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I have done some traveling (world), and have noticed that religious affiliation is generally a matter of geography. If born in Thailand, most likely are Buddhist. If born in the Middle East, most likely, Muslim. And to take this further, depending on the country, either Shite or Sunni. And if born in the US or other western countries, good chance you are Christian. But also a chance you are of another religion, since there is immigration and religious freedoms. Also in the US and west there is a growing number of "free thinkers". Those who may be spiritual, but view religion from a more intellectual or enlightened standpoint. So, christians, if you were born in the middle east,, I would put money on it that you would be Muslim. Most would probably deny such a thing though.
I personally have noticed that the "free thinkers" are due to the culture and from the fact that we are generally more educated. Whereas the less educated and less intelligent, seem to latch onto the traditional type religions. I once read that the majority of the top minds are either atheist or agnostic. Many of histories top minds and even founding fathers questioned and criticized the religious teachings of the day. So along with geography, I think education and inate intellectual capacity shapes our views on religion.
I attended christian schools most of my life, yet from an ealy age questioned its teachings. In the literal sense. For the most part, morally the teachings are good. I don't really like to catagorize my beliefs, but I am not christian, and try to view religion on a universal scope. I do believe there must be other intelligent life out there, and how does religion and the spiritual realm purtain to them. What holds back the spiritual evolution of man is the closed minded attitudes that are on earth.
I hear mention of the NWO, and how it wants to destroy chritanity. Honestly Im not sure what the NWO is. But, would the destruction of christianity and all of earth's outdated religions be a bad thing? Personally I think it would be a benifit to humanity that man view spirituality from a more universal perspective. Eliminating tradition, countries, geography, and even man and earth from the equation. Yet I think due to the intellctual capacity of most of humanity, this is an impossibilty.
Personally I think no world religion is correct. And being from a predomiately christian country and exposed to such, I am critical of christians. But not exclusively. But from my experience, many christians do seem to lack logic/intelligence and do seem to exhibit characteristics of "brainwashing".

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Lots to ponder about.
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Well, sir, religion is a man made phenomenon that has nothing to with Christ, who came to deliver us from religion. What you see internationally are people seeking God. Quite a few have yet to hear the gospel of Jesus. Though geography ha some significance, Jesus will reveal himself yo those have a heart to know him. I think you know, and scripture says that most will reject him, regardless of geography. The world rejects Christ, as you even seem to be s refection of that truth. Scripture tells us the path to destruction is wide, as many will not enter the narrow gate. We are told that until the gospel is heard in every corner of the world, Jesus will not return. Technology is quicly fulfilling that prophesy. The so called New World Order is man's attempt to establish a kingdom here on earth as scripture also warns us. The spiritual implication is Satan using man to ultimately worship him. The coming, and arrival of the anti-Christ is exactly that attempt (read Rev. 13). Jesus' telling us that "his Kingdom comes" is a warning to Satan (and men), that he conquered the world already.
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Well, sir, religion is a man made phenomenon that has nothing to with Christ, who came to deliver us from religion. What you see internationally are people seeking God. Quite a few have yet to hear the gospel of Jesus. Though geography ha some significance, Jesus will reveal himself yo those have a heart to know him. I think you know, and scripture says that most will reject him, regardless of geography. The world rejects Christ, as you even seem to be s refection of that truth. Scripture tells us the path to destruction is wide, as many will not enter the narrow gate. We are told that until the gospel is heard in every corner of the world, Jesus will not return. Technology is quicly fulfilling that prophesy. The so called New World Order is man's attempt to establish a kingdom here on earth as scripture also warns us. The spiritual implication is Satan using man to ultimately worship him. The coming, and arrival of the anti-Christ is exactly that attempt (read Rev. 13). Jesus' telling us that "his Kingdom comes" is a warning to Satan (and men), that he conquered the world already.
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In my opinion, this is the " brainwashed" attitude of religious types. Quoting from a book, written by humans. And from some coiincidental history, reflects myths that predate it. If there was some historical records and facts that jesus was a real person, i would be more inclined to believe. Well probably not, since christanity is so limitied when you take into account the scope of the universe. Your response is "typical" and both hilarious and sad at the same time
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Well, sir, religion is a man made phenomenon that has nothing to with Christ, who came to deliver us from religion. What you see internationally are people seeking God. Quite a few have yet to hear the gospel of Jesus. Though geography ha some significance, Jesus will reveal himself yo those have a heart to know him. I think you know, and scripture says that most will reject him, regardless of geography. The world rejects Christ, as you even seem to be s refection of that truth. Scripture tells us the path to destruction is wide, as many will not enter the narrow gate. We are told that until the gospel is heard in every corner of the world, Jesus will not return. Technology is quicly fulfilling that prophesy. The so called New World Order is man's attempt to establish a kingdom here on earth as scripture also warns us. The spiritual implication is Satan using man to ultimately worship him. The coming, and arrival of the anti-Christ is exactly that attempt (read Rev. 13). Jesus' telling us that "his Kingdom comes" is a warning to Satan (and men), that he conquered the world already.
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In my opinion, this is the " brainwashed" attitude of religious types. Quoting from a book, written by humans. And from some coiincidental history, reflects myths that predate it. If there was some historical records and facts that jesus was a real person, i would be more inclined to believe. Well probably not, since christanity is so limitied when you take into account the scope of the universe. Your response is "typical" and both hilarious and sad at the same time
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Brainwashed? Who is your allegeance to, sir? What do you believe happens after we die? Do you believe that lightening struck mud on a rock and sparked life? Do you believe the universe just happened? Do you paint yourself as insignificant in the universe, a glorified ape, if you will? If you believe that we are the result of dumb random forces, you are a braineashed fool. I'm a 50 year old man whose commuted himself to the seagull for truth, and I found it beyond a reasonable doubt. If Christ was not rissen from the dead, this life is futile. No one has ever disproven the empty tomb, not even the pagans.
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Well, sir, religion is a man made phenomenon that has nothing to with Christ, who came to deliver us from religion. What you see internationally are people seeking God. Quite a few have yet to hear the gospel of Jesus. Though geography ha some significance, Jesus will reveal himself yo those have a heart to know him. I think you know, and scripture says that most will reject him, regardless of geography. The world rejects Christ, as you even seem to be s refection of that truth. Scripture tells us the path to destruction is wide, as many will not enter the narrow gate. We are told that until the gospel is heard in every corner of the world, Jesus will not return. Technology is quicly fulfilling that prophesy. The so called New World Order is man's attempt to establish a kingdom here on earth as scripture also warns us. The spiritual implication is Satan using man to ultimately worship him. The coming, and arrival of the anti-Christ is exactly that attempt (read Rev. 13). Jesus' telling us that "his Kingdom comes" is a warning to Satan (and men), that he conquered the world already.
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In my opinion, this is the " brainwashed" attitude of religious types. Quoting from a book, written by humans. And from some coiincidental history, reflects myths that predate it. If there was some historical records and facts that jesus was a real person, i would be more inclined to believe. Well probably not, since christanity is so limitied when you take into account the scope of the universe. Your response is "typical" and both hilarious and sad at the same time
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Brainwashed? Who is your allegeance to, sir? What do you believe happens after we die? Do you believe that lightening struck mud on a rock and sparked life? Do you believe the universe just happened? Do you paint yourself as insignificant in the universe, a glorified ape, if you will? If you believe that we are the result of dumb random forces, you are a braineashed fool. I'm a 50 year old man whose commuted himself to the seagull for truth, and I found it beyond a reasonable doubt. If Christ was not rissen from the dead, this life is futile. No one has ever disproven the empty tomb, not even the pagans.
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I have allegence to myself, logic, and intelligence. And yes, I believe in evelution, like the majority of the educated planet. If one believes in evolution, that does not automatically say they do not believe in a higher power. If one refutes the evidence for evolution, one admits to brainwashing however. As being an insignificance in the universe, why yes I am rather insignificant. My significance may be true in gods eyes, but I think I am insignificant in the big picture.
Seagull for truth? Im impressed ;). Whatever that is.
If you believe that life is futile without the possibility that christ lived or died and was risen, maybe you should end it now, because there is more evidence he never lived than evidence he did live.
And the empty tomb? That is a story, no facts or evidence there even was a tomb for him to rise from.
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Brainwashed? Who is your allegeance to, sir? What do you believe happens after we die? Do you believe that lightening struck mud on a rock and sparked life? Do you believe the universe just happened? Do you paint yourself as insignificant in the universe, a glorified ape, if you will? If you believe that we are the result of dumb random forces, you are a braineashed fool. I'm a 50 year old man whose commuted himself to the seagull for truth, and I found it beyond a reasonable doubt. If Christ was not rissen from the dead, this life is futile. No one has ever disproven the empty tomb, not even the pagans.
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It is entirely possible to hypothesize a supreme creator that set the universe in motion and allowed it to evolve according to the rules it laid down, that has nothing to do with the Christ mythology. Rejecting the Jesus mythology and the god theory from which it is derived, does not negate the possibility of a divine spark. It is quite possible that the connections that you want us to believe, are specious.
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Brainwashed? Who is your allegeance to, sir? What do you believe happens after we die? Do you believe that lightening struck mud on a rock and sparked life? Do you believe the universe just happened? Do you paint yourself as insignificant in the universe, a glorified ape, if you will? If you believe that we are the result of dumb random forces, you are a braineashed fool. I'm a 50 year old man whose commuted himself to the seagull for truth, and I found it beyond a reasonable doubt. If Christ was not rissen from the dead, this life is futile. No one has ever disproven the empty tomb, not even the pagans.
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It is entirely possible to hypothesize a supreme creator that set the universe in motion and allowed it to evolve according to the rules it laid down, that has nothing to do with the Christ mythology. Rejecting the Jesus mythology and the god theory from which it is derived, does not negate the possibility of a divine spark. It is quite possible that the connections that you want us to believe, are specious.
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Yes, sir, it is possible, but there is one truth and it has a solution that has been told and proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Who would want a God that never discovered how it is to live amongst us, and like us. We have a God that connected with us, and woluld like to call us friend. I serve a God that has provided an opportunity for me to reside with him in eternity, not some disconnected God that wants no parts of me. Archoeology, witnesses and written testimony has provided enough proof to lead us on a path to discover the God of Abraham. Why would s man come here (after he'd been ptophsied, Is.53:3), profess to be God, perform miracles, teach folk
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Brainwashed? Who is your allegeance to, sir? What do you believe happens after we die? Do you believe that lightening struck mud on a rock and sparked life? Do you believe the universe just happened? Do you paint yourself as insignificant in the universe, a glorified ape, if you will? If you believe that we are the result of dumb random forces, you are a braineashed fool. I'm a 50 year old man whose commuted himself to the seagull for truth, and I found it beyond a reasonable doubt. If Christ was not rissen from the dead, this life is futile. No one has ever disproven the empty tomb, not even the pagans.
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It is entirely possible to hypothesize a supreme creator that set the universe in motion and allowed it to evolve according to the rules it laid down, that has nothing to do with the Christ mythology. Rejecting the Jesus mythology and the god theory from which it is derived, does not negate the possibility of a divine spark. It is quite possible that the connections that you want us to believe, are specious.
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Yes, sir, it is possible, but there is one truth and it has a solution that has been told and proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Who would want a God that never discovered how it is to live amongst us, and like us. We have a God that connected with us, and woluld like to call us friend. I serve a God that has provided an opportunity for me to reside with him in eternity, not some disconnected God that wants no parts of me. Archoeology, witnesses and written testimony has provided enough proof to lead us on a path to discover the God of Abraham. Why would s man come here (after he'd been ptophsied, Is.53:3), profess to be God, perform miracles, teach folk
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Why would anyone ever want a god that was so small that it had to live among its creation to understand it. Most people claim omniscience for their gods, at least an omniscient god would know everything. Many others claim omnipotence for their gods. Omnipotent gods do not need friends among its creations. Your god conception is weak and worthless.
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I think that is the problem with organized/traditional and spiritually lazy religious types. They only see things from a narrow minded , spoon fed way.
They disregard scientific studies for mytholgy. They pick and choose what "science" to trust. Disregard the formation of the universe, evolutition, etc,, yet trust science to save there life and transplant a pig valve onto their heart to save their life, etc.
And yes, many "christians" and other religious types think that if you choose to believe in the scientific explanation for life over the explanation offered and written by almost stoneage man thousands of years ago, you dont beleive in god. And futhermore if you dont beleive in jesus, you dont beleive in god.
I personally believe in a higher power, but I am humble enough to say I could not possibly know the extent of it, the true nature of life and reality. The scientific evidence is strong so I believe in evolution. I think there was a plan to it all. And evolution makes more sense than a stoneage myth that the universe was created in seven days. Or whatever the actual number of days that is stated.
Thus goes back to my original words. Im sure Christian commenters are most likely from the US or Europe. Thus getting to my point of geography and cultural tradition. And most likely they are of average intelligence.
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Brainwashed? Who is your allegeance to, sir? What do you believe happens after we die? Do you believe that lightening struck mud on a rock and sparked life? Do you believe the universe just happened? Do you paint yourself as insignificant in the universe, a glorified ape, if you will? If you believe that we are the result of dumb random forces, you are a braineashed fool. I'm a 50 year old man whose commuted himself to the seagull for truth, and I found it beyond a reasonable doubt. If Christ was not rissen from the dead, this life is futile. No one has ever disproven the empty tomb, not even the pagans.
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It is entirely possible to hypothesize a supreme creator that set the universe in motion and allowed it to evolve according to the rules it laid down, that has nothing to do with the Christ mythology. Rejecting the Jesus mythology and the god theory from which it is derived, does not negate the possibility of a divine spark. It is quite possible that the connections that you want us to believe, are specious.
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Yes, sir, it is possible, but there is one truth and it has a solution that has been told and proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Who would want a God that never discovered how it is to live amongst us, and like us. We have a God that connected with us, and woluld like to call us friend. I serve a God that has provided an opportunity for me to reside with him in eternity, not some disconnected God that wants no parts of me. Archoeology, witnesses and written testimony has provided enough proof to lead us on a path to discover the God of Abraham. Why would s man come here (after he'd been ptophsied, Is.53:3), profess to be God, perform miracles, teach folk
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"Yes, sir, it is possible, but there is one truth and it has a solution that has been told and proved beyond a reasonable doubt. "
This goes back to the intelligence thing,, nothing has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Not the existence of god, an afterlife. Not even that jesus was a real person, because there is no mention of him outside the bible, or even reference to other political figures in the bible. And despite 2000 years ago being quite primitive, there were some significant historians from that era. And the simililarities of the jesus story to other predating historical god sons is hard to deny.
The only truth is, is that we can do not know for certain the true nature of life.
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I think that is the problem with organized/traditional and spiritually lazy religious types. They only see things from a narrow minded , spoon fed way.
They disregard scientific studies for mytholgy. They pick and choose what "science" to trust. Disregard the formation of the universe, evolutition, etc,, yet trust science to save there life and transplant a pig valve onto their heart to save their life, etc.
And yes, many "christians" and other religious types think that if you choose to believe in the scientific explanation for life over the explanation offered and written by almost stoneage man thousands of years ago, you dont beleive in god. And futhermore if you dont beleive in jesus, you dont beleive in god.
I personally believe in a higher power, but I am humble enough to say I could not possibly know the extent of it, the true nature of life and reality. The scientific evidence is strong so I believe in evolution. I think there was a plan to it all. And evolution makes more sense than a stoneage myth that the universe was created in seven days. Or whatever the actual number of days that is stated.
Thus goes back to my original words. Im sure Christian commenters are most likely from the US or Europe. Thus getting to my point of geography and cultural tradition. And most likely they are of average intelligence.
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If one postulates a supreme being that created all, then the all it created contains everything observable and measurable by the scientific method. A person who rejects that-which-is, in favor of that-which-they-wish-to-believe is rejecting a part of that supreme being. From this we can deduce that the god image they have exists to satisfy a personal internal need the individual has.
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I hear mention of the NWO, and how it wants to destroy chritanity. Honestly Im not sure what the NWO is. But, would the destruction of christianity and all of earth's outdated religions be a bad thing? Personally I think it would be a benifit to humanity that man view spirituality from a more universal perspective.
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Hmm, a supposed educated person who never heard of Hitler, Stalin or Mao. Tried it already bro, things went to shit real fast.
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The problem with a good deal of atheists is that, in their eyes, Christianity is the enemy.

Where as Christians believe that tyrannical power and governments are the enemy. This world has had only a mere 200 some odd years of rising up out of serfdom and although uneducated folks will say otherwise; Our laws originate from Christianity itself.

Law is one of my deep interests and it never ceases to amaze me how language can be used so backwards that "good" = "bad" and so on and so forth. For example, when you are asked if you "understand" your rights... you are really being asked if you "stand under" your rights ie. forfeit them. Of course this may sound silly to the lay person but to truly understand these concepts of law we must study the words of our forefathers.

Up until 100 years ago, before television and such, you would find two things on EVERY SINGLE mantle: A reliable law dictionary and a King James bible. Every person worth their American salt made sure to study of both daily and it was this type of unadulterated attention to these studies that allowed us to squander our freedoms for lack of doing so today.

Here is an EXCELLENT video I HIGHLY recommend for Christians and Atheists alike:

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I hear mention of the NWO, and how it wants to destroy chritanity. Honestly Im not sure what the NWO is. But, would the destruction of christianity and all of earth's outdated religions be a bad thing? Personally I think it would be a benifit to humanity that man view spirituality from a more universal perspective.
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Hmm, a supposed educated person who never heard of Hitler, Stalin or Mao. Tried it already bro, things went to shit real fast.
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LOL thats amazing synchonicity that you said that RIGHT BEFORE I posted the video above. Watch it and you will know why I say so.
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If one postulates a supreme being that created all, then the all it created contains everything observable and measurable by the scientific method. A person who rejects that-which-is, in favor of that-which-they-wish-to-believe is rejecting a part of that supreme being. From this we can deduce that the god image they have exists to satisfy a personal internal need the individual has.


Belive in god is a big step and i do think it is a a personal and internal need. First, I think we all know physical death is a reality. And whether we admit it or not, most of us fear a " final" death. Physical and mental. A belief in god, gives us hope that beyond a our physical death there is life for our mind(soul). Is this proven? NO. As for myself, I think there is. Is the choice, heaven or hell. My opinion is no. I believe lives are an evolution of the soul, a ladder, or reincarnation. I accept that my beliefs are not provable. And odds are what I think may be true , probably isnt.
I think this differs from most religious types, in that they believe what they believe is the absolute truth. And it could be due to their personal need to "belong" and to satify their need to be "right".
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One of the best explanations I had ever heard were from an astral traveler.

The Creator was the God of Abraham and he made lots of rules, rules that very few could keep up with much less follow and destroyed us (think noah's flood and sodom) when we ticked him off.

The one we call The Father couldn't bear to see it, so he sent his only son to pay in blood for our souls from the Creator.

That is why the God of the old testament and Jesus' words were so different.

Jesus was about forgiveness.
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I hear mention of the NWO, and how it wants to destroy chritanity. Honestly Im not sure what the NWO is. But, would the destruction of christianity and all of earth's outdated religions be a bad thing? Personally I think it would be a benifit to humanity that man view spirituality from a more universal perspective.
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Hmm, a supposed educated person who never heard of Hitler, Stalin or Mao. Tried it already bro, things went to shit real fast.
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Of couse I have studied them in school. I am just saying I have heard that term used, yet I never bothered to educate myself on what that term meant.
I still believe the world would be better place without national borders or organized religion. Yet I dont think humans are ready for that. I think in the far future it will be realized though.
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And I'd add social class to that list.
It's very obvious that English -and American-protestantism is based on class warfare between a Norman elite and an Anglo Saxon peasantry.
Each claiming that the Bible validates their stance.
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I hear mention of the NWO, and how it wants to destroy chritanity. Honestly Im not sure what the NWO is. But, would the destruction of christianity and all of earth's outdated religions be a bad thing? Personally I think it would be a benifit to humanity that man view spirituality from a more universal perspective.
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Hmm, a supposed educated person who never heard of Hitler, Stalin or Mao. Tried it already bro, things went to shit real fast.
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Of couse I have studied them in school. I am just saying I have heard that term used, yet I never bothered to educate myself on what that term meant.
I still believe the world would be better place without national borders or organized religion. Yet I dont think humans are ready for that. I think in the far future it will be realized though.
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It will never happen. Basic human psychology dictates that man cannot govern himself without Christ. He is the balance to the equation.

Otherwise its a police state or anarchy.
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It's true the middle east and communist block nations are in a dark age and refuse to allow the Bible in.

Atheism is a NWO lie.
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I hear mention of the NWO, and how it wants to destroy chritanity. Honestly Im not sure what the NWO is. But, would the destruction of christianity and all of earth's outdated religions be a bad thing? Personally I think it would be a benifit to humanity that man view spirituality from a more universal perspective.
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Hmm, a supposed educated person who never heard of Hitler, Stalin or Mao. Tried it already bro, things went to shit real fast.
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Of couse I have studied them in school. I am just saying I have heard that term used, yet I never bothered to educate myself on what that term meant.
I still believe the world would be better place without national borders or organized religion. Yet I dont think humans are ready for that. I think in the far future it will be realized though.
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It will never happen. Basic human psychology dictates that man cannot govern himself without Christ. He is the balance to the equation.
I do believe it would probably never happen in the near future. But man grows and evolves.
Man cannot govern himself without christ?? Really. The majority of the world is not christian. That statement, to me, and it just may be only me,, but that doesnt make sense.
I think a world without outdated religions would be the "balance to the equation".
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Hmm, a supposed educated person who never heard of Hitler, Stalin or Mao. Tried it already bro, things went to shit real fast.
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Of couse I have studied them in school. I am just saying I have heard that term used, yet I never bothered to educate myself on what that term meant.
I still believe the world would be better place without national borders or organized religion. Yet I dont think humans are ready for that. I think in the far future it will be realized though.
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It will never happen. Basic human psychology dictates that man cannot govern himself without Christ. He is the balance to the equation.
I do believe it would probably never happen in the near future. But man grows and evolves.
Man cannot govern himself without christ?? Really. The majority of the world is not christian. That statement, to me, and it just may be only me,, but that doesnt make sense.
I think a world without outdated religions would be the "balance to the equation".
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And most of the un-Christian world is a police state or anarchy.
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If one postulates a supreme being that created all, then the all it created contains everything observable and measurable by the scientific method. A person who rejects that-which-is, in favor of that-which-they-wish-to-believe is rejecting a part of that supreme being. From this we can deduce that the god image they have exists to satisfy a personal internal need the individual has.
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Belive in god is a big step and i do think it is a a personal and internal need. First, I think we all know physical death is a reality. And whether we admit it or not, most of us fear a " final" death. Physical and mental. A belief in god, gives us hope that beyond a our physical death there is life for our mind(soul). Is this proven? NO. As for myself, I think there is. Is the choice, heaven or hell. My opinion is no. I believe lives are an evolution of the soul, a ladder, or reincarnation. I accept that my beliefs are not provable. And odds are what I think may be true , probably isnt.
I think this differs from most religious types, in that they believe what they believe is the absolute truth. And it could be due to their personal need to "belong" and to satify their need to be "right".


I thought we were going to make a breakthrough there until you said "reincarnation" which is a fallacy.

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wtf the above post got screwed up... My post only said the last sentence "I thought we were going to make a breakthrough..."
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If one postulates a supreme being that created all, then the all it created contains everything observable and measurable by the scientific method. A person who rejects that-which-is, in favor of that-which-they-wish-to-believe is rejecting a part of that supreme being. From this we can deduce that the god image they have exists to satisfy a personal internal need the individual has.
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Belive in god is a big step and i do think it is a a personal and internal need. First, I think we all know physical death is a reality. And whether we admit it or not, most of us fear a " final" death. Physical and mental. A belief in god, gives us hope that beyond a our physical death there is life for our mind(soul). Is this proven? NO. As for myself, I think there is. Is the choice, heaven or hell. My opinion is no. I believe lives are an evolution of the soul, a ladder, or reincarnation. I accept that my beliefs are not provable. And odds are what I think may be true , probably isnt.
I think this differs from most religious types, in that they believe what they believe is the absolute truth. And it could be due to their personal need to "belong" and to satify their need to be "right".

SORRY ABOUT ABOVE 2 POSTS... We all know how dense GLP readers are so I felt the need to fix my post to include your quote... don't want people to think I believe in that nonsense! hehe

MY REPLY TO ABOVE QUOTE: I thought we were going to make a breakthrough there until you said "reincarnation" which is a fallacy. See this video:

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I've only been posting here a week and the bugs are ridiculous... hopefully they get fixed, can't even have a dilineated conversation for goodness sake
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I hear mention of the NWO, and how it wants to destroy chritanity. Honestly Im not sure what the NWO is. But, would the destruction of christianity and all of earth's outdated religions be a bad thing? Personally I think it would be a benifit to humanity that man view spirituality from a more universal perspective.
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Hmm, a supposed educated person who never heard of Hitler, Stalin or Mao. Tried it already bro, things went to shit real fast.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20769694


Of couse I have studied them in school. I am just saying I have heard that term used, yet I never bothered to educate myself on what that term meant.
I still believe the world would be better place without national borders or organized religion. Yet I dont think humans are ready for that. I think in the far future it will be realized though.
 Quoting: jeffkino


It will never happen. Basic human psychology dictates that man cannot govern himself without Christ. He is the balance to the equation.

Otherwise its a police state or anarchy.
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The majority of the world is not christian. So saying people cannot govern without christ is ridiculous to me. However at the core, I think "Christian Values" are not a bad thing for society. Blind faith is a bad thing IMO. To balance the equation all organized religion should not exist.
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Hmm, a supposed educated person who never heard of Hitler, Stalin or Mao. Tried it already bro, things went to shit real fast.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20769694


Of couse I have studied them in school. I am just saying I have heard that term used, yet I never bothered to educate myself on what that term meant.
I still believe the world would be better place without national borders or organized religion. Yet I dont think humans are ready for that. I think in the far future it will be realized though.
 Quoting: jeffkino


It will never happen. Basic human psychology dictates that man cannot govern himself without Christ. He is the balance to the equation.

Otherwise its a police state or anarchy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20769694




The majority of the world is not christian. So saying people cannot govern without christ is ridiculous to me.
 Quoting: jeffkino


Have you look around lately? There are 25,000 children dying of starvation daily and 75% of the world lives in absolute poverty due to these few immoral godless new world order types.
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Of couse I have studied them in school. I am just saying I have heard that term used, yet I never bothered to educate myself on what that term meant.
I still believe the world would be better place without national borders or organized religion. Yet I dont think humans are ready for that. I think in the far future it will be realized though.
 Quoting: jeffkino


It will never happen. Basic human psychology dictates that man cannot govern himself without Christ. He is the balance to the equation.

Otherwise its a police state or anarchy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20769694




The majority of the world is not christian. So saying people cannot govern without christ is ridiculous to me.
 Quoting: jeffkino


Have you look around lately? There are 25,000 children dying of starvation daily and 75% of the world lives in absolute poverty due to these few immoral godless new world order types.
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As my man here said.

Look it up. And of course a police state is a form of governance. Said they are either a police state or anarchy.
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If one postulates a supreme being that created all, then the all it created contains everything observable and measurable by the scientific method. A person who rejects that-which-is, in favor of that-which-they-wish-to-believe is rejecting a part of that supreme being. From this we can deduce that the god image they have exists to satisfy a personal internal need the individual has.
 Quoting: jeffkino


Belive in god is a big step and i do think it is a a personal and internal need. First, I think we all know physical death is a reality. And whether we admit it or not, most of us fear a " final" death. Physical and mental. A belief in god, gives us hope that beyond a our physical death there is life for our mind(soul). Is this proven? NO. As for myself, I think there is. Is the choice, heaven or hell. My opinion is no. I believe lives are an evolution of the soul, a ladder, or reincarnation. I accept that my beliefs are not provable. And odds are what I think may be true , probably isnt.
I think this differs from most religious types, in that they believe what they believe is the absolute truth. And it could be due to their personal need to "belong" and to satify their need to be "right".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18013130


I thought we were going to make a breakthrough there until you said "reincarnation" which is a fallacy.




The majority of the world believes in reincarnation. Not that I really care what they believe in or others do. Life is a constant search and evolving of ideas for myself. It my path, vs. being told what to believe and blindly following something.
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