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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8392006 United States 08/03/2012 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! Sounds like the fix is in again... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20157147 Argentina 08/03/2012 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! The House of Representatives is set to consider legislation Tuesday that would exempt certain presidential appointees from having to be confirmed by the Senate. Quoting: Laura Bow UPDATE: The House passed the legislation Tuesday night by a vote of 261-116. The bill now goes to President Obama’s desk for his signature. More at [link to libertycrier.com] By a vote of 261-116, the House of Representatives passed a bill rewriting Article II of the Constitution and divesting the Senate of the power to accept or reject the appointment of many presidential nominees. Last year, the Senate passed the measure by a vote of 79-20, so it now goes to the desk of President Obama for his signature. "Important positions will be filled faster, government agencies will be more capable of offering valuable services to their constituents, and the overall confirmation process will be more efficient,” said Senator Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.), chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. Dozens of key management positions in the Departments of Agriculture, Defense, Commerce, and Homeland Security (including the treasurer of the United States, the deputy administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, the director of the Office for Domestic Preparedness, and the assistant administrator of FEMA) will now be filled by presidential edict, without the need of the “advice and consent” of the Senate, a phrase specifically removed from the process in the text of the bill. Although the House vote occurred on Tuesday, the Senate voted to surrender its constitutional check on the executive over a year ago on June 29, 2011. Despite a last-minute attempt by some House leaders to put the measure to a voice vote, thus allowing members to vote in favor of the legislation without being listed on the record, a roll call vote was taken, and the name of every congressman who voted to unconstitutionally neuter the legislative branch is listed. More at [link to www.thenewamerican.com] FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 537 S 679 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 31-Jul-2012 7:06 PM QUESTION: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass BILL TITLE: To reduce the number of executive positions subject to Senate confirmation [link to clerk.house.gov] XML U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 112th Congress - 1st Session Vote Counts: YEAs 79 NAYs 20 Not Voting 1 [link to www.senate.gov] I see 80% of the House of Representatives is a band of corrupt and traitors to the people and the American constitution. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 3538082 United States 08/03/2012 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! What does it matter? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12339688 If the House actually represented the people, would we have had bank bailouts? That..... They don't work for the people. The government is it's own entity and doesn't need our consent or permission to make decisions. Once everybody started turning to the government to fix their problems, we lost. Now if something goes wrong, you ask the president to fix it. Build your house next to the river, and it it floods...ask the government to help you. Government, ridding people of personal responsibility since 1962. Govt can represent the people views on laws without fixing everything. If Americans had voted the banks would have been fixing their own damn problems. Actually the people nor the government have a say in this matter. The Government does not have the authority from the Constitution, which must be abide by all people, to bail out any business. Government was not meant to interfere with business in any way. Only make sure trade was kept regular and not hindered in anyway, the true meaning of the commerce clause. No one gets bailed out. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20244954 Canada 08/03/2012 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! Dozens of key management positions in the Departments of Agriculture, Defense, Commerce, and Homeland Security (including the treasurer of the United States, the deputy administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, the director of the Office for Domestic Preparedness, and the assistant administrator of FEMA) will now be filled by presidential edict, without the need of the “advice and consent” of the Senate, a phrase specifically removed from the process in the text of the bill. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12666735 They always have more than 1 agenda. The admin. branch can now use these jobs as a way to buy people off and repay political favors, the ones mentioned here are high paying positions with lots of cushy benefits. The whole operation of regulation and oversight will be 'heck of a job Brownie!' |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1053923 United States 08/03/2012 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! I think I recall WAAAAY too much time wasted on Senate confirmations of these positions. Lawmakers SHOULD have been busy doing other things, sadly, they spent MONTHS wasting time on this bullshit. Presidents should be able to appoint anyone they deem fit for the position. It's the privelage of the POTUS. Where are all your precious Tea Party representatives that were going to clean up Washington DC? |
Redpaw360 User ID: 11235712 United States 08/03/2012 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! Although I think it was supposed to be well meaning, this scares the shit out of me. Nothing like fucking a country over without accounting for yourself u der the guise of leadership. We are so fucked. Oregon Constitution Article I, Section 27 The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20244954 Canada 08/03/2012 08:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! A bill past by congress can't nulify the Constitution. This will end up in the Supreme Court. Hopefully the court will have pulled their heads out of their asses by then. If not, this is one one more step toward the revolution to reinstate the Constitutional government. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy Who are we supposed to count on, "It's a tax" Roberts? All 3 branches need to be purged of the corruption. Trials, shame and the loss of everything they own. [youtube] [link to www.youtube.com] |
chris999 User ID: 19470458 United States 08/03/2012 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! A bill past by congress can't nulify the Constitution. This will end up in the Supreme Court. Hopefully the court will have pulled their heads out of their asses by then. If not, this is one one more step toward the revolution to reinstate the Constitutional government. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy Who are we supposed to count on, "It's a tax" Roberts? All 3 branches need to be purged of the corruption. Trials, shame and the loss of everything they own. agreed. I have seen for quite some time that revolution is going to be the only way to stop the NWO, but damn, everytime a grassroots movement starts like OWS or like the Anahiem riots... the idiot Fox News watchers believe the propaganda that they are "socialists" or "gang members"... Wake the fuck up America. Quit demonizing the movements that are trying to set us free. Do you really think that Fox News and Bill O'Riely are not mouthpeices of the government? It's funny, people get mad because the media lies all of the time, but yet they believe the media atALL of the WRONG times... Come on. I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate. I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. -Galileo Galilei |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3677166 United States 08/03/2012 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! Bingo, we have a winner. Regardless of party. This government was set up with checks and balances between the three branches of government. The Senate under that fool Harry Reid has just eliminated one of those checks. If Obama wins he is free to appoint whomever he pleases to whatever office he pleases without any accountability. Aren't his "czars" bad enough? We are screwed, I would NOT give such power to a republican either, but to give it to a marxist kenyan is just stupid. |
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Eggcellent Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 13043121 United States 08/03/2012 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! My guess is that they have to surrender their balls (or their ovaries) on the first day they take office. What APPEAR to be balls are really "neuticals". Dog owners will know what I mean! "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
Dr. Anomaly User ID: 17818503 United States 08/03/2012 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! Carbon tax based on phoney 'science', here we come... Three Bribes for the Democrats sneaky and sly, Seven for the Bankers in their halls of gold, Nine for Labor Unions sucking us dry, One for the Liar Chief leaving us cold In Washington D.C. where politicians lie. One Bill to rule them all, One Bill to find them, One Bill to bring them all and in the debt-ness bind them In Washington D.C. where politicians lie. |
Eggcellent Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 13043121 United States 08/03/2012 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! Dozens of key management positions in the Departments of Agriculture, Defense, Commerce, and Homeland Security (including the treasurer of the United States, the deputy administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, the director of the Office for Domestic Preparedness, and the assistant administrator of FEMA) will now be filled by presidential edict, without the need of the “advice and consent” of the Senate, a phrase specifically removed from the process in the text of the bill. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12666735 Don't forget Supreme Court Justices, although they are pretty much rubber-stamped anyway by the do-nothing Congress...... "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
Eggcellent Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 13043121 United States 08/03/2012 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! A bill past by congress can't nulify the Constitution. This will end up in the Supreme Court. Hopefully the court will have pulled their heads out of their asses by then. If not, this is one one more step toward the revolution to reinstate the Constitutional government. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy After the Obamacare vote, I no longer trust that the Supreme Court will uphold anything other than their own agenda. "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2679163 United States 08/03/2012 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! Americans have set back and WATCHED IT ALL HAPPEN AND DONE NOTHING AT ALL ALONG THE WAY! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19214390 Guess youve found out youre asses ARE owned.....YOUR GOVT "USED TO "WORK FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLR, ITS NOW OBVIOUS THE AMERICAN PEOLE MORE THAN WORK FOR THEM! enjoy not doing a damn thing. All of yous talk about "sheeple" like loco but all you americans say Baaaaa- baaaaah.Try living in. A REAL suppressed country then you will have known what freedoms you are so easily and gladly giving up. ¡Quebas! No, there's nothing within the system we could have done. Many times we've voted for candidates we considered least likely to do something like this, but they just lied in their campaign promises and did it anyway. Same as Obama lied. There's nothing to stop these guys from lying, and we can't seem to get decent candidates through to a general election, it's just one controlled candidate against another. We tried, we continue to try. I challenge you to back up your statement and be explicit: what could we have done differently. We were not asleep, we were just powerless under the rules of the system that is actually in place. The rules of the system actually state we have the constitutional right to take up arms against anything imposed over us that is unconstitutional. It is completely in our right to no comply we just choose to always comply. We are the only country ever given the right to revolt. Our founding fathers revolted over a 2% tax |
Eggcellent Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 13043121 United States 08/03/2012 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! Here's the actual text, help me pick it apart - Quoting: Laura Bow [link to thomas.loc.gov] One Hundred Twelfth Congress of the United States of America AT THE SECOND SESSION Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday, the third day of January, two thousand and twelve An Act To reduce the number of executive positions subject to Senate confirmation. ... SEC. 2. PRESIDENTIAL APPOINTMENTS NOT SUBJECT TO SENATE APPROVAL. (a) Agriculture- (1) ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE FOR ADMINISTRATION- Section 218(b) of the Department of Agriculture Reorganization Act of 1994 (7 U.S.C. 6918(b)) is amended-- (2) RURAL UTILITIES SERVICE ADMINISTRATOR- Section 232(b)(1) of the Department of Agriculture Reorganization Act of 1994 (7 U.S.C. 6942(b)(1)) is amended-- ... (3) COMMODITY CREDIT CORPORATION- Section 9(a) of the Commodity Credit Corporation Charter Act (15 U.S.C. 714g(a)) is amended in the third sentence by striking `by and with the advice and consent of the Senate'. (b) Commerce- (1) CHIEF SCIENTIST; NATIONAL OCEANIC AND ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION (more at link) There's all sorts of stuff in it... And I can see each and every position being filled by an Obama appointee..... God help us (please?). "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21180710 Canada 08/03/2012 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! It will be more like Canada, where the Senate is non-elected and non-responsible. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20577767 Where did you think this was headed? The economic capital for the new American Union was decided upon, back in '89, to be Montreal. Three zones, remember - American Union, European Union and Asian Union. That was writ about already all the way back in the sixteen hundreds - Karl Marx, Das Kapital. Do you still not get why the canadianisation going on? :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21180710 Canada 08/03/2012 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! It will be more like Canada, where the Senate is non-elected and non-responsible. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20577767 Where did you think this was headed? The economic capital for the new American Union was decided upon, back in '89, to be Montreal. Three zones, remember - American Union, European Union and Asian Union. That was writ about already all the way back in the sixteen hundreds - Karl Marx, Das Kapital. Do you still not get why the canadianisation going on? :) Sorry, meant eighteen hundreds. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20244954 Canada 08/03/2012 09:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! I think I recall WAAAAY too much time wasted on Senate confirmations of these positions. Lawmakers SHOULD have been busy doing other things, sadly, they spent MONTHS wasting time on this bullshit. Presidents should be able to appoint anyone they deem fit for the position. It's the privelage of the POTUS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1053923 Where are all your precious Tea Party representatives that were going to clean up Washington DC? Condi Rice should have been pressed harder. They ALL should. |
T Ceti H.C. Radnarg User ID: 21095807 United States 08/03/2012 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! ...I already took over as commander and chief,I'm a god...we are back this year as the Mayans said...did you get the god diet and manna memo to activate your ancestral DNA memories? Last Edited by T Ceti H.C. Radnarg on 08/03/2012 10:10 PM How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1488600 United States 08/03/2012 10:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! Sounds like it has something to do with this: Thread: Executive Order # 13575: The theft of rural and agricultural lands for UN Agenda 21 He created all those positions, and now he want to fill them fast! |
Resister User ID: 1461638 United States 08/03/2012 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! ^this^ I called my Senators about it when it was up for a vote there and they were both all for it. They don't want to be bothered with the responsiblity of acting as a check and balance on executive power at all. To be fair, it isn't all appointments, just the ones they don't think are important enough to warrant their attention. It still leaves a hole big enough to drive an administrative dictatorship truck through. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20904761 United States 08/03/2012 11:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! Everyone stop getting your panties in a wad. The legislation may be unwise (don't know, haven't read it) but highly unlikely to be unconstitutional. INS v. Chadha and Morrison v. Olson have already made it clear (as if it could have been clearer) that principal officers must be confirmed by the Senate. All others are appointed however Congress says. Read some con law once in awhile and you won't have so many strokes. |
Invisible Man User ID: 12884644 United States 08/03/2012 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: House passes bill eliminating Senate confirmation for Presidential appointees, rewrites Article II of Constitution! Everyone stop getting your panties in a wad. The legislation may be unwise (don't know, haven't read it) but highly unlikely to be unconstitutional. INS v. Chadha and Morrison v. Olson have already made it clear (as if it could have been clearer) that principal officers must be confirmed by the Senate. All others are appointed however Congress says. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20904761 Read some con law once in awhile and you won't have so many strokes. Just had to go and rain on everyone's parade? |