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House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution!

 
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The last time when they ended the independent council law, we soon ended up with a fraudulent election and a bush for yet another creepy republican president.

Sounds like the fix is in again...
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The House of Representatives is set to consider legislation Tuesday that would exempt certain presidential appointees from having to be confirmed by the Senate.

UPDATE: The House passed the legislation Tuesday night by a vote of 261-116. The bill now goes to President Obama’s desk for his signature.

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[link to libertycrier.com]


By a vote of 261-116, the House of Representatives passed a bill rewriting Article II of the Constitution and divesting the Senate of the power to accept or reject the appointment of many presidential nominees.

Last year, the Senate passed the measure by a vote of 79-20, so it now goes to the desk of President Obama for his signature.

"Important positions will be filled faster, government agencies will be more capable of offering valuable services to their constituents, and the overall confirmation process will be more efficient,” said Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.), chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

Dozens of key management positions in the Departments of Agriculture, Defense, Commerce, and Homeland Security (including the treasurer of the United States, the deputy administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, the director of the Office for Domestic Preparedness, and the assistant administrator of FEMA) will now be filled by presidential edict, without the need of the “advice and consent” of the Senate, a phrase specifically removed from the process in the text of the bill.

Although the House vote occurred on Tuesday, the Senate voted to surrender its constitutional check on the executive over a year ago on June 29, 2011.

Despite a last-minute attempt by some House leaders to put the measure to a voice vote, thus allowing members to vote in favor of the legislation without being listed on the record, a roll call vote was taken, and the name of every congressman who voted to unconstitutionally neuter the legislative branch is listed.

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FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 537

S 679 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 31-Jul-2012 7:06 PM
QUESTION: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass
BILL TITLE: To reduce the number of executive positions subject to Senate confirmation

[link to clerk.house.gov]




XML U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 112th Congress - 1st Session

Vote Counts: YEAs 79
NAYs 20
Not Voting 1


[link to www.senate.gov]
 Quoting: Laura Bow



I see 80% of the House of Representatives is a band of corrupt and traitors to the people and the American constitution.
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At what point does this go from sad to hilarious?
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At what point does this go from sad to hilarious?
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We're already there. What comes next is the question
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What does it matter?

If the House actually represented the people, would we have had bank bailouts?
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That.....

They don't work for the people. The government is it's own entity and doesn't need our consent or permission to make decisions.

Once everybody started turning to the government to fix their problems, we lost.

Now if something goes wrong, you ask the president to fix it.


Build your house next to the river, and it it floods...ask the government to help you.

Government, ridding people of personal responsibility since 1962.
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Govt can represent the people views on laws without fixing everything. If Americans had voted the banks would have been fixing their own damn problems.
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Actually the people nor the government have a say in this matter. The Government does not have the authority from the Constitution, which must be abide by all people, to bail out any business. Government was not meant to interfere with business in any way. Only make sure trade was kept regular and not hindered in anyway, the true meaning of the commerce clause.

No one gets bailed out.
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can someone put this into english for me?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12666735
Dozens of key management positions in the Departments of Agriculture, Defense, Commerce, and Homeland Security (including the treasurer of the United States, the deputy administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, the director of the Office for Domestic Preparedness, and the assistant administrator of FEMA) will now be filled by presidential edict, without the need of the “advice and consent” of the Senate, a phrase specifically removed from the process in the text of the bill.
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They always have more than 1 agenda. The admin. branch can now use these jobs as a way to buy people off and repay political favors, the ones mentioned here are high paying positions with lots of cushy benefits.
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The whole operation of regulation and oversight will be 'heck of a job Brownie!'
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I think I recall WAAAAY too much time wasted on Senate confirmations of these positions. Lawmakers SHOULD have been busy doing other things, sadly, they spent MONTHS wasting time on this bullshit. Presidents should be able to appoint anyone they deem fit for the position. It's the privelage of the POTUS.
Where are all your precious Tea Party representatives that were going to clean up Washington DC?
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Another step toward dictatorship
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Although I think it was supposed to be well meaning, this scares the shit out of me. Nothing like fucking a country over without accounting for yourself u der the guise of leadership.

We are so fucked.
Oregon Constitution Article I, Section 27

The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power.
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A bill past by congress can't nulify the Constitution. This will end up in the Supreme Court. Hopefully the court will have pulled their heads out of their asses by then. If not, this is one one more step toward the revolution to reinstate the Constitutional government.
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Who are we supposed to count on, "It's a tax" Roberts?
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All 3 branches need to be purged of the corruption. Trials, shame and the loss of everything they own.
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A bill past by congress can't nulify the Constitution. This will end up in the Supreme Court. Hopefully the court will have pulled their heads out of their asses by then. If not, this is one one more step toward the revolution to reinstate the Constitutional government.
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Who are we supposed to count on, "It's a tax" Roberts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21200819


All 3 branches need to be purged of the corruption. Trials, shame and the loss of everything they own.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17851333


agreed. I have seen for quite some time that revolution is going to be the only way to stop the NWO, but damn, everytime a grassroots movement starts like OWS or like the Anahiem riots... the idiot Fox News watchers believe the propaganda that they are "socialists" or "gang members"...

Wake the fuck up America. Quit demonizing the movements that are trying to set us free. Do you really think that Fox News and Bill O'Riely are not mouthpeices of the government?

It's funny, people get mad because the media lies all of the time, but yet they believe the media atALL of the WRONG times...



Come on.
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

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Another step toward dictatorship
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20737636


Bingo, we have a winner. Regardless of party. This government was set up with checks and balances between the three branches of government. The Senate under that fool Harry Reid has just eliminated one of those checks.

If Obama wins he is free to appoint whomever he pleases to whatever office he pleases without any accountability. Aren't his "czars" bad enough? We are screwed, I would NOT give such power to a republican either, but to give it to a marxist kenyan is just stupid.

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You will toe the line or else .......
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I wonder what it feels like to cut off your own balls.
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My guess is that they have to surrender their balls (or their ovaries) on the first day they take office.

What APPEAR to be balls are really "neuticals". Dog owners will know what I mean!
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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(1) CHIEF SCIENTIST; NATIONAL OCEANIC AND ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Carbon tax based on phoney 'science', here we come...
Three Bribes for the Democrats sneaky and sly,
Seven for the Bankers in their halls of gold,
Nine for Labor Unions sucking us dry,
One for the Liar Chief leaving us cold
In Washington D.C. where politicians lie.

One Bill to rule them all, One Bill to find them,
One Bill to bring them all and in the debt-ness bind them
In Washington D.C. where politicians lie.
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can someone put this into english for me?
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Dozens of key management positions in the Departments of Agriculture, Defense, Commerce, and Homeland Security (including the treasurer of the United States, the deputy administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, the director of the Office for Domestic Preparedness, and the assistant administrator of FEMA) will now be filled by presidential edict, without the need of the “advice and consent” of the Senate, a phrase specifically removed from the process in the text of the bill.
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Don't forget Supreme Court Justices, although they are pretty much rubber-stamped anyway by the do-nothing Congress......
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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A bill past by congress can't nulify the Constitution. This will end up in the Supreme Court. Hopefully the court will have pulled their heads out of their asses by then. If not, this is one one more step toward the revolution to reinstate the Constitutional government.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy




After the Obamacare vote, I no longer trust that the Supreme Court will uphold anything other than their own agenda.
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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Americans have set back and WATCHED IT ALL HAPPEN AND DONE NOTHING AT ALL ALONG THE WAY!
Guess youve found out youre asses ARE owned.....YOUR GOVT "USED TO "WORK FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLR, ITS NOW OBVIOUS THE AMERICAN PEOLE MORE THAN WORK FOR THEM! enjoy not doing a damn thing. All of yous talk about "sheeple" like loco but all you americans say Baaaaa- baaaaah.Try living in. A REAL suppressed country then you will have known what freedoms you are so easily and gladly giving up. ¡Quebas!
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No, there's nothing within the system we could have done. Many times we've voted for candidates we considered least likely to do something like this, but they just lied in their campaign promises and did it anyway. Same as Obama lied. There's nothing to stop these guys from lying, and we can't seem to get decent candidates through to a general election, it's just one controlled candidate against another.

We tried, we continue to try. I challenge you to back up your statement and be explicit: what could we have done differently. We were not asleep, we were just powerless under the rules of the system that is actually in place.
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The rules of the system actually state we have the constitutional right to take up arms against anything imposed over us that is unconstitutional. It is completely in our right to no comply we just choose to always comply. We are the only country ever given the right to revolt. Our founding fathers revolted over a 2% tax
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Here's the actual text, help me pick it apart -

[link to thomas.loc.gov]


One Hundred Twelfth Congress

of the

United States of America

AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday,

the third day of January, two thousand and twelve

An Act

To reduce the number of executive positions subject to Senate confirmation.


...

SEC. 2. PRESIDENTIAL APPOINTMENTS NOT SUBJECT TO SENATE APPROVAL.

(a) Agriculture-

(1) ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE FOR ADMINISTRATION- Section 218(b) of the Department of Agriculture Reorganization Act of 1994 (7 U.S.C. 6918(b)) is amended--


(2) RURAL UTILITIES SERVICE ADMINISTRATOR- Section 232(b)(1) of the Department of Agriculture Reorganization Act of 1994 (7 U.S.C. 6942(b)(1)) is amended--

...

(3) COMMODITY CREDIT CORPORATION- Section 9(a) of the Commodity Credit Corporation Charter Act (15 U.S.C. 714g(a)) is amended in the third sentence by striking `by and with the advice and consent of the Senate'.

(b) Commerce-

(1) CHIEF SCIENTIST; NATIONAL OCEANIC AND ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION


(more at link)


There's all sorts of stuff in it...
 Quoting: Laura Bow




And I can see each and every position being filled by an Obama appointee.....

God help us (please?).
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It will be more like Canada, where the Senate is non-elected and non-responsible.
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Where did you think this was headed? The economic capital for the new American Union was decided upon, back in '89, to be Montreal. Three zones, remember - American Union, European Union and Asian Union. That was writ about already all the way back in the sixteen hundreds - Karl Marx, Das Kapital.

Do you still not get why the canadianisation going on?

:)
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It will be more like Canada, where the Senate is non-elected and non-responsible.
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Where did you think this was headed? The economic capital for the new American Union was decided upon, back in '89, to be Montreal. Three zones, remember - American Union, European Union and Asian Union. That was writ about already all the way back in the sixteen hundreds - Karl Marx, Das Kapital.

Do you still not get why the canadianisation going on?

:)
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Sorry, meant eighteen hundreds.
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I think I recall WAAAAY too much time wasted on Senate confirmations of these positions. Lawmakers SHOULD have been busy doing other things, sadly, they spent MONTHS wasting time on this bullshit. Presidents should be able to appoint anyone they deem fit for the position. It's the privelage of the POTUS.
Where are all your precious Tea Party representatives that were going to clean up Washington DC?
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Condi Rice should have been pressed harder. They ALL should.
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Another step toward dictatorship
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...I already took over as commander and chief,I'm a godhi...we are back this year as the Mayans said...did you get the god diet and manna memo to activate your ancestral DNA memories?

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How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Sounds like it has something to do with this:

Thread: Executive Order # 13575: The theft of rural and agricultural lands for UN Agenda 21

He created all those positions, and now he want to fill them fast!
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Another step toward dictatorship
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^this^

I called my Senators about it when it was up for a vote there and they were both all for it. They don't want to be bothered with the responsiblity of acting as a check and balance on executive power at all.

To be fair, it isn't all appointments, just the ones they don't think are important enough to warrant their attention. It still leaves a hole big enough to drive an administrative dictatorship truck through.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Everyone stop getting your panties in a wad. The legislation may be unwise (don't know, haven't read it) but highly unlikely to be unconstitutional. INS v. Chadha and Morrison v. Olson have already made it clear (as if it could have been clearer) that principal officers must be confirmed by the Senate. All others are appointed however Congress says.

Read some con law once in awhile and you won't have so many strokes.
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Everyone stop getting your panties in a wad. The legislation may be unwise (don't know, haven't read it) but highly unlikely to be unconstitutional. INS v. Chadha and Morrison v. Olson have already made it clear (as if it could have been clearer) that principal officers must be confirmed by the Senate. All others are appointed however Congress says.

Read some con law once in awhile and you won't have so many strokes.
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Just had to go and rain on everyone's parade?

lmao

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