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New info on the quake at the sinkhole.

Sinkhole quake jolts further than Bayou Corne

[link to www.examiner.com]

Snip less than 50%:

Odd earthquakes have been felt as far as 45 miles south of the sinkhole, as reported on Oct. 5 after a swarm occurred with the highest quake registering over 4 on the Richter scale.

At the meeting, officials said they were installing an early warning system that would detect earthquakes and other events. An official explained it would be more effective than the USGS monitors now in place, recording seismic activities that are occurring regularly.

"Devices looking for seismic activity will all be integrated to form another early warning-type of device," a Texas Brine spokesperson explained.

The new devices are what he said were very similar to what USGS already has in place but "a step above USGS as they will be embedded, underground, more permanent."...
 Quoting: Earth Cries


Wow!

...well...

That is all I need to know.

I think I will take my family on a 'camping trip'. I'm thinking we will go somewhere far from home and high above sea level...

Thanks for posting this...
 Quoting: Ant Storm 10117621


you do that, or keep posting bullshit 24/7 on misleading threads. i bet you keep posting bullshit. hey, maybe it's Godzilla.
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Louisiana Sinkhole Briefing: Essentially, the earth is fractured from the salt cavern all the way to surface — Crude oil coming up through fracture zone (VIDEO)

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OOookaaaay...


A few days ago, Hecox stated that there was a frack out, or a blow-OUT of the cavern. Now, he is advising the opposite. He is saying the side of the cavern blew-IN, under pressure.

Which is it? Why does it matter?

hf
 Quoting: Ant Storm 10117621


Well, its the same thing: the inward collapse of the cavern wall forced what was contained inside (liquified gas, brine, diesel, whatever other crap that they shoved in there) to blow out. Remember, "fracking," or hydraulic fracturing, is using pressurized fluid to push petroleum out of layers of rock.

So, the salt cavern wall (solid) collapses into the well space which contains liquids, and the liquid is pushed into the cracks in the cavern wall, into the surrounding layers of rock, and pushes methane and hydrocarbons to the surface. Also, the collapse results in a destabilization of the surface overhead, resulting in the sinkhole.

The real questions are
- HOW did the cavern collapse??? LA wants to blame Texas Brine for using a cavern that they knew was unstable. LA also claims that the cavern collapse caused the seismic activity Texas Brine has already indicated that they plan to defend themselves by claiming the seismic activity caused the cavern collapse. I suspect Texas Brine is probably right, but LA does not want to agree because then people would begin asking whether the ongoing seismic activity (and it IS ongoing, obviously) may cause other collapses. I.e., what else may the government and the companies be hiding regarding the stability of the many many caverns in the salt dome (or other salt domes?)?

- How MUCH methane and oil is now rising to the surface due to the collapse? It would seem that there must be a LOT of methane down there for there to be this much bubbling in the bayou, and so far from the sinkhole area.

- Will the continuing escape of gas through existing fissures create greater instability in the region and/or create the sinkhole to further expand, and or/create additional sinkholes?
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 Quoting: Earth Cries


OOookaaaay...


A few days ago, Hecox stated that there was a frack out, or a blow-OUT of the cavern. Now, he is advising the opposite. He is saying the side of the cavern blew-IN, under pressure.

Which is it? Why does it matter?

hf
 Quoting: Ant Storm 10117621


Well, its the same thing: the inward collapse of the cavern wall forced what was contained inside (liquified gas, brine, diesel, whatever other crap that they shoved in there) to blow out. Remember, "fracking," or hydraulic fracturing, is using pressurized fluid to push petroleum out of layers of rock.

So, the salt cavern wall (solid) collapses into the well space which contains liquids, and the liquid is pushed into the cracks in the cavern wall, into the surrounding layers of rock, and pushes methane and hydrocarbons to the surface. Also, the collapse results in a destabilization of the surface overhead, resulting in the sinkhole.

The real questions are
- HOW did the cavern collapse??? LA wants to blame Texas Brine for using a cavern that they knew was unstable. LA also claims that the cavern collapse caused the seismic activity Texas Brine has already indicated that they plan to defend themselves by claiming the seismic activity caused the cavern collapse. I suspect Texas Brine is probably right, but LA does not want to agree because then people would begin asking whether the ongoing seismic activity (and it IS ongoing, obviously) may cause other collapses. I.e., what else may the government and the companies be hiding regarding the stability of the many many caverns in the salt dome (or other salt domes?)?

- How MUCH methane and oil is now rising to the surface due to the collapse? It would seem that there must be a LOT of methane down there for there to be this much bubbling in the bayou, and so far from the sinkhole area.

- Will the continuing escape of gas through existing fissures create greater instability in the region and/or create the sinkhole to further expand, and or/create additional sinkholes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1688302


no it's Godzilla. no way it is fucking salt water. i don't feel the Sun hotter either. that isn't salt water you see, it is a methane bubble oozing around. maybe a giant worm snake.
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 Quoting: Earth Cries


OOookaaaay...


A few days ago, Hecox stated that there was a frack out, or a blow-OUT of the cavern. Now, he is advising the opposite. He is saying the side of the cavern blew-IN, under pressure.

Which is it? Why does it matter?

It matters, and I will try to explain why.

The initial scenario laid out was this. They stated that the well was bored out too large, and that the side close to the sediment layer was compromised. This, over years, caused the salt to give way, allowing 'compacted earth' to invade. This, in turn, caused the increased pressure which caused the frack-out, which led to the sinkhole.
I had problems with the logistics of this scenario, from the start, which I addressed previously, in one of the sinkhole threads.

Now, he is saying that the cavern 'blew IN, under pressure.' What does that tell us?

It confirms that my line of reasoning, when I stated that 'something' was 'pushing' on the side of the cavern, causing pressure and the resulting collapse.

Now, as I stated in another thread, Hecox is not just a geologist. He is a HYDROgeologist. He has been called in, by the government, to work on water table contamination problems before. Read this, it is really short:

[link to www.nmenv.state.nm.us]

So, now we know that 'pressure' 'caused a blow-in' of the cavern. We also know that Hecox has experience in how water travels and reacts under ground. He has experience in how gas and fuel travel underground. He has experience in cleaning up and protecting the water table...


I am going to think out loud, here.

What if Hecox is not there, just because of the sinkhole. What if he is there because of what CAUSED the sinkhole.

What caused the sinkhole? The pressure from outside the cavern. What caused the pressure? Something that they don't want to talk about. If it was another salt diapir, migrating upward (which is what I had, at first, hypothesized), I honestly think they would tell people. That scenario, at least, would not cause mass panic. That leaves 'something' else to be the cause...

I know everyone is saying that it is the methane 'ocean' migrating. I agree, but I am the type of person who has to figure these types of things out, for myself. I must have proof of this, not only for myself, but others, as well.

People tend to turn away from scary situations, unless they have 'proof' that they are in danger.


Can anyone help me to find some topographical maps (showing lift and subsidence) of Louisiana, preferably one from a few decades ago (circa 1960's to 1970's) and one from maybe one or two years ago?

I think we really ARE looking at the cause being the methane plume, migrating... This isn't just a 'wouldn't that be terrible if it happened' situation, anymore.

I would love to discuss this with anyone else who has found evidence supporting or contrary to, this migrating methane plume hypothesis.

Thanks everyone for staying on top of this!

Much love to all!
hf
 Quoting: Ant Storm 10117621


interesting
remember that the actual pressures are not as important as the relative differential pressures
from what I have read, balancing the pressures in all storage caverns is important or the wall may try to migrate, being sa salt is more plastic in nature

the dome has 50+ holes in it
could pressures be from something with very high density being put into one of the other caverns closeby?

when co2 goes supercritical (matter phase) its density becomes variable
the pressure and temp at certain depths could easily sustain that property in co2
and co2 and methane behave very similar
very deep methane moving slow with very high density would explain the seismo long waves

interesting, and good luck on the maps
very hard to find anything good

dr
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for fucks sake!


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Louisiana Sinkhole Briefing: Essentially, the earth is fractured from the salt cavern all the way to surface — Crude oil coming up through fracture zone (VIDEO)

[link to enenews.com]
 Quoting: Earth Cries


OOookaaaay...


A few days ago, Hecox stated that there was a frack out, or a blow-OUT of the cavern. Now, he is advising the opposite. He is saying the side of the cavern blew-IN, under pressure.

Which is it? Why does it matter?

hf
 Quoting: Ant Storm 10117621


Well, its the same thing: the inward collapse of the cavern wall forced what was contained inside (liquified gas, brine, diesel, whatever other crap that they shoved in there) to blow out. Remember, "fracking," or hydraulic fracturing, is using pressurized fluid to push petroleum out of layers of rock.

***No, it is NOT the same thing. The connotations of a 'blow-out' is inferred as 'internal' pressure, where the connotations of a 'blow-in' is inferred as 'external' pressure. The result may be the same, but the 'causes' will be different. Some people may be fooled, not me.

So, the salt cavern wall (solid) collapses into the well space which contains liquids, and the liquid is pushed into the cracks in the cavern wall, into the surrounding layers of rock, and pushes methane and hydrocarbons to the surface. Also, the collapse results in a destabilization of the surface overhead, resulting in the sinkhole.

The real questions are
- HOW did the cavern collapse??? LA wants to blame Texas Brine for using a cavern that they knew was unstable. LA also claims that the cavern collapse caused the seismic activity Texas Brine has already indicated that they plan to defend themselves by claiming the seismic activity caused the cavern collapse. I suspect Texas Brine is probably right, but LA does not want to agree because then people would begin asking whether the ongoing seismic activity (and it IS ongoing, obviously) may cause other collapses. I.e., what else may the government and the companies be hiding regarding the stability of the many many caverns in the salt dome (or other salt domes?)?


***okay. You didn't respond to the rest of my post.

It is important 'WHY' it happened, not only 'HOW' it happened. I stated it could have been caused by outside pressure from something rising up, alongside the Napoleonville Salt Dome. At first, I was playing with the idea of a 'new' salt diapir, rising up (doing what they do, continually, throughout their 'geological life-span'). I stated that this would account for the 'compacted earth' and the 'pressure'. Now I am wondering if it is something bigger than a new salt dome migrating, perhaps the methane plume hypothesis. The "HOW" is the premise for the 'frack-out.' The "WHY" is the reason behind the ongoing seismic activity. And yes, residents SHOULD be concerned about the stability of the other salt domes. The area in question is, and has been, geologically unstable. The ground in the entire southern half of Louisiana, tends to move independently of one another, like ice cubes in a glass. There are fault lines all over the place! The area is subject to subsidence, as well. AND salt domes are continually migrating.***

- How MUCH methane and oil is now rising to the surface due to the collapse? It would seem that there must be a LOT of methane down there for there to be this much bubbling in the bayou, and so far from the sinkhole area.

***Yeah, that is important and it is difficult to know the answer. It depends on which story you adhere to. If you think the source of the methane is from the surrounding 'untapped' oil and gas pockets, I am sure they have figures on how much is down there. They would know, because they have to figure in how long the production will last, to see if it is financially viable to tap in to them.
If you believe the methane is from the methane mat that was discovered in the GOM, then, well...***

- Will the continuing escape of gas through existing fissures create greater instability in the region and/or create the sinkhole to further expand, and or/create additional sinkholes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1688302


***Again, this depends on the amount of methane available. Methane takes the path of least resistance, when possible. It travels horizontally, until it finds a weak spot, then escapes, where it can. The problem won't be the gas exiting the fissures, the problem will be the pressure accumulated where it CAN'T find an exit. The degree of severity with a methane pocket, trapped underground, depends on how much methane has accumulated...

The salt dome has been compromised. They have already stated the likelihood of 'other' sinkholes opening in the area.***


I am not an expert, just a nerd trying to figure this out. I also live in the Gulf Coast area and have family who live in Louisiana, not too far from the sinkhole.

Thanks for the discussion!
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Hi morgan! Great find! I didn't see that, and glad you did :)
Sorry Ive been scant here the last couple days...things have been unexpected busy on my home front plus the Tigers are in the World Series (season ticket-holder here ;)

Any way, this is a piece I've been meaning to continue with from my previous post [link to www.google.com]
It's relevant to Morgan's find in a couple previous pages.

This sinkhole business is really deep in more ways than one...
I will post a few more findings as soon as possible, and I also want to thank the those who have given me good karma for the research here, it is much appreciated! hf

edited to add this [link to scholar.google.com]
 Quoting: goldielucks


thanks, goldie! another informative study.

Well records state that no sulfur was found upon the drilling at those two sites. Still, it remains a possibility that sulfur was thought to be somewhere nearby.

As the dome deteriorates, any sulfur layer could deteriorate along with it, adding to the mix.

This is why it's important for us to understand the geological makeup of the area, and, find out what we can about what else has been found, mined for, and, stored there for the last 80 odd years.

========
On another note, as you might remember, I still have my suspicions that the Oxy Geismer 3 site was not the smoking gun that started this entire mess, as early photographs definitely show prior indications of tree failure, oily stream runoff, and, land erosion in other areas further away.

Therefore, the salt dome collapse could just be the EARLIEST and WORST casualty of some much more widespread underlying problem.
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blah blah blah -- why not combine your bullshit into a horseshit thread
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my guess is that the "earthquake" was a jolt from within
the "cavern" rock structure, meaning: collapse is imminent.
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 Quoting: Earth Cries


OOookaaaay...


A few days ago, Hecox stated that there was a frack out, or a blow-OUT of the cavern. Now, he is advising the opposite. He is saying the side of the cavern blew-IN, under pressure.

Which is it? Why does it matter?

It matters, and I will try to explain why.

The initial scenario laid out was this. They stated that the well was bored out too large, and that the side close to the sediment layer was compromised. This, over years, caused the salt to give way, allowing 'compacted earth' to invade. This, in turn, caused the increased pressure which caused the frack-out, which led to the sinkhole.
I had problems with the logistics of this scenario, from the start, which I addressed previously, in one of the sinkhole threads.

Now, he is saying that the cavern 'blew IN, under pressure.' What does that tell us?

It confirms that my line of reasoning, when I stated that 'something' was 'pushing' on the side of the cavern, causing pressure and the resulting collapse.

Now, as I stated in another thread, Hecox is not just a geologist. He is a HYDROgeologist. He has been called in, by the government, to work on water table contamination problems before. Read this, it is really short:

[link to www.nmenv.state.nm.us]

So, now we know that 'pressure' 'caused a blow-in' of the cavern. We also know that Hecox has experience in how water travels and reacts under ground. He has experience in how gas and fuel travel underground. He has experience in cleaning up and protecting the water table...


I am going to think out loud, here.

What if Hecox is not there, just because of the sinkhole. What if he is there because of what CAUSED the sinkhole.

What caused the sinkhole? The pressure from outside the cavern. What caused the pressure? Something that they don't want to talk about. If it was another salt diapir, migrating upward (which is what I had, at first, hypothesized), I honestly think they would tell people. That scenario, at least, would not cause mass panic. That leaves 'something' else to be the cause...

I know everyone is saying that it is the methane 'ocean' migrating. I agree, but I am the type of person who has to figure these types of things out, for myself. I must have proof of this, not only for myself, but others, as well.

People tend to turn away from scary situations, unless they have 'proof' that they are in danger.


Can anyone help me to find some topographical maps (showing lift and subsidence) of Louisiana, preferably one from a few decades ago (circa 1960's to 1970's) and one from maybe one or two years ago?

I think we really ARE looking at the cause being the methane plume, migrating... This isn't just a 'wouldn't that be terrible if it happened' situation, anymore.

I would love to discuss this with anyone else who has found evidence supporting or contrary to, this migrating methane plume hypothesis.

Thanks everyone for staying on top of this!

Much love to all!
hf
 Quoting: Ant Storm 10117621


This 'blow-in' scenario would CONFIRM my previously mentioned suspicions that the salt-dome collapse WAS NOT GROUND ZERO, that it was a breech caused by some undiscovered, ongoing, off-site problem.

Refer to page 48 to read my outline, if you are not familiar with my findings.

In recent days I have been able to review much of this once again, and discovered at least one 'waterway' with an oil sheen on top, on the other side of the pipeline, as seen in the wealth of still photos posted by Assumption Jury (?) on August 25th.

A review of even older photos might help pinpoint ground zero, or, at least, areas to finally investigate.

I am open to discussion, andm action.


cool2
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 Quoting: Earth Cries


OOookaaaay...


A few days ago, Hecox stated that there was a frack out, or a blow-OUT of the cavern. Now, he is advising the opposite. He is saying the side of the cavern blew-IN, under pressure.

Which is it? Why does it matter?

It matters, and I will try to explain why.

The initial scenario laid out was this. They stated that the well was bored out too large, and that the side close to the sediment layer was compromised. This, over years, caused the salt to give way, allowing 'compacted earth' to invade. This, in turn, caused the increased pressure which caused the frack-out, which led to the sinkhole.
I had problems with the logistics of this scenario, from the start, which I addressed previously, in one of the sinkhole threads.

Now, he is saying that the cavern 'blew IN, under pressure.' What does that tell us?

It confirms that my line of reasoning, when I stated that 'something' was 'pushing' on the side of the cavern, causing pressure and the resulting collapse.

Now, as I stated in another thread, Hecox is not just a geologist. He is a HYDROgeologist. He has been called in, by the government, to work on water table contamination problems before. Read this, it is really short:

[link to www.nmenv.state.nm.us]

So, now we know that 'pressure' 'caused a blow-in' of the cavern. We also know that Hecox has experience in how water travels and reacts under ground. He has experience in how gas and fuel travel underground. He has experience in cleaning up and protecting the water table...


I am going to think out loud, here.

What if Hecox is not there, just because of the sinkhole. What if he is there because of what CAUSED the sinkhole.

What caused the sinkhole? The pressure from outside the cavern. What caused the pressure? Something that they don't want to talk about. If it was another salt diapir, migrating upward (which is what I had, at first, hypothesized), I honestly think they would tell people. That scenario, at least, would not cause mass panic. That leaves 'something' else to be the cause...

I know everyone is saying that it is the methane 'ocean' migrating. I agree, but I am the type of person who has to figure these types of things out, for myself. I must have proof of this, not only for myself, but others, as well.

People tend to turn away from scary situations, unless they have 'proof' that they are in danger.


Can anyone help me to find some topographical maps (showing lift and subsidence) of Louisiana, preferably one from a few decades ago (circa 1960's to 1970's) and one from maybe one or two years ago?

I think we really ARE looking at the cause being the methane plume, migrating... This isn't just a 'wouldn't that be terrible if it happened' situation, anymore.

I would love to discuss this with anyone else who has found evidence supporting or contrary to, this migrating methane plume hypothesis.

Thanks everyone for staying on top of this!

Much love to all!
hf
 Quoting: Ant Storm 10117621


This 'blow-in' scenario would CONFIRM my previously mentioned suspicions that the salt-dome collapse WAS NOT GROUND ZERO, that it was a breech caused by some undiscovered, ongoing, off-site problem.

Refer to page 48 to read my outline, if you are not familiar with my findings.

In recent days I have been able to review much of this once again, and discovered at least one 'waterway' with an oil sheen on top, on the other side of the pipeline, as seen in the wealth of still photos posted by Assumption Jury (?) on August 25th.

A review of even older photos might help pinpoint ground zero, or, at least, areas to finally investigate.

I am open to discussion, andm action.


cool2
 Quoting: Esoteric Morgan


yes, they have installed "sensor" devices all over Assumption Parish
to monitor all of the petroleum and natural gas percolating
up out of the ground (which is coming from the petroleum-gas
deposit reservoir deep down, inside, the Crust.
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OOookaaaay...


A few days ago, Hecox stated that there was a frack out, or a blow-OUT of the cavern. Now, he is advising the opposite. He is saying the side of the cavern blew-IN, under pressure.

Which is it? Why does it matter?

It matters, and I will try to explain why.

The initial scenario laid out was this. They stated that the well was bored out too large, and that the side close to the sediment layer was compromised. This, over years, caused the salt to give way, allowing 'compacted earth' to invade. This, in turn, caused the increased pressure which caused the frack-out, which led to the sinkhole.
I had problems with the logistics of this scenario, from the start, which I addressed previously, in one of the sinkhole threads.

Now, he is saying that the cavern 'blew IN, under pressure.' What does that tell us?

It confirms that my line of reasoning, when I stated that 'something' was 'pushing' on the side of the cavern, causing pressure and the resulting collapse.

Now, as I stated in another thread, Hecox is not just a geologist. He is a HYDROgeologist. He has been called in, by the government, to work on water table contamination problems before. Read this, it is really short:

[link to www.nmenv.state.nm.us]

So, now we know that 'pressure' 'caused a blow-in' of the cavern. We also know that Hecox has experience in how water travels and reacts under ground. He has experience in how gas and fuel travel underground. He has experience in cleaning up and protecting the water table...


I am going to think out loud, here.

What if Hecox is not there, just because of the sinkhole. What if he is there because of what CAUSED the sinkhole.

What caused the sinkhole? The pressure from outside the cavern. What caused the pressure? Something that they don't want to talk about. If it was another salt diapir, migrating upward (which is what I had, at first, hypothesized), I honestly think they would tell people. That scenario, at least, would not cause mass panic. That leaves 'something' else to be the cause...

I know everyone is saying that it is the methane 'ocean' migrating. I agree, but I am the type of person who has to figure these types of things out, for myself. I must have proof of this, not only for myself, but others, as well.

People tend to turn away from scary situations, unless they have 'proof' that they are in danger.


Can anyone help me to find some topographical maps (showing lift and subsidence) of Louisiana, preferably one from a few decades ago (circa 1960's to 1970's) and one from maybe one or two years ago?

I think we really ARE looking at the cause being the methane plume, migrating... This isn't just a 'wouldn't that be terrible if it happened' situation, anymore.

I would love to discuss this with anyone else who has found evidence supporting or contrary to, this migrating methane plume hypothesis.

Thanks everyone for staying on top of this!

Much love to all!
hf
 Quoting: Ant Storm 10117621


Very good post. Glad your helping us continue to put the pieces together here :)
I did some searching for the topography/tectonic info you were looking for and I found this document ---> ftp://ftp.es.usyd.edu.au/pub/dietmar/GEOS3104/Pracs/Prac9/Pap​ers/Harding_Lowell_structural_styles_in_petroleum_provinces_A​APG_Bull1979.pdf <----

As well as this 'World Stress Map' [link to dc-app3-14.gfz-potsdam.de]

[link to tle.geoscienceworld.org]

I believe that's what your looking for or similar to what you may have in mind :)

Also, I've found in my search that many of the scientists and university professors who have researched this subject have their work put in a archive database that they want people to pay for. Here's a good example [link to archives.datapages.com]

[link to archives.datapages.com]

Hope this helps. For further research this is an excellent tool I've been using [link to scholar.google.com]

No shortage of documents and research there cool2
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HOW MUCH OF THE SALT DOMES ARE COLLAPSING, OR IS THIS A DOMINOS EFFECT ?? Thread: SINKHOLE ...OIL IN The aquifer system TO BE IN 7 STATES ??? COMMENTS ABUZZ ON THE WEB IS IT HAPPENING ??
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This is such a non-event that I cannot help but look at the implications/agenda of a 51 page thread on it on glp.

What exactly do you 3-4 posters think is going to be the result of a new pond in swampland going to result in?

I commend you all in your research. Its impressive. Its just so mis-informed. Surely you could turn your talents towards more...relevant issues. I'm sure you won't so continue on in your quest to be relevant.
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Re: HUGE Louisiana sinkhole!!!!
This is such a non-event that I cannot help but look at the implications/agenda of a 51 page thread on it on glp.

What exactly do you 3-4 posters think is going to be the result of a new pond in swampland going to result in?

I commend you all in your research. Its impressive. Its just so mis-informed. Surely you could turn your talents towards more...relevant issues. I'm sure you won't so continue on in your quest to be relevant.
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time to change the name of the Parrish from Assumption to black hole because its no longer an assumption that there's a big black hole out there,lol...black hole Parrish ,its got a ring to it..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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I found a few videos that explain some of the processes found throughout the region, which may help us gain a clearer picture of things which can go wrong, and, how it happens.

They are all pretty short:

How the Aquifer Works
...easy to follow, amazing 6 minute video, will answer many of our questions


The next two explain fracking in different ways. I've included them because they explain the drill and casing aspects of gas extraction. I do not know if any of the gas producing wells at Naploeanville used this method, but the videos are pretty invaluable for their information.

Texas Brine was just granted a new permit on August 13th (yes, during this crisis) to dig Oxy Geismer 3A, a new injection well of "02 Unknown Product" just a bit SE (?) of the sinkhole. I do not know if they are utilizing it, but there have been tremors SE of it's sister well. [link to sonlite.dnr.state.la.us]

Fracking Explained with Animation
...not that I support this...

Hydraulic Fracturing- Shale Natural Gas Extraction


This last one is a bit old, yet, still an eye-opener.
NewsHour: toxic water from oil wells in Louisiana


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It was difficult finding videos specific to Louisiana that did not include the BP oil disaster, or, general sinkhole ones we've probably seen.

Since I'm on a few sinkhole threads, I'll probably post this on them also, so they aren't missed.

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Louisiana Sinkhole Briefing: Essentially, the earth is fractured from the salt cavern all the way to surface — Crude oil coming up through fracture zone (VIDEO)

[link to enenews.com]
 Quoting: Earth Cries


OOookaaaay...


A few days ago, Hecox stated that there was a frack out, or a blow-OUT of the cavern. Now, he is advising the opposite. He is saying the side of the cavern blew-IN, under pressure.

Which is it? Why does it matter?

It matters, and I will try to explain why.

The initial scenario laid out was this. They stated that the well was bored out too large, and that the side close to the sediment layer was compromised. This, over years, caused the salt to give way, allowing 'compacted earth' to invade. This, in turn, caused the increased pressure which caused the frack-out, which led to the sinkhole.
I had problems with the logistics of this scenario, from the start, which I addressed previously, in one of the sinkhole threads.

Now, he is saying that the cavern 'blew IN, under pressure.' What does that tell us?

It confirms that my line of reasoning, when I stated that 'something' was 'pushing' on the side of the cavern, causing pressure and the resulting collapse.

Now, as I stated in another thread, Hecox is not just a geologist. He is a HYDROgeologist. He has been called in, by the government, to work on water table contamination problems before. Read this, it is really short:

[link to www.nmenv.state.nm.us]

So, now we know that 'pressure' 'caused a blow-in' of the cavern. We also know that Hecox has experience in how water travels and reacts under ground. He has experience in how gas and fuel travel underground. He has experience in cleaning up and protecting the water table...


I am going to think out loud, here.

What if Hecox is not there, just because of the sinkhole. What if he is there because of what CAUSED the sinkhole.

What caused the sinkhole? The pressure from outside the cavern. What caused the pressure? Something that they don't want to talk about. If it was another salt diapir, migrating upward (which is what I had, at first, hypothesized), I honestly think they would tell people. That scenario, at least, would not cause mass panic. That leaves 'something' else to be the cause...

I know everyone is saying that it is the methane 'ocean' migrating. I agree, but I am the type of person who has to figure these types of things out, for myself. I must have proof of this, not only for myself, but others, as well.

People tend to turn away from scary situations, unless they have 'proof' that they are in danger.


Can anyone help me to find some topographical maps (showing lift and subsidence) of Louisiana, preferably one from a few decades ago (circa 1960's to 1970's) and one from maybe one or two years ago?

I think we really ARE looking at the cause being the methane plume, migrating... This isn't just a 'wouldn't that be terrible if it happened' situation, anymore.

I would love to discuss this with anyone else who has found evidence supporting or contrary to, this migrating methane plume hypothesis.

Thanks everyone for staying on top of this!

Much love to all!
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This 'blow-in' scenario would CONFIRM my previously mentioned suspicions that the salt-dome collapse WAS NOT GROUND ZERO, that it was a breech caused by some undiscovered, ongoing, off-site problem.

Refer to page 48 to read my outline, if you are not familiar with my findings.

In recent days I have been able to review much of this once again, and discovered at least one 'waterway' with an oil sheen on top, on the other side of the pipeline, as seen in the wealth of still photos posted by Assumption Jury (?) on August 25th.

A review of even older photos might help pinpoint ground zero, or, at least, areas to finally investigate.

I am open to discussion, andm action.


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 Quoting: Esoteric Morgan

Did you watch the resident briefings -part 5? At 4 min or so, Hecox sneaks in a 'I should mention the 2003 gas release situation..'- why, is that the scapegoat?? Anyways, made me think of your research..
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blah blah blah -- why not combine your bullshit into a horseshit thread
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well thanks for the bump....
but this is far from horse ....or typical BS
unlike your lovely post.

and wow looks like you even live in this country!

thank for looking out for your fellow country folk.
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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Re: HUGE Louisiana sinkhole!!!!
This is such a non-event that I cannot help but look at the implications/agenda of a 51 page thread on it on glp.

What exactly do you 3-4 posters think is going to be the result of a new pond in swampland going to result in?

I commend you all in your research. Its impressive. Its just so mis-informed. Surely you could turn your talents towards more...relevant issues. I'm sure you won't so continue on in your quest to be relevant.
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oh yah AC with the clapyman....
this is not a non-issue.
it is just a slow event play out in its own time.
an event that it has been clear for sometime that no one is capable of stopping!

this event has been in the works for some time....when will it end....who knows.
what will it do....who knows....but it truly could change the face of this country if things go bad.
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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- How MUCH methane and oil is now rising to the surface due to the collapse? It would seem that there must be a LOT of methane down there for there to be this much bubbling in the bayou, and so far from the sinkhole area.
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Theory is that methane is coming from GOM where there's a huge pocket of methane previously thought to be dormant, but in fact, active . . . chain of events set in motion by BP's compromise of fault line.
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This is such a non-event that I cannot help but look at the implications/agenda of a 51 page thread on it on glp.

What exactly do you 3-4 posters think is going to be the result of a new pond in swampland going to result in?

I commend you all in your research. Its impressive. Its just so mis-informed. Surely you could turn your talents towards more...relevant issues. I'm sure you won't so continue on in your quest to be relevant.
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The only "non-event" here in this thread is your post.
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I found a few videos that explain some of the processes found throughout the region, which may help us gain a clearer picture of things which can go wrong, and, how it happens.

They are all pretty short:

It was difficult finding videos specific to Louisiana that did not include the BP oil disaster, or, general sinkhole ones we've probably seen.

Since I'm on a few sinkhole threads, I'll probably post this on them also, so they aren't missed.


 Quoting: Esoteric Morgan



You've contributed some very interesting throughout this very serious topic.

hf
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blah blah blah -- why not combine your bullshit into a horseshit thread
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well thanks for the bump....
but this is far from horse ....or typical BS
unlike your lovely post.

and wow looks like you even live in this country!

thank for looking out for your fellow country folk.
 Quoting: psyoptics



The apathy in America is astounding . . .
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[link to www.youtube.com]

is it really all about this?
oil to make gas to run the pump to get more oil to make gas....to get more oil....to make gas...to get more oil.................

i think i feel sink.
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Todays fly over!



hf
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[link to www.fox44.com]

"if i can light the water in my faucet something is wrong," said Napoleonville resident

wtf
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[link to www.fox44.com]

"if i can light the water in my faucet something is wrong," said Napoleonville resident

wtf
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so what happen when the firetruck hooks up to this water and tries to use it to put out a house fire?

BOOM?
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New map of the sinkhole area.

[link to assumptionla.wordpress.com]
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