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CIA's Use of Scopolamine

 
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Mr X was a leader of one of the largest CIA-backed Contra groups. He recently testified before the US Senate Intelligence Committee. Formerly, X was a senior executive in a South American subsidiary of a leading US soft drinks corporation. During his Senate testimony, he denied any knowledge of CIA involvement in the narcotics trade, adding that condoning such activity would have been foreign to his way of life. Not so, says Tatum. Mr X had been recruited into the CIA by then-Director William Casey, with the assistance of Oliver North.

In 1990, when Nicaraguan leader Daniel Ortega announced there would be "free elections", X was ecstatic. He began jostling for position and asked President Bush to ensure he be given a prominent position in the new government - in return for his years of toil at the behest of the CIA and the Enterprise. The pressure came in a form that Bush could not ignore. Failure to help his friend would result in X's intimate knowledge of Bush's involvement in the dope trade being made public. His threat left Bush with a sour taste. A Pegasus team was assigned to "neutralise" him in early 1990.

Mr X, Tatum states, "fancied himself a lover of women. Tall, large-breasted blondes were his favourite. It was determined that, if effectively neutralised, [X] could be an asset. Therefore, it was decided that intimidation would be used to control [X]."

They chose to use the drug Scopolamine, which also went by the nickname "Burundanga" or "the Voodoo drug". The drug is extracted from the pods of a flowering shrub that grows in remote regions of South America. In its processed, powdered form, Scopolamine is "void of smell, void of taste". When properly administered "it causes absolute obedience" without this being "observable by others". Importantly, the target will not recall any of the events that occurred during the period they were under the spell of the drug.

In outlining these details, Tatum adds that it is important to administer the drug in the correct dosage, for he has known targets to die from too high a dose. Others have "remained under the influence of Burundanga for up to three weeks". Precise dosage can be achieved by liquid ingestion, the powder being readily soluble. Ingestion via cigarettes is also an optimum method of ingestion. It is fast-acting and takes no more than 20 minutes to work.

Tatum states that X was invited to spend a relaxing weekend at a luxury hotel as a guest of his friend George Bush. His host for the weekend was a trusted 18-year veteran field-intelligence officer. The evening started with cocktails and was followed by a fine meal. "'Nothing but the best' were the orders."

Following the meal, he was ushered into the suite of a "blonde bombshell" supplied by the CIA. Mr X had already ingested a dose of Burundanga during pre-dinner cocktails. X was gallant with the blonde as they both moved into the bedroom where video cameras were already set up in one corner. In short order, the blonde had X standing naked in front of her and began to indulge his desires. All the while, the video cameras whirred. Slowly stripping off, the "blonde" revealed his manhood in all its glory. Mr X was instructed to reciprocate the favour and perform fellatio. He obliged, his intimate activities recorded at 24 frames a second on videotape.

Tatum says the male prostitute was hired from a bar in New York and killed that same evening.

Two weeks later, X - wholly unaware of the events of that evening - was visited in Nicaragua. He was presented with a copy of the video footage, along with instructions. Tatum says that X can never allow that video to be seen: "Not only does it reveal his homosexuality, but it also reveals his bestiality and satanic worship rituals." As frame after frame flicked by, X reportedly wept, forced to watch himself kill his homosexual "lover" and then engage in the most grisly cannabalistic ritual imaginable.

Neutralised, Mr X became a leading member of the Nicaraguan government a few short weeks later...

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Odd there are more potent anticholinergics.
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if one is experienced in mediation and strong psychedelics could they be aware of their behavior?

Datura has been used in shamanistic ceremonies and has been able to heal under the right circumstances. Sure is an interesting alkaloid.
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Odd there are more potent anticholinergics.
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What would those be?
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This Scopolamine is some pretty wicked stuff.


NASA used it on the astronauts for "motion sickness"...
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Odd there are more potent anticholinergics.
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What would those be?
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Atropine, ipatropium (hard to get in large doses), sublingual hyoscyamine its scopolamines precursor and even a large dose of amanitia muscaria, if you can find.
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This Scopolamine is some pretty wicked stuff.


NASA used it on the astronauts for "motion sickness"...

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Commonly sold as Trans-derm scop patches for that reason.
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I do, here's some info from the biopsychiatry website:

"Most troubling for police is the way the drug acts on the brain. Since scopolamine completely blocks the formation of memories, unlike most date-rape drugs used in the United States and elsewhere, it is usually impossible for victims to ever identify their aggressors."
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if one is experienced in mediation and strong psychedelics could they be aware of their behavior?


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Not with Scopolamine. It blocks all memories from even being made. Even under hypnosis, the memories are not retrievable because they were never made and stored in the brain.

Scopolamine is truly EVIL shit...............

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"The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry"

“To live content with small means; to seek elegance rather than luxury, and refinement rather than fashion, to be worthy, not respectable, and wealthy, not rich; to study hard, think quietly, talk gently, act frankly, to listen to stars and birds, to babes and sages, with open heart, to bear all cheerfully, to all bravely await occasions, hurry never. In a word, to let the spiritual unbidden and unconscious grow up through the common. This is to be my symphony.”
.........William Henry Channing
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Odd there are more potent anticholinergics.
 Quoting: luridanimus


Anticholinergics? Are they similar to drugs like scopolamine?
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"""I remember buying a semi auto .38 once and it took me 20 minutes to figure out how to load it and fire it, and THAT is after having MAJOR experience with long rifles."""

what a load of complete crap.

what .38 semi auto would that be? you mean a .380 auto or a .38 revolver? get your facts straight. sheesh.

20 mins, even after having MAJOR experience with a rifle....utter bullshit.

total disinformation.
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"""I remember buying a semi auto .38 once and it took me 20 minutes to figure out how to load it and fire it, and THAT is after having MAJOR experience with long rifles."""

what a load of complete crap.

what .38 semi auto would that be? you mean a .380 auto or a .38 revolver? get your facts straight. sheesh.

20 mins, even after having MAJOR experience with a rifle....utter bullshit.

total disinformation.
 Quoting: krinkfan


shill
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"The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry"

“To live content with small means; to seek elegance rather than luxury, and refinement rather than fashion, to be worthy, not respectable, and wealthy, not rich; to study hard, think quietly, talk gently, act frankly, to listen to stars and birds, to babes and sages, with open heart, to bear all cheerfully, to all bravely await occasions, hurry never. In a word, to let the spiritual unbidden and unconscious grow up through the common. This is to be my symphony.”
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Well, that's PAR for the course.

The Scopolamine story sound pretty close to how they operate.

The Holmes story sound pretty believable too.

The parallels between Holmes and the Sirhan RFK story are strange.

The way the Malignant Media is projecting their spin on this is virtual proof positive this is some sort of Psy-Op.
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Odd there are more potent anticholinergics.
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But not more amnestic....fine line....balance amnesia and awake....yes atropine is more potent cousin but NOT an amnestic!!!
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Odd there are more potent anticholinergics.
 Quoting: luridanimus


Anticholinergics? Are they similar to drugs like scopolamine?
 Quoting: INK3


Basically it blocks acetylcholine, part of your autonomic nervous system. Kinda separates the body from the mind. Why you either hallucinate or act like a zombie on to much of the stuff.
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"""I remember buying a semi auto .38 once and it took me 20 minutes to figure out how to load it and fire it, and THAT is after having MAJOR experience with long rifles."""

what a load of complete crap.

what .38 semi auto would that be? you mean a .380 auto or a .38 revolver? get your facts straight. sheesh.

20 mins, even after having MAJOR experience with a rifle....utter bullshit.

total disinformation.
 Quoting: krinkfan


shill
 Quoting: (:-DeeZe



not a shill man.

just calling BS on something that stinks. the rest of the story sounds goon'nuf but his "experience" on guns reeks of BS. no one's that incompetent, if they've had major experience with rifles.
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Odd there are more potent anticholinergics.
 Quoting: luridanimus


But not more amnestic....fine line....balance amnesia and awake....yes atropine is more potent cousin but NOT an amnestic!!!
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Tell that to someone who gets a shot of atropine in the heart when they are tachycardic.

I imagine scopolamine would offer better recreational usage than atropine or ipratroprium.
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What is wild is that atropine, scopolamine, hyosyamine and belladonna all come from "Nightshades", same family as potatoe and tomato.
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[link to psych.colorado.edu]

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Used at Universities, constantly.
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Here's a good video documentary about this drug:

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Odd there are more potent anticholinergics.
 Quoting: luridanimus


Anticholinergics? Are they similar to drugs like scopolamine?
 Quoting: INK3


Basically it blocks acetylcholine, part of your autonomic nervous system. Kinda separates the body from the mind. Why you either hallucinate or act like a zombie on to much of the stuff.
 Quoting: luridanimus


Thanks, didn't know that.
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"""I remember buying a semi auto .38 once and it took me 20 minutes to figure out how to load it and fire it, and THAT is after having MAJOR experience with long rifles."""

what a load of complete crap.

what .38 semi auto would that be? you mean a .380 auto or a .38 revolver? get your facts straight. sheesh.

20 mins, even after having MAJOR experience with a rifle....utter bullshit.

total disinformation.
 Quoting: krinkfan


agree
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sooo.... this drug then, I could get the wife to do anything?
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sooo.... this drug then, I could get the wife to do anything?
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It has that potential, but VERY dangerous.
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Yep, I think this is close enough to the mark. That sounds like the guys that do this stuff.
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Brugmansia, Datura, Deadly Nightshade and Tobacco are some relatively attractive plants.
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Its found in belladonna, datura, jimson weed... It was more likely used in Miamis face attack than the 6 month plan developed by the kid in aurora.
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Mr X was a leader of one of the largest CIA-backed Contra groups. He recently testified before the US Senate Intelligence Committee. Formerly, X was a senior executive in a South American subsidiary of a leading US soft drinks corporation. During his Senate testimony, he denied any knowledge of CIA involvement in the narcotics trade, adding that condoning such activity would have been foreign to his way of life. Not so, says Tatum. Mr X had been recruited into the CIA by then-Director William Casey, with the assistance of Oliver North.

In 1990, when Nicaraguan leader Daniel Ortega announced there would be "free elections", X was ecstatic. He began jostling for position and asked President Bush to ensure he be given a prominent position in the new government - in return for his years of toil at the behest of the CIA and the Enterprise. The pressure came in a form that Bush could not ignore. Failure to help his friend would result in X's intimate knowledge of Bush's involvement in the dope trade being made public. His threat left Bush with a sour taste. A Pegasus team was assigned to "neutralise" him in early 1990.

Mr X, Tatum states, "fancied himself a lover of women. Tall, large-breasted blondes were his favourite. It was determined that, if effectively neutralised, [X] could be an asset. Therefore, it was decided that intimidation would be used to control [X]."

They chose to use the drug Scopolamine, which also went by the nickname "Burundanga" or "the Voodoo drug". The drug is extracted from the pods of a flowering shrub that grows in remote regions of South America. In its processed, powdered form, Scopolamine is "void of smell, void of taste". When properly administered "it causes absolute obedience" without this being "observable by others". Importantly, the target will not recall any of the events that occurred during the period they were under the spell of the drug.

In outlining these details, Tatum adds that it is important to administer the drug in the correct dosage, for he has known targets to die from too high a dose. Others have "remained under the influence of Burundanga for up to three weeks". Precise dosage can be achieved by liquid ingestion, the powder being readily soluble. Ingestion via cigarettes is also an optimum method of ingestion. It is fast-acting and takes no more than 20 minutes to work.

Tatum states that X was invited to spend a relaxing weekend at a luxury hotel as a guest of his friend George Bush. His host for the weekend was a trusted 18-year veteran field-intelligence officer. The evening started with cocktails and was followed by a fine meal. "'Nothing but the best' were the orders."

Following the meal, he was ushered into the suite of a "blonde bombshell" supplied by the CIA. Mr X had already ingested a dose of Burundanga during pre-dinner cocktails. X was gallant with the blonde as they both moved into the bedroom where video cameras were already set up in one corner. In short order, the blonde had X standing naked in front of her and began to indulge his desires. All the while, the video cameras whirred. Slowly stripping off, the "blonde" revealed his manhood in all its glory. Mr X was instructed to reciprocate the favour and perform fellatio. He obliged, his intimate activities recorded at 24 frames a second on videotape.

Tatum says the male prostitute was hired from a bar in New York and killed that same evening.

Two weeks later, X - wholly unaware of the events of that evening - was visited in Nicaragua. He was presented with a copy of the video footage, along with instructions. Tatum says that X can never allow that video to be seen: "Not only does it reveal his homosexuality, but it also reveals his bestiality and satanic worship rituals." As frame after frame flicked by, X reportedly wept, forced to watch himself kill his homosexual "lover" and then engage in the most grisly cannabalistic ritual imaginable.

Neutralised, Mr X became a leading member of the Nicaraguan government a few short weeks later...

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