FBI:WI TEMPLE SHOOTINGS MOTIVE STILL UNKNOWN; Anyone else get the feeling like "domestic terror" is on the rise to justify Big Brother State

Well, it definitely is going to help things along. I posted something a few days ago about them really pushing the "If you see something, say something" campaign which sounds like it would NOT have helped as his neighbors were not even aware of his views.

Thread: Sikh temple shooting press conference, talking about DHS "If you see something, say something" - report "marginally atypical"

I think they're going to try ramping this up and with people being worked up over this, they'll probably be reporting others for even mundane things.

No doubt. How much you wanna bet that this temple shooter was involved with some "undercover", FBI informant? Just like the Cleveland incident. We already know that he was in a Neo Nazi group. This is truly scary stuff. Not really "1984", or "Brave New World", more like a combination of both. With the propaganda from the MSM, the pharma corp's and their drug for everything. Also, with a heavy helping of Philip K. Dicks, "A Scanner Darkly", with the surveillance state and designer drugs. I know this for sure. This is a noticeably different country than the one I grew up in and Im not that old.

Well it stood out that he was part of some psychological unit from in the military. I don't understand how they don't know his actual motive yet? There had to have been something that triggered this....also, what's also concerning is the multiple witnesses that said they saw MULTIPLE gunmen involved, but now it is just focused on him. Whatever happened to the 9/11 tattooed "man of interest"?

Yeah the nieghbors are full of shit...the guy had a zillion White Power Nazi tats...you think they never noticed any of that crap?...they chose to ignore it and look the other way, or were dumb enough to not associate the meanings.

The "neighbors" also didn't need to say shit, the guy was already on the Fed radar...which is scary enough...because now?...the Feds are going to be saying, well we were watching the guy, but he didn't DO anything until it was too late...so know?...maybe we ought to get pro-active with these fucktards and get to them before they actually do anything...if they attempt THAT sort of approach?...count on gigantic cluster fuck rolling down a hill right at anything they deem a "possible threat"....and that definition of "possible threat" is going to generated by a bunch of govtards...that will not end well...

Good point, I wonder how many other people they are "watching"?? And are they going to be "proactive", like you said. I would have to wonder what being "proactive" would entail...

Thank you, SHR. My point exactly. Where does it end? When do the American people grow a pair, and say enough of this police state. Shit happens. The police deal with it, and life goes on. There is no need to go on high alert, every time some nut job goes out on a shooting spree. When I grew up I was taught that we live in the land of the free, not just went it was safe or convenient, but always and in spite of the crazy elements that pop up from time to time.

The maker of the new movie Sirius about disclosure Dr. Stephen Greer
Father was one of the men shot at the temple. [link to www.sirius.neverendinglight.com]

Check out this video breaking it all down.



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It sounded like 'suicide by cop' to me. The guy is a tad off, had broken up with his girlfriend and decided to end things, but did not want to kill himself. He forced someone, in this case the cops, to take him out. He had to know that things would end this way.

Editing this post to add that I just read that the shooter shot himself after having been shot by the cops. It is said that he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

Last Edited by MartyWrites on 08/08/2012 12:56 PM

Interesting, I haven't seen that proposed by the media as a possible motive. If that was the case, I wonder if it could still be considered a hate crime?

Even if that is the case. 10 to 1 TPTB still use this as an excuse to expand, their already tyrannical powers.

They are "watching" plenty...and getting info from a load of outside orgs as well...the SPLC had a lot of intel on this Wade Page guy...I am quite sure that the feds get anything they want and more all funneled in from a lot of those type entities. It all opens up the prospect of whatever slant being the dominant ideoloogy of the day and getting more "scrutiny". Right now I would think...or would like to, that a clear and present danger is the bar to act, which in essence I don't have a problem with. However if the gov't is thinking that they could have prevented any of these latest acts by just expanding their power and getting at the crime that has not been committed yet even sooner than they do now?...we are going to start having some real problems because they will screw that up like they do everything else and they will use that power to go after all sorts of political "enemies" and no doubt use their power in a repressive and wrong manner.

I've learned long ago that you can never apply "common sense" when it comes to govt...while it would seem to make sense that someone who was seeing/sent to a psychiatrist because they just recently crashed and burned out of a long term academic "career", recently purchased a shit ton of guns, ammo and tach gear and did a few other bizzare things like dying their hair orange and making posts on date sites like, "will you come see me in prison" might actually warrant having someone with half a brain at least maybe just pop over to visit the guy, have a chat and ask if all ok...it'll never happen that way...what you will have is some guy who just wanted to go shooting and bought a couple boxes of ammo and posted "geez this current admin really bites" on his spacebook page having a full blown helo tach demo squad blowing a hole in his wall and wailing through it at zero dark thirty for a little meet and greet...

Since they have proven that they virtually can do zero well..I really think we just need to limit what the govt can crawl into and live the occasional tragic happening.

We also actually could likely decrease those occurances if the govt just reduced it's intrusion and the side affects of everything from destroying peoples chances at better life to the fucked up mental states generated by all thier grand social engineering bullshit IMO as well...but it's going to take a major and long term shift away from these fookin masterminds and their "we know what's best" mentality before that concept bears any fruit, but I do see more people beginning to become aware of the social central planner masterminds...that at least is a start.

The govt in it's many shapes and forms have been creating more and more people that believe govt is the answer..for a very long time now...it's going to take a very long time to reverse that trend.

Think of it like this...everytime you see someone reacting to anything by saying "there ought to be a law"...you need to engage that person and explain that we already have too many "laws" and it's just as likely that one of those laws cluster fucked caused whatever happened than a lack of law and just creating more regulation and "law" will most likely make things even worse. We Don't need more laws/regs, we need to enforce the ones we have that do make sense with some efficiency, effectiveness and common sense, we have too many already and need to cut the ponderous fog and bloat down so that might actually happen. If you engage a person with something like, "You're a bright person, think YOU could see something like this coming?...I bet you could. So you do see it, but you have 87,000 regulations and 50 retards sitting in cublicles all watching the clock worried more about fuckin up their cushy govt jobs and covering their asses than actually making a call and even though you do see whatever coming?...it's choked into a folder in triplicate and take a number at the DMV. THAT is the problem, the govt is so obese with bloat and TOO MANY regulations and laws that it cannot do shit well, even if it tried. We need to reform the govt, not pile on to what we have now that isn't working worth a shit."

You approach people with that train of thought?....you will be surprised how receptive most people are and that they can understand that concept. Then you have planted a seed of reform and reduce and there's one less thought that govt has all the answers and all we need is more of it.

Just saw the same thing...

This guy is only slightly different than all of the other fucktarded scumbags that go off on a spree murder mass killing event. They couldn't cope, so they are going to lash out and take their own fail rage out on a bunch of other people.

This guy just happened to be some sort of neo-nazi type so his flavor of victim was a bunch of local Sikhs who are overtly "different" with their costumes and religion. If there were any large gathering of any group that met his taste for victims locally, it's just as likely it would have been any one of them IMO.

Holmes had some sort of Batman obession/interest, Page had the neo-nazi thing going on, really they are not that much different at the core. Frustrated people who reached a fail point when they could no longer cope and this is how they decided to "end it all". It's a blaze of glory I am finally going to accomplish a big deal thing and I'll be famous or it's a fuck you, I'm taking people with me down the drain thing, but it all boils down to the same core.

They reached a point break in their own demented heads and that was the end of life as they knew it, so they were going to blow up in a tantrum rage because they couldn't deal with it. Unfortunately these two, as well as others, decided that they were going to take their tantrum and blast it onto other people too.

Thank you, sound advice. I would like to add. That a tremendous culture change is also required. Personal responsibility is the key. In the modern liberal era, we have all been taught that everyone but ourselves is responsible. If you have issues, blame your parents. If your child is getting bad grades, its the teachers fault. Someone goes on a killing spree in a movie theater, its because of violence in the media. Etc., Etc.,....

I could also go on about celebrity worship and reality tv. And the dumbing down of the American people in general. When I think of how uninformed and intellectually challenged the masses really are, I literally feel sickened.

I think of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, their lofty ideals of an educated democracy. Where informed voters made rational decisions about the direction of their nation, communities, and lives. An educated enlightened people who understood that personal responsibility and hard work, are the keys to building a great nation. With government taking as limited a role as possible and no authority not outlined in the constitution that they helped to author.

Instead, we are stuck with what we have. A society of useless consumers. Brainless and apathetic. Gladly scarfing down genetically modified food, while watching the latest episode of Jersey Shore, or Dance Mom's, or whatever new atrocity that t.v. deigns to air. All the while couldnt tell you word one about Citizens United, (and I dont care which side of the political spectrum one falls on, we know that its just wrong). I often feel that most of them deserve whats coming, for allowing it to happen. The problem is, the rest of us will have to suffer with them.

No more opinions on this topic?

Oh yes, it's a false flag. The intention is the same as in Colorado, to create a crisis, then capitalize on hopefully a tide of sentiment against guns to try to legislate them out of the hands of private citizens.

Also, TPTB came out today and said this Wade guy allegedly offed himself with a single shot to the head.

That's tidy, isn't it?

I cant believe there isnt more interest in this. Police state, big brother, FEMA camps, and false flag domestic terror. Oh the possibilities. Everyone too busy on one of the prophetic, "I dreamed (insert doom here)..." threads, I guess.