Is Lucifer Jesus? Shocking Truth Revealed!

I know this.

But it does not make the Bible TRUE.

Why is it that you don't post the rest of the verse?


Is it because it would be to damaging to your intent of fooling people into believing this nonsense?

Here's the rest:

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

And the rest..
You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.c
14I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
15But you are brought down to the grave,
to the depths of the pit.
16Those who see you stare at you,
they ponder your fate:
“Is this the man who shook the earth
and made kingdoms tremble,
17the man who made the world a desert,
who overthrew its cities
and would not let his captives go home?”
8All the kings of the nations lie in state,
each in his own tomb.
19But you are cast out of your tomb
like a rejected branch;
you are covered with the slain,
with those pierced by the sword,
those who descend to the stones of the pit.



Revelation 12
"The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him."
Revelation 12 also:
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!

So here we see that both Lucifer and Satan have very similar characteristics which you could easily interchange the names between revelation and isaiah and one would still come to the same conclusion of these two names being the same entity.

And you're right, the Bible never says that Lucifer and Satan are one in the same, but it also never says that Christ and Lucifer are one in the same either. You taking this position that everyone else needs to educate themselves as if you have more knowledge than them is very heady and high minded don't you think? Especially when the characteristics between Lucifer and Satan are almost identical when neither Lucifer nor Satan have anything similar to that of Christ by wording of the Bible. It's much more believable that Satan/Lucifer is that of the same entity rather than Lucifer/Christ when the Bible says nothing of the sort.

Yeah right says who? Is Lucifer really who mason's worship? I have nothing against mason's nor any secret society, but if this is who they worship I find it very perplexing. I know a lot of Christians that are masons and this seems very contradicting. You might have some "secret" knowledge, but by using the Bible alone what you're saying is just not there. I know the verses that you use to make this claim and it is simply not there. And if you're using another book to justify the connection between Christ and Lucifer then where does that knowledge come from? Certainly not the Bible and if it don't come from the Bible which is the source of the name Lucifer then how can you believe these authors over those that were "inspired by God?"

You guys' arrogance is actually quite amusing. Acting as if everyone else is so dumb and you are the only "enlightened" ones. Ha...

I provided more evidence in my previous posts than you did for making that case that Lucifer/Christ are one in the same.

Your arrogance is disheartening and certainly not more inline with that of Satan/Lucifer than what Christ taught about humility. Lucifer displayed the same arrogance when he says " I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." Lucifer is certainly not Christ and even if he and Satan are not one in the same it appears that he is just like "his" father with all that pride and arrogance..

Mary was Cleoptra, his father Julius and Foster Father Joseph.

Why would it be much more believable that Satan/Lucifer is that of the same entity rather than Lucifer/Christ when there is no connection in the bible to Satan/Lucifer but there is with Lucifer/Christ?

The New Testament is an extension or should I say Part Deux of the Old Testament. Hence, the New Testament incorporated the the Old Testament into its pages, but was a new book with some new passages, chapters and characters because this was when the Celtic Druids had joined Rome to form the Universal Church that today we know as the Catholic Church.

I AM not a Freemason, but here is a clue from a 33rd degree Freemason in a book he wrote well over 100 years ago. Maybe you should read it?

Albert Pike, Eminent and Influential 33rd Degree Freemason.

"We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine... Yes, Lucifer is God... The true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer... The Ancient Astronomers saw all the great Symbols of Masonry in the Stars. Sirius still glitters in our Lodges as the Blazing Star... He was Sirius or the Dog-Star, the friend and counselor of Osiris, and the inventor of language, grammar, astronomy, surveying, arithmetic, music, and medical science; the first maker of laws; and who taught the worship of the Gods, and the building of temples..." -

I provided all the evidence that is needed because it is simple and clear cut. What I AM saying is that Lucifer/Christ represent the same 'meaning' and thus mean the same thing. This isn't about pride, but truth.

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There is no Biblical authority to claims that Lucifer and Satan are names for the same being.

In Revelation, Jesus referred to himself as the bright and morning star (Rev 22:16). In 1263 Pope Clement V commissioned the Franciscan monk, Roger Bacon, to investigate apparent problems arising from this translation. Bacon discovered papers by Jerome where, on his deathbed, the latter recanted the Latin Vulgate translation due to errors caused by haste. Jerome particularly singled out the Isaian translations. Bacon’s report that "Lucifer" was the Messiah and not the devil earned him incarceration until he recanted. [1]

1. Roger Bacon (1214? - 1294), The Opus Majus of Roger Bacon, "Causes of Error", Ch. VI. trans. Robert Belle Burke. H. Milford, Oxford University Press, London: 1928. 2v. based on the corrected text of Bridges' edition, London, 1900

I've seen that quote before on glp if I remember right, but if what he says is true and you say they are essentially one and the same then why not worship Christ rather than lucifer?

I take what he is saying as lucifer is the god of this world and all that comes with it, but certainly not the Creator.

Aside from that, as you said the Bible only mentions lucifer that one time so how is that enough evidence to claim he is God or simply an entity that deserves any kind of worship?

As the scripture read he's obviously full of pride to make the statement that he will ascend above the stars of God. That statement right there would imply that he is not God, but wants His dominion. I'm not ignorant, but I just ain't seeing it. I don't believe you are either which is why I think you have other books or other literature that speaks more on the name lucifer.

If Jesus is God then why would he say in Isaiah that he will ascend above the stars of God and be like the most high? Jesus also never had the kind of pride that this lucifer entity had. I in no way believe they are one and the same nor do I believe you can get all of that out of two very different scriptures. Which is why I believe you guys are getting your information else where.

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In Isaiah 14 the prophet is taunting the king of Babylon: "In the figurative language of the Hebrews, . . . a star, signifies an illustrious king or prince . . . The monarch here referred to, having surpassed all other kings in royal splendour, is compared to the harbinger of day, whose brilliancy surpasses that of the surrounding stars" (A Cyclopedia of Biblical Literature, John Kitto ed., 3rd ed., J. B. Lippincott and Co, Philadelphia, 1866, 2:857-8). There are those who claim that the real entity addressed in this passage is Satan, but there is no evidence for this. On the contrary, Isaiah (14:16) says: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, . . . ?" and (14:18) "All the kings of the nations lie in glory, each in his own tomb; but you are cast out . . ." These seem clear references to a man, the king of a nation, not an archangel.

I've seen this before from Apolllo is that you lol? Anyway if this is the case and lucifer is a man then why put him on a pedestal by comparing him to the most high God? Your previous two statements seem to contradict. Anyway does this not make sense? If lucifer is a man then why do people claim he is god? Either way, this entity man, angel, or whatever is full of pride as can be seen by Isaiah's statement of him. Also if he is a man then referring to him as the morning star is obviously not the same as Christ the morning star. No matter how you wrap it Christ and lucifer are in no way the same entity. This coming from the bible of course which is why I believe you guys are reading other sources on lucifer other than the bible. What those sources are I know not.

Cleopatra wasn't Mary, Mary was Hebrew. You wasn't saying anything about this back on the baphomet thread, I asked you when did you get on this kick and you didn't answer me. I posted here in February about Caesar being Ra, when did you start talking about it? And where did you get your info from? I got mine from my friend he was the 4th incarnation of Mars the God of War, his previous incarnates were Osiris, King Tut, and Iratiquis son of Julius Caesar.


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You should consider joining a lodge, a lot of open-minded individuals there who would enjoy your company and conversation.

That's why I joined, I got tired of talking to people who didn't understand, or just didn't care.

BTW - don't even bother responding to the chick that uses that STUPID avatar in everyone on her posts'. She's ignorant and adds nothing positive to any conversation.

All I can add to this discussion is that Lucifer could very well be Jesus. Considering that the God in the bible is a jealous, vindictive, and conniving entity.

I'm over the KVJ Bible and have moved to the Torah as my book of faith.

I'm glad you made that correlation that both Lucifer AND Jesus are both referred as the morning star, or bringer of light.

5*'s, plus karma brother.

NOBODY CAN GIVE YOU IMMORTALITY BUT YOURSELF. This is an incredibly dumb thread, people you have a world falling down around you, where are YOUR MINDS?????? what keeps you in your "hell" is your lack of use of them. Yea are fools.

WHO THE FUCK CARES.. You have a world falling down around you, don't you think your MINDS should be where the problems ARE? IT DOESN"Y matter at all if Mary was "hebrew" or not, because the soul is what is of God and not what race or culture or religion one is born in, during EACH LIFE. YOU HAVE BEEN THEM ALL. This is the important life, and this is the important world at this time. YOU ARGUE OVER STUPID OLD SHIT TO WHAT AVAIL????

OP WHEN IT GETS THOUGH, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BE WITH THIS OLD ROT. TO WHAT PURPOSE WILL IT SERVE YOU
? AND WHY THAT SATANIC CROSS????? WHat is wrong with you people? Your brothers and sisters of this world suffer and this is all YOU CAN CONCEPT TO DO WITH YOUR MINDS? THIS THREAD IS EVIL.

the Gematria of Moshiach(Messiah) and Nachash(Serpent) are the same.

Why is your mind here posting on this tread, shouldn't it be where the problem is at, the world is falling down around you. You should be so busy where the problem is at you shouldn't have time to post on this stupid thread where people argue over stupid shit to no avail.

You don't have a soul, you can't do anything about the world falling down around you.



I hear you are singing a song of the past
I see no tears
I know that you know it may be the last
For many years
You'd gamble or give anything
To be in with the better half
But how many friends must I have
To begin with to make you laugh

[Chorus]
Will you still have a song to sing
When the razor boy comes
And take your fancy things away
Will you still be singing it
On that cold and windy day

You know that the coming is so close at hand
You feel all right
I guess only women in cages can stand
This kind of night
I guess only women in cages
Can play down
The things they lose
You think no tomorrow will come
When you lay down
You can't refuse

This is interesting and thank you very much for this information.

The meaning of Augustus is Majestic or VenerAble. He is the Lion of Judah who under the worship of his Father, Julius Caesar was placed amongst the Hero Gods, and given the title "Divus Iulius" (Julius is God) by decree of the Roman Senate on 1 January 42 BC.This is when the true line of Royal Roman Gods began. After the death of his father, when Octavian Caesar came to power, he became known as Divi Filius, The Son of God, who we would later in about the year 27 B.c., would change his name from Octavius to Augustus, meaning "consecrated to God."

This venerable Roman religious title was given to him as he was also proclaimed the "morning star" or Lucifer after the brightest star of the universe because he had ushered in the light of a new age. Who we know as Heylel, the shining one or morning star of the Old Testament would now become the "spirit" of Augustus in the New Testament under the new law as the Son of God, he was the Morning Star (Son of Venus and Venus the Mother" of the Julian clan) of the new sixth age.

Now, hopefully I do not go to prison like Bacon for honoring the light and truth.

John 8:32 -Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

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I AM not Albert Pike, but If I was to analyze what he is saying here in my own simple terms, I would say that the brotherhood had a secret doctrine that was kept hidden (hidden hand) from the masses that Mr. Pike was revealing to us in his quote above.

It is very clear that Lucifer means the 'shining one and morning star' and that in the Old Testament that name was the Hebrew word & in Isaiah 14:12. This word, transliterated hêl'el or heylel in the Hebrew Bible. It was AFTER this FIRST hêl'el or heylel, did we then get our new morning star, the later formed language of Latin where we get Lucifer who is called the morning star.

Jesus ALSO calls himself, the BRIGHT MORNING STAR.



He is not a real star. His name is not even Lucifer, but Jesus and he as the SPIRIT of the morning star which can be called in Hebrew hêl'el or heylel, in Latin, Lucifer, in the New Testament, Jesus Christ. Albert Pike was simply honoring the Latin version of the SPIRIT of the morning star.

PS - All capital words are for emphasis and not shouting. My hopes are to point out the simplicity of it all.

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I have watched many of these videos and have read many "theories" but they are all wrong. They make something so simple seem like rocket science. Wait a second, are these people actually Anti Christs since they are False Peters (Interpreters) of the Bible because they do no have the DNA or family rites to be lawful Peters (Interpreters).

Hence, this is our 2,000 year old problem with 2,000 years of unlawful Peters (Interpreters), AKA heretics spewing false teachings on the word of the Lord.

Thanks so much Brother Archaic Mason. That means a lot to me coming from an initiated Freemason to me, a an uninitiated Freemason. Unfortunately, I cannot join a Lodge because of my previous run ins with the law that were real serious. I have tried to join even, but to no avail.

Maybe this all happened for the better since I can speak freely not being a Freemason, as opposed to having an Oath of silence. My ancestors wish for me to speak the truth and that is what I AM doing.

I plan to do more extensive article and a video on this soon. So, please stay tuned.

FIAT LUX!

Jesus is Augustus/Cesarion who is the son of God, Julius and the bright morning star, aka, Lucifer. His Foster Father is Josephus and mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary who is Cleopatra, the sister to Josephus. Cleopatra and Josephus married to make this East and West union legal (Double Eagle) and Augustus/Cesarion (Jesus) the legitimate son of God in both Rome and Egypt unifying both empires.

This venerable Roman religious title was given to him as he was also proclaimed the "morning star" or Lucifer after the brightest star of the universe because he had ushered in the light of a new age. Who we know as Heylel, the shining one or morning star of the Old Testament would now become the "spirit" of Augustus in the New Testament under the new law as the Son of God, he was the Morning Star (Son of Venus and Venus the Mother" of the Julian clan) of the new sixth age.

It wasn't until later under the Roman Emperor Constantine I or Saint Constantine that in order to bring both religious and political unity to the empire, the cult worship of "Divus Iulius" morphed into the deification story of Jesus at the Council of Nicea in 325 C.E.

The poet Lucan:—

"Vos quoque, qui cundis innoxia numina terris
Serpiris, aurato nitidi fulgore Dracones" }

"Ye Serpents too, who, gay with golden bands,
Crawl, harmless gods, in all earth's many lands" .

it is both that is within us.
Both are to be reconciled.

Alot of the stuff he told me is not in the history books, he got his info from the spiritual realm. When I say spiritual realm I don't mean this galactic federation of light, pleiadian, akashic records bullshit.

There is no info on Iratiquis son of Julius Caesar, Iratiquis taught Merlin the magician. Only info is the smashing pumpkins did a seance with Dracula, he told them about Iratiquis but they thought he was saying "a rat in a cage".



The world is a vampire, sent to drain
Secret destroyers, hold you up to the flames
And what do I get, for my pain?
Betrayed desires, and a piece of the game
Even though I know -- I suppose I'll show
All my cool and cold-like old job
Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage
Then someone will say what is lost can never be saved
Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage
Now I'm naked, nothing but an animal
But can you fake it, for just one more show
And what do you want, I want to change
And what have you got
When you feel the same
Even though I know--I suppose I'll show
All my cool and cold--like old job
Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage

Then someone will say what is lost can never be saved
Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage
Tell me I'm the only one
Tell me there's no other one
Jesus was an only son
Tell me I'm the chosen one
Jesus was an only son for you
Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage
And I still believe that I cannot be saved