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Can life exist without "evil"

 
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Can life exist without "evil"
Can life exist without "sin", without "evil" without "bad", without "negative".

If we cultivate negentropy, or low entropy existence, in another part of the universe it will create high entropy, right?
So this means that.. there will always be a battle?

So that means that "God" creates Evil for a so called "purpose"?

Or is this simply what the elite want us to believe to keep us entrapped in a prison state, in which life requires the dual concepts of good and evil to exist. Or that "duality" requires evil to exist.

What do you think?

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Re: Can life exist without "evil"
Pretty sure that it's evil that cannot exist without life.
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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can't have "good" without "bad"

can't have "bad" without "good"
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can't have "good" without "bad"

can't have "bad" without "good"
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So if we got rid of these concepts, wouldn't we stop existing? Or rather, stop being conscious? Revert back to being the "singularity", was the singularity conscious? or unconscious? or both at the same time and neither and wtf!?

weird state of "existence/non-existence".

Maybe we still do exist inside of a singularity. Duality inside a singularity inside a duality inside a singularity.......etc?

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Re: Can life exist without "evil"
God promises life without evil for those that accept Jesus Christ as his son and our savior. Whatever you or I think, it comes down to:


1 Corinthians 2:9

However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" (NIV)
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If there was no evil (extreme egoistic behavior, to be neutral) the metaphysical energy we use to co-create our reality would be funneled into the reality itself, instead of wasted on things like fear, hate and greed. The result would be a reality far different from the game of 'birth/survival/death'... a paradise on Earth.
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What, exactly, is polarity?
It is something much more than simple duality or opposition. For to say that opposites are polar is to say much more than that they are far apart: it is to say that they are related and joined--that they are the terms, ends, or extremities of a single whole. Polar opposites are therefore inseparable opposites, like the poles of the earth or of a magnet, or the ends of a stick or the faces of a coin.
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Yes, it can be true.
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God promises life without evil for those that accept Jesus Christ as his son and our savior. Whatever you or I think, it comes down to:


1 Corinthians 2:9

However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" (NIV)
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religion created evil
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Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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religion created evil
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It can be.
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If there was no evil (extreme egoistic behavior, to be neutral) the metaphysical energy we use to co-create our reality would be funneled into the reality itself, instead of wasted on things like fear, hate and greed. The result would be a reality far different from the game of 'birth/survival/death'... a paradise on Earth.
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I agree.

but if we created a world like this, wouldn't that also create a world that is the exact opposite somewhere else?

Why can't we just learn our lessons on a spiritual plane and then, manifest good on the physical plane?

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can't have "good" without "bad"

can't have "bad" without "good"
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So if we got rid of these concepts, wouldn't we stop existing? Or rather, stop being conscious? Revert back to being the "singularity", was the singularity conscious? or unconscious? or both at the same time and neither and wtf!?

weird state of "existence/non-existence".

Maybe we still do exist inside of a singularity. Duality inside a singularity inside a duality inside a singularity.......etc?
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Yo're born with a sense of good and bad(or evil as you put it)cant get rid of it
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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can't have "good" without "bad"

can't have "bad" without "good"
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So if we got rid of these concepts, wouldn't we stop existing? Or rather, stop being conscious? Revert back to being the "singularity", was the singularity conscious? or unconscious? or both at the same time and neither and wtf!?

weird state of "existence/non-existence".

Maybe we still do exist inside of a singularity. Duality inside a singularity inside a duality inside a singularity.......etc?
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Yo're born with a sense of good and bad(or evil as you put it)cant get rid of it
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Yea.. that would be awesome. If so then why the heck would you have to manifest it on the physical if we already have a sense of it in the inner realm?

Unless of course.. once we realize this then we can start to create a difference.

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Nothing exists on earth without the opposite.

It's how you get free will to choose.
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Can life exist without "sin", without "evil" without "bad", without "negative".

If we cultivate negentropy, or low entropy existence, in another part of the universe it will create high entropy, right?
So this means that.. there will always be a battle?

So that means that "God" creates Evil for a so called "purpose"?

Or is this simply what the elite want us to believe to keep us entrapped in a prison state, in which life requires the dual concepts of good and evil to exist. Or that "duality" requires evil to exist.

What do you think?
 Quoting: bannedfornoreason


There are two opposing forces, but the interpretation of those forces's concept is corrupt... Gotta be careful

I like to talk about confusion, which is something inherent to creation. It's what creates missinterpretation, wrong ways and all of that...
This confusion is necessary in some layers of creation. We should understand why this confusion exists so we can deal with it... If you think you will evolve by simply denying it you are wrong!
- ? Nus.

-You Hold Witness I Witness

As if he could, by himself, say:
_Alive, therefore life itself.
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While, generally speaking, the issues just mentioned operate as impediments, there are always exceptions. A belief in heaven that is not an obsessional belief can be used as a useful framework, as a basis of operation in which an individual will often accept easily then, the new explanations that will be offered.

Even a belief in a time of judgment is a useful framework in many instances, for while there is no punishment meted out in your terms, the individual is then prepared for some kind of spiritual examination and evaluation.

Those who understand thoroughly that reality is self-created will have least difficulty. Those who have learned to understand and operate in the mechanics of the dream state will have great advantage. A belief in demons is highly disadvantageous after death, as it is during physical existence. A systematized theology of opposites is also detrimental. If you believe, for example, that all good must be balanced by evil, then you bind yourself into a system of reality that is highly limiting, and that contains within it the seeds of great torment.

In such a system, even good becomes suspect, because an equal evil is seen to follow it. The god-versus-devil, angels-versus-demons - the gulf between animals and angels - all of these distortions are impediments. In your system of reality now you set up great contrasts and opposing factors. These operate as root assumptions within your reality.

They are extremely superficial and largely the result of misused intellectual abilities. The intellect alone cannot understand what the intuitions most certainly know. In trying to make sense in its terms of physical existence, the intellect has set up these opposing factors. The intellect says, "If there is good, there must be evil," for it wants things explained in neat parcels. If there is an up, there must be a down. There must be balance. The inner self, however, realizes that in much larger terms, evil is simply ignorance, that "up" and "down" are neat terms applied to space which knows no such directions.

A strong belief in such opposing forces is highly detrimental, however, for it prevents an understanding of the facts – the facts of inner unity and of oneness, of interconnections and of cooperation. A belief, therefore, an obsessional belief in such opposing factors, is perhaps the most detrimental element, not only after death but during any existence.

There are some individuals who have never experienced during physical life that sense of harmony and oneness in which such opposing factors merge. Such individuals have many stages to go through following transition, and usually many other physical lives "ahead" of them.

As you form your physical existence individually and collectively, so after the time of choosing, you join others who have decided upon the same general kind of experience. A strong cooperative venture is then begun as preparations are made. These will vary according to the type of existence chosen. There are general patterns, therefore. No individual's reality is identical with another's, and yet there are overall groupings.

Quite simply, a belief in the good without a belief in the evil, may seem highly unrealistic to you. This belief, however, is the best kind of insurance that you can have, both during physical life and afterward.

It may outrage your intellect, and the evidence of your physical senses may shout that it is untrue, yet a belief in good without a belief in evil is actually highly realistic, since in physical life it will keep your body healthier, keep you psychologically free of many fears and mental difficulties, and bring you a feeling of ease and spontaneity in which the development of your abilities can be better fulfilled. After death it will release you from the belief in demons and hell, and enforced punishment. You will be better prepared to understand the nature of reality as it is. I understand that the concept does indeed offend your intellect, and that your senses seem to deny it. Yet you should already realize that your senses tell you many things, which are not true; and I tell you that your physical senses perceive a reality that is a result of your beliefs.

Believing in evils, you will of course perceive them. Your world has not tried the experiment as yet which would release you. Christianity was but a distortion of this main truth - that is, organized Christianity as you know it. I am not simply speaking here of the original precepts. They were hardly given a chance, and we will discuss some of this later in the book.

The experiment that would transform your world would operate upon the basic idea that you create your own reality according to the nature of your beliefs, and that all existence was blessed, and that evil did not exist in it. If these ideas were followed individually and collectively, then the evidence of your physical senses would find no contradiction. They would perceive the world and existence as good.

This is the experiment that has not been tried, and these are the truths that you must learn after physical death. Some, after death, understanding these truths, choose to return to physical existence and explain them. Through the centuries this has been the way. In the system of probabilities that originates within physical reality, this is also the case.

Seth - Jane Roberts.

I am teaching it.

I've never seen evil/devil entities when HIGH AS A KITE, like these Illuminati/"Elite" claim to have.

So I don't think they KNOW the NATURE of REALITY.

But I do see evil when sober, because that is the REALITY that THEY CREATE OUT OF THEIR PATHETIC BELIEFS.
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can't have "good" without "bad"

can't have "bad" without "good"
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So if we got rid of these concepts, wouldn't we stop existing? Or rather, stop being conscious? Revert back to being the "singularity", was the singularity conscious? or unconscious? or both at the same time and neither and wtf!?

weird state of "existence/non-existence".

Maybe we still do exist inside of a singularity. Duality inside a singularity inside a duality inside a singularity.......etc?
 Quoting: bannedfornoreason


Yo're born with a sense of good and bad(or evil as you put it)cant get rid of it
 Quoting: _KlLLUMINATI


Yea.. that would be awesome. If so then why the heck would you have to manifest it on the physical if we already have a sense of it in the inner realm?

Unless of course.. once we realize this then we can start to create a difference.
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rape is always wrong do you need to be told that? murder is wrong do you need sum1 to tell you that? no you dont its a sense like any other animal has
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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there is no such thing as "evil"
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can't have "good" without "bad"

can't have "bad" without "good"
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So if we got rid of these concepts, wouldn't we stop existing? Or rather, stop being conscious? Revert back to being the "singularity", was the singularity conscious? or unconscious? or both at the same time and neither and wtf!?

weird state of "existence/non-existence".

Maybe we still do exist inside of a singularity. Duality inside a singularity inside a duality inside a singularity.......etc?
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No, singularity is not any part of duality. To find it is your exit from duality, good-bad incl.
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can't have "good" without "bad"

can't have "bad" without "good"
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So if we got rid of these concepts, wouldn't we stop existing? Or rather, stop being conscious? Revert back to being the "singularity", was the singularity conscious? or unconscious? or both at the same time and neither and wtf!?

weird state of "existence/non-existence".

Maybe we still do exist inside of a singularity. Duality inside a singularity inside a duality inside a singularity.......etc?
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No, singularity is not any part of duality. To find it is your exit from duality, good-bad incl.
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Thats not true.

I'm throughly good.
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If there was no evil (extreme egoistic behavior, to be neutral) the metaphysical energy we use to co-create our reality would be funneled into the reality itself, instead of wasted on things like fear, hate and greed. The result would be a reality far different from the game of 'birth/survival/death'... a paradise on Earth.
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I agree.

but if we created a world like this, wouldn't that also create a world that is the exact opposite somewhere else?

Why can't we just learn our lessons on a spiritual plane and then, manifest good on the physical plane?
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No. The other world would have its own 'collective psyche' with free will contained there in. No reason for one world of free will to effect the other, to my knowledge.

Because the physical plane is the result of 'energy drain' on a previously spiritual plane. Religion, which motivates one to worship fictional idols, directs energy away from the reality of the collective psyche. As the collective psyche becomes more finite, our existence within it becomes finite (as above, so below.) Long story short, the 'birth/survival/death' mode of reality can't exist without some agent of metaphysical energy drain... idol worship, materialism, etc. etc.
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can't have "good" without "bad"

can't have "bad" without "good"
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So if we got rid of these concepts, wouldn't we stop existing? Or rather, stop being conscious? Revert back to being the "singularity", was the singularity conscious? or unconscious? or both at the same time and neither and wtf!?

weird state of "existence/non-existence".

Maybe we still do exist inside of a singularity. Duality inside a singularity inside a duality inside a singularity.......etc?
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No, singularity is not any part of duality. To find it is your exit from duality, good-bad incl.
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Thats not true.

I'm throughly good.
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Not even now - your begining an argument. LOL
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So if we got rid of these concepts, wouldn't we stop existing? Or rather, stop being conscious? Revert back to being the "singularity", was the singularity conscious? or unconscious? or both at the same time and neither and wtf!?

weird state of "existence/non-existence".

Maybe we still do exist inside of a singularity. Duality inside a singularity inside a duality inside a singularity.......etc?
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No, singularity is not any part of duality. To find it is your exit from duality, good-bad incl.
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Thats not true.

I'm throughly good.
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Not even now - your begining an argument. LOL
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Your ideas of good are completely misguided.

Or manipulative.
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Can life exist without "sin", without "evil" without "bad", without "negative".

If we cultivate negentropy, or low entropy existence, in another part of the universe it will create high entropy, right?
So this means that.. there will always be a battle?

So that means that "God" creates Evil for a so called "purpose"?

Or is this simply what the elite want us to believe to keep us entrapped in a prison state, in which life requires the dual concepts of good and evil to exist. Or that "duality" requires evil to exist.

What do you think?
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Good and bad is a matter of perception, in exactly the same way as money, religion and politics is.
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There is no good, there is no evil, there is simply karma. Realize your view of duality and the realization of one. thumbs
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Yes and that's why we are here to learn what evil is and rid ourselves of it.
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Nothing exists on earth without the opposite.

It's how you get free will to choose.
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This^^

Life always involves different States of Being

Alive--Dead
Health--Illness
Uninjured--Injured
Free--Enslaved
Clothed--Naked
Comfort--Uncomfort
Well-fed--Starving
Informed--Uninformed
Intelligent--Stupid
Sexual Satisfaction--Sexual un-fullfilment
Well housed--shelterless
Faithful to spouse--unfaithful

Most of us would choose the things listed to the left as "good"(promoting survival), while their opposites are "bad"(or at least less desirable)

Those thought processes/intentions/emotions that tend to provide us or our loved ones with the "good" can be referred to as Virtues. Several thinkers have listed them variously as Prudence, Justice, Temperance, and Fortitude.

Those thought processes/intentions/emotions which tend to cause their opposite to either ourselves or someone else can be referred to as Sins.
These have been listed by various writers as Pride (enmity), Wrath, Envy, Lust, Gluttony, Avarice, and Sloth.

Actions based on virtuous thought/emotions are attributed to be "Good", and actions based upon Sinful emotion/thought are attributed to be "Evil". It is thus not always possible to attribute Good or Evil to an action without knowing the actor's intent.


Systems of thought that organize ways to achieve "the Good" are frequently recognized as Philosophies or Religions.(Depending on their emphasis on God(s))

A key difference to note in the Abrahamic Religions is--whether they consider someone outside the group to be entitled to the same treatment/consideration as a group member.

Last Edited by MuzzleBreak on 08/03/2012 09:56 PM
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Nothing exists on earth without the opposite.

It's how you get free will to choose.
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This^^

Life always involves different States of Being

Alive--Dead
Health--Illness
Uninjured--Injured
Free--Enslaved
Clothed--Naked
Comfort--Uncomfort
Well-fed--Starving
Informed--Uninformed
Intelligent--Stupid
Sexual Satisfaction--Sexual un-fullfilment
Well housed--shelterless
Faithful to spouse--unfaithful

Most of us would choose the things listed to the left as "good", while their opposites are "bad"(or at least less desirable)

Those thought processes/intentions/emotions that tend to provide us or our loved ones with the "good" can be referred to as Virtues. Several thinkers have listed them variously as Prudence, Justice, Temperance, and Fortitude.

Those thought processes/intentions/emotions which tend to cause their opposite to either ourselves or someone else can be referred to as Sins.
These have been listed by various writers as Pride (enmity), Wrath, Envy, Lust, Gluttony, Avarice, and Sloth.

Actions based on virtuous thought/emotions are attributed to be "Good", and actions based upon Sinful emotion/thought are attributed to be "Evil". It is thus not always possible to attribute Good or Evil to an action without knowing the actor's intent.


Systems of thought that organize ways to achieve "the Good" are frequently recognized as Philosophies or Religions.(Depending on their emphasis on God(s))

A key difference to note in the Abrahamic Religions is--whether they consider someone outside the group to be entitled to the same treatment/consideration as a group member.
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If you are born in this life with the ultimate end goal of dieing from the second you are here then this is death, a reoccurring death until you reach enlightenment and find everlasting life. So...if instead of
Alive--Dead
It is
Dead--alive

Then there is no..

Health--Illness
Uninjured--Injured
Free--Enslaved
Clothed--Naked
Comfort--Uncomfort
Well-fed--Starving
Informed--Uninformed
Intelligent--Stupid
Sexual Satisfaction--Sexual un-fullfilment
Well housed--shelterless
Faithful to spouse--unfaithful

They are all illusions that keep you from enlightenment.
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"They are all illusions that keep you from enlightenment."
You are stating that we continue in the cycle until we achieve enlightenment? Perhaps so, perhaps not, perhaps for some, it occurs after death--we can not know for certain.

States of being are not illusions, they just are inherent conditions of being alive.

Euphoric mental states brought on by drugs, deprivation, pain, etc., that seem to be more important than the desire to survive tend to become associated with the listed "bad" alternatives--and, thus, death. Although important insights may be achieved during such mental states, do not mistake these insights into nature as total Enlightenment.

Enlightenment, properly understood, should include an understanding of why we act as we do--and the knowledge that the Inconceivable and the Unknowable exist.

Also, Evil and Good can exist solely as intentions(or spirits) and require no actions--and thus the only capable "Judge" must reside within us. That is the Conscience (--that piece of God within us?).

Good and Evil Intentions/Spiritscan certainly exist within our brains/minds(and also within the brains of many other creatures)--but can they exist outside the Mind?
I am convinced they can.

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