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Christians, Open your Eyes ! Hilal Bin Sahar, Crescent Moon, Son of the Morning. in Arabic...

 
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Lucifer has many names that represents his many different
personality traits.

i.e., Deceiver, Dragon, Liar, Son of Perdition, Satan, Devil, Tempter, Death...

Those are the "English" descriptive words explaining
the meaning of who, what he is, and how he will behave towards humans.

Take a Hebrew word, transliterate and you have the meaning
we can understand in English.

Lucifer hates God, God created Lucifer, God created humans, Lucifer hates humans.

He has already be tried and convicted to death, hence
the name "Son of Perdition...one to perish".

Now those who believe Lucifer doesn't exist...just look around at his influences in his dynasties.
Education, politics, economics and his favorite religion.
Twist and turn the truth just enough to deceive the person into following his path to oblivion.


Israel is the hot spot.
We are to keep our eyes focused there.
It is the barometer of prophecy.
You can't go wrong.



Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450916


But, the Isaiah passage does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan. By listening to the Old Testament passage on its own terms within its own context, we discover that lucifer is not an Old Testament name for the devil or the satan. The passage in Isaiah 14:12-17 is mockery directed at the downfall of the arrogant Babylonian rulers. The fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference.

The passages primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon, Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers to the fall of that earthly king.

Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

LOL
When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book of Mormon, the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan also spread into a third set of Mormon scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah.

In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."

By beginning with the New Testament, by making assumptions not supported by a closer examination of Scripture itself, and by using external theological categories as a lens through which to read Scripture, we may end up badly misreading Isaiah, myself included.













374ck5w4n
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


Here is the passage from Isaiah, and you tell me how this applies to a Babylonian king:

Isaiah 14:12-15

How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star [Lucifer], son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini



A better question would be,
how is this verse about Satan.


"Lucifer has become a by-word for Satan in the Church and in popular literature", as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost.

LOL

Have you even read Isaiah ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


Smoke and mirrors. Why are you avoiding my question?

But, I'll be gracious and answer yours.

There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18:

"I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.”

A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28. Notice that it is talking about Satan, who was in the Garden of Eden:

“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
...
You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
...
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
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What a bunch of hooey.

No advanced race is going to communicate with crayons and scribbles.

This is just so fake!
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But, the Isaiah passage does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan. By listening to the Old Testament passage on its own terms within its own context, we discover that lucifer is not an Old Testament name for the devil or the satan. The passage in Isaiah 14:12-17 is mockery directed at the downfall of the arrogant Babylonian rulers. The fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference.

The passages primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon, Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers to the fall of that earthly king.

Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

LOL
When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book of Mormon, the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan also spread into a third set of Mormon scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah.

In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."

By beginning with the New Testament, by making assumptions not supported by a closer examination of Scripture itself, and by using external theological categories as a lens through which to read Scripture, we may end up badly misreading Isaiah, myself included.













374ck5w4n
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


Here is the passage from Isaiah, and you tell me how this applies to a Babylonian king:

Isaiah 14:12-15

How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star [Lucifer], son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini



A better question would be,
how is this verse about Satan.


"Lucifer has become a by-word for Satan in the Church and in popular literature", as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost.

LOL

Have you even read Isaiah ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


Smoke and mirrors. Why are you avoiding my question?

But, I'll be gracious and answer yours.

There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18:

"I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.”

A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28. Notice that it is talking about Satan, who was in the Garden of Eden:

“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
...
You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
...
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini

When you Satantards have your iconoclastic apocalypse The One will LOLMAO so hard all creation will piss their pants from the hilarity of it all! hehe Christians are going to be so fraking "roasted" and I got VIP front row!! But I get "roasted" first I stupidly volunteered...my ego needs a very good "roasting"! Muahaha
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HI Adventi. Yes, the story of Job is horrific...Remember that Satan means "Adversary" and were all under this adversary called Yetzer Hara, our inclinations to do wrong.... The jewish people never think though that Satan is personified as an individual cause the only glory belongs to G-d. He is often seen as just a tempter and personification of the intent of others when they are jealous of another .

Ill explain Daniel in another post.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Lucifer has many names that represents his many different
personality traits.

i.e., Deceiver, Dragon, Liar, Son of Perdition, Satan, Devil, Tempter, Death...

Those are the "English" descriptive words explaining
the meaning of who, what he is, and how he will behave towards humans.

Take a Hebrew word, transliterate and you have the meaning
we can understand in English.

Lucifer hates God, God created Lucifer, God created humans, Lucifer hates humans.

He has already be tried and convicted to death, hence
the name "Son of Perdition...one to perish".

Now those who believe Lucifer doesn't exist...just look around at his influences in his dynasties.
Education, politics, economics and his favorite religion.
Twist and turn the truth just enough to deceive the person into following his path to oblivion.


Israel is the hot spot.
We are to keep our eyes focused there.
It is the barometer of prophecy.
You can't go wrong.



Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450916


But, the Isaiah passage does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan. By listening to the Old Testament passage on its own terms within its own context, we discover that lucifer is not an Old Testament name for the devil or the satan. The passage in Isaiah 14:12-17 is mockery directed at the downfall of the arrogant Babylonian rulers. The fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference.

The passages primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon, Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers to the fall of that earthly king.

Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

LOL
When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book of Mormon, the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan also spread into a third set of Mormon scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah.

In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."

By beginning with the New Testament, by making assumptions not supported by a closer examination of Scripture itself, and by using external theological categories as a lens through which to read Scripture, we may end up badly misreading Isaiah, myself included.













374ck5w4n
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


Here is the passage from Isaiah, and you tell me how this applies to a Babylonian king:

Isaiah 14:12-15

How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star [Lucifer], son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


The "king of Babylon" was not a specific ruler but a generic representation of the whole line of Babylonian rulers.

This verse in question appears in the context of a proverb against a dead line of Babylonian rulers.
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Are you under the delusion that you are the only one awakened on this planet and everyone else is fast asleep?

Ego check, dude, seriously.
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Fast asleep to Jewish studies. How many Christians know what the Beis Hamikdash means? The one eagerly awaited?

Oh yeah, the Anti Christ is supposed to build that one. Give me a break !



G-d swore himself that he will build it. Many are challenging God that hes the Anti Christ

That is ridiculous, We are under the B'hesech hadaas. for sure. which is a time of forgetfulness.

Its not my ego when Im trying to teach others Hebrew and Aramic.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


No, it's ego when you sit on high, dictating to your subjects.

Have you ever studied ego?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14353713


My ego is angry when no one says, Thanks Apollo. Thats really cool. I didnt know that either

Im trying to teach how to look up the correspndences and its horrible how Christians are sorely lacking in Hebrew studies..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


You come off quite strong what with the name and picture,
I totally agree that modern Christians have a complete lack of research into there "religion" apart from 2 hours on a Sunday. Sick how they can proclaim there faith of which they have no incite into.
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Hilal Bin Sahar, Crescent Moon, Son of the Morning. in Arabic...

THE MISSION OF MY POST IS TO MOVE AWAY FROM CHILDRENS MYTHOLOGIES AND INTO THE REAL WORLD OF EDUCATION, LINGUISTICS, CULTURE, HISTORY and ORIGINS OF WORDS and WORLD WATCH. End the silly stories once and for all cause my commentaries plead for a serious look into the convergence of the Abrahamic religions.


UPDATE : a Member of my blogsite pointed out to me that Crescent moon crop circles have been cropping up all of July along with one of a Star of David and one with a crown.
they have a crop circle photographer that likes them copyrighted , so Ill just post a link here to one

[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]

And here is all of them. (see the crescent moons?)

[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]


Ok, on a world watch scene , with all the Star of David crop circles and Crescent Moons, somehow this one will form a peace treaty between Islamic leaders and Israeli Governments.

Near the Kerem Shalom boder, there was a attack that was murmured to encourage convergence of interests between Egypt and Israel..We will see what Mohammed Morsi does along with any modifications to the 33 year old peace treaty.

Now back to the Crop Circles, I can explain most of them, The King has been found. (CROWN CROP CIRCLE) The Grey aliens are somehow involved ? (one is a aliens face) He has formed his alchemical CUBE and MERKAVA ( You can see a few cubes and crop circles ) and he Fulfils the Cresent moon which is the male of Yesod in magick and Kabbalah. Full moon is female.



:alchemical:



Posted by APOLLYON ILLUMINIST on August 7, 2012 at 10:30am


Hilal bin Sahar" "Crescent Moon Son of the Morning" in Arabic

BY APOLLO


We all grew up with the teachings of Heylel Ben Shachar ("HeYLeL BeN-ShaCHaR.) in Isaiah 14:12, in Hebrew meaning. " (meaning "bright son of the dawn" "bright , morning star," "glowing morning star," and "shining one, son of the dawn.") or helel ben shahar in Isaiah 14 as being the king of Babylon ..


:angelsea23:
.

Kabbalistic correspondences are HYLL BN SHCHR Hebrew was spelled right to left, So the first name is Heh Yod Lamed Lamed. No vowels.



Its meanings are WINDOW, HAND, WHIP WHIP, Correspondences Aries, Virgo Libra Libra. or Emperor, Hermit, Justice, Justice. Numbers of the correspondences are 4 9 11 11.

Here is some other correspondences.

Hebrew Gematria of Heylel Ben Shachar = 635.



Hebrew Strong’s # 635 = Esther'
We know that the book of Esther . the book of the “Hidden Face of God”


Hebrew Strong’s # 1984 = halal (Praise)
Halal is the root of the word, “Hallelujah”


Heyl is also of English origin of one that lived near a hill or stream of tree !


:hilelmoonstudy:



But did you know that it also meant Crescent Moon Son of the Morning in Arabic?' Lets stop the slander of the moon by associating it with Satan ! In Babylon the moon God was named "Sin"



Hillal Bin Sahar.



Hilal is an Arabic term, first developed in pre-Islamic Arabia, meaning crescent moon--specifically, the very slight crescent moon that is first visible after a new moon. Muslims look for the hilal when determining the beginning and end of Islamic months, but they don't worship it. The Quran says: "And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him." (41:37). The need to determine the precise time of the appearance of the hilal was one of the inducements for Muslim scholars to study astronomy

Now the history of the Crescent moon, currently on the Flags of Islamic nations such as Pakistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tunisia. and Uzebekistan. But when did the symbol begin?


:islamicflag:




Qoute:

It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other.





Here is a link to a video that is historically informative !



[link to video.about.com]

So you wonder, is it Heylel Ben Shachar , or Hillal Bin Sahar. And how did it ever equate with Lucifer or the Devil? The world should unite in the mysteries and unravel the beauty of the Crescent moon !

This image shows the bright planets Venus and Jupiter meeting the crescent moon on July 15, 2012. CREDIT: NASA

:jupiterven:
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Well done O Son of the Sparkle in God's 3rd! Much respect for being so valiantly diligent at treaching the "babes"! Keep pushing brother and your veil/caul will rend SOON!

I so want to share the "Lost Symbol"[hint it is the inverse of the Seal of Solomon/Star of David] with you but I trust no one. Something about you is a thorn in my mind but I still hf ya!
 Quoting: Æ 20799269


I know too
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Oh REALLY now! HEHE Share it then I DARE YOU!!
 Quoting: Æ 20799269


does it begin with an F
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Lucifer has many names that represents his many different
personality traits.

i.e., Deceiver, Dragon, Liar, Son of Perdition, Satan, Devil, Tempter, Death...

Those are the "English" descriptive words explaining
the meaning of who, what he is, and how he will behave towards humans.

Take a Hebrew word, transliterate and you have the meaning
we can understand in English.

Lucifer hates God, God created Lucifer, God created humans, Lucifer hates humans.

He has already be tried and convicted to death, hence
the name "Son of Perdition...one to perish".

Now those who believe Lucifer doesn't exist...just look around at his influences in his dynasties.
Education, politics, economics and his favorite religion.
Twist and turn the truth just enough to deceive the person into following his path to oblivion.


Israel is the hot spot.
We are to keep our eyes focused there.
It is the barometer of prophecy.
You can't go wrong.



Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450916


But, the Isaiah passage does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan. By listening to the Old Testament passage on its own terms within its own context, we discover that lucifer is not an Old Testament name for the devil or the satan. The passage in Isaiah 14:12-17 is mockery directed at the downfall of the arrogant Babylonian rulers. The fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference.

The passages primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon, Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers to the fall of that earthly king.

Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

LOL
When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book of Mormon, the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan also spread into a third set of Mormon scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah.

In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."

By beginning with the New Testament, by making assumptions not supported by a closer examination of Scripture itself, and by using external theological categories as a lens through which to read Scripture, we may end up badly misreading Isaiah, myself included.













374ck5w4n
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


Here is the passage from Isaiah, and you tell me how this applies to a Babylonian king:

Isaiah 14:12-15

How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star [Lucifer], son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


The "king of Babylon" was not a specific ruler but a generic representation of the whole line of Babylonian rulers.

This verse in question appears in the context of a proverb against a dead line of Babylonian rulers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


What proverb?

Were all these Babylonian kings fallen from Heaven? Were they all cast down to the earth?

Of course not.

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Honestly folks, If you dont see the wool thats been pulled over your sheeple eyes

Christianity and modern media has kept you veiled from Israel and the Middle Eastern plans of a Moshiach, and Mahdi.

Get your heads out of the Lucifer Heebie Jeebies childrens books and get into the real world.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Are you under the delusion that you are the only one awakened on this planet and everyone else is fast asleep?

Ego check, dude, seriously.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14353713


Fast asleep to Jewish studies. How many Christians know what the Beis Hamikdash means? The one eagerly awaited?

Oh yeah, the Anti Christ is supposed to build that one. Give me a break !

G-d swore himself that he will build it. Many are challenging God that hes the Anti Christ

That is ridiculous, We are under the B'hesech hadaas. for sure. which is a time of forgetfulness.

Its not my ego when Im trying to teach others Hebrew and Aramic.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


For what it's worth Apollo, I enjoy all your research and diligence in seeking the Truth!

I fear many have been seeded under the program far to long to change, WE all have a choice, To disrupt a thread that much time and effort has been put into is just wrong,

There will always be Leaders and Followers, Again it's the individuals choice, You have a 50/50 chance, I personally want to make the right choice.
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But, the Isaiah passage does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan. By listening to the Old Testament passage on its own terms within its own context, we discover that lucifer is not an Old Testament name for the devil or the satan. The passage in Isaiah 14:12-17 is mockery directed at the downfall of the arrogant Babylonian rulers. The fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference.

The passages primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon, Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers to the fall of that earthly king.

Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

LOL
When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book of Mormon, the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan also spread into a third set of Mormon scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah.

In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."

By beginning with the New Testament, by making assumptions not supported by a closer examination of Scripture itself, and by using external theological categories as a lens through which to read Scripture, we may end up badly misreading Isaiah, myself included.













374ck5w4n
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


Here is the passage from Isaiah, and you tell me how this applies to a Babylonian king:

Isaiah 14:12-15

How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star [Lucifer], son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini



A better question would be,
how is this verse about Satan.


"Lucifer has become a by-word for Satan in the Church and in popular literature", as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost.

LOL

Have you even read Isaiah ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


Smoke and mirrors. Why are you avoiding my question?

But, I'll be gracious and answer yours.

There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18:

"I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.”

A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28. Notice that it is talking about Satan, who was in the Garden of Eden:

“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
...
You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
...
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


Yes, but the the "Isaiah" passage in question does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan.

so not you failed to answer truthfully.

Also, Mount Horeb is not Mount Zaphon

Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393 – c. 457) wrote that Isaiah calls the king "morning star", not as being the star, but as having had the illusion of being it.
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Here is the passage from Isaiah, and you tell me how this applies to a Babylonian king:

Isaiah 14:12-15

How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star [Lucifer], son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini



A better question would be,
how is this verse about Satan.


"Lucifer has become a by-word for Satan in the Church and in popular literature", as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost.

LOL

Have you even read Isaiah ?
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Smoke and mirrors. Why are you avoiding my question?

But, I'll be gracious and answer yours.

There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18:

"I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.”

A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28. Notice that it is talking about Satan, who was in the Garden of Eden:

“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
...
You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
...
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


Yes, but the the "Isaiah" passage in question does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan.

so not you failed to answer truthfully.

Also, Mount Horeb is not Mount Zaphon

Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393 – c. 457) wrote that Isaiah calls the king "morning star", not as being the star, but as having had the illusion of being it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


What do you mean the Isaiah passage doesn't connect to what Jesus is speaking of? Absolutely it does. They are talking about the same event.

And, what on God's green earth does Mt. Horeb have to do with anything?

And finally, who is Theodoret of Cyrus (sounds like an old SNL skit with Steve Martin) and why do I care what he has to say about anything?
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But, the Isaiah passage does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan. By listening to the Old Testament passage on its own terms within its own context, we discover that lucifer is not an Old Testament name for the devil or the satan. The passage in Isaiah 14:12-17 is mockery directed at the downfall of the arrogant Babylonian rulers. The fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference.

The passages primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon, Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers to the fall of that earthly king.

Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

LOL
When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book of Mormon, the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan also spread into a third set of Mormon scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah.

In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."

By beginning with the New Testament, by making assumptions not supported by a closer examination of Scripture itself, and by using external theological categories as a lens through which to read Scripture, we may end up badly misreading Isaiah, myself included.













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Here is the passage from Isaiah, and you tell me how this applies to a Babylonian king:

Isaiah 14:12-15

How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star [Lucifer], son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


The "king of Babylon" was not a specific ruler but a generic representation of the whole line of Babylonian rulers.

This verse in question appears in the context of a proverb against a dead line of Babylonian rulers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


What proverb?

Were all these Babylonian kings fallen from Heaven? Were they all cast down to the earth?

Of course not.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini



Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

Also, this part is poetically describing the sky (Babylonian throne) by using the word Heaven.
"its mockery"

And yes, all these Babylonian kings have fallen, they all have been cast down to the earth,

as in they are now in the grave, how hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased.
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Here is the passage from Isaiah, and you tell me how this applies to a Babylonian king:

Isaiah 14:12-15

How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star [Lucifer], son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


The "king of Babylon" was not a specific ruler but a generic representation of the whole line of Babylonian rulers.

This verse in question appears in the context of a proverb against a dead line of Babylonian rulers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


What proverb?

Were all these Babylonian kings fallen from Heaven? Were they all cast down to the earth?

Of course not.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini



Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

Also, this part is poetically describing the sky (Babylonian throne) by using the word Heaven.
"its mockery"

And yes, all these Babylonian kings have fallen, they all have been cast down to the earth,

as in they are now in the grave, how hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


I've shown you two other places where this event is talked about in the Bible.

But, for whatever reason, you insist on assigning the very personal description of "morning star [Lucifer], son of the dawn" to mean a bunch of dead kings...

Whatever.
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I am pretty sure you are a devil worshiper.
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I'm going to walk thru the Temple gates with my ingathered lost tribes when Torah is fulfilled. The Light from above will shine on Moshiach who will lead us..

Im tired of the lies and slander that my own Christians have done !!


Here is a prayer I wrote...


A PLEA FOR MOSHIACH

BY APOLLO


Studies of the Hebrew Prophecies..


Moshiach is Hebrew for Messiah. Moshiach means the “the anointed one" in Hebrew. And it is a core belief in Judaism, but seldom learned by Christians of the West. Those that have faith in Moshiach feel it as strongly as Christians have faith in Jesus. The jewish people do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, rather they see the future Savior of Mankind as a great teacher, King and Soldier of Righteousness, "Tzedek" that influences our lives directly, making abudance touch wherever he touches and blessings to shower our material world and build his temple "Beit HaMikdash" We do not have to wait to out death to ever have hope of seeing Moshiach, Moshiach will not appear to us after we pass this earthly time, He is to come while humanity is alive and calling out !

"Tikkun Olam" is the healing of the world in the world to come, "Olam Habah"

You do not have to be a Jew to let Moshiach bless your life, cause he will free mankind into a state of bliss knowing their creator G-d who cannot have a name, He is the infallible one, the one whose name. (HaShem) is beyond our limited understand, but we may draw close to him none the less. He does not cast souls into hell. forbid the study of stars, nor say this earth is beyond redemption, G-d wants us to be happy now ! And enjoy the fruitages of earth now !

Here is the Belief number 12 of the Mainmonides Thirteen Principles of Faith That speaks of Moshiach

Principle XII. The era of the Messiah

And this is to believe that in truth that he will come and that you should be waiting for him even though he delays in coming. And you should not calculate times for him to come, or to look in the verses of Tanach to see when he should come. The sages say: The wisdom of those who calculate times [of his coming] is small and that you should believe that he will be greater and more honored than all of the kings of Israel since the beginning of time as it is prophesied by all the prophets from Moses our teacher, peace be upon him, until Malachi, peace be upon him. And he who doubts or diminishes the greatness of the Messiah is a denier in all the Torah for it testifies to the Messiah explicitly in the portion of Bilam and the portion of “You are gathered (towards the end of Deut)”. And part of this principle that there is no king of Israel except from the house of David and from the seed of Solomon alone. And anyone who disputes this regarding this family is a denier of the name of God and in all the words of the prophets.

Heaven is here on earth, The Tanach describes the temple.in II Chronicles.

3:3- "The length by cubits after the ancient measure was threescore cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits".
3:4- "And the porch that was before the house, the length of it, according to the breadth of the house, was twenty cubits, and the height a hundred and twenty; and he overlaid it within with pure gold."

And likewise , we shall have beautiful sound homes and dwelling places and food and peace when the Moshiach touches our lives and blesses us with the bounty. God did not want us to lack in anything .

QOUTE:

In every generation there is a scion of the House of David who has the potential to be the Moshiach



-Apollo
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Apollo there can only be one thing said of your letter to Moshiach and its accuracy...

WELL DONE APOLLO, I am blessed for having read it...

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A better question would be,
how is this verse about Satan.


"Lucifer has become a by-word for Satan in the Church and in popular literature", as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost.

LOL

Have you even read Isaiah ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


Smoke and mirrors. Why are you avoiding my question?

But, I'll be gracious and answer yours.

There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18:

"I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.”

A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28. Notice that it is talking about Satan, who was in the Garden of Eden:

“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
...
You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
...
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


Yes, but the the "Isaiah" passage in question does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan.

so not you failed to answer truthfully.

Also, Mount Horeb is not Mount Zaphon

Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393 – c. 457) wrote that Isaiah calls the king "morning star", not as being the star, but as having had the illusion of being it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


What do you mean the Isaiah passage doesn't connect to what Jesus is speaking of? Absolutely it does. They are talking about the same event.

And, what on God's green earth does Mt. Horeb have to do with anything?

And finally, who is Theodoret of Cyrus (sounds like an old SNL skit with Steve Martin) and why do I care what he has to say about anything?
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


Good sir, what event would that be?
Just cause Jesus seen Satan fall from the sky as lighting does not mean the Isaiah passage is talking about the same thing, you don't understand Isaiah do you ?


Ezekiel 28
"So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God"

Isaiah 14
"I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon"

LOL
come on Satan, pick one mountain to sit enthroned on..
plus why would Satan want to sit enthroned on Mount Zaphon ?

that's just stupid.
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I guarantee if you study ego and the tricks it uses, you will get a MUCH better response to your threads.
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I'm embarrassed for you, Can you see from anothers perspective how your acting, Leave if your not happy or content in what's being said, Your not my mind nor are you the mind of any except your-self!

I'm not being mean but please let the Man explain another point of view, Ya see, It might make a difference! I want to make my 50 percent choice right.

Thank You. Rocky

I'm still way back here so I guess I'll have to contend with you when I catch up, Unless your a Man/Woman of Honor
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apollo, i am sorry this is off thread. but as for our convesation on my thread "hatred of jewish people and mason is stupid"

the jewish messiah cannot be the anti christ as it answers every discription of jesus in revelations - not the anti christ.

and do you consider yourself as part of the master builders society?
will you go with them down to the bunkers?
and what are your plans for israel.

am eager to know that. cause i live in israel and am terrified by the arab nations soon to come upon us in war.
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Friend, Im happy you wrote, I know youre scared. But yes, theres always "underground" Remember that the escapees fled in tunnels under the temple when the Romans moved into Jerusalem?

Like a gopher, we can build tunnels too and theres always a way.. Never fear..
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well... i still consider you as friend, but no offence, i am truely pissed at you.
here you are boasting with youre friends of how humanity knows nothing of the knowledge you have and thus are doomed.

why o why then did you not make this knowledge wide known, man is not a fool, man is ignorant, and its only because of youre fathers who hid this knowledge.

why then not did they share the knowledge at the begining of time and prevent us of this tragedy coming upon man and thier brothers?!
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? Im trying to understand....

Well, some are as they say, pearls of high price, The hidden knowledge must be searched and sought for , for those who truly desire it.

Then Moshiach will also teach the hidden realms of Torah. The Pnimiyut HaTorah. the Esoteric realms will be for all.
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The zombie apocalypse is bad.... some good info here and the sheeple bust out with the ego attacks.... Haha what a limited primitive understanding of life our sheeple have =/
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Smoke and mirrors. Why are you avoiding my question?

But, I'll be gracious and answer yours.

There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18:

"I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.”

A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28. Notice that it is talking about Satan, who was in the Garden of Eden:

“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
...
You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
...
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


Yes, but the the "Isaiah" passage in question does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan.

so not you failed to answer truthfully.

Also, Mount Horeb is not Mount Zaphon

Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393 – c. 457) wrote that Isaiah calls the king "morning star", not as being the star, but as having had the illusion of being it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


What do you mean the Isaiah passage doesn't connect to what Jesus is speaking of? Absolutely it does. They are talking about the same event.

And, what on God's green earth does Mt. Horeb have to do with anything?

And finally, who is Theodoret of Cyrus (sounds like an old SNL skit with Steve Martin) and why do I care what he has to say about anything?
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


Good sir, what event would that be?
Just cause Jesus seen Satan fall from the sky as lighting does not mean the Isaiah passage is talking about the same thing, you don't understand Isaiah do you ?


Ezekiel 28
"So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God"

Isaiah 14
"I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon"

LOL
come on Satan, pick one mountain to sit enthroned on..
plus why would Satan want to sit enthroned on Mount Zaphon ?

that's just stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


Why are so many people using the corrupted new bibles this is a perfect example of why these new bibles are being made if you would have quoted the KJV from the start you'd see that mount zaphon just appeared out of nowhere if its not in the KJV it shouldn't be there

I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

these are lucifers 5 i Will's....5 just like the pentagram maybe its related hmmmmm
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Yes, but the the "Isaiah" passage in question does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan.

so not you failed to answer truthfully.

Also, Mount Horeb is not Mount Zaphon

Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393 – c. 457) wrote that Isaiah calls the king "morning star", not as being the star, but as having had the illusion of being it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


What do you mean the Isaiah passage doesn't connect to what Jesus is speaking of? Absolutely it does. They are talking about the same event.

And, what on God's green earth does Mt. Horeb have to do with anything?

And finally, who is Theodoret of Cyrus (sounds like an old SNL skit with Steve Martin) and why do I care what he has to say about anything?
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


Good sir, what event would that be?
Just cause Jesus seen Satan fall from the sky as lighting does not mean the Isaiah passage is talking about the same thing, you don't understand Isaiah do you ?


Ezekiel 28
"So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God"

Isaiah 14
"I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon"

LOL
come on Satan, pick one mountain to sit enthroned on..
plus why would Satan want to sit enthroned on Mount Zaphon ?

that's just stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11519284


Why are so many people using the corrupted new bibles this is a perfect example of why these new bibles are being made if you would have quoted the KJV from the start you'd see that mount zaphon just appeared out of nowhere if its not in the KJV it shouldn't be there

I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

these are lucifers 5 i Will's....5 just like the pentagram maybe its related hmmmmm
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Is this "lucifer speaking or is Isaiah speaking for this "lucifer.

I dont get it. LOL
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Hilal Bin Sahar, Crescent Moon, Son of the Morning. in Arabic...

THE MISSION OF MY POST IS TO MOVE AWAY FROM CHILDRENS MYTHOLOGIES AND INTO THE REAL WORLD OF EDUCATION, LINGUISTICS, CULTURE, HISTORY and ORIGINS OF WORDS and WORLD WATCH. End the silly stories once and for all cause my commentaries plead for a serious look into the convergence of the Abrahamic religions.


UPDATE : a Member of my blogsite pointed out to me that Crescent moon crop circles have been cropping up all of July along with one of a Star of David and one with a crown.
they have a crop circle photographer that likes them copyrighted , so Ill just post a link here to one

[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]

And here is all of them. (see the crescent moons?)

[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]


Ok, on a world watch scene , with all the Star of David crop circles and Crescent Moons, somehow this one will form a peace treaty between Islamic leaders and Israeli Governments.

Near the Kerem Shalom boder, there was a attack that was murmured to encourage convergence of interests between Egypt and Israel..We will see what Mohammed Morsi does along with any modifications to the 33 year old peace treaty.

Now back to the Crop Circles, I can explain most of them, The King has been found. (CROWN CROP CIRCLE) The Grey aliens are somehow involved ? (one is a aliens face) He has formed his alchemical CUBE and MERKAVA ( You can see a few cubes and crop circles ) and he Fulfils the Cresent moon which is the male of Yesod in magick and Kabbalah. Full moon is female.



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Posted by APOLLYON ILLUMINIST on August 7, 2012 at 10:30am


Hilal bin Sahar" "Crescent Moon Son of the Morning" in Arabic

BY APOLLO


We all grew up with the teachings of Heylel Ben Shachar ("HeYLeL BeN-ShaCHaR.) in Isaiah 14:12, in Hebrew meaning. " (meaning "bright son of the dawn" "bright , morning star," "glowing morning star," and "shining one, son of the dawn.") or helel ben shahar in Isaiah 14 as being the king of Babylon ..


:angelsea23:
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Kabbalistic correspondences are HYLL BN SHCHR Hebrew was spelled right to left, So the first name is Heh Yod Lamed Lamed. No vowels.



Its meanings are WINDOW, HAND, WHIP WHIP, Correspondences Aries, Virgo Libra Libra. or Emperor, Hermit, Justice, Justice. Numbers of the correspondences are 4 9 11 11.

Here is some other correspondences.

Hebrew Gematria of Heylel Ben Shachar = 635.



Hebrew Strong’s # 635 = Esther'
We know that the book of Esther . the book of the “Hidden Face of God”


Hebrew Strong’s # 1984 = halal (Praise)
Halal is the root of the word, “Hallelujah”


Heyl is also of English origin of one that lived near a hill or stream of tree !


:hilelmoonstudy:



But did you know that it also meant Crescent Moon Son of the Morning in Arabic?' Lets stop the slander of the moon by associating it with Satan ! In Babylon the moon God was named "Sin"



Hillal Bin Sahar.



Hilal is an Arabic term, first developed in pre-Islamic Arabia, meaning crescent moon--specifically, the very slight crescent moon that is first visible after a new moon. Muslims look for the hilal when determining the beginning and end of Islamic months, but they don't worship it. The Quran says: "And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him." (41:37). The need to determine the precise time of the appearance of the hilal was one of the inducements for Muslim scholars to study astronomy

Now the history of the Crescent moon, currently on the Flags of Islamic nations such as Pakistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tunisia. and Uzebekistan. But when did the symbol begin?


:islamicflag:




Qoute:

It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other.





Here is a link to a video that is historically informative !



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So you wonder, is it Heylel Ben Shachar , or Hillal Bin Sahar. And how did it ever equate with Lucifer or the Devil? The world should unite in the mysteries and unravel the beauty of the Crescent moon !

This image shows the bright planets Venus and Jupiter meeting the crescent moon on July 15, 2012. CREDIT: NASA

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Well done O Son of the Sparkle in God's 3rd! Much respect for being so valiantly diligent at treaching the "babes"! Keep pushing brother and your veil/caul will rend SOON!

I so want to share the "Lost Symbol"[hint it is the inverse of the Seal of Solomon/Star of David] with you but I trust no one. Something about you is a thorn in my mind but I still hf ya!
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Hello Illustrious One and Teacher ! Thank you so much, I try to teach the best I can. I hope my veil/caul will rend soon. Those over me and my chart have told me its soon but they wont say when.

Would you by chance happen to know the zodiac its under? Im a Capricorn, Aries ascendant.. I can find the year.. I know I have to integrate my opposite...

Its hard working in the waters of alchemy. Ive been plugging away from these waters for quite awhile and feel like the hanged man, ha !

Jonah still has to spit me out on dry land when the waters of alchemy are done..

Thank you, thank you, I still need encouragment now and then. The waiting behind the veil is difficult

What is the inverse seal? I have the star of david alignment in my chart, so Ill work on that...
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I shall bless thee with a "Pearl of Great Price" O Valiant One! The answer you seek lay in the day on which thou wast born! So many so called gr8 astrologers no nothing. As in alchemy start with the base and work your way up. What is the malkuth of your chart? Rending the Veil aka crossing the Duath to the glories of Kether is only peformed by Noble Pain...I am almost there just have to keep my "wings" spread lest I fall like Icarus!

You are like lava! Earth and Fire

I am Virgo Sun, Cap Asd, Moon/Mars Conjunt is Leo born on a Sunday afternoon! hehe

Sometimes one has to has to bow down before one can be exalted!
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Im so flattered ! Im so happy to make the journey with you. We will wine and dine at the final party. I hope I am purified as my personal High Priest to enter into the sanctuary. It is there they say that the face of God can be seen above the Arc of the Covenant. Of course we know what this means esoterically. And also to pull the sword from the stone as King Arthur did.

My malkuth of my chart is in Taurus . My fixed star is El Nath...Yes, we have to cross the duat of the wilderness but on the backs of gimel....

Icarus fell, I had his print as a screen saver, but pray that we dont fall with false wings

Nice to have a sunday afternoon birth as was I . Capricorn will teach you hard work, Moon and Mars will blend emotions and drive...

I have bowed down many times...we will see what other impurities I can burn away, the dross. I have a ways to go yet, Im so imperfect, Ive let many down. I keep trying and being realistic..

So much further to go but its worth it..hf
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O that Pearl of great price! have you found it?
Is the Savior supreme in your love?
O consider it well, ere you answer,
As you hope for a welcome above.
Have you given up all for this Treasure?
Have you counted past gains as but loss?
Has your trust in yourself and your merits
Come to naught before Christ and His cross?
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It's not a crescent moon. It symbolizes the outer ring of Saturn. Check corporate logos. You can start with Capital One.

[link to www.capitalone.com]

There are many others.
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Apollo, you ought to read that extraordinary book by dr Jonathan Gray called: "The Hidden Secret", in which he among others clearly explains how rabbis in the past have obfuscated the historical date of Jesus the Redeemer round 20 AD as being the true Messiah as promised and named even in the O.T. as Yeshuah, as you'll probably know.
His Second Coming will be as the King of the Universe and no one will deny him in his Glory and Kingship.
That'll be when mankind is at the end of her mettle and all seems lost. I really recommend that book, also for the hermetic code of 7 in all of the four Gospels, not possible for ordinary man to duplicate .
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Must have escaped your attention with all your and others dazzling info, but I truly find this an astounding read, this "Forbidden Secret"by Jonathan Gray.
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Well done O Son of the Sparkle in God's 3rd! Much respect for being so valiantly diligent at treaching the "babes"! Keep pushing brother and your veil/caul will rend SOON!

I so want to share the "Lost Symbol"[hint it is the inverse of the Seal of Solomon/Star of David] with you but I trust no one. Something about you is a thorn in my mind but I still hf ya!
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Hello Illustrious One and Teacher ! Thank you so much, I try to teach the best I can. I hope my veil/caul will rend soon. Those over me and my chart have told me its soon but they wont say when.

Would you by chance happen to know the zodiac its under? Im a Capricorn, Aries ascendant.. I can find the year.. I know I have to integrate my opposite...

Its hard working in the waters of alchemy. Ive been plugging away from these waters for quite awhile and feel like the hanged man, ha !

Jonah still has to spit me out on dry land when the waters of alchemy are done..

Thank you, thank you, I still need encouragment now and then. The waiting behind the veil is difficult

What is the inverse seal? I have the star of david alignment in my chart, so Ill work on that...
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I shall bless thee with a "Pearl of Great Price" O Valiant One! The answer you seek lay in the day on which thou wast born! So many so called gr8 astrologers no nothing. As in alchemy start with the base and work your way up. What is the malkuth of your chart? Rending the Veil aka crossing the Duath to the glories of Kether is only peformed by Noble Pain...I am almost there just have to keep my "wings" spread lest I fall like Icarus!

You are like lava! Earth and Fire

I am Virgo Sun, Cap Asd, Moon/Mars Conjunt is Leo born on a Sunday afternoon! hehe

Sometimes one has to has to bow down before one can be exalted!
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Im so flattered ! Im so happy to make the journey with you. We will wine and dine at the final party. I hope I am purified as my personal High Priest to enter into the sanctuary. It is there they say that the face of God can be seen above the Arc of the Covenant. Of course we know what this means esoterically. And also to pull the sword from the stone as King Arthur did.

My malkuth of my chart is in Taurus . My fixed star is El Nath...Yes, we have to cross the duat of the wilderness but on the backs of gimel....

Icarus fell, I had his print as a screen saver, but pray that we dont fall with false wings

Nice to have a sunday afternoon birth as was I . Capricorn will teach you hard work, Moon and Mars will blend emotions and drive...

I have bowed down many times...we will see what other impurities I can burn away, the dross. I have a ways to go yet, Im so imperfect, Ive let many down. I keep trying and being realistic..

So much further to go but its worth it..hf
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I have felt a kindred spirit with to...as I look at your spirit I know you darkly...remember you. I confess I didn't like you at first because I mistakenly felt your use a name that is very near and dear to me Apollo wantonly. People have forgotten the sacredness of names.

Malkuth is the nadir of you chart and Keter is the mid-heaven.

Have you been to Israel yet? I have and so long to go back. My favorite place is the spot the great Elijah sat on Mount Carmel which over looks the Port of Haifa. I had a wonderful epiphany there.

A fellow child of the Sun of Sion! WOOT hehe I should sign up for site. I have much more to learn from you...just need to trust you.
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Re: Christians, Open your Eyes ! Hilal Bin Sahar, Crescent Moon, Son of the Morning. in Arabic...
the inverse of the Seal of Solomon/Star of David

"Set me as a seal upon thy heart"

could this be the Flower of Life?
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Are you under the delusion that you are the only one awakened on this planet and everyone else is fast asleep?

Ego check, dude, seriously.
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Fast asleep to Jewish studies. How many Christians know what the Beis Hamikdash means? The one eagerly awaited?

Oh yeah, the Anti Christ is supposed to build that one. Give me a break !

G-d swore himself that he will build it. Many are challenging God that hes the Anti Christ

That is ridiculous, We are under the B'hesech hadaas. for sure. which is a time of forgetfulness.

Its not my ego when Im trying to teach others Hebrew and Aramic.
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Just the fact that you assume that everybody should want to learn the things you're talking about, is ego.
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Yeah, youre right, One billion Christians shouldnt worry whats going on the other side of the planet, nor give a shit what other people believe in.

That is totally uneducated and moronic.

Let them use the Lucifer , satan excuse to explain away every evil act when such a character was never in Judaism as a source of evil

Personal responsibility was a requirement in Judaism.
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Personal responsibility is a requirement in Judaism, the problem is that the responsibility is only to others of the tribe, and not anyone else, why not discuss the talumud, it's pretty clear on this matter. Of course, you will tell everyone it's a mistake of translation, which is exactly what the muslims say about their books.
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the inverse of the Seal of Solomon/Star of David

"Set me as a seal upon thy heart"

could this be the Flower of Life?
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Since when is the FoL Lost?
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from the fall of mankind.

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