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Every time I try to discuss World War 2 and the Holocaust...
I am bombarded by claims of thousands of survivor testimonies offered as proof that it happened. I do not doubt that many things happened but I have trouble with the entire concept of the gas chambers.

I will not go into detail as to why, but that has always been a sticking point for me.

So to those of you who support the gas chamber story...can you point me to survivor testimonies that deal specifically with them? I am not interested in generalizations of suffering, I want specifics regarding the use of gas chambers as a method of killing.
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its called mustard gas, google it.
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its called mustard gas, google it.
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I think you have the wrong war.
Mustard Gas was used in the first World War.
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LOL you already have 1 shit star.
do you not know glp is full of jewish people OP?
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LOL you already have 1 shit star.
do you not know glp is full of jewish people OP?
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Then it should be easy to fulfill my request, wouldn't you say?
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its called mustard gas, google it.
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I think you have the wrong war.
Mustard Gas was used in the first World War.
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my bad

At Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka - carbon monoxide.
Hydrocyanic acid in a Zyklon B base - Auschwitz and Majdanek.

All other camps used carbon monoxide.
Zyklon-B, a cyanide compound developed for the purpose of inexpensively delousing clothes. It came in cans in the form of pellets. When the pellets came into contact with air, heat and water they gave off hydrogen cyanide gas. The designers of Zyklon-B had never anticipated its use on people.

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Re: Every time I try to discuss World War 2 and the Holocaust...
its called mustard gas, google it.
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I think you have the wrong war.
Mustard Gas was used in the first World War.
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my bad

At Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka - carbon monoxide.
Hydrocyanic acid in a Zyklon B base - Auschwitz and Majdanek.

All other camps used carbon monoxide.
Zyklon-B, a cyanide compound developed for the purpose of inexpensively delousing clothes. It came in cans in the form of pellets. When the pellets came into contact with air, heat and water they gave off hydrogen cyanide gas. The designers of Zyklon-B had never anticipated its use on people.

Read more: [link to wiki.answers.com]
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I appreciate your efforts but that is not what I asked.
I specifically requested survivor testimonies relating to the use of gas chambers. In other words I am looking for eyewitness accounts that supporters claim are in abundance .
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"A Historian" and holocaust denier.

LOL, see what you did there.
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"A Historian" and holocaust denier.

LOL, see what you did there.
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Where did I say I deny anything?
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Re: Every time I try to discuss World War 2 and the Holocaust...
hello Sir Schmuck of the Holy order of Retarded Knights,

you wont find any testimonies of the gas chambers because EVERYONE DIED WHO WENT INTO THEM.

Sincerely,

a non-tard.



I am bombarded by claims of thousands of survivor testimonies offered as proof that it happened. I do not doubt that many things happened but I have trouble with the entire concept of the gas chambers.

I will not go into detail as to why, but that has always been a sticking point for me.

So to those of you who support the gas chamber story...can you point me to survivor testimonies that deal specifically with them? I am not interested in generalizations of suffering, I want specifics regarding the use of gas chambers as a method of killing.
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hello Sir Schmuck of the Holy order of Retarded Knights,

you wont find any testimonies of the gas chambers because EVERYONE DIED WHO WENT INTO THEM.

Sincerely,

a non-tard.



I am bombarded by claims of thousands of survivor testimonies offered as proof that it happened. I do not doubt that many things happened but I have trouble with the entire concept of the gas chambers.

I will not go into detail as to why, but that has always been a sticking point for me.

So to those of you who support the gas chamber story...can you point me to survivor testimonies that deal specifically with them? I am not interested in generalizations of suffering, I want specifics regarding the use of gas chambers as a method of killing.
 Quoting: A_Historian

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2094322


If there are no testimonies that support the allegations re: gas chambers, how can their authenticity be verified?

And you are wrong, several have claimed to have survived the gas chambers. Moshe Peer for one, comes immediately to mind.
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Re: Every time I try to discuss World War 2 and the Holocaust...
hello Sir Schmuck of the Holy order of Retarded Knights,

you wont find any testimonies of the gas chambers because EVERYONE DIED WHO WENT INTO THEM.

Sincerely,

a non-tard.



I am bombarded by claims of thousands of survivor testimonies offered as proof that it happened. I do not doubt that many things happened but I have trouble with the entire concept of the gas chambers.

I will not go into detail as to why, but that has always been a sticking point for me.

So to those of you who support the gas chamber story...can you point me to survivor testimonies that deal specifically with them? I am not interested in generalizations of suffering, I want specifics regarding the use of gas chambers as a method of killing.
 Quoting: A_Historian

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2094322


If there are no testimonies that support the allegations re: gas chambers, how can their authenticity be verified?

And you are wrong, several have claimed to have survived the gas chambers. Moshe Peer for one, comes immediately to mind.
 Quoting: A_Historian


There have been nazis who admitted to it, and have been tried for their crimes.
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Re: Every time I try to discuss World War 2 and the Holocaust...
hello Sir Schmuck of the Holy order of Retarded Knights,

you wont find any testimonies of the gas chambers because EVERYONE DIED WHO WENT INTO THEM.

Sincerely,

a non-tard.



I am bombarded by claims of thousands of survivor testimonies offered as proof that it happened. I do not doubt that many things happened but I have trouble with the entire concept of the gas chambers.

I will not go into detail as to why, but that has always been a sticking point for me.

So to those of you who support the gas chamber story...can you point me to survivor testimonies that deal specifically with them? I am not interested in generalizations of suffering, I want specifics regarding the use of gas chambers as a method of killing.
 Quoting: A_Historian

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2094322


If there are no testimonies that support the allegations re: gas chambers, how can their authenticity be verified?

And you are wrong, several have claimed to have survived the gas chambers. Moshe Peer for one, comes immediately to mind.
 Quoting: A_Historian


There have been nazis who admitted to it, and have been tried for their crimes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9566370


I see...
which Nazi's did you have in mind specifically?
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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There are no Gas Chamber Survivor Stories because NO ONE WHO WENT INTO THEM SURVIVED

What are we supposed to do, channel the ghosts and ask them?
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LOL you already have 1 shit star.
do you not know glp is full of jewish people OP?
n00b
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Then it should be easy to fulfill my request, wouldn't you say?
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good luck with that.
hf
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Wikipedia will not do.
Give me the names of those you claim admitted to the use of gas chambers.
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There are no Gas Chamber Survivor Stories because NO ONE WHO WENT INTO THEM SURVIVED

What are we supposed to do, channel the ghosts and ask them?
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Then why do you believe them to have existed?
History Channel?

And yes, there are those who claim to have been in gas chambers and survived.
I already gave one name.
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Wikipedia will not do.
Give me the names of those you claim admitted to the use of gas chambers.
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[link to www.nizkor.org]

Hers one, maybe you can do the research yourself next time.
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Wikipedia will not do.
Give me the names of those you claim admitted to the use of gas chambers.
 Quoting: A_Historian


[link to www.nizkor.org]

Hers one, maybe you can do the research yourself next time.
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I have done the research.
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hello Sir Schmuck of the Holy order of Retarded Knights,

you wont find any testimonies of the gas chambers because EVERYONE DIED WHO WENT INTO THEM.

Sincerely,

a non-tard.



I am bombarded by claims of thousands of survivor testimonies offered as proof that it happened. I do not doubt that many things happened but I have trouble with the entire concept of the gas chambers.

I will not go into detail as to why, but that has always been a sticking point for me.

So to those of you who support the gas chamber story...can you point me to survivor testimonies that deal specifically with them? I am not interested in generalizations of suffering, I want specifics regarding the use of gas chambers as a method of killing.
 Quoting: A_Historian

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2094322


If there are no testimonies that support the allegations re: gas chambers, how can their authenticity be verified?

And you are wrong, several have claimed to have survived the gas chambers. Moshe Peer for one, comes immediately to mind.
 Quoting: A_Historian


There is plenty of testimony from the "sonderkommandos" those people who removed the bodies from the gas chambers. Some of them survived although it was customary to gas them periodically and get new ones.

Towards the end as the Russians and Allies were closing in the pace of killing accelerated.
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There are no Gas Chamber Survivor Stories because NO ONE WHO WENT INTO THEM SURVIVED

What are we supposed to do, channel the ghosts and ask them?
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Then why do you believe them to have existed?
History Channel?

And yes, there are those who claim to have been in gas chambers and survived.
I already gave one name.
 Quoting: A_Historian


I never watch the history channel
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Did the Pope sell Zyklon B?

A good question - why and how could Pope John Paul II (Karol Wojtila) have sold Zyklon B during World War II when it was manufactured by a German firm? Why would Wojtila wish to do this, as he had a Jewish mother and are there documents to support this?

To answer these questions, let's have a look at a little history.

In the summer of 1938, Karol Wojtyla moved to Krakow in Poland where he enrolled at the Jagiellonian University. While studying such topics as philology and various languages at the university, he also did his compulsory military training. In 1939, Nazi Germany's occupation forces closed the University and from 1940 to 1944, Wojtila worked at various jobs including as a salesman for a particular chemical company.

The German I.G. Farben Industries Group (Interessen-Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie A.G.) had a branch and factory in Poland and the young (22 years old) Karol Wojtila worked for them in their sales department. They also ran Auschwitz Concentration Camp in Poland as well as manufacturing the gas used to kill the prisoners. As an aside, Prince Bernhard of Holland was also a Nazi sympathizer and was on the board of I. G. Farben for a short time. He was also on the board of the KLM Dutch airline that flew many of the high level Nazis to South America at the end of the war.

At one stage, Karol Wojtila even wore a military uniform (I would assume Polish Army). He can be seen in a group of soldiers with the rifle and bayonet in a book by William Cooper, ‘Behold a Pale Horse’, page 81, Light Technology Publications, Milton William Cooper, 1991. William Cooper was a former United States Naval Intelligence Officer, and wrote several very good books. He disclosed a number of secrets and Karol Wojtila receives a real pounding in a couple of them.

Karol Wojtila was elected Pope in 1978, being the only Polish Pope and the first non-Italian Pope for almost 600 years. He took the name John Paul II and held the position for 27 years until his death in 2005.
[link to www.articlesbase.com]




• The Vatican's Holocaust

The sensational account of the most horrifying religious massacre of the 20th century
By Avro Manhattan

Startling revelations of forced conversions, mass murder of non-Catholics, Catholic extermination camps, disclosures of Catholic clergy as commanders of concentration camps; documented with names, dates, places, pictures and eyewitness testimony.

[link to www.srpska-mreza.com]
[link to liberalslikechrist.org]
(video)
[link to www.archive.org]
[link to www.youtube.com]




Pope apologizes for 2000 years of anti-semitism

[link to transcripts.cnn.com]

[link to www.nytimes.com]



The real question is, why is OP still fighting WW II?
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Look into the Ukrainian Holocaust that claimed the lives of not 6 million Christians but 10 million.


There is a massive deception taking place. It is amazing how the most oppressed and slaughtered people managed to remain in the top positions of finance and media.

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There are no Gas Chamber Survivor Stories because NO ONE WHO WENT INTO THEM SURVIVED

What are we supposed to do, channel the ghosts and ask them?
 Quoting: The Fraud Buster


Then why do you believe them to have existed?
History Channel?

And yes, there are those who claim to have been in gas chambers and survived.
I already gave one name.
 Quoting: A_Historian


I never watch the history channel
 Quoting: The Fraud Buster


Fair enough.
Why then do you believe the Nazi's used gas chambers to kill human beings? We already know that there were no gas chambers in the Western Theatre under the command on Eisenhower. Even though the delousing chambers at camps such as Dachau were originally thought to be used on the prisoners, it turned out to be untrue. This was admitted to by Simon Weisenthal himself.

We are left with camps under Soviet control (Auschwitz et al) so it is up to you to decide whether you trust the Soviet version of events or not.

Keep in mind that it was the Russians who created "gas wagons" around the time of the First World War. and they admitted in 1989 that it was the Soviet NKVD who murdered the 14,000 Poles at Katyn although they blamed the Nazi's for it at the Nuremberg Trials.

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Did the Pope sell Zyklon B?

A good question - why and how could Pope John Paul II (Karol Wojtila) have sold Zyklon B during World War II when it was manufactured by a German firm? Why would Wojtila wish to do this, as he had a Jewish mother and are there documents to support this?

To answer these questions, let's have a look at a little history.

In the summer of 1938, Karol Wojtyla moved to Krakow in Poland where he enrolled at the Jagiellonian University. While studying such topics as philology and various languages at the university, he also did his compulsory military training. In 1939, Nazi Germany's occupation forces closed the University and from 1940 to 1944, Wojtila worked at various jobs including as a salesman for a particular chemical company.

The German I.G. Farben Industries Group (Interessen-Gemeinschaft Farbenindustrie A.G.) had a branch and factory in Poland and the young (22 years old) Karol Wojtila worked for them in their sales department. They also ran Auschwitz Concentration Camp in Poland as well as manufacturing the gas used to kill the prisoners. As an aside, Prince Bernhard of Holland was also a Nazi sympathizer and was on the board of I. G. Farben for a short time. He was also on the board of the KLM Dutch airline that flew many of the high level Nazis to South America at the end of the war.

At one stage, Karol Wojtila even wore a military uniform (I would assume Polish Army). He can be seen in a group of soldiers with the rifle and bayonet in a book by William Cooper, ‘Behold a Pale Horse’, page 81, Light Technology Publications, Milton William Cooper, 1991. William Cooper was a former United States Naval Intelligence Officer, and wrote several very good books. He disclosed a number of secrets and Karol Wojtila receives a real pounding in a couple of them.

Karol Wojtila was elected Pope in 1978, being the only Polish Pope and the first non-Italian Pope for almost 600 years. He took the name John Paul II and held the position for 27 years until his death in 2005.
[link to www.articlesbase.com]




• The Vatican's Holocaust

The sensational account of the most horrifying religious massacre of the 20th century
By Avro Manhattan

Startling revelations of forced conversions, mass murder of non-Catholics, Catholic extermination camps, disclosures of Catholic clergy as commanders of concentration camps; documented with names, dates, places, pictures and eyewitness testimony.

[link to www.srpska-mreza.com]
[link to liberalslikechrist.org]
(video)
[link to www.archive.org]
[link to www.youtube.com]




Pope apologizes for 2000 years of anti-semitism

[link to transcripts.cnn.com]

[link to www.nytimes.com]



The real question is, why is OP still fighting WW II?
 Quoting: Klink 21305537



...because the real perpetrators are still conducting their war.
If anyone wants to really understand World War II, he or she must look into the following:

Th_eodore H_e_rzl
Ba_lfour De_claration
Tr_ansfer Agr_eement

There is a plan for the complete subjugation of humanity. They are the heads of EVERY major media corp. and financial institution yet make up .002% of the population. Something is rotten in Tel Aviv.

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There are no Gas Chamber Survivor Stories because NO ONE WHO WENT INTO THEM SURVIVED

What are we supposed to do, channel the ghosts and ask them?
 Quoting: The Fraud Buster


Then why do you believe them to have existed?
History Channel?

And yes, there are those who claim to have been in gas chambers and survived.
I already gave one name.
 Quoting: A_Historian


I never watch the history channel
 Quoting: The Fraud Buster


Fair enough.
Why then do you believe the Nazi's used gas chambers to kill human beings? We already know that there were no gas chambers in the Western Theatre under the command on Eisenhower. Even though the delousing chambers at camps such as Dachau were originally thought to be used on the prisoners, it turned out to be untrue. This was admitted to by Simon Weisenthal himself.

We are left with camps under Soviet control (Auschwitz et al) so it is up to you to decide whether you trust the Soviet version of events or not.

Keep in mind that it was the Russians who created "gas wagons" around the time of the First World War. and they admitted in 1989 that it was the Soviet NKVD who murdered the 14,000 Poles at Katyn although they blamed the Nazi's for it at the Nuremberg Trials.
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Bravo!!!


Finally someone who really understands and does his research. No one knows the horror of Katyn and the lies that surrounded it. The Soviets, who are really zi_onists killed tens of millions of people.
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There is only one middle-eastern government that ever attacked the United States. Can you guess which one? Here is a hint: it was not a muslim country. *cue Jeopardy theme*
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Its a crazy world, i can't wrap my head around how so many people git suckered into killing millions. And the people in charge like how can you be so evil?
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Its a crazy world, i can't wrap my head around how so many people git suckered into killing millions. And the people in charge like how can you be so evil?
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Just make sure you know who was really killed and who really killed them. There is a lie being used to keep the true culprits in power and to even gain them even more power. It is still there for all to see. Anyone who does even a modicum or research will see the truth.
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Its a crazy world, i can't wrap my head around how so many people git suckered into killing millions. And the people in charge like how can you be so evil?
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Just make sure you know who was really killed and who really killed them. There is a lie being used to keep the true culprits in power and to even gain them even more power. It is still there for all to see. Anyone who does even a modicum or research will see the truth.
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They were claiming 6....million in World War I.

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