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Dee Brown's Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee was first published in the United States in 1970. This landmark book—which incorporated a number of eyewitness accounts and official records—offered a scathing indictment of the U.S. politicians, soldiers, and citizens who colonized the American West. Focusing mainly on the thirty-year span from 1860 to 1890, the book was the first account of the time period told from the Native-American point of view. It demonstrated that whites instigated the great majority of the conflicts between Native Americans and themselves. Brown began searching for the facts about Native Americans after he met several as a child and had a hard time believing the myths about their savagery that were popular among white people. Brown published his book a century after the events took place, but it was a timely publication, since many U.S. citizens were already feeling guilty about their country's involvement in the Vietnam War. Brown's book depicted, in detail, the U.S. government's attempt to acquire Native Americans' land by using a mix of threats, deception, and murder. In addition, the book showed the attempts to crush Native-American beliefs and practices. These acts were justified by the theory of Manifest Destiny, which stated that European descendents acting for the U.S. government had a God-given right to take land from the Native Americans. Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee is Brown's best-known work and has since overshadowed all of his other books.

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strange history in truth

most is buried in red tape

and obfuscation

honor needs be returned
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12/27/2005 01:30 AM
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and the truth needs to be told!
neti
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12/27/2005 01:37 AM
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I've read the book and seen the pics a long time ago, but they and the story were very moving. Very sad.
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12/27/2005 01:43 AM
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i read Bury my heart in about 1976 and was profoundly moved by it, the gross violence and barbarism of the US armed forces , only proves that all modern armed forces are the same when it comes to application. That is why they are armies , they have the express intent, purpose and power to kill other human beings, and of course it attracts bloodlusters too their ranks and rankness.
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with truth, comes justice and true freedom.
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bump
*Jennifer*

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12/27/2005 05:54 AM
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No-one should tar all ethnically catoragised people with the same brush.

There are assholes in every race.
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((How do you feel as a white man?))

I feel fine.

Nice try.
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p.s. I was born on this land. I am also a native American.
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To IDW I resemble that Remark.

I could say the Same Thing of ALL Races of ManKind.

True we all can thank Adam for the Fall relative to this World.

That is Why a Redeamer Saviour Was Planed For from The OnStart of this Relm of the Living.

If you Want to Return To the Garden of Eden State of Being for the Whole Earth You had Better GET Rid of Your Malice or IT WILL HAUNT YOUR Soul in Darkness.

James.
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For 57301 : Yea and I was Born in the land I Walk in to And I am also 3/16 American Indian And I Offer the same Piece Pipe of Your Ansestors. Not as the Current White Man you have Come to Know.
PS: Blond Haired Blue Eyed Being of God's Creation.
Bottom Line Take it or Leave it.
That's Life.
Young Indian Man
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12/27/2005 08:19 AM
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White bread American eurotrash liberated the Indians from their land like we are liberating the middle east from their land and natural resources today. This country's foundation is murder, genocide, greed, and deception. Why get your panties all in a bunch about it now? gives
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After 2 years of reading and watching this forum, I can finally say (to Warrior)

Well Said!
General Genocide
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It was a big disappointment when the inhabitants of the New World didn't greet us with kisses, flowers, and bountiful offerings when we showed up to steal their land. There was a lot of nastiness on both sides then, but with our numbers and better technology and diseases for which they had no immunity, we could always getter nastier. And when we found out the various tribes didn't get along themselves, our strategy became divide and conquer, and it worked. And we followed the standard practice then as followed now of demonizing the enemy and deifying ourselves. It helps with getting the "christian" population to engage energetically in genocidal behavior and so willingly violate the commandments.
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The True Peace

"The first peace, which is the most important,
is that which comes within the souls of people
when they realize their relationship,
their oneness, with the universe and all its powers,
and when they realize that at the center
of the universe dwells Wakan-Taka (the Great Spirit),
and that this center is really everywhere, it is within each of us.
This is the real peace, and the others are but reflections of this.
The second peace is that which is made between two individuals,
and the third is that which is made between two nations.
But above all you should understand that there can never
be peace between nations until there is known that true peace,
which, as I have often said, is within the souls of men."

Black Elk, Lakota Spiritual Leader (1863 - 1950)

Peoples of all nations are beginning to awaken to the truth in Black Elk's words. I have watched this place for some time now and many that come here are looking for something solid to hold on to even if it is the catastrophic end of all creation as they know it for it will bring an end to their confusion and suffering in this time. Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee is one of many truths that will lead us to understanding "The Grand Deception" created by the our controllers and cause us to "throw off our bonds',and begin to seek this true peace that is within us all.
I respectfully ask that the peoples of all nations that know this peace please pray for those that are awakening/have awakened, and are searching for it. Griz

"I, Chief Arvol Looking Horse, greet you on behalf of the Pte Oyate - the Buffalo People, the First People, the Original People. We come from The Heart of Everything That Is - the sacred Paha Sapa - known to most as the Black Hills of South Dakota.

We are the watchers. We are witnesses. We see what has gone before. We see what happens now, at this dangerous moment in human history. We see what's going to happen - what will surely happen - unless we come together: we - the Peoples of all Nations - to restore peace and harmony and balance to the Earth, our Mother.

This new millennium will usher in an age of harmony - or it will bring the end of life as we know it.

Starvation, war, and toxic waste have been the hallmark of the Great Myth of Progress and Development that ruled the last millennium. To us, as caretakers of the Heart of Mother Earth, falls the responsibility of turning back the powers of destruction.

We have come to a time and place of great urgency. The fate of future generations rests in our hands."
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I've just started to read 'Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee'. I've been meaning to read for years but other things kept getting in the way.

I was listening to Russell Means on 'Mysteries of the Mind' and he said that not one treaty between the US government and the Native Americans has ever been kept.

That is a record of shame!
In-Dn

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Trick or Treaty,sign here, live there. With the creation of Bureau of White Man Affairs (Homeland Security) I now know that we are all truly equal. We are on one big reservation called the USA. Welcome to the REZ ! blair
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12/28/2005 01:32 AM
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I drive past it every two weeks, have yet to stop in.
XXX
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The Ghost Dance was supressed by the US government. What happened to freedom of religion?
Texas Uncensored

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I knew someone who was at Wounded Knee.

He wasn't bigoted though, IW.

Both sides of my maternal line has some Indian dna, including Pochohantas. I expect most of us with European, or Canadian roots have some Indian dna.

We prefered to steward the land, not ruin it.

The Native Indians were not the first inhabitants of this land, but rather a mix of the Celtics, French, Phoenicians, Asians, and Indians from Central and South America.
Archeological evidence shows this as far back as 20,000 years ago. The only human remains found in this country that old are Caucasian.

Isn't it time you start being proud of being an American, and your mixed roots, like most of us are?
Most of us are trying to work for the betterment of the people and the country.

How about you? Are you working toward unity, or continued self pity and prejudice?

It's kind of like the Middle East. Nobody knows who did what first, just like the Middle East.

We've all had our asses kicked at one time or another.
So, do you intend to continue blaming us in 2005 for what all of our ancestors may have had no choice in 3 or 400 years ago ?
Or, get over it, get on with it, get a life, and do some good for humanity"

Harmony, or continued disharmony?
Your attitude is such a waste.
In-Dn

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is this herstory or history,cuz it sure ain't my story, one concerned and confused Native,by the way Texass still SUCKS !
B.C. = "Before Columbus&q
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12/29/2005 12:17 PM
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NO matter what you feel when you come away from reading that book, the fact remains is that you SHOULD read Dee's epic account

A pivotal and momentous treatise on the issue of genocide & cultural subjugation

Now as to the discussion of who was here first, you have to dig further and deeper into resources for that subject.

[link to www.stonehengeusa.com]

[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.heritage.nf.ca]
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Every year they ride in memory...it's a tough ride too. Cold as hell, tough on the kids, and the horses. I really honor those that take part in the ride, some day maybe an apology...but I am not holding my breath.
*sigh*
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12/29/2005 01:21 PM
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Never took soldiers prisoners, except to torture endlessly for hours.

When they killed soldeirs they would hack off the genitals, rip out the eyeballs, put them on rocks, burn the genitals, hack and slash at the body or shoot a dozen arrows into it.

They would gang rape any white woman they caught. Children were often and usually murdered, and NOT taken prisoner.

They were a warrior race and made war until utterly defeated.


They were also hiding arms at Wounded Knee.

There are several mass massacres by Indians against whites in the history of the Colonies and the United States where hundreds of whites, men, woman, children, unarmed or armed were killed to the last man woman and child.

Go rent the movie Last of the Mohicans and see what an Indian massacre was like against unarmed whites after an "honorable" surrender.

It is very accurate history.
neti
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The Jesuits have a lot to answer for..
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The last of the Mohicans was fiction.During the French and Indian War,both French and English Indian agents were playing tribe against tribe in order to gain control of both land and fur trade.These troubles begain when Samuel de Champlain a French explorer sided in with the Huron tribe during a dispute with the Iroquois tribesmen making bitter enemies when Champlain shot a few of the Iroquois war leaders,this would last for over a hundred and fifty years.With aid from both Dutch and English the Iroquois all but destroyed the Huron,Erie,and other tribes who sided in with the French.
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The novels characters were fiction. The events depicted in the movie took place, including the surrender and massacre at Fort William Henry.

And THAT took place long after your little history blurb.
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I know what happened at Fort William Henry.That movie was a chick flick.How many times did the whites murder peaceful Indians? Ever hear of the Paxton Boys? Ever heard of what Custer did at the Washita? Sand Creek? Nathaniel Bacon killing unarmed Pamunkey Indians in Virginia? Smallpox blankets? I could go on........
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Never took soldiers prisoners, except to torture endlessly for hours.
(What would you do to protect your family?)

When they killed soldeirs they would hack off the genitals, rip out the eyeballs, put them on rocks, burn the genitals, hack and slash at the body or shoot a dozen arrows into it.
(At Little Bighorn this did occur. After the battle the women sought revenge against the soldiers corpses. Hate and fear are very powerful. This would also explain the vast number of gold teeth imported to the U.S. by our boys returning home from the Pacific theater during WWII.)

They would gang rape any white woman they caught. Children were often and usually murdered, and NOT taken prisoner.
(We never did that to them?)

They were a warrior race and made war until utterly defeated.
(The Nez Perce ran until they could run no more. They were starving, freezing to death, out numbered and outgunned. Our fear of their differences made them a warrior race. Our attrocities against them forced them to fight back. The Lakota language had no word for enemy, only stranger.)


They were also hiding arms at Wounded Knee.
(Maybe one or two, certainly not a cache of modern weapons. Definately not a threat to the 7th Cav. Someone lost their mud in the heat of the moment and many innocents were slaughtered as a result.)

There are several mass massacres by Indians against whites in the history of the Colonies and the United States where hundreds of whites, men, woman, children, unarmed or armed were killed to the last man woman and child. (Several.)

Go rent the movie Last of the Mohicans and see what an Indian massacre was like against unarmed whites after an "honorable" surrender.
(While you're at it rent "Dances with Wolves" and take a good look at a beautiful, loving people that were all but wiped from the face of the earth because of fear, hate, and greed.)

It is very accurate history.
(I will leave you with some accurate history that I want you to think about the next time you sit down to your Thanksgiving feast.) Wake up! Griz

THE REAL STORY OF THANKSGIVING

by Susan Bates


Most of us associate the holiday with happy Pilgrims
and Indians sitting down to a big feast. And that
did happen - once.

The story began in 1614 when a band of English
explorers sailed home to England with a ship full
of Patuxet Indians bound for slavery. They left
behind smallpox which virtually wiped out those who
had escaped. By the time the Pilgrims arrived in
Massachusetts Bay they found only one living Patuxet
Indian, a man named Squanto who had survived slavery
in England and knew their language. He taught them
to grow corn and to fish, and negotiated a peace
treaty between the Pilgrims and the Wampanoag
Nation. At the end of their first year, the Pilgrims
held a great feast honoring Squanto and the
Wampanoags.

But as word spread in England about the paradise to
be found in the new world, religious zealots called
Puritans began arriving by the boat load. Finding no
fences around the land, they considered it to be in
the public domain. Joined by other British settlers,
they seized land, capturing strong young Natives for
slaves and killing the rest. But the Pequot Nation
had not agreed to the peace treaty Squanto had
negotiated and they fought back. The Pequot War was
one of the bloodiest Indian wars ever fought.

In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over
700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had
gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which
is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn
hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by
English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to
come outside. Those who came out were shot or
clubbed to death while the terrified women and
children who huddled inside the longhouse were
burned alive. The next day the governor of the
Massachusetts Bay Colony declared "A Day Of
Thanksgiving" because 700 unarmed men, women and
children had been murdered.

Cheered by their "victory", the brave colonists and
their Indian allies attacked village after village.
Women and children over 14 were sold into slavery
while the rest were murdered. Boats loaded with a
many as 500 slaves regularly left the ports of New
England. Bounties were paid for Indian scalps to
encourage as many deaths as possible.

Following an especially successful raid against the
Pequot in what is now Stamford, Connecticut, the
churches announced a second day of "thanksgiving" to
celebrate victory over the heathen savages. During
the feasting, the hacked off heads of Natives were
kicked through the streets like soccer balls. Even
the friendly Wampanoag did not escape the madness.
Their chief was beheaded, and his head impaled on a
pole in Plymouth, Massachusetts -- where it remained
on display for 24 years.

The killings became more and more frenzied, with
days of thanksgiving feasts being held after each
successful massacre. George Washington finally
suggested that only one day of Thanksgiving per year
be set aside instead of celebrating each and every
massacre. Later Abraham Lincoln decreed Thanksgiving
Day to be a legal national holiday during the Civil
War -- on the same day he ordered troops to march
against the starving Sioux in Minnesota.

This story doesn't have quite the same fuzzy
feelings associated with it as the one where the
Indians and Pilgrims are all sitting down together
at the big feast. But we need to learn our true
history so it won't ever be repeated. Next
Thanksgiving, when you gather with your loved ones
to Thank God for all your blessings, think about
those people who only wanted to live their lives and
raise their families. They, also took time out to
say "thank you" to Creator for all their blessings.

It is sad to think that this happened, but it is
important to understand all of the story and not
just the happy part. Today the town of Plymouth Rock
has a Thanksgiving ceremony each year in remembrance
of the first Thanksgiving. There are still Wampanoag
people living in Massachusetts. In 1970, they asked
one of them to speak at the ceremony to mark the
350th anniversary of the Pilgrim's arrival. Here is
part of what was said:

"Today is a time of celebrating for you -- a time of
looking back to the first days of white people in
America. But it is not a time of celebrating for me.
It is with a heavy heart that I look back upon what
happened to my People. When the Pilgrims arrived,
we, the Wampanoags, welcomed them with open arms,
little knowing that it was the beginning of the end.
That before 50 years were to pass, the Wampanoag
would no longer be a tribe. That we and other
Indians living near the settlers would be killed by
their guns or dead from diseases that we caught from
them. Let us always remember, the Indian is and was
just as human as the white people.

Although our way of life is almost gone, we, the
Wampanoags, still walk the lands of Massachusetts.
What has happened cannot be changed. But today we
work toward a better America, a more Indian America
where people and nature once again are important."
Graelwyn

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I read this book sometime ago, and it left me feeling very angry, pained and bitter.

However, for Indian history, I would prefer to go within myself than into books. The only book I currently read connected to all of this is 'Black Elk Speaks'. At least it is written by one who was around during those difficult times.

I subscribe to the view that it was human greed that bought about the atrocities of those wars...on the White Man's part. And nothing much has changed since.
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My Grandmother was Cherokee. She died when my Father was 2......while he was growing up...he was constantly reminded to speak english.......to act white and never tell anyone he was Cherokee. It broke his heart. Even as a young man he told people(employers)that he was Italian(he was called Tony). Before he died, he spoke often about the indian ways and how he worshipped in private, prayed alone and asked for forgiveness every day for denying his blood, his heritage. He did it to protect his family.....to insure that we were accepted and given a chance.

As a teenager, I learned all this and rebelled in some "not so good" ways. Now, I don't care what people think. I love the part of me that understands the earth, the cycles, the animals and the connection to spirit. I often "feel" my grandmother near...she guides me in many things. She nurtures "peace in all things" in my thoughts and dreams.

My Mother was French/British......I love all people, regardless of their race.....but I attribute my ability to feel this to my Indian DNA. It just seems to come with the territory.

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