1900's 1940's 1960's we saw the beginning of several moves of God upon people who were desperate to know HIM. They found the one they were seeking for.

Then shortly after in each time period, (even in the new testament) we see charlatans, hirelings move in among the sheep of God, these men who really don't know the master teach doctrines not from revelation via an intimate relationship. But from the minds of others who were also like themselves, who teach only from the tree of knowledge: From the mind of one man to the mind of another, thereby polluting the little sheep and convincing others, because the so-called doctrines of men are believed by the masses also. This is such a subtle thing that it can inhibit your walk, because you're not discipled but instead taught by men who have never had an intimate walk with God. So as believers we must know Him and find revelation that agrees with the scriptures, and or that changes our understanding of the scriptures.

5). A Christian historian tells a true story about a peasant in the 1600's living under the rule of the Catholic Church. The peasant is working the field and a cardinal and his procession go by, as they approach the cardinal speaks to the peasant, about a new edict from Rome. The cardinal quotes a verse of scripture; the peasant replies that the cardinal quoted the verse incorrectly. The cardinal says to the peasant "How would you know, being you are unlearned and illiterate?" The peasant replies: "because the spirit IN ME said you quoted it wrong"!

How true this is, if we only have the book and don't hear that still small voice on the inside, from the throne of our heart the center of HIS kingdom! Then I fear we miss the most important piece of intimacy, yet HIS Word and HIS scriptures work together, one a current guide for us THE NOW and the other, which can still speak but was spoken to another hundreds of years ago, serves as a foundation. But We live by breath, and the words that proceed from the mouth of God, "My sheep know my voice" "for those who are sons of God are led of the spirit of God"



Here is Dream #1:

I was on the head of a beast, in a large body of water (Like the ocean). It was night and the darkness was so real it could be felt. The clouds above were very thick and black. The beast was thrashing as if it wanted to throw me off. I was so afraid!
I was holding on as tight as I could. Then I looked up, and when I did, the clouds opened and rays of light came through the clouds, with the light came that voice that I had heard before and knew so well.

He said "Rod; if I'm ever to use you, I must break you"!
I woke, wet with sweat, shaking...Saying as I woke, "thank you, Lord you haven't forgotten me"

Here is Dream #2:

I am in a church; it is a large church, one that in reality I have never seen. This was a dream that was so real; it was as if I were really there.
In the dream I am cleaning the bathroom floor, on my hands and knees, with a small brush. I stand as a priest comes into the room. I start to speak to him, about spiritual things, he listens, and then I leave the restroom and enter the foyer.

I notice the large room is built in a round fashion and that the windows are also large. People are leaving to go outside. As I exit the building, an earthquake hits, I look up and the sky is doing this "warp 9 star trek" kind of thing. I look to my left and I notice a man is in his car, his head is bleeding, he is dead.

Everyone starts to rejoice, saying "yes that is the big one"! I yell "No". "There is another one coming, and it is much larger"

I start to run for my home, and as I cross a large open area, I reach what looks like a ditch. I jump, but instead of a ditch it a huge open area, a chasm, the ground thousands of feet below! I start to fall so fast, picking up speed as I fall. I yell out "Jesus save me" Something grabs me and lowers me to the ground gently...I start running again.

Here is Dream # 3.

I see a street sign, the name on the sign is Jordan Road. I am walking and then I get picked up by someone in a van. He asks were I'm going and I tell him a few miles ahead.

Then as we reach the destination, I thank him, and look to my right, there is a house in a field. The house is glowing and the light is emanating from the inside of the house, and is visible to me even from a distance.

I know the people within the house are waiting for me, and that I have been somewhere, doing HIS will / work, and that I traveled in a spiritual way, but arrived back in the van.

The love and light from the house are supernatural, the love I feel for them, and the love I perceive from them is not normal love.


Here is Dream # 4:

I am in a large room, with many people, I recognize one or two people, the room is full of people from many different places.

I am standing on a raised platform, that is approx 6-8 inches higher than the floor.

Then I know I am suppose to speak the following words; "Holy Spirit come"...

When I speak the words, God's presence comes very heavy, most fall down, some start to weep and convulse, others are crying for joy.








Im not a "churchian" so I dont get the point of your post (no offense) could you explain deeper?
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He said to me "Because there is a deception in the church that is very subtle, but is robbing the church of its power." I cried out "Lord, what can this deception be"

He replied "They have called the Bible the word of God, but that name has been given to the One who is from the beginning."

SEARCHING THE SCRIPTURES

As I started reading through Scripture it was obvious that Jesus was and is The Word of God. The word "THE" is singular, meaning there is only one.


LOGOS OR RHEMA

At Bible College I was taught that the logo was the written word and rhema the quickened word.

In John chapter 1 where the Bible so plainly describes Jesus as being The Word of God the Greek word for 'word' is logos.

There is not an instance in all Scripture where the Bible is called The Word (or word) of God.


JESUS - THE WORD OF GOD

There are many instances in the Bible where The Word of God or The Word of The Lord is mentioned.

A couple that spring to mind immediately are:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

And the Word became flesh (Jesus), and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth.

Rev 19:13 And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Heb 4:12 For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight, but all things are naked and opened to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

The Word of God is the name, identity, title and honor given to Jesus alone. This is who He is. To call anything else The Word (or word) of God takes this away from Him.

If the Bible is the word of God, then God is four, not three. Father, Son (who is the Word Jn 1:14), the Holy Spirit and the word (Bible).

Scripture tells us 1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.


THE BIBLE - THE WORDS OF GOD

There is no justification for calling the Bible the word of God.

People have said to me that: All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness and is therefore the word of God.

The Bible says differently:

Joh 3:34 For He whom God has sent speaks the Words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.

Rev 17:17 For God gave into their hearts to do His mind, and to act with one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast until the Words of God will be fulfilled.

Below is a Scripture that is a bit different. Rhema is used for "My Words" which indicates fresh revelation such as you would expect from a living relationship with Jesus. If you hear what He is saying to you and are led and motivated by Him He will do what you ask of Him.

Joh 15:7 If you abide in Me, and My Words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you.


THE DIFFERENCE

According to Scripture, the Bible contains the words (plural) of God. This does not in any way detract from the title of The Word of God that belongs to Jesus.

The trouble is that because we are so used to calling the Bible The word of God we automatically think of the Bible when the word of God is mentioned. This is scripturally incorrect. It is second nature for so many of us to think of the Bible as the word of God we often give it the place that Jesus should have. The result is that we become Bible dependent rather than Jesus dependent.

We live in accordance with the Scriptures, which is good, but it leads us to depend on the Scriptures rather than the experiential life we should have with Jesus.

Consider the following Scriptures:

Psa 119:105 Your Word is a lamp to my feet, and a light to my path.
Psalm 119:105 is interpreted by many as the Bible being the lamp.

In fact, Jesus is the One who knows the beginning and the end. He is the Lamp unto my feet.

There are numerous instances right throughout the Bible where the Word of God came to various people giving instruction etc. I can assure you it wasn't the Bible that did that!

Heb 4:12 For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I have heard many a sermon using this Scripture to justify calling the Bible the "Living Word". The Bible is however, unable to discern and I can assure you that it IS a book, inspired by God, made by man. Surely it is not hard to see this verse is talking about Jesus.

CONCLUSION

I have heard many good sermons, even excellent sermons, where the speaker has spoken of The Word of God, referring to the Bible. In every instance that I can recall, Jesus would have been glorified.



Scriptural Evidence the WORD OF GOD is not the Bible. by Jenny Duskey 1975

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

God created the heaven and the earth by speaking, and what he spoke, as his Spirit moved upon the face of the waters, was his Word.

John wrote later:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made."

All things were made by the Word. They were not made by the scriptures, which were not there in the beginning but were themselves written later by people.

Moses spoke of the Word of God when he said to the people of Israel:

"For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it.

Moses was not speaking of the scriptures, for even the Old Testament had not yet been compiled; he did not mean only the words he himself had just spoken, for he knew that he was soon to die. He did not even mean the tablets of the commandments kept in the ark, because stone tablets could not be in the hearts and mouths of the people.

Moses meant the eternal Word of God, through which all things were created, which had come to him on Mt. Sinai, and which he now said was in the hearts of all the people of Israel as he urged them to hear it and do it.

The Word of God, what God speaks, has come to people in various ways (Heb. 1:1). The Word which was with God in the beginning and by which all things were created, of which Moses spoke, is the same Word which God spoke to Abraham, telling him to leave his home, to the other patriarchs, and to all the prophets, who prophesied only by the Word.

John continues:

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." This same Word, which was with God from the beginning, which was made flesh in the person of Jesus Christ.

When he spoke his teaching was the Word of God in him, the good news of the Kingdom which God had sent him to proclaim and which he embodied.

When "the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God" it was to hear this message he preached, not just the scriptures, which they could hear read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

The seed which he was sowing and which his disciples are to sow and which will grow in the hearts of those who keep it is the Word of God.

Jesus does not use the phrase "word of God" to refer to the scriptures.

Usually, he says, "as it is written," Sometimes he says as it was "spoken of by the prophet". Sometimes he simply uses the word "scriptures"

When Jesus uses the phrase "word of God" to refer to something in the scriptures, it is clear from the context that he means the word God spoke to someone, not the entire collection of scriptures.

For example, when he accuses the Pharisees of "making the word of God of none effect" the word of God means the specific commandment God spoke to Moses: "Honor thy father and thy mother," which Jesus has just quoted. He does not mean that the entire body of the scriptures was spoken by God;

Jesus warned that the scriptures are not sufficient to assure the presence of God's Word:

It is said over and over in the New Testament that the Word of God lives in God's people . . . and the word of God abideth in you.

The Word of God which lives in Christ's followers is none other than Christ and his Spirit.

The word is said to have powers which clearly belong to Christ and his Spirit.

Paul says to the elders of the church at Ephesus, "And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. He goes on to say that the word of God is "the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints".

Later in the same letter Paul says "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom" (Col. 3:16).

The letter to the Hebrews says: "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

James writes of "the en-grafted word, which is able to save your souls".

Peter, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"

We are born again of the Spirit of Christ, not of the scriptures.
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there is no heaven or hell so just do what you want too everybody and mind your own dam beezwax.
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anal sex is widely practiced by heteros too

why is that you exclusively link it with homosexuality OP?
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Will we get to drink beer, smoke pot, and listen to loud rock music in heaven? If not, then I choose the alternative.
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Amen.
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Why are christians so worried about what other people are doing with their cocks and asses? Isn't there enough buttfucking going on in your churches to keep you busy?
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Its your choice decide now, either continue being homos and burn in the lake of fire for all eternity or repent and turn to Jesus Christ and live a moral and civilsed life.

Time is counting down...
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You do realize that those of us with a brain realize that you post shit like this because you have made a choice to deny your own homosexuality.

We also realize that you most likely masturbate to gay porn, which means, according to your religion, that you will spend an eternity burning hell.

So go on, keep projecting the hate you have for yourself onto others.
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Its your choice decide now, either continue being homos and burn in the lake of fire for all eternity or repent and turn to Jesus Christ and live a moral and civilsed life.

Time is counting down...
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Go butt fuck your bible, shithead.
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Wow, it seems God is really hung up on this issue.
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If homosexuals repent, does that mean they have to live a life of celibacy from that point onward?
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Jesus + 12 Disciples = Big Gay Sausagefest

I bet they were having endless gay orgies whilst swallowing Jesus's wine.

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Didn't Jesus wash other men's feet. For free. All the time.


What's up with Jesus' male foot fetish.
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roflllllllll
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Jesus + 12 Disciples = Big Gay Sausagefest

I bet they were having endless gay orgies whilst swallowing Jesus's wine.

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nah i think he was shagging mary
hes not one to repress his feelings. If he was gay hed tell ya

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