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What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo

 
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it had already been established what and who was the "kingdom" and the separation between the kingdom of this earth and the kingdom of heaven.

two different things, but tied together with one being.

when Satan tempted Jesus in the desert, it was already known who reigned king over the kingdom of the earth AS WELL AS the kingdom of heaven.

the temptation was about AVOIDING the cross to establish His already positioned place as King over both.

do a deeper study and the answers will be revealed.

there are parallels between the temptation of Adam and the temptation of Jesus.

the tactic is to avoid God's plan and to devise a plan of their own.

hints.
 Quoting: Salt


how could Jesus be tempted by Satan's offer if he 'knew' Satan couldn't deliver on his offer of all the kingdoms of the world, in exchange for a single act of worship?

Hebrews 4:15
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin."
Think I agree w/ the rest and even, at least partially with "already established ". Wd love to talk about your observed parallels with Adam. I know some, I think.
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bsflag He would still own everything if he was God which he is not and it is blasphemy to say/think/teach otherwise .
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scripture and apocryphals reveal that Jesus intellectually and spiritually knew his Messiah-ship, but He was still human and experienced every human temptation known to man.

scripture and apocryphals also reveal that Jesus sweat great drops of blood in the stress involved with his demise to come at the cross. he didn't lie down and go without pain, agony and torment.

he was human and he was deity.

he was both and experienced both.
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There is a big difference between being the Messiah(Anointed one) and God.
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not really.

think of Jesus as the probe of God, being clothed in carnal humanity, in order to fulfill a purpose.
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A glas of water compared to the ocean.
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bsflag He would still own everything if he was God which he is not and it is blasphemy to say/think/teach otherwise .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21604263


scripture and apocryphals reveal that Jesus intellectually and spiritually knew his Messiah-ship, but He was still human and experienced every human temptation known to man.

scripture and apocryphals also reveal that Jesus sweat great drops of blood in the stress involved with his demise to come at the cross. he didn't lie down and go without pain, agony and torment.

he was human and he was deity.

he was both and experienced both.
 Quoting: Salt


There is a big difference between being the Messiah(Anointed one) and God.
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not really.

think of Jesus as the probe of God, being clothed in carnal humanity, in order to fulfill a purpose.
 Quoting: Salt


You don't accept there is a difference between a human being and the almighty Creator of the Universe ? How could he have been both the Messiah and God ? Did he anoint himself ?
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Re: What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo
its not intriguing, and what is this "devil"? Beings at the level of Jesus NEVER fall.
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So your saying that if this perfect being lived ever single life of the beings in the cosmos and had no clue who he was going through living these lives in the cosmos that this being wouldn't fall....

You don't understand the nature of Spirits and who all spirits are modeled after
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If jesus took the offer, he would have been made into a god to the people of earth. They would worship him because he would represent the lawless one. He would have his followers do away with the law of the old testament, and bring a new one that focuses mostly on himself. He might even give the impression that you can now sin all you want as long as your focus and faith is on him. This of course would cause division between his followers and the followers of the true god. It would probably cause some wars. He would probably change the dates of worship from the sabbath to sunday as a mockery to the true god.

Oh man the more i think about it the more i see that if he had accepted that offer he would change the entire religios scene on earth.
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Re: What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo
it had already been established what and who was the "kingdom" and the separation between the kingdom of this earth and the kingdom of heaven.

two different things, but tied together with one being.

when Satan tempted Jesus in the desert, it was already known who reigned king over the kingdom of the earth AS WELL AS the kingdom of heaven.

the temptation was about AVOIDING the cross to establish His already positioned place as King over both.

do a deeper study and the answers will be revealed.

there are parallels between the temptation of Adam and the temptation of Jesus.

the tactic is to avoid God's plan and to devise a plan of their own.

hints.
 Quoting: Salt


how could Jesus be tempted by Satan's offer if he 'knew' Satan couldn't deliver on his offer of all the kingdoms of the world, in exchange for a single act of worship?

Hebrews 4:15
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin."
Think I agree w/ the rest and even, at least partially with "already established ". Wd love to talk about your observed parallels with Adam. I know some, I think.
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faith has to be an involving factor. Jesus had to have a completion of the human experience (outside of sin).

have you ever known what is right but still struggled with the weakness that you knew would crush the assignment?

here's the thing. Satan knew Jesus struggled and feared going to the cross. He used that after 40 days of fasting to try and tempt Jesus in His most weak state, to try to "offer" him a shortcut to His present state without having to suffer to get there.

i know every person can identify with this on some level.

it is a beautiful thing, really.

it shows Jesus in His most vulnerable state.

i love it. i especially love the rationality and the victory over it.

try to visualize yourself after 40 days of fasting.
seriously.
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its not intriguing, and what is this "devil"? Beings at the level of Jesus NEVER fall.
 Quoting: Margaret Smith


So your saying that if this perfect being lived ever single life of the beings in the cosmos and had no clue who he was going through living these lives in the cosmos that this being wouldn't fall....

You don't understand the nature of Spirits and who all spirits are modeled after
 Quoting: TT YeSHua TT


there is no evil in the 'spirit' world, my friend...it is a human construct, as is fear.
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its not intriguing, and what is this "devil"? Beings at the level of Jesus NEVER fall.
 Quoting: Margaret Smith


So your saying that if this perfect being lived ever single life of the beings in the cosmos and had no clue who he was going through living these lives in the cosmos that this being wouldn't fall....

You don't understand the nature of Spirits and who all spirits are modeled after
 Quoting: TT YeSHua TT


there is no evil in the 'spirit' world, my friend...it is a human construct, as is fear.
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Is Duality of human origin?
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i dont know about the scriptures as much as you do but in my time when i was on the mountain with satan himself he bowed down to me on all fours and i was just a young man then.. he didnt really offer me everything to bow down to him.. he just wanted for us to be friend forever and i said that he would never be my friend out of righteousness sake and he was on his way after i was about to clash with him for disrespecting me.. i was a tough young guy back then before the machine got to me and started pumping me full of poisons.. anyway thats my part im sharing with you just so you know how it really went down.. this is melbourne by the way dont let the ip fool ya ;0
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Re: What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo
i'm convinced jesus is from space and the halo depicted around his head is simply a misinterpreted helmet.
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You're mistaken. The halo is derived from the rings of Saturn, and the Saturn cult.
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If jesus took the offer, he would have been made into a god to the people of earth. They would worship him because he would represent the lawless one. He would have his followers do away with the law of the old testament, and bring a new one that focuses mostly on himself. He might even give the impression that you can now sin all you want as long as your focus and faith is on him. This of course would cause division between his followers and the followers of the true god. It would probably cause some wars. He would probably change the dates of worship from the sabbath to sunday as a mockery to the true god.

Oh man the more i think about it the more i see that if he had accepted that offer he would change the entire religios scene on earth.
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maybe you're right, somewhat, but I still think this fits better-

But that's why it was a temptation.
He would love to have begun his rule then and relieve the suffering of humans.
He ,probably tempted almost to the limit of what he could bear, resisted and though not knowing his father's timetable or reasons for delay, trusted his father would get it right
Certainly demonstrates the truth of 1 john 5:19, though , huh?
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its not intriguing, and what is this "devil"? Beings at the level of Jesus NEVER fall.
 Quoting: Margaret Smith


So your saying that if this perfect being lived ever single life of the beings in the cosmos and had no clue who he was going through living these lives in the cosmos that this being wouldn't fall....

You don't understand the nature of Spirits and who all spirits are modeled after
 Quoting: TT YeSHua TT


there is no evil in the 'spirit' world, my friend...it is a human construct, as is fear.
 Quoting: exiled1


Is Duality of human origin?
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depends on your interpretation of
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its not intriguing, and what is this "devil"? Beings at the level of Jesus NEVER fall.
 Quoting: Margaret Smith


So your saying that if this perfect being lived ever single life of the beings in the cosmos and had no clue who he was going through living these lives in the cosmos that this being wouldn't fall....

You don't understand the nature of Spirits and who all spirits are modeled after
 Quoting: TT YeSHua TT


there is no evil in the 'spirit' world, my friend...it is a human construct, as is fear.
 Quoting: exiled1


You would be correct but then you also have to realize that where all of this came from is a spirit "your origin spirit" needing and requiring love and evil to take place in order for reality to go a specific way for this being and all spirits.

So truly evil is a concept of the mind

I know this concept very well, I created it 4 us

Yet this is the spirit world, we are a world of spirits that have forgotten this.

This is an extension of my Kingdom yet under this House I have many rooms I have built for us yet sometimes this house becomes broken

Its our Job to rebuild it

Yet I am the builder and the destroyer

guess I'm my own worst enemy...



:Housse of god:
:House of tha lor:
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What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer?
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A intriguing question.. I want you all to think about what would have happened if Jesus took the Devils offer of all the Kingdoms of the world. He turned it down btw. But what if he took up the offer? What would life have been like for us? This isnt meant to slander Christianity , nor Judaism ( I am not implying they are the devil ) but to later highlight the fact that in Judaism, the Messiah is expected to be a actual Priest King who would change peoples lives. Jesus was a pacifist, peacemaker and honorably could not nor would not be a warrior King. Violence would have had to be used to free countries from occupation that they did not want. In Jesus time. Israel was a Roman Occupation.


QOUTE: By the time of Jesus' birth, the Romans had established a two-tiered system of government consisting of Roman overseers and Jewish leaders who exercised control in the name of Rome. This was the system of power in which the family of Herod the Great grew to prominence. Although half-jewish people, the Herodian family was detested by the Jewish people for its tyrannical rule and also because of its key role in selling out the Jewish heritage to a foreign power. One of Herod's sons, Archelaus, was so brutal in his exercise of power in Jerusalem, that Rome replaced him with one of its own governors, Pontius Pilate, who was to play a significant role in the crucifixion of Jesus. Another of the sons, Herod Antipas, was responsible for the beheading of John the Baptist. It was the same Antipas who is accredited with the mocking of Jesus at his pre-crucifixion trial. (END QOUTE) [link to dlibrary.acu.edu.au]


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Matthew 4:8,9

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”



What a wonderful and benevolent government Jesus could have set up. How exemplary justice would have been. Maybe there would have been Habitat projects all over Israel for anyone who needed a home. And the proud, the rich, and the powerful could not have dominated their fellow citizens. As a twentieth-century governor and president I would have had a perfect pattern to follow. I could have pointed to the Bible and told other government leaders, "This is what Jesus did 2000 years ago in government. Why don't we do the same?" .

.-Jimmy Carter. 39th President of the United States. (1977–1981)



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the whole idea is ridiculous to begin with.

satan cannot give that which isn't his to begin with, number one

number two, Christ was God in flesh, the owner of all souls and all things from start to finish A to Z.

words are easy to throw around when they have no foundation in truth of fact. satan can also pretend he can buy your soul, but your soul isn't up for sale and you don't own it either, your Father the Creator does and that's all she wrote.
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If jesus took the offer, he would have been made into a god to the people of earth. They would worship him because he would represent the lawless one. He would have his followers do away with the law of the old testament, and bring a new one that focuses mostly on himself. He might even give the impression that you can now sin all you want as long as your focus and faith is on him. This of course would cause division between his followers and the followers of the true god. It would probably cause some wars. He would probably change the dates of worship from the sabbath to sunday as a mockery to the true god.

Oh man the more i think about it the more i see that if he had accepted that offer he would change the entire religios scene on earth.
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maybe you're right, somewhat, but I still think this fits better-

But that's why it was a temptation.
He would love to have begun his rule then and relieve the suffering of humans.
He ,probably tempted almost to the limit of what he could bear, resisted and though not knowing his father's timetable or reasons for delay, trusted his father would get it right
Certainly demonstrates the truth of 1 john 5:19, though , huh?
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I forgot, wanted to add this scripture-
King James Bible Ps 110.1
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

And then Satan cast out of heaven: "Woe to the earth and sea b/c the accuser of our brothers has come down to you, full of great anger ,knowing he has a short time"
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since Jesus was supposedly God, he should have said "I already own everything bitch! Get lost loser!"
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Re: What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo
Jesus is a fictional character.
500 Billion Galaxies in the observable universe. 100 Trillion stars in the Milky way. 50 Million potentially habitable planets in the Milky Way. And you're telling me ETs don't exist?
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Re: What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo
what if that is not jesus being offered to rule?
an assumtion by those who accepted,
subsequently writing history.
rome cencored a lot
and eventually was cencored too
by the conquerer

the reverse of that question still applies.

hf
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Apollo, will the anointing you mentioned be televised or done in secret?

P.S. I believe the shampoo salesman was Paul Mitchell.
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Yet I am the builder and the destroyer

guess I'm my own worst enemy...



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Don't be so hard on yourself.

Remember? You didn't create evil, you just created intelligent beings and gave them free will!
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Re: What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo
the point is that Satan did not offer Jesus the kingdoms of the world. he offered him an escape from the cross.

(Jesus knew it was bullshit, but he was still tempted)
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Yup and the op sure is a slippery one.
We will pass through the Seven Years or serve God's Will as martyrs.
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Re: What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo
When Jesus quoted Deuteronomy he said that "man must live by every WORD from the mouth of YHVH". Yet if you go to an interlinear translation from the hebrew this hebrew word for WORD, which is davar (dabar) is NOT THERE!
Could anyone please explain this?
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Apollo, will the anointing you mentioned be televised or done in secret?

P.S. I believe the shampoo salesman was Paul Mitchell.
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Mr Poopra ! Good question ! I wish I could have seen the anointing of the King in Old Jerusalem. I do know that Samuel anointed Saul and King David and then Elijah anointed Hezael

They say a prophet along the lines of Samuel and Elijah is to anoint King Moshiach with the original jug of olive oil that Moshe blended and then it will be a historical monumental moment in time.

They hid away the actual jug of oil to await the Moshiach. Its incredible that they are waiting for him now..
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Re: What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo
Becareful those on the fence. Apollo is not what he seem's. He's a sheep in wolf's clothing.
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Apollo, will the anointing you mentioned be televised or done in secret?

P.S. I believe the shampoo salesman was Paul Mitchell.
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Also too, Moshiach will ride on a donkey, Remember that Absalom rode in on the Kings donkey and he had a sad end..So the donkey ride was set aside only for the prophecied one.

Absalom rode on the king’s mule (II Sam. 19:9; I Kings 1:38; 1:44). The king’s mule was set aside for the king. Absalom knew if he was spotted on his father’s mule it would appear to the multitudes that he was now the king of Israel.
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Becareful those on the fence. Apollo is not what he seem's. He's a sheep in wolf's clothing.
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How so?
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Re: What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo
God?Jesus?Satan?Demons?

Jesus?
2000 years ago the boy was born, his name was Jesus.
He was the Gods creation and our Messiah who was send to Earth to save the mankind, to spread a word about God.
He show us the power that God gave him, turning the water in whine and resurrecting dead people.
His mission was to make us to believe in God, to make us to live in peace and accept our destiny and our existence.
But no, we did not accept him as our Messiah, what we done, we torture, him betrayed him and saw him as threat.
He died not for our sins, he died coz of our sins.
That day when Jesus died God knew that we are not ready to accept his enlightenment.

Muhammed?
700 years after Jesus, God decided to try again.
This time he didnt send Jesus, He chose a human to be his next prophet and new Messiah, and his name was Muhammed.
He chose him coz Muhammed knew that human are corrupted, possessed by the dark side, and he knew if you believe in more gods then one is sin.
He started to spread words about God just like Jesus, but he fail, he fail coz people feared of new religion they feared of new religion coz they thought that will harm their personal benefits.

Satan?
He is just Gods slave, God created him to test us, we have 2 sides good side and dark side, good side is possessed by God and dark side is possessed by Satan, Satan is crated to lead us to dark side, but if we true love God and believe in Him we will chose the good side and good path.
And those war between God and Satan and angels vs demons are nothing than SiFi.

Demons?
Demons are just like angels created by God and Satan control them, since God control Satan he control also and demons, demons have a power to possess our soul and lead us to dark side but if you have strong will, and if you have strong beliefs they will not be able to lead you on dark side.

Angels?
Opposite side of demons, our guardians, created to lead us on good side if you have strong will, and if you have strong beliefs you will hear their voice.

Illuminati?Masons?Secret Society?
They exist and they are here but are they dangerous, answer is nope, they dont control your mind, they dont control world, NWO is crap, bullshit.
Ok there is a question, how something can be secret when whole world know about them, those who control us are we trap ourselves in illusion we created those illusion not some illuminati or secret society, they are only living in our heads and we need to start to believe and we need to chose right path.

We need to change this!

"People lives they lives bound by what they see as "right" and "true."
That is what they call "reality."
However, "right" and "true" are nothing but vague terms.
Their reality could turn out to be an illusion.
Everyone is living by their own assumptions."
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Re: What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo
Jesus laughs. Ha...I laugh!

It would never even enter Jesus' mind.

Jesus is above Lucifer.
Jesus is God's son!
Lucifer isn't, he's God's creation.

Jesus knows His Father's Perfect Plan
and all about His Father's Business.
That's the whole lovin' point Lucille!

How the crap could one be convinced to
do something when they already know the
truth and the end results?

You are looking at this through your flesh eyes...
temporal, about to be over.
I'll take Eternity with Jesus and Father God!

Lucifer has already been convicted.
The one to perish...Son of Perdition.
Jesus was there at those trials.

Your thoughts in the flesh realm are shallow.
Even though your thoughts are and can be profound
and interesting.

This Earth Age is about over.
Lucifer THINKS he's gonna keep this flesh realm going.
Not a chance. Not a fuckin' chance.
Praise God!



Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem

(Edit: Sorry...I fixed all my mistake typos...
I haven't had air conditioning since Sunday,
I think it's messing with my fingers typing.
Getting fixed tomorrow! Thank You Jesus!)

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Re: What if Jesus would have taken the Devils Offer? by Apollo
Apollo, will the anointing you mentioned be televised or done in secret?

P.S. I believe the shampoo salesman was Paul Mitchell.
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Mr Poopra ! Good question ! I wish I could have seen the anointing of the King in Old Jerusalem. I do know that Samuel anointed Saul and King David and then Elijah anointed Hezael

They say a prophet along the lines of Samuel and Elijah is to anoint King Moshiach with the original jug of olive oil that Moshe blended and then it will be a historical monumental moment in time.

Ill get back with you on details when I make a post on this..But they hid away the actual jug of oil to await the Moshiach. Its incredible that they are waiting for him now..
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


I wonder how they plan on revealing him in a way that won't make him look like the freaking anti-christ. They have their work cut out for them. Or maybe that's the plan? I always had suspicions that Hitler was framed to a large degree and his image skewed after his disappearance. A sort of fall guy for a larger, more heinous conspiracy.

Then again, God keeps his promises and the Golden Age IS coming. I don't see how a nefarious individual will be "allowed" by the current energies to attain great power. I genuinely see things only getting better. After they get worse of course...

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