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Strange how embryos survived a million years before the evolution created umbilical cords right Mr Darwin?

 
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"You kept me screened off in the belly of my mother.
 I shall laud you because in a fear-inspiring way I am wonderfully made.
Your works are wonderful,
As my soul is very well aware.
 My bones were not hidden from you
When I was made in secret,
When I was woven in the lowest parts of the earth.
Your eyes saw even the embryo of me,
And in your book all its parts were down in writing," Ps139:14



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A bit to complex for the mortal mind to explain?
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A bit to complex for the mortal mind to explain?
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Nah. We're Canadian, we don't care about American bullshite superstitions.
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Ok, here's an easier question. If you are as smart as 'the evolution', post the first ten equations it wrote when writing the umbilical cord DNA.
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Care to explain how a fetus can live in a uterus without an umbilical cord?
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Stranger why intelligent design would give us an appendix.
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Care to explain how a fetus can live in a uterus without an umbilical cord?
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Intelligent design. Care to explain how it could live while waiting for the evolution to figure out this componet is needed, then design and construct it, with no intelligence?
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let me guess you also question how we pooped and peed before those parts where there to.
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Stranger why intelligent design would give us an appendix.
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There are no vestigials. They admitted this about the appendix long ago. Get with the time, man.

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Re: Strange how embryos survived a million years before the evolution created umbilical cords right Mr Darwin?
Mr Darwin is dead, so probably won't answer. Can you quote where Mr Darwin wrote "embryos survived a million years before evolution created umbilical cords"?

How do you explain that baby chickens don't all die when they are inside the egg? They don't have umbilical cords.
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Mr Darwin is dead, so probably won't answer. Can you quote where Mr Darwin wrote "embryos survived a million years before evolution created umbilical cords"?

How do you explain that baby chickens don't all die when they are inside the egg? They don't have umbilical cords.
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I honestly don't get what this guy is trying to prove or incite with his darwin posts...


The fact that everything had to be intelligently designed or what?

Hard to debate with someone that is VERY set in their way of thinking.
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Mr Darwin is dead, so probably won't answer. Can you quote where Mr Darwin wrote "embryos survived a million years before evolution created umbilical cords"?

How do you explain that baby chickens don't all die when they are inside the egg? They don't have umbilical cords.
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Must be the dumb luck of the brainless 'evolution' thing, surely could not be by intelligent design.
That would make no sense, right? Scientific design and intelligence just don't make sense...

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EXCELLENT series of posts DGN!
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The Guinea Worm has amazing and fantastic adaptations that enable it to survive.

Did God create it?
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Mr Darwin is dead, so probably won't answer. Can you quote where Mr Darwin wrote "embryos survived a million years before evolution created umbilical cords"?

How do you explain that baby chickens don't all die when they are inside the egg? They don't have umbilical cords.
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Must be the dumb luck of the brainless 'evolution' thing, surely could not be by intelligent design.
That would make no sense, right? Scientific design and intelligence just don't make sense...
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they don't have umbilical cords, therefore they should die. right?
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Your spatial faculties are limited in the first instance. Secondly as someone who believes we were 'invented' 6,000 years or so ago have you any grasp of time?
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The Guinea Worm has amazing and fantastic adaptations that enable it to survive.

Did God create it?
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Oh, ...no.... creation requires intelligence, surely once upon a time atoms of dirt just happen to stick together and accidentally formed the worm. If you doubt that's a scientific explanation just sprinkle some magic dirt in a glass of water and see for yourself;

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Re: Strange how embryos survived a million years before the evolution created umbilical cords right Mr Darwin?
And now my response from your other thread

Ah, the fallacy that for evolution to be true, one day something would have had to have been born fully developed into the form you see it today. This is going to be fairly long, but I will keep it as short as possible, since I know most of you aren't really interested in getting an answer anyway, you just want to try and shoot holes in evolution that don't exist.

Early on, all organisms were completely lacking in sex. They reproduced through mitochondrial division, which usually produced nearly identical copies of themselves. Over time, as organisms became more complex (multi-celled) they became what one would commonly think of as asexual. In these cases, they needed genetic material from other organisms to produce an offspring, but either organism could create the offspring. They both possessed the ability to do so. This method of reproduction allowed them to create stronger offsprings that shared the trait of paired reproduction, and was able to take advantage of the genetic traits of both parents. Organisms that possessed traits that gave themselves a competitive advantage survived to reproduce further. Asexual organisms that reproduce in this manner still exist, as do the aforementioned organisms that reproduce without the need to interact with others.

As organisms continued to develop into more complex organisms, members with certain chromosome combinations began developing primary sexual characteristics, while their reproductive characteristics for the other half of the reproductive function became less developed. Certain members of the species were better able to function in reproductive roles than others of that species, and thus began the divergence into two sexes. The specialized sexual characteristics allowed these organisms to breed stronger offspring as their reproductive characteristics were better suited for breeding strong offspring and their body could devote a greater part of its make-up to the single sexual characteristic instead of having to split evenly between both, so, as is always the case of survival of the fittest, the weaker members without these specialized characteristics began dying off. Note, these were gradual changes. Slowly the primary sexual characteristics became stronger while their opposite sexual characteristics waned. This was not as you probably want to characterize it, suddenly one insect was born a male and another a female.

Through this progression, we gradually ended up with two well-defined sexes that were only capable of breeding with a member of the opposite sex, but could create far stronger offspring due to their highly developed sexual characteristics. You can find organisms all over the world today that are at the various stages of sexual development and definition throughout the spectrum I have briefly explained.


Now, I eagerly await the straw men and fallacies you religitards use to shoot this down. I don't have any illusions that explaining this to you will change your mind or enlighten you, as I am sure that by this point, you are beyond hope. I only answered because you asked the question and no one else showed you the courtesy to explain how it works under evolutionary theory. I'll also note that I tried to keep this brief, so I am obviously leaving out a lot and don't have room to cite and explain everything in depth. You wanted an answer, I gave it. Now you know how it is explained. You are free to believe whatever you like though.


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Darwin is dead. Get on with your life already. It's called "Darwin's theory." Surely you know what a theory is, or not?
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OP what is the point of these threads? You don't even try to discuss the matters you raise. All you say can be summed up as: "DGN thinks evolution is wrong and ridiculous".

What is the point? If you don't want to discuss it, why bother starting so many threads about it????
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OP, why do you ask questions when you don't want the answers?
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Re: Strange how embryos survived a million years before the evolution created umbilical cords right Mr Darwin?
Pay attention DGN. This is ancient wisdom from the likes of Hermes and Thoth, contemporaries of Abraham.

Spirit = THE ALL; the Infinite Living Mind. Spirit is the invisible, moveable, ever active positive principle in motion.


Matter = is solidified spirit. It is the passive of negative principle.

Involution = The descent of spirit into matter; the transmutation of spirit into matter.

Evolution = Matter’s ascent/return to Spirit; the transmutation of matter back into spirit.

Note: One Divine Year = 360 Common Years

There are 4 Great Cycles/Ages of “human” evolution (which involves the involution of the spirit/soul).

Golden Age = We were mostly spiritual in nature, very little matter.
= 720 Divine Years = 720 X 360 = 259,200 common years. – Pole Motion = 36 degrees


Silver Age = Less spiritual, more matter.
= 540 Divine Years = 540 X 360 = 194,400 common years - Pole Motion = 27 degrees

Copper Age = Ever less spiritual and more and more matter
= 360 Divine Years = 360 X 360 = 129,600 common years - Pole Motion = 18 degrees

Iron Age = Spirit is now in the dense, barbarial age/state of its involution (it is now mostly matter), and became more and more gross until it reached the very lowest point of the Iron Age and then began the evolution of matter back
to Spirit.
= 180 Divine Years = 180 X 360 = 64,800 common years - Pole Motion = 9 degrees

Total common years = 648,000 = 1,800 Divine Years

Total Pole Motion = 90 degrees = ¼ of the entire circle/spiral

Complete orbit of 360 degrees would take 1,800 Divine Years X 4 = 2,592,000 common years = 1 Polar Day
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OP what is the point of these threads? You don't even try to discuss the matters you raise. All you say can be summed up as: "DGN thinks evolution is wrong and ridiculous".

What is the point? If you don't want to discuss it, why bother starting so many threads about it????
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To enable whoever is enslaved to the Church of 'the evolution' to examine the evidence scientifically. All the believers together have never produced one single fossil of a half this and half that creature, because they only existed in fantasy land. This religion mocks the potential of the mortal mind and disenables it to develop spiritual/scientific intelligence.
"These are fountains without water, and mists driven by a violent storm, and for them the blackness of darkness has been reserved. 18 For they utter swelling expressions of no profit, and by the desires of the flesh and by loose habits they entice those who are just escaping from people who conduct themselves in error. 19 While they are promising them freedom, they themselves are existing as slaves of corruption. For whoever is overcome by another is enslaved by this one. 20 Certainly if, after having escaped from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, the final conditions have become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it accurately to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 The saying of the true proverb has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.” 2Pe2:17
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OP what is the point of these threads? You don't even try to discuss the matters you raise. All you say can be summed up as: "DGN thinks evolution is wrong and ridiculous".

What is the point? If you don't want to discuss it, why bother starting so many threads about it????
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To enable whoever is enslaved to the Church of 'the evolution' to examine the evidence scientifically. All the believers together have never produced one single fossil of a half this and half that creature, because they only existed in fantasy land. This religion mocks the potential of the mortal mind and disenables it to develop spiritual/scientific intelligence.
"These are fountains without water, and mists driven by a violent storm, and for them the blackness of darkness has been reserved. 18 For they utter swelling expressions of no profit, and by the desires of the flesh and by loose habits they entice those who are just escaping from people who conduct themselves in error. 19 While they are promising them freedom, they themselves are existing as slaves of corruption. For whoever is overcome by another is enslaved by this one. 20 Certainly if, after having escaped from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, the final conditions have become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it accurately to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 The saying of the true proverb has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.” 2Pe2:17
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I'd take evolution over believing that the earth is only 6000 years old and people and dinosaurs co-existed. You creationists are totally devoid of a scientific mind.

Evolution did not happen Wham BAM just like that. It happened over millions of years.

Go back to reading your fairytale.
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OP what is the point of these threads? You don't even try to discuss the matters you raise. All you say can be summed up as: "DGN thinks evolution is wrong and ridiculous".

What is the point? If you don't want to discuss it, why bother starting so many threads about it????
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To enable whoever is enslaved to the Church of 'the evolution' to examine the evidence scientifically.
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Then let's see your evidence instead of you just idiotically asking the same questions over and over again and hoping you find a hole in evolution or hoping that no one with any sort of education comes on to answer them?

Come on. LET'S SEE YOUR EVIDENCE!!!

I've asked you in 3 threads now to produce this "evidence" that you have, and all you do is quote the bible, ignore posts that answer your questions and run away.
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OP what is the point of these threads? You don't even try to discuss the matters you raise. All you say can be summed up as: "DGN thinks evolution is wrong and ridiculous".

What is the point? If you don't want to discuss it, why bother starting so many threads about it????
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To enable whoever is enslaved to the Church of 'the evolution' to examine the evidence scientifically. All the believers together have never produced one single fossil of a half this and half that creature, because they only existed in fantasy land. This religion mocks the potential of the mortal mind and disenables it to develop spiritual/scientific intelligence.
"These are fountains without water, and mists driven by a violent storm, and for them the blackness of darkness has been reserved. 18 For they utter swelling expressions of no profit, and by the desires of the flesh and by loose habits they entice those who are just escaping from people who conduct themselves in error. 19 While they are promising them freedom, they themselves are existing as slaves of corruption. For whoever is overcome by another is enslaved by this one. 20 Certainly if, after having escaped from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, the final conditions have become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it accurately to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 The saying of the true proverb has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.” 2Pe2:17
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I'd take evolution over believing that the earth is only 6000 years old and people and dinosaurs co-existed. You creationists are totally devoid of a scientific mind.

Evolution did not happen Wham BAM just like that. It happened over millions of years.

Go back to reading your fairytale.
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Does the fossil record suggest the earth was created 6,000 years ago?
"In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there as darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.
 And God proceeded to sy: “Let light come to be.” Then there came to be light. 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God brought about a division between the light and the darkness.  And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day." Ge1:1
Science suggests this was billions of years ago.
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OP what is the point of these threads? You don't even try to discuss the matters you raise. All you say can be summed up as: "DGN thinks evolution is wrong and ridiculous".

What is the point? If you don't want to discuss it, why bother starting so many threads about it????
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To enable whoever is enslaved to the Church of 'the evolution' to examine the evidence scientifically. All the believers together have never produced one single fossil of a half this and half that creature, because they only existed in fantasy land. This religion mocks the potential of the mortal mind and disenables it to develop spiritual/scientific intelligence.
"These are fountains without water, and mists driven by a violent storm, and for them the blackness of darkness has been reserved. 18 For they utter swelling expressions of no profit, and by the desires of the flesh and by loose habits they entice those who are just escaping from people who conduct themselves in error. 19 While they are promising them freedom, they themselves are existing as slaves of corruption. For whoever is overcome by another is enslaved by this one. 20 Certainly if, after having escaped from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, the final conditions have become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it accurately to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 The saying of the true proverb has happened to them: “The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the mire.” 2Pe2:17
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I'd take evolution over believing that the earth is only 6000 years old and people and dinosaurs co-existed. You creationists are totally devoid of a scientific mind.

Evolution did not happen Wham BAM just like that. It happened over millions of years.

Go back to reading your fairytale.
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What.... ya mean it wasn't like this?

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And now my response from your other thread

Ah, the fallacy that for evolution to be true, one day something would have had to have been born fully developed into the form you see it today. This is going to be fairly long, but I will keep it as short as possible, since I know most of you aren't really interested in getting an answer anyway, you just want to try and shoot holes in evolution that don't exist.

Early on, all organisms were completely lacking in sex. They reproduced through mitochondrial division, which usually produced nearly identical copies of themselves. Over time, as organisms became more complex (multi-celled) they became what one would commonly think of as asexual. In these cases, they needed genetic material from other organisms to produce an offspring, but either organism could create the offspring. They both possessed the ability to do so. This method of reproduction allowed them to create stronger offsprings that shared the trait of paired reproduction, and was able to take advantage of the genetic traits of both parents. Organisms that possessed traits that gave themselves a competitive advantage survived to reproduce further. Asexual organisms that reproduce in this manner still exist, as do the aforementioned organisms that reproduce without the need to interact with others.

As organisms continued to develop into more complex organisms, members with certain chromosome combinations began developing primary sexual characteristics, while their reproductive characteristics for the other half of the reproductive function became less developed. Certain members of the species were better able to function in reproductive roles than others of that species, and thus began the divergence into two sexes. The specialized sexual characteristics allowed these organisms to breed stronger offspring as their reproductive characteristics were better suited for breeding strong offspring and their body could devote a greater part of its make-up to the single sexual characteristic instead of having to split evenly between both, so, as is always the case of survival of the fittest, the weaker members without these specialized characteristics began dying off. Note, these were gradual changes. Slowly the primary sexual characteristics became stronger while their opposite sexual characteristics waned. This was not as you probably want to characterize it, suddenly one insect was born a male and another a female.

Through this progression, we gradually ended up with two well-defined sexes that were only capable of breeding with a member of the opposite sex, but could create far stronger offspring due to their highly developed sexual characteristics. You can find organisms all over the world today that are at the various stages of sexual development and definition throughout the spectrum I have briefly explained.


Now, I eagerly await the straw men and fallacies you religitards use to shoot this down. I don't have any illusions that explaining this to you will change your mind or enlighten you, as I am sure that by this point, you are beyond hope. I only answered because you asked the question and no one else showed you the courtesy to explain how it works under evolutionary theory. I'll also note that I tried to keep this brief, so I am obviously leaving out a lot and don't have room to cite and explain everything in depth. You wanted an answer, I gave it. Now you know how it is explained. You are free to believe whatever you like though.



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