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People, words matter. Get your facts straight. Some people are misquoting what he said to suit their own biases and assumptions.

In Moore's DVDs he said over and over again that he did not know an exact date for when Nibiru might sail through the inner solar system, but that all the different government and private organizations he referenced had plans to be ready by the end of 2009. It was not a SHTF date, it was a be ready by date for governments and major private companies. That did happen. He was expecting it to be here sooner. He was concerned about 2010, but he was never certain of and never has given an exact date.

The dates of August 17th and September 26th were not Moore's dates or his sources dates. It was Mike Harris's sources's date. In that two hour show they did together, they discussed the incompatible difference between the size of Nibiru and the object Mike Harris's source warned about. They left that difference open for question.

That is not "backing off", that is just what the man has said.
 Quoting: Resister

Yes.

And to understand John Moore one needs to realize his position is based upon facts gathered pointing to a dramatic change of coastlines (via the US Navy, evidence and corroborations accumulated over decades).

Now whether this change will be due to some celestial body entering our solar system, well, who knows?

But on the coastlines question, this evidence is hard to dismiss.

In addition, with current uncertain condtions in the US AND the world (political, economic, military, etc.), prepping for disaster at this time seems like a most prudent idea.
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Thank you for moderating this mature and adult thread. I appreciate an open discussion WITH FACTS concerning John Moore.

Now, let me start by saying this.

I was never completely for or against Mr. Moore and his information. In fact, I was 100% on the fence. There seemed to be a somewhat significant ''ring of truth'' to what he was saying, but something just seemed a little off.

As such, I decided to reserve judgement and continued to listen for more information.

Now, I can't remember which show it was, but I believe it was a show from the last few days of July or very early August. Anyway, in this show, he spent a good 3 or 4 minutes engaging in one of the most eery, uncomfortable monologues I have ever heard IN MY LIFE.

For those 4 minutes, he did what I would consider to be no less than ''mind control'' or ''brainwashing.'' He was talking about the information he had regarding military bases getting ready to evacuate and the need to be way from the coasts and in the Ozarks.

HOWEVER....

Instead of just suggesting certain safety tips, he did the following and it went something like this. (Again, I am not 100% quoting b/c I can't remember the date of the show so I don't have his exact words).

It was something along the lines of:

''The oceans WILL come out of their basin. There WILL be a wall of water 6 miles high. You DO need to get your family away from the coasts. So YOU need to decide. Where you gonna be? I know where I'm going to be. What are you going to do? I know what I'm going to do. What's your plan? I know my plan."

This went on and on for a few minutes in an even MORE monotone than usual....like he was trying to brainwash the listener.

It was so weird and gave me goosebumps.

So, my conclusion is this:

Whether Moore knows it or not, and whether he's a willing party or not, I believe he is a dis-info agent.

And like many of you said, his message is the same, over and over.

And like you said, OP, its the constant story on repeat about the navy guys with cigars laughing when they entered the room and looking like their dog just died when leaving the room.

Something smells fishy in Denmark, my friends.
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Yesterday's show.



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"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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On his 08-13-2012 show, John Moore said that Ft. Lee "apparently is being abandoned [and] you don't have to search too deep to find the press releases on that." (10:10). Well, first, my son is at Ft. Lee -- and he is fine and he said nothing out of the ordinary is going on -- and, second, I did an internet search about this using several search terms, and absolutely nothing showed up about Ft. Lee being abandoned now or in the future.

If anyone can dispute what I have posted, please post it here with back-up. (I would like to see those press releases.)

Also, OP, when I posted this same info on another thread, another poster said that it was deleted. Any thoughts as to why someone would do this?
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link to an article from July 2012 details the disbanding of FT.Lee

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link to an article from July 2012 details the disbanding of FT.Lee

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only two active duty units in the Army to handle the remains of their fallen comrades will be leaving Fort Lee based on the downsizing and restructuring of the Army.

units asshole, not the base. that is because Obama cut the budget, it is happening everywhere. disinformation again, on the disinformation thread.
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link to an article from July 2012 details the disbanding of FT.Lee

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Thanks for the info. Very sincerely appreciated.

However, according the U.S. Army info website about Ft. Lee (in italics):

"By the end of 2011, Fort Lee's daily population is expected to exceed 45,000 and as many as 70,000 troops will pass through its classrooms each year, making it the third largest training site in the Army. These are the most significant statistics of all ... Fort Lee fully recognizes its tremendous responsibility and the privilege to provide the most comprehensive training and quality of life services possible for the members of the military family who will pass through its gates."

So, the fact that, from what I could gather, less than 5% of its population appears to be insignificant -- and in my view, John Moore saying that it is apparently being "abandoned" is incorrect. (Please, once again, correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.)
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link to an article from July 2012 details the disbanding of FT.Lee

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... and an update this morning.

"From an equipment standpoint, the deactivating units have already moved hundreds of tons and millions of dollars worth of vehicles, weapons and supplies. One motor pool, located at the corner of A and Mahone avenues, is half empty, and soldiers are busy moving a plethora of other equipment from several other facilities.

"We've already sent out a lot of LMTVs," said Tuia, describing how the unit has shipped off to other posts everything from computer systems to the Light Medium Tactical Vehicles, a type of truck used by the military. "It's been a good learning experience."

Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 530th Combat Sustainment Support Battalion and 108th Quartermaster Company will remain after the 49th's inactivation, but are scheduled to inactivate next year, Lt. Col. Donald Weyler said in a press release.

The 54th and 111th quartermaster companies - the only active-duty mortuary affairs units in the active Army - will also remain at Fort Lee, but "there are plans to move them" within 15 months."
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"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Heavy show this morning. Catch it on Youtube later when they edit out the commercials if you don't have a subscription to Republic Broadcasting.

He talks about reports coming in of Russian troops here in the US, US military drills getting abrupt changes of orders on what to drill for, military movement on the West Coast and an ominous warning from a source on the East Coast to “leave now”.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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link to an article from July 2012 details the disbanding of FT.Lee

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... and an update this morning.

"From an equipment standpoint, the deactivating units have already moved hundreds of tons and millions of dollars worth of vehicles, weapons and supplies. One motor pool, located at the corner of A and Mahone avenues, is half empty, and soldiers are busy moving a plethora of other equipment from several other facilities.

"We've already sent out a lot of LMTVs," said Tuia, describing how the unit has shipped off to other posts everything from computer systems to the Light Medium Tactical Vehicles, a type of truck used by the military. "It's been a good learning experience."

Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 530th Combat Sustainment Support Battalion and 108th Quartermaster Company will remain after the 49th's inactivation, but are scheduled to inactivate next year, Lt. Col. Donald Weyler said in a press release.

The 54th and 111th quartermaster companies - the only active-duty mortuary affairs units in the active Army - will also remain at Fort Lee, but "there are plans to move them" within 15 months."
[link to progress-index.com]
 Quoting: Resister


Thanks. That's why he said you don't have to dig deep.

Digging at all is much different that common knowledge. People don't really listen to what he says before they start ripping him a new one.
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People -- READ THE LINKS BELOW THIS POST IN THEIR ENTIRETY!

Obviously, at least one person still believes that FORT LEE itself is being abandoned -- not just a Group or a couple of Units. Check out the Ft. Lee site on the Internet (the official Army site, I mean). According to that site, anywhere from 45,000 to 70,000 troops have been at Fort Lee (until, presumably, the 1500 that have just been removed). 1500 people is less than five percent, no matter how you look at it.

YES, apparently, it IS true that a lot of equipment is being moved, but not ALL the equipment is being moved; and I admit that I have no idea what percentage compared to ALL the equipment that was there, say, a month ago. If someone could provide accurate information about this, I would appreciate it.

But, to repeat what I said earlier, to imply that ALL (or even the majority ) of Ft. Lee is being disbanded (or evacuated or abandoned or whatever term you wish to use) is, to put as nice a term on this kind of misinformation as possible, just plain WRONG.

When I hear otherwise from my son (who has been at Ft. Lee since June), or through a MUCH more reliable source than John Moore, that at least 75% of Ft. Lee is indeed being evacuated, or that there is a MAJOR evacuation of the East Coast population, or a general evacation of military installations on the East Coast, or if there is any kind of "major doom" on the East Coast before September 30th, then I will readily (and sorrowfully) admit that I was wrong.

(And also, after today, I am going to TRY to refrain from trying to convince people that John Moore is, at best,just flat-out deliberately misleading people. If people insist on believing someone who has been PROVEN to be a con artist . . . well, that's their choice, of course.)

link to an article from July 2012 details the disbanding of FT.Lee

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... and an update this morning.

"From an equipment standpoint, the deactivating units have already moved hundreds of tons and millions of dollars worth of vehicles, weapons and supplies. One motor pool, located at the corner of A and Mahone avenues, is half empty, and soldiers are busy moving a plethora of other equipment from several other facilities.

"We've already sent out a lot of LMTVs," said Tuia, describing how the unit has shipped off to other posts everything from computer systems to the Light Medium Tactical Vehicles, a type of truck used by the military. "It's been a good learning experience."

Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 530th Combat Sustainment Support Battalion and 108th Quartermaster Company will remain after the 49th's inactivation, but are scheduled to inactivate next year, Lt. Col. Donald Weyler said in a press release.

The 54th and 111th quartermaster companies - the only active-duty mortuary affairs units in the active Army - will also remain at Fort Lee, but "there are plans to move them" within 15 months."
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 Quoting: Resister


Thanks. That's why he said you don't have to dig deep.

Digging at all is much different that common knowledge. People don't really listen to what he says before they start ripping him a new one.
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AC12373203, is your son a part of Continuity of Government? Just an honest question. Lower level servicemen and women would not neccessarily be told in advance what, where, or why. Also, the article only mentions the quartermasters, not other troops. Honestly, I (and most people I would assume) don't know what all is at Fort Lee.

Even if your son is not a part of COG, hearing from him would be direct intel at least from his level.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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AC12373203, is your son a part of Continuity of Government? Just an honest question. Lower level servicemen and women would not neccessarily be told in advance what, where, or why. Also, the article only mentions the quartermasters, not other troops. Honestly, I (and most people I would assume) don't know what all is at Fort Lee.

Even if your son is not a part of COG, hearing from him would be direct intel at least from his level.
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Sorry, but I am not sure exactly what you are asking or saying. My son is VERY low-level -- Army Reserves, in fact -- and is at Ft. Lee for A.I.T. (advanced training). However, what he told me was that there was nothing unusual going on. Admittedly, someone in his lowly position could very possibly be in the dark, HOWEVER -- according to a posting on another forum (sorry, I can't remember which one), civilians in the Ft. Lee area have not noticed any mass evacuations or anything like that.

Also, I think the link said that the units involved are MORTUARY units. (I could be wrong about that.) And, maybe there IS something suspicious about the fact that they ARE, supposedly, mortuary units, but if the "major doom" is going to happen somewhere on the East Coast, then why move the mortuary units unless the specific place of "doom" is known(!)

Anyway, I do apologize if I personally have misstated anything, but it honesstly does seem to me that John Moore has a history of making statements and predictions that come to absolutely nothing. I would humbly suggest that he either stop making predictions and engaging in fear-mongering or start producing reliable and verifiable corroboration.

Again, if I am proven wrong, I WILL apologize on this forum. And I will also say that I view GLP 99% for entertainment purposes, but I have been viewing all the recent GLP "Nibiru" threads for info to try to judge the validity of it. (And I am NOT convinced, BTW.) I only came across John Moore because of that, and in doing so, came across the "military evacations/Ft. Lee" by way of that.

Again, I apologize if I DID say anything that was wrong, but JM's quote about Ft. Lee being "abandoned" gave me many hours of worry before being reassured by my son. And then when I found out that my concern and worry were apparently for nothing, I became angry. Again, my apologies if I am or was wrong.
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Honest question. What did the ancients see? The only was we will know if they were accurate is to see for ourselves. I would rather find out they were wrong though!

I listen to both sides. To be honest though I have Zippo knowledge of Astronomy, and I rely on info from people who are knowledgeable on this issue. Truthfully, the nay Sayers have the most informed info, and they back themselves up well.

But I still wonder what the ancients were seeing. I agree also though, that this thing should show itself or actually should have already shown itself by now.
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Maybe the ancients are referring to Apothis, the asteroid that's gonna come dangerously close in 2034 or something like that...

I do believe that the ancients only en-scribed very important things, and a lot of pictures have been found, basically telling you to get to the mountains, when you see a vortex in the sky.

More or less.

With all the amatuer astronomers out there, we would've seen this thing for a long time now. You can't silence everyone.

Considering what the ancients pictured about - maybe this "just" happened, and we are the first civilization coming out of this great disaster.

So instead of it being on a 3200 year cycle, maybe it's on a 32,000, or 320,000 year cycle?
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Here are 2 videos that cover ancient warnings. Spiral pictographs are everywhere. Some type of warning?





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AC12373203 Thanks for the honest reply. COG (Continuity Of Government) is only a very small number of high ranking people. It's litterally only what is needed to continue the governent. That very small group of people are who his source told him was warned about a month ago to be ready.

Please consider your sources before getting worried about anything. I try to. This is a conspiracy forum. Maybe 90% of the stuff on here is complete junk. John Moore has had his radio show for years and he has always told his audience to verify things on their own and not to get all hot and botherd just because a guy on the radio says something. The only thing different now is his personal sense of urgency because he believes that what ever is going to happen may be about to happen soon. That still comes from a guy on the radio who has told people all along to research and decide for themselves.

Keep in touch with your son. I know I would want to keep in touch with mine if I were in your shoes. My oldest is in the Young Marines (he'll be 16 in October). It's not the real deal yet, but he is gung-ho about it and just got back from a week at Paris Island last month. It worries me just as much as it makes me proud to think that some day he may be on a base for real just like your son.

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"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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AC12373203 Thanks for the honest reply. COG (Continuity Of Government) is only a very small number of high ranking people. It's litterally only what is needed to continue the governent. That very small group of people are who his source told him was warned about a month ago to be ready.

Please consider your sources before getting worried about anything. I try to. This is a conspiracy forum. Maybe 90% of the stuff on here is complete junk. John Moore has had his radio show for years and he has always told his audience to verify things on their own and not to get all hot and botherd just because a guy on the radio says something. The only thing different now is his personal sense of urgency because he believes that what ever is going to happen may be about to happen soon. That still comes from a guy on the radio who has told people all along to research and decide for themselves.

Keep in touch with your son. I know I would want to keep in touch with mine if I were in your shoes. My oldest is in the Young Marines (he'll be 16 in October). It's not the real deal yet, but he is gung-ho about it and just got back from a week at Paris Island last month. It worries me just as much as it makes me proud to think that some day he may be on a base for real just like your son.
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Thank you. My son is 18 and joined the Army Reserves almost as soon as he turned 17. So I guess I am still a bit of a mother hen where he's concerned!
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I was active duty over 20 years ago (not saying any more for dmining reasons) and back then when letters got sent home there were major black marks throughout---people didn't always even know what was secret and what was not--that's how secrets stay secrets sometimes.

Now with all the texts and twitters, I'm sure there is a whole lot of disinformation intentionally put out to keep everyone not-knowing for sure or for what---I mean, they would have to in order to keep things secret because from what I've witnessed there are a lot of service people today who don't have the same hard line boundary that we did--it seems today (enough of them to notice) think it's no-big-deal to talk---except for my family members (they know better).

During that viral video--his source even said this could be disinformation, it also could be disinformation to discredit. So, the hate is really unnecessary but I understand about the worry about the video about abandoning bases.

He also seems well connected to hire-ups--I've had 3 thoughts on this...he was a homicide investigator so I do believe he knows how to verify things better than most faceless people behind their keyboards.

1. He is a disinfo agent (whether he knows it or not--and even he may be aware that he is being used)
2. He really is giving us info that he has verified (but a smart *trail* person who wants to know where a leak is gives a slightly different story to each group that has to know, that way if a leak occurs they know where to start looking--so it's possible that 80% is right on and 20% is the meme included to trace a leak.
3. He's just trying to settle into the latter part of his life doing what he knows and loves. Hosting a radio show, touring a little, giving advice about the things he feels can help people while earning a living (isn't that the best job--making money doing something you love and thinking you may actually be helping people --even though some resent being scared--I think he means well).

Then there are those who think he's pure evil. It's a free country, you can believe that -no reason to be nasty to those who enjoy his show.
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The burden of proof of this supposed planet/brown dwarf (and now apparently a neutron star) does not rest upon those to disprove it, rather those making the claims to proof it. Anything else is onus probandi.

Anecdotes, shaky videos, supposed knowledge of the ancient is not concrete evidence.

The reason orbital mechanics and gravitational laws are called laws is because the vast majority, and in most cases, nearly 100% of scientists have produced studies and experiments that support those laws. Not only have there been multiple experiments to confirm our current understandings, but also we can accurately predict motion and positions to nearly 100%.

There is no consensus on ANY of the pro-Nibiru arguments. There is only speculation based on anecdotal evidence. Until the pro-Nibiru group can confirm, publish, and verify a consensus, it's all purely hypothetical speculation.

With our current understandings of physics and gravity, we would very easily say there is no brown dwarf or even less likely a neutron star heading throughout our solar system right now. The simple fact is there has been no real observations with coordinates. Not to mention the vast amount of amateur astronomers, myself included, that would have noticed it, but have not. It's bunk. All of it.
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The burden of proof of this supposed planet/brown dwarf (and now apparently a neutron star) does not rest upon those to disprove it, rather those making the claims to proof it. Anything else is onus probandi.

Anecdotes, shaky videos, supposed knowledge of the ancient is not concrete evidence.

The reason orbital mechanics and gravitational laws are called laws is because the vast majority, and in most cases, nearly 100% of scientists have produced studies and experiments that support those laws. Not only have there been multiple experiments to confirm our current understandings, but also we can accurately predict motion and positions to nearly 100%.

There is no consensus on ANY of the pro-Nibiru arguments. There is only speculation based on anecdotal evidence. Until the pro-Nibiru group can confirm, publish, and verify a consensus, it's all purely hypothetical speculation.

With our current understandings of physics and gravity, we would very easily say there is no brown dwarf or even less likely a neutron star heading throughout our solar system right now. The simple fact is there has been no real observations with coordinates. Not to mention the vast amount of amateur astronomers, myself included, that would have noticed it, but have not. It's bunk. All of it.
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Thanks. That's readable and can sink in because of your mature reply.

I do disagree on having an open mind though because science does evolve with new discoveries, things do get covered up and people in the know do lie. If I didn't realize all of this I would be watching Fox news or Cnn instead of spending my time on a conspiracy site--I like to think of the possibilities--even the scary ones. I believe in physical pole shift and this is a scenario on how it could happen. I'm open to other scenarios as well.
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The burden of proof of this supposed planet/brown dwarf (and now apparently a neutron star) does not rest upon those to disprove it, rather those making the claims to proof it. Anything else is onus probandi.

Anecdotes, shaky videos, supposed knowledge of the ancient is not concrete evidence.

The reason orbital mechanics and gravitational laws are called laws is because the vast majority, and in most cases, nearly 100% of scientists have produced studies and experiments that support those laws. Not only have there been multiple experiments to confirm our current understandings, but also we can accurately predict motion and positions to nearly 100%.

There is no consensus on ANY of the pro-Nibiru arguments. There is only speculation based on anecdotal evidence. Until the pro-Nibiru group can confirm, publish, and verify a consensus, it's all purely hypothetical speculation.

With our current understandings of physics and gravity, we would very easily say there is no brown dwarf or even less likely a neutron star heading throughout our solar system right now. The simple fact is there has been no real observations with coordinates. Not to mention the vast amount of amateur astronomers, myself included, that would have noticed it, but have not. It's bunk. All of it.
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Thank you!
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Incidentally, who's now saying it's a neutron star? I'd love to see that claim!
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The burden of proof of this supposed planet/brown dwarf (and now apparently a neutron star) does not rest upon those to disprove it, rather those making the claims to proof it. Anything else is onus probandi.

Anecdotes, shaky videos, supposed knowledge of the ancient is not concrete evidence.

The reason orbital mechanics and gravitational laws are called laws is because the vast majority, and in most cases, nearly 100% of scientists have produced studies and experiments that support those laws. Not only have there been multiple experiments to confirm our current understandings, but also we can accurately predict motion and positions to nearly 100%.

There is no consensus on ANY of the pro-Nibiru arguments. There is only speculation based on anecdotal evidence. Until the pro-Nibiru group can confirm, publish, and verify a consensus, it's all purely hypothetical speculation.

With our current understandings of physics and gravity, we would very easily say there is no brown dwarf or even less likely a neutron star heading throughout our solar system right now. The simple fact is there has been no real observations with coordinates. Not to mention the vast amount of amateur astronomers, myself included, that would have noticed it, but have not. It's bunk. All of it.
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Thanks. That's readable and can sink in because of your mature reply.

I do disagree on having an open mind though because science does evolve with new discoveries, things do get covered up and people in the know do lie. If I didn't realize all of this I would be watching Fox news or Cnn instead of spending my time on a conspiracy site--I like to think of the possibilities--even the scary ones. I believe in physical pole shift and this is a scenario on how it could happen. I'm open to other scenarios as well.
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I agree on needing to have an open mind because having an open mind is a wonderful trait to have. Science certainly evolves and I'm not so sure about lies and cover ups. Sites like this give a platform to anyone with an idea and that's perfectly fine.

The hard thing about keeping an open mind is knowing when and what to let in. For me, it requires some type of evidence. The basis for "Nibiru" is still left without any tangible evidence. Just as if I say I see a Jupiter-sized unicorn every night from where I live, you'd probably say, "Show me pictures or I don't believe you." Likewise with an open mind.

I believe in an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out.
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The burden of proof of this supposed planet/brown dwarf (and now apparently a neutron star) does not rest upon those to disprove it, rather those making the claims to proof it. Anything else is onus probandi.

Anecdotes, shaky videos, supposed knowledge of the ancient is not concrete evidence.

The reason orbital mechanics and gravitational laws are called laws is because the vast majority, and in most cases, nearly 100% of scientists have produced studies and experiments that support those laws. Not only have there been multiple experiments to confirm our current understandings, but also we can accurately predict motion and positions to nearly 100%.

There is no consensus on ANY of the pro-Nibiru arguments. There is only speculation based on anecdotal evidence. Until the pro-Nibiru group can confirm, publish, and verify a consensus, it's all purely hypothetical speculation.

With our current understandings of physics and gravity, we would very easily say there is no brown dwarf or even less likely a neutron star heading throughout our solar system right now. The simple fact is there has been no real observations with coordinates. Not to mention the vast amount of amateur astronomers, myself included, that would have noticed it, but have not. It's bunk. All of it.
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Thank you!
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Incidentally, who's now saying it's a neutron star? I'd love to see that claim!
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I think I saw it on the first page somewhere. I then picked up my jaw.
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Heavy show this morning. Catch it on Youtube later when they edit out the commercials if you don't have a subscription to Republic Broadcasting.

He talks about reports coming in of Russian troops here in the US, US military drills getting abrupt changes of orders on what to drill for, military movement on the West Coast and an ominous warning from a source on the East Coast to “leave now”.
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Today's show:


"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Heavy show this morning. Catch it on Youtube later when they edit out the commercials if you don't have a subscription to Republic Broadcasting.

He talks about reports coming in of Russian troops here in the US, US military drills getting abrupt changes of orders on what to drill for, military movement on the West Coast and an ominous warning from a source on the East Coast to “leave now”.
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Today's show:


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Caller said he created a firestorm, Moore said it needed to be created.

hmmm.
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Thread: JOHN MOORE CONFIRMS DATE OF NIBIRU/DWARF STAR TO PASS EARTH on the 188 MEGA-QUAKE CYCLE 9/26/12!! WoW
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Thank you AC22116926 for this very cool video.

Thread: ALERT!!! Most Important Nibiru Video _Planets Orbits and Killed Scientist


"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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The video is dead wrong.

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The video is "dead wrong"? So all of those scientist aren't dead? All of the Earth changes aren't happening?


Something out of the ordinary is happening. The governments aren't preparing for something huge with way out of reason bunkers, major agency relocations, legal structures for defacto martial law, and distractive propaganda on things that don't matter at all just for the hell of it.
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The video is "dead wrong"?
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Yes, the planets are right where they should be.
So all of those scientist aren't dead?
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You don't get it; they never presented any proof at all that those scientists were "about to present" proof that the planets are out of position. They simply assumed that and their only supporting argument is that they claim to show themselves in their video that the planets are out of position. Once that is debunked, the rest of the argument collapses on its own; the scientists who they mentioned who died simply died for the reasons stated in their obituaries, there is no conspiracy to hide the fact that the planets are out of position because the planets are NOT out of position.
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The burden of proof of this supposed planet/brown dwarf (and now apparently a neutron star) does not rest upon those to disprove it, rather those making the claims to proof it. Anything else is onus probandi.

Anecdotes, shaky videos, supposed knowledge of the ancient is not concrete evidence.

The reason orbital mechanics and gravitational laws are called laws is because the vast majority, and in most cases, nearly 100% of scientists have produced studies and experiments that support those laws. Not only have there been multiple experiments to confirm our current understandings, but also we can accurately predict motion and positions to nearly 100%.

There is no consensus on ANY of the pro-Nibiru arguments. There is only speculation based on anecdotal evidence. Until the pro-Nibiru group can confirm, publish, and verify a consensus, it's all purely hypothetical speculation.

With our current understandings of physics and gravity, we would very easily say there is no brown dwarf or even less likely a neutron star heading throughout our solar system right now. The simple fact is there has been no real observations with coordinates. Not to mention the vast amount of amateur astronomers, myself included, that would have noticed it, but have not. It's bunk. All of it.
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Thread: If Nibiru/planet x is not coming, then what is FEMA and the secret government preparing for

Thread: Nobody is talking about Sirius A, Aren't we in a binary system with this beautiful Dog star? This is what we are waiting for;The Golden Age!!!
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