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Yesterday Obama signed a new act which restricts the First Ammendment, overruling 2011 Supreme Court verdict!

 
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Every single one of you whom support this are the people in this ditch.

You fucking morons.

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Europe BANNED Westboro members to even step foot in their country. They take it seriously, so why do we let these assholes continue to harrass our families and then sue them when they fight back? Did you know that is part of how they make their money? They have won several legal cases because they are sue-happy fucks... look it up.
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I CANNOT BELIEVE THE PURE INHUMANITY OF PROTESTING AT A FUNERAL WHEN THERE IS ALREADY SUCH GREAT PAIN AND SUFFERING.
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Europe BANNED Westboro members to even step foot in their country. They take it seriously, so why do we let these assholes continue to harrass our families and then sue them when they fight back? Did you know that is part of how they make their money? They have won several legal cases because they are sue-happy fucks... look it up.
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Europe is a bunch of lily-livered, politically correct, cowardly douchebags.

I don't want to be Europe.

"MOMMY, HIM HURT MY FEEWINGS! PUT HIM IN JAIL!!!"
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Every single one of you whom support this are the people in this ditch.

You fucking morons.

:gunlaws:
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So when are you gonna attack you some army mens wiff ur gunnzzz??

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freedom of speech was created to restrict us from getting in trouble when we talk about the government. we can say anything we want about the government, but not about other people that are not in the government or in the government agency of sorts. those who created our constitution wrote the bill of rights with really wierd words that could be taken many different ways. but there is only one meaning. just like the second amendment of right to bear arms is in a regulated militia, meaning like our national guard. not that anyone can have it.
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you are a lickspittle.
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For Guns issue read FEDERAL register there is EXPLAINED and defined ...

And to make a point of free speech , Obama is an INLEGAL ALIEN , AN USURPER a fraudulently elected president, He is a GAY bitch ....

And the next president will not be better as THEy all SERVE WALL STREET bankers !

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Every single one of you whom support this are the people in this ditch.

You fucking morons.

gunlaws
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So when are you gonna attack you some army mens wiff ur gunnzzz??

1dunno1
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Army mens ain't hurt me or mine yet.

If they decide they don't like my public criticism of them and come sneakin over my fence one night, then it's on like Donkey Kong.
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Europe BANNED Westboro members to even step foot in their country. They take it seriously, so why do we let these assholes continue to harrass our families and then sue them when they fight back? Did you know that is part of how they make their money? They have won several legal cases because they are sue-happy fucks... look it up.
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Europe is a bunch of lily-livered, politically correct, cowardly douchebags.

I don't want to be Europe.

"MOMMY, HIM HURT MY FEEWINGS! PUT HIM IN JAIL!!!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


LOL!

Too late, and your millions of guns and ammo has done FUCK ALL!

"Yay! 2nd amendment!!! FREEEEEEEEEEEEDUUUUM!!"
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tard

TSA AGENT: "Uh, sir, please let me stick my fingers up your bunghole before you board the plane"
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agent

"OOOOOKKKAAAYY! BUTS I STILL GOTS ME MUH GUNNIEZZZ!!!!"
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tard
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Europe BANNED Westboro members to even step foot in their country. They take it seriously, so why do we let these assholes continue to harrass our families and then sue them when they fight back? Did you know that is part of how they make their money? They have won several legal cases because they are sue-happy fucks... look it up.
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Europe is a bunch of lily-livered, politically correct, cowardly douchebags.

I don't want to be Europe.

"MOMMY, HIM HURT MY FEEWINGS! PUT HIM IN JAIL!!!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


You wouldn't be saying that if it was YOUR son's funeral they picket... calling your dead kid a fag!
And then sue you when you fight back... you really think that is OK??
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They only have a problem with Free Speech if it's in public.
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Europe BANNED Westboro members to even step foot in their country. They take it seriously, so why do we let these assholes continue to harrass our families and then sue them when they fight back? Did you know that is part of how they make their money? They have won several legal cases because they are sue-happy fucks... look it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21323143


Europe is a bunch of lily-livered, politically correct, cowardly douchebags.

I don't want to be Europe.

"MOMMY, HIM HURT MY FEEWINGS! PUT HIM IN JAIL!!!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


LOL!

Too late, and your millions of guns and ammo has done FUCK ALL!

"Yay! 2nd amendment!!! FREEEEEEEEEEEEDUUUUM!!"
\
tard

TSA AGENT: "Uh, sir, please let me stick my fingers up your bunghole before you board the plane"
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agent

"OOOOOKKKAAAYY! BUTS I STILL GOTS ME MUH GUNNIEZZZ!!!!"
\
tard
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12444317


As opposed to you?

Do you support limiting free speech and gun ownership to only those that agree with your politics, while you also spread your cheeks willingly for the TSA?

Cuz I seen you do shit except troll the 'net, coward.
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Just my thinking on how the High Court will view this.

Sense the State has already put a restriction on where the Protesters can protest, making it imposable for the protester to occupy the same space as the event they are protesting. The State can not then further restrict the protesters as to the time of the protest.

If the High Court allows the State to restrict the time a protest my take place around an event there will be nothing to stop the State from expanding the time limit to 30 days, or 60, or 100, and so forth until it's completely not relevant to the time and place the protest and the event are taking place.

While some may argue that the State had no right to restrict how close the protest could be to the event be protested, one must apply reason, you can't have the KKK and the NAACP occupying the same space at the same time, for reasons of pubic safety. So a 300' buffer zone is not unreasonable, however allowing the KKK to march on an event and telling the NAACP they'll have to wait 2 hr. after the event has passed and then telling yet another group they'll have to wait until the next day falls outside the scope of reason.

I know in this case it's only Westboro, so that only means that the police should have less trouble keeping order.

The High Court was specific:

“Speech is powerful,” Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote for the majority. “It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain.”

But under the First Amendment, he went on, “we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker.” Instead, the national commitment to free speech, he said, requires protection of “even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate.”


While the messages on the signs carried by its members “may fall short of refined social or political commentary,” he wrote, “the issues they highlight — the political and moral conduct of the United States and its citizens, the fate of our nation, homosexuality in the military and scandals involving the Catholic clergy — are matters of public import.”

Second, the members of the church “had the right to be where they were.” They were picketing on a public street 1,000 feet from the site of the funeral; they complied with the law and with instructions from the police, and they protested quietly and without violence.

“Any distress occasioned by Westboro’s picketing turned on the content and viewpoint of the message conveyed,” Chief Justice Roberts wrote, “rather than any interference with the funeral itself.”

All of that means, the chief justice wrote, that the protesters’ speech “cannot be restricted simply because it is upsetting or arouses contempt.”
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Europe BANNED Westboro members to even step foot in their country. They take it seriously, so why do we let these assholes continue to harrass our families and then sue them when they fight back? Did you know that is part of how they make their money? They have won several legal cases because they are sue-happy fucks... look it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21323143


Europe is a bunch of lily-livered, politically correct, cowardly douchebags.

I don't want to be Europe.

"MOMMY, HIM HURT MY FEEWINGS! PUT HIM IN JAIL!!!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


You wouldn't be saying that if it was YOUR son's funeral they picket... calling your dead kid a fag!
And then sue you when you fight back... you really think that is OK??
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The next step is outlawing Occutards from protesting within city limits because they disrupt commerce. You okay with that??
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They dont want u protesting the war because u know its all pointless and fills someones bank account.

What has this world come to. My gosh we better start waking up and doing something.

You gotta understand, once its in the law books, it will continue to remain in it. Give ur guns away, and u will never get it back.
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Europe BANNED Westboro members to even step foot in their country. They take it seriously, so why do we let these assholes continue to harrass our families and then sue them when they fight back? Did you know that is part of how they make their money? They have won several legal cases because they are sue-happy fucks... look it up.
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Europe is a bunch of lily-livered, politically correct, cowardly douchebags.

I don't want to be Europe.

"MOMMY, HIM HURT MY FEEWINGS! PUT HIM IN JAIL!!!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


You wouldn't be saying that if it was YOUR son's funeral they picket... calling your dead kid a fag!
And then sue you when you fight back... you really think that is OK??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21323143


The next step is outlawing Occutards from protesting within city limits because they disrupt commerce. You okay with that??
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


The post says it only applies to MILITARY FUNERALS... if he wanted to stop protesting in general he would have been more vague like he has been in the past with the NDAA
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Europe BANNED Westboro members to even step foot in their country. They take it seriously, so why do we let these assholes continue to harrass our families and then sue them when they fight back? Did you know that is part of how they make their money? They have won several legal cases because they are sue-happy fucks... look it up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21323143


Europe is a bunch of lily-livered, politically correct, cowardly douchebags.

I don't want to be Europe.

"MOMMY, HIM HURT MY FEEWINGS! PUT HIM IN JAIL!!!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


You wouldn't be saying that if it was YOUR son's funeral they picket... calling your dead kid a fag!
And then sue you when you fight back... you really think that is OK??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21323143


The next step is outlawing Occutards from protesting within city limits because they disrupt commerce. You okay with that??
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


We don't care how they do things in Europe, that's why our Founding Fathers fought Wars and gave us a Constitution to Free us from the way they do things in Europe.


Real Christians know that Westboro's signs and slanders can't hurt anything, it's just mindless Jackassary. They only do it to get the Media, if the Camera's stop showing up, so will they.

That's how they raise $money$.

Westboro, the KKK, and the New Black Panther Party, all the same ilk, but all protected under our First Amendment. They are protected now, so that we are protected later.
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NO matter how despicable I find Westboro and their silly world view, I know full well that it is their right to make themselves look like complete assholes...

Limit them, and you limit everyone...

This law will fall to the first constitutional challenge...
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Europe is a bunch of lily-livered, politically correct, cowardly douchebags.

I don't want to be Europe.

"MOMMY, HIM HURT MY FEEWINGS! PUT HIM IN JAIL!!!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


You wouldn't be saying that if it was YOUR son's funeral they picket... calling your dead kid a fag!
And then sue you when you fight back... you really think that is OK??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21323143


The next step is outlawing Occutards from protesting within city limits because they disrupt commerce. You okay with that??
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


The post says it only applies to MILITARY FUNERALS... if he wanted to stop protesting in general he would have been more vague like he has been in the past with the NDAA
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It pertains to funerals of current or former military, and then also extends to the dwellings of direct family members from how I interpreted it.
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President Barack Obama signed the Honoring America’s Veterans and Caring for Camp Lejeune Families Act of 2012 into law on Monday, providing a wide-ranging package of benefits to military personnel and enacting new restrictions on protests of service member funerals.

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Under the new legislation, protests must be held at least 300 feet from military funerals and are prohibited two hours before or after a service. The law counters a 2011 Supreme Court ruling, which found that displays such as Westboro's were protected under the First Amendment.


More at [link to www.huffingtonpost.com]


Violations are punishable by a fine and up to a year in jail.

“The graves of our veterans are hallowed ground, and obviously we all defend our Constitution and the First Amendment and free speech,” Obama said at the White House ceremony Monday. “But we also believe that when men and women die in the service of their country and are laid to rest, it should be done with the utmost honor and respect.”


[link to www.dodbuzz.com]




Now on the surface, it sounds like a good thing as Westboro is DISGUSTING...however, the Supreme Court did rule they were completely within their rights to protest.




An 8-to-1 majority affirmed a lower court judgment that threw out damages awarded to Albert Snyder, who first sued the church for emotional distress he endured after it protested at his son's funeral. His son, Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, died in Iraq in 2006.

Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the majority, said today's ruling is a narrow decision, dealing strictly with Westboro's picketing activity.

"Speech is powerful," Roberts wrote. "It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and -- as it did here -- inflict great pain."

"On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker. As a nation we have chosen a different course -- to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate," he said. "That choice requires that we shield Westboro from tort liability for its picketing in this case."

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What concerns me is that this may be a "foot in the door", first they outlaw what most would be considered unappealing, and then in the future what they would deem unacceptable. This isn't just Obama's doing, since Congress obviously helped, but I just hope this won't be used to restrict freedom of speech further in the future.
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Chick Fil A basicly banned from doing business in Chicago according to Rahm Emanuel for being a Baptist who actually lives up to his proclaimed beliefs.

This is merely the beginning of a new outlook in the world. Adjust to it.
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Good! Fuck Westboro and their kind.
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This was introduced by a republican and cosponsored by three more then voted upon by both sides of the aisle.
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Europe is a bunch of lily-livered, politically correct, cowardly douchebags.

I don't want to be Europe.

"MOMMY, HIM HURT MY FEEWINGS! PUT HIM IN JAIL!!!"
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


You wouldn't be saying that if it was YOUR son's funeral they picket... calling your dead kid a fag!
And then sue you when you fight back... you really think that is OK??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21323143


The next step is outlawing Occutards from protesting within city limits because they disrupt commerce. You okay with that??
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


The post says it only applies to MILITARY FUNERALS... if he wanted to stop protesting in general he would have been more vague like he has been in the past with the NDAA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21323143


So, you're all in favor of free speech, as long you agree with the speech.

I think protesting at a dead kid's funeral is about as low as you can go. and I believe the Westboro Baptists are just a bunch of Leftist provocateurs, all of whom I'd love to punch in the mouth. But, assholes are still supposed to have the right to their opinions, even if they're completely manufactured and politically motivated opinions.
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Occupy has at least on one occasion been told where they can stand in a public area and how many of them can stand there. Aren't these people ruining funerals? What is the point of that?
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Occupy has at least on one occasion been told where they can stand in a public area and how many of them can stand there. Aren't these people ruining funerals? What is the point of that?
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Occupy, doesn't have a stated message.

You have the Right to Protest your Government for?

Redress of Grievances.

Occupy is, by their own admission, not protesting, they are?

Occupying!

You don't have a Right to Occupy a Pubic or Private space.
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Are you a member of Westboro?
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Nope, nor do I agree with their statements HOWEVER I just worry about this being a foot in the door to restrict free speech in other ways.
 Quoting: Laura Bow


So says those who yell fire..
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John Stuart Mill was a great man. Look into him.

"sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."
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Occupy is definitely protesting but until they organize we don't know who is behind them. Is it the Koch brothers? Or is it the people of the country that have lost so much?
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This was introduced by a republican and cosponsored by three more then voted upon by both sides of the aisle.
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Yep, just shows that both parties are more than happy to trample on protected rights...
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You wouldn't be saying that if it was YOUR son's funeral they picket... calling your dead kid a fag!
And then sue you when you fight back... you really think that is OK??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21323143


The next step is outlawing Occutards from protesting within city limits because they disrupt commerce. You okay with that??
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


The post says it only applies to MILITARY FUNERALS... if he wanted to stop protesting in general he would have been more vague like he has been in the past with the NDAA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21323143


So, you're all in favor of free speech, as long you agree with the speech.

I think protesting at a dead kid's funeral is about as low as you can go. and I believe the Westboro Baptists are just a bunch of Leftist provocateurs, all of whom I'd love to punch in the mouth. But, assholes are still supposed to have the right to their opinions, even if they're completely manufactured and politically motivated opinions.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


Your not allowed to go into a restaurant and shit in someone's soup... you would get arrested for "trying to make a statement" so what I am saying it is unacceptable to harrass people no matter what you are trying to say and families should be allowed to call the cops when they are being harrassed at a private funeral by these fukwads... IT IS 100% HARRASSMENT THAT WAS BEING PROTECTED.
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PROOF that Westboro were shilling for the feds all along!

I fucking knew it! and told everyone, yet no one believed me.

Westboro church was paid to cause extreme views and get reactions making it seem "ok" to pass some 1st Amend. restrictions.

Westboro is just too fucking organized and tight knit to be anything but a gov't op.
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Bah....thinking of it....If this "cherch" disappear or "readjust" in next few yars....you totally right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21465022


Yea, but it specifically says "military funerals". If this church disappears, this kind of behavior STILL shouldn't be allowed to happen at military funerals.

There are exceptions and limitations on your first ammendment rights already. This is another one. A good one.
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I can understand the sentiment that this is a government restriction on free speech, and it could be looked at that way.

But I've had friends and relatives die before. I've been to the cemetery. The pastor/priest has said a eulogy over the coffin. If he was drowned out by a group of people 50 ft. away yelling that the dead was a murderer, I know what my reaction would be. And I wouldn't be attending the second funeral.

There are some things decent people don't do. There are some areas that are off limits. This is a good example.

This benefits both the grieving and the Westboro congregation. The grieving deserve to be left alone. Casualties among the Westboro congregation are prevented.

 Quoting: Poriwoggu


the dead don't care, they go nothing to worry about


the only person it bothers is you, go punch them out,
get over it

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