Is Lucifer Jesus? Shocking Truth Revealed!

Actually, the opposite, a truth tellers convention.

Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 08/03/2012 03:09 PM

How come Lucifer is the morning star of the Old Testament and Jesus is the morning star of the New Testament? Please explain that one.

I have had this thought in my head like a pin prick bugging me. I always have that voice inside me telling that EVERYTHING is upside down...now i see this posted and you put my thoughts into words thank you.

the original language of the first several books of the bible was not hebrew. that language did not exist when those stories first came out of sumaria... nor were the New Testament books written in hebrew...

didn't say lucifer is the same
that he is known as satan is correct
that they are one and same,
is mixed mythology

because there has been a long deliberate effort to confuse the issue, and fool the mystery schools to believe something that is not true. its not complicated.

i always wonder how the devil had many different names in the bible,and i was answered that question by a book i found,this book was old and it was about how to

(1)raise the dead

(2)float on a cloud

(3)swim under water and not need to breathe


(4)destroy buildings with a trumpet only

(5)find hidden treasure(only if un-protected by magic)

(6)run for days and not get tired

There was other things one could do but i forget them,according to this book all these things were possible,but one had to summon up demons and Angels,anyway in the back of this book was how demons are ranked............i.e i seen they are ranked like an army is ,i.e satan has power over 100,000 demons lucifer has power over 50,000 demons,i remember seeing "gog and magog has power over 10,000 demons,and then i understood why all the diff names for devil,its a ranking thing,i had to get rid of book cause i started to read it and i would notice black shadow figures movin about in the corner of my eye,the guttin thing is i just know that book has got to be worth a lot of money
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also OP try not to get "Morning star" and "son of the morning" mixxed up
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i think jesus and lucifer is the same soul but with two personalities . He is the day and the night cut by the sun ... i don't know ... there are too much theories about them and i don't want to believe them until i see the truth . I can't believe in something if i don't see / feel it . I believe in god because i feel him sometimes . I feel that he is with me and he punished the ppl who made me bad things ...

You are wrong - Jesus is the bright and morning star.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


Lucifer is the son of the morning, NOT the same thing at all.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


Try looking it up instead of reading a web page and accepting as truth.

When will this make-believe stop?

but how can jesus give us immortality when a truth Satan follower believe in immortality ?
with that quote you just said that Jesus is Lucifer

Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you.

For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.

And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.



Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.

Split a piece of wood; I am there.

Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."



Jesus said, "Show me the stone that the builders rejected: that is the keystone."

Matthew chapter12,verse25-28

25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

In revelation 1:20 the mystery of the seven stars you see in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this:the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches,and the seven lampstands are the churches....Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy...So we see the seven angels known as stars which fits perfectly with the morning stars who are the 7 highest angels,while Yahshua is the bright morning star..The best example to compare Yahshua to is like the sun who gives light to the stars/planets.

Bread of Life Gospel of John 6:48-58


48. “I am that bread of life.

49. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die

51. I am the living bread, which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52. The jewish people therefore strove among themselves, saying, how can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

(This is a very good question, an obvious hint to the wise that no man is speaking, and an excellent distraction to the unwary by maintaining the illusion of reality being narrated.)

53. “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

55. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.”

58. “This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live forever.”

Greetings Horus,

I could be wrong but I doubt whether Lucifer was Azazel.

If I remember correctly Lucifer is equated to the angel Satanael but refused to bow to man (who was created in the image of God) when angel Michael instructed him to. Satanael fomented an uprising against God with 33% of the angels in heaven with the aim of a coup d'etat. There was a war in heaven but Michael won and Satanael and all his followers were cast down to earth. I guess Satanael was the original "walking dude" lol

Angel Azazel (with the help of Satanael) on the other hand was the guy who convinced Eve to have sex with him in the garden of eden / new earth. Satanael posessed Azazel and through Azazel Satanael got Eve to sin. Eve became pregnant by both Azazel's and Adam's seed and gave birth to Cain and Able. Cain is of Azazel's bloodline and Able was of Adam's bloodline. Adam and Eve were cast down to earth due to their sins. Cain killed Able but luckily Eve became pregnant again by Adam and had another son.

Azazel told God that angels were superior to man and if they were given a chance he would prove that they will not sin. If he could prove that they will be good with God and if they did in fact sin they will forfeit their souls to everlasting hell.

God obliged and gave Azazel and 199 of his followers human form and send them down to earth to watch over man as a test. I understand that they were tasked to protect man on earth - be a sentry or lookout of sorts. To keep man safe.

When they "landed" on earth they saw how beautiful the daughters of Cain were and decided between themselves to take wives from these daughters (of men). Remember all angels are male. Not only did they knock up these daughters of man with their seed but they also taught man prohibited knowledge (warcraft, witchcraft, etc.)

Well to make the story short God found out about all these sins - and remember he had a deal with Azazel. As punishment he cast Azazel and his troop (with their human wives) underneath the earth and sealed the opening (Agartha??? lol). He then sent a flood over earth to clear up the crossbreed offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of man. Some people believed that some of this crossbreed bloodline (Cain) survived via one of Noah's sons wives.

Satanael and his group, Azazel and his group and man is now awaiting the final day of judgment of God where all will be judged on their works. They say this day is soooooon lol

Oh, it is believed that Satanael and Azazel is still "contacted" by their crossbreed offspring and are thus able to instructing their "children" how to proceed to create a Golden Age, bring heaven to earth.

Could it be that "scientists" discovered a long dead descendant of Azazel and harvested some of this DNA? Perhaps they used eugenics / cloning to bring this DNA to life if a lab somewhere? The problem is that there will not be a birth certificate? Hahaha... Damn conspiracy theorists! ROFL

I wonder who will step up as the capstone of the pyramid??? LOL

The Bible was not ever messed up with???

A book that is pushed over most of humanity, don't you think it's all about mind-control?

I think the problem why people differ on Jesus Christ is that there where 2 Jesuses mentioned in the bible.

One is the true Jesus and one is the false Jesus. Which Jesus is which???

Perhaps somebody here did some research into this and have more information they can share?

I would love to find out more about this.

Oh now I get it.

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

It is my pleasure and I AM glad to be of service to you.

Lucifer's star is the same as Jesus. Hence, same star, 2 different allegorical names and NO Satan is NOT Lucifer unless you are calling Jesus Satan?

this is histor. *cough* mythology and religion.

The reference to Lucifer in Isaiah 14 and similarly to the King of Tyre in Ezekiel 28 are really references to Satan, fallen cherub and arch-enemy of the Most High God, Yahweh.

Isaiah 14:

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Ezekiel 28:

11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God ; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God : and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.


Luke 10:

18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."


Revelations 12:

7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,
8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them[a] in heaven any longer.
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Revelations 20:

2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

Last Edited by Thunder Crack on 08/03/2012 04:53 PM

You're mistaken, OP.

Lucifer is O morning star, - son of the dawn

The Hebrew word heylel (hay-lale', Strong's #1966), in Latin is translated as "Lucifer" which means "shining one", "morning star", "light bearer", etc. Isaiah 14:12

Revelation 22:16 - "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

The NIV perverts Jesus Christ into Lucifer!

Isaiah 14:14 reveals Satan's grandest desire, "I will be like the most High." And with a little subtil perversion - the NIV in Isaiah 14:12 grants Satan's wish!

ISAIAH 14:12: The KJB reads, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, son of the morning!. . ." The NIV PERversion reads, "How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR, son of the dawn. . ." The NIV change "Lucifer" to "MORNING STAR".

BUT WAIT. . . I thought the Lord Jesus Christ was the MORNING STAR?

Doesn't Revelation 22:16 say, "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and MORNING STAR".

The NIV CLEARY AND BLATANTLY makes LUCIFER -- The Lord Jesus Christ! WHAT BLASPHEMY! WHAT PERVERSION! And Christians claim the NIV is a "better translation"!

ISAIAH 14:15: The King James Bible condemns Lucifer to hell: "Yet thou shalt be brought down to HELL . . ." The NIV does NOT condemn Lucifer to HELL! The NIV reads, "But you are brought down to the GRAVE. . ." We all go to the GRAVE! Why doesn't the NIV want Satan in hell?

[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]

It is about many, many divine truths and love, but yes, mind control would be one of them. However, it was at a time when man was pretty violent, ruthless. Sometimes the ends justifies the means.

Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 08/03/2012 05:08 PM

WHO GIVES A SHIT.I AM SICK AND TIRED OF DISINFORMATION.WHEN WILL IT STOP.THERE IS NO SHOCKING TRUTH.BUT THERE IS A TRUTH SHOCKER.STOP IT I SAY.

What do you mean 2 people named Jesus? Please explain..

Those that are ready to know, will know.