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The end of the US dollar has it arrived?

 
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Th entire system is in place to support those that wont support themselves.

Whats the difference between a collapse of the dollar. And them never having a system at all. No difference.

If the dollar collapses it will end the lives of 90% of Americans since they cant sustain themselves.

If they never established a system most wouldnt know how to skin a squirrel.

The system is in place to support the people.

They arent the enemy. And people will find that out if the dollar ever collapses.
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Just the other day India was trying to persuade it's people to not buy GOLD? WTF

If you don't have it in your Hand you don't own it!!

so lets look at Gold

At first glance, it would be reasonable to assume that America probably has the most economic influence on the gold market simply because the USA is the biggest economy in the world. But as World Gold Council (WGC) stats have long made clear, India has consistently been the largest gold consumer in the world – though the WGC expects that China will move above India in terms of total 2012 consumption.

The WGC calculated that India’s 2011 “Consumer Demand” – defined as “[t]he sum of jewellery and total bar and coin purchases for a country (i.e., the amount of gold acquired directly by individuals) – was 854.4 tonnes. During that same period, United States demand was a mere 187.1 tonnes. (China’s 2011 gold consumption was 843.8 tonnes.) In monetary value, India’s 2011 gold market was worth almost $45 billion, while America’s was only $9.9 billion.
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their balance of trade is was out of whack due to gold imports. inflation is on the rise there so the population that already loves gold has all the more reason to buy it as a hedge against the falling value of the paper currency. their attack on gold was more or less like shooting the messenger.
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Gold has run up to absurd and preposterous levels not supported in any way by fundamentals. It did the same thing in the 1971 to January 1980 period and then spent the next 22 years crashing by 70% and we're going to see the same down cycle all over again as gold reverts to its mean of $456 per ounce and then heads lower. Silvers mean price is $8 oz. Dollar is King have no fear.
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The death of the dollar was a forgone conclussion from the time Nixon removed the "Gold Standard". It's been propped up by the Petro-dollar system instigated by Kisinger in the 1970's and World Reserve Status in exchange for rebuilding the entire world after WWII, but the rest of the world considers that debt paid now...
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Gold has run up to absurd and preposterous levels not supported in any way by fundamentals. It did the same thing in the 1971 to January 1980 period and then spent the next 22 years crashing by 70% and we're going to see the same down cycle all over again as gold reverts to its mean of $456 per ounce and then heads lower. Silvers mean price is $8 oz. Dollar is King have no fear.
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Nothing you said there is in any way supported by the facts of our times...
Just because you're paranoid don't mean they ain't out to get ya!

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No country can compete with the US of A. The euro is on its way to a fatal end. China will come crumbling down into a heap of debt wreckage. The Shanghai Composite will go all the way back down to around 1500 where it was in 2005. China now has more than $5 trillion in bad bank loans with 20% of loans at their banks to state-sponsored enterprises in default. Factories are closed and closing all over the place and they have more than 65 million vacant housing units for which there is no demand including entire ghost cities. China is getting hit with stiff competition in contract manufacturing from Mexico, Malaysia, Vietnam, Korea and a host of other countries. China's economy is one third the size of that of the US while having a population that is 400% the size of the US which is why China is one of the poorest countries in the world based on per capita income.
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Well read this post from zerohedge..

Last month, the Fed announced that it was formulating a plan to “expand its tool kit”. This includes an openly admitted possibility of a third round of quantitative easing starting as early as September:

This timeline appears to coincide perfectly with the breakdown of the EU, which may also see a climax event in September. In that month, EU policymakers will return from summer holiday. German courts will make a ruling which could put an end to any chance that the country will support a eurozone rescue fund. The Dutch, which are anti-bailout, will vote in elections. Greece will be attempting to renegotiate its financial lifeline. And, the ECB will have to assess the impending chaos in Spain and Italy:

As far as the Fed’s ability to remedy the fiscal situation goes, let’s clear something up right here; the Fed has NO TOOLKIT. Sorry, but central banks have only two options when attempting to shift the tide of the economy: They can lower interest rates to zero, and, they can print-print-print. That is it. We’ve had TARP, numerous bailouts, QE1 and QE2, Operation Twist, and interests rates have been kept near zero for years! These so called solutions have been strapped like millstones around our necks and absolutely nothing has been accomplished since 2008.

Real unemployment still stands at over 20%. The housing crisis remains an unstoppable juggernaut. Europe is on the verge of meltdown (despite the trillions in American taxpayer dollars handed to EU banks). The national debt continues to grow at a pace far beyond what the Obama Administration and mainstream economists (who should have been fired long ago) predicted in 2010. There are no secret magic tricks up the sleeve of Ben Bernanke. Even if the Fed actually wanted to save our financial system, and our currency (which they don’t), there is nothing they can do except make the situation worse. Central banks are perhaps the most useless institutions ever devised, unless, of course, their true purpose is to diminish the financial health of a country and siphon away its economic sovereignty…

Enter the death of the dollar.

The IMF has been consistently calling for the end of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency, and for its replacement by the SDR

LINK to article: with complete links to back it up!

[link to www.zerohedge.com]
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You have to stop reading zerohedge. Any website that has a "manifesto" as opposed to a "about us" section is a communist rag.
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End of the $US. Should have happened years ago but will never come. Why do you think you keep invading countries? First gulf war was because they threatened to sell oil for pounds, thus rendering America useless. Second Gulf war because they wanted to trade for euros, not a backwards currency rapidly declining in buying power. Besides the $US and USA will never give up its grip on the world, the story of USA, Canada and Mexico all joining to create another "super currency" such as the euro, called the "Amero" is much more likely and would no doubt fix the solution... for a few years until that, like the euro, goes belly up!
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Dont buy gold or silver or invest in stocks as it is all looking for its mean price. And it will all come crumbling down. The Dollar will shoot above 90 settling in at 98 on the DXY Index when the time comes.
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If voting actually works, we need to get people into office that will keep our dollars at home where it's needed. Also stop these gimme programs to other nations who are fully capable of supporting themselves. I personally don't give a damn about how many military bases we can maintain overseas. Perhaps a little isolationism would go a long way, charity starts at home.
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Gold is headed for the biggest plunge in its history which will be much greater than the 70% plunge it experienced during the 22 year period from January 1980 to 2001 and it is likely to fall to around $232 per ounce which is below its 2001 low of around $250 per ounce. Gold is a fairly useless metal and its primary use has always been jewelry but it is now at 25 year lows in jewelry as buyers have little to no interest in it at anywhere near present prices. Jewelry demand has traditionally accounted for 74% of all annual gold demand. Gold prices are nothing more than one of the most absurd speculative bubbles in the history of market bubbles.
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I have been talking about this for a long time.

Thread: Scheduled Doom: Collapse of the Dollar
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If voting actually works, we need to get people into office that will keep our dollars at home where it's needed. Also stop these gimme programs to other nations who are fully capable of supporting themselves. I personally don't give a damn about how many military bases we can maintain overseas. Perhaps a little isolationism would go a long way, charity starts at home.
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Clearly no idea how your country works. You have military bases in other countries and host wars there to destabilize their economies. By bringing down the value of their money you can buy up whatever they have to offer for next to nothing, putting them in the position of financial aid in the first place... WAKE UP!
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We know we’re going to have an endless stream of quantitative easing. We’re going to have more QE’s than Rocky movies, until eventually it’s a horror movie and the whole thing implodes, and the economy literally dies of an overdose.
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Silver has plunged 45% from its 2011 high which has caused enormous losses for folks who got into the game last year with silver. People playing it on margins ended up with 100% losses when it plunged in late April 2011.
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Silver is in the process of fully reverting to its mean of $8 per ounce. It has already plunged nearly 45% from its manic April 2011 high of $50 and is below $28 per ounce. There is a massive overhang (excess supply) of silver in the markets that is estimated to be around 35000 metric tonnes a year. Silver has been an extremely volatile metal ever since its run up in the late 1970s driving solely by commodities speculators - particularly the Hunt Brothers - where it went from $2 per ounce to $50 per ounce in January 1980 before spending the next 22 years crashing 90% down to $4 per ounce. The fundamental value of silver is in the $4 to $8 per ounce range and that is exactly where it is headed.
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No country can compete with the US of A. The euro is on its way to a fatal end. China will come crumbling down into a heap of debt wreckage. The Shanghai Composite will go all the way back down to around 1500 where it was in 2005. China now has more than $5 trillion in bad bank loans with 20% of loans at their banks to state-sponsored enterprises in default. Factories are closed and closing all over the place and they have more than 65 million vacant housing units for which there is no demand including entire ghost cities. China is getting hit with stiff competition in contract manufacturing from Mexico, Malaysia, Vietnam, Korea and a host of other countries. China's economy is one third the size of that of the US while having a population that is 400% the size of the US which is why China is one of the poorest countries in the world based on per capita income.
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China crumble and go broke? Source the information. Read the annual charts for import/export. Every country in the world EXCEPT china imports more than exports, America at the top of the list spends 100 times more than it makes entering TRILLIONS of deficit each year in the process. China however usually gains about 50 billion annually from being the worlds biggest exporter and creating most of what they need on home soil, except for importation of minerals!
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If voting actually works, we need to get people into office that will keep our dollars at home where it's needed. Also stop these gimme programs to other nations who are fully capable of supporting themselves. I personally don't give a damn about how many military bases we can maintain overseas. Perhaps a little isolationism would go a long way, charity starts at home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21427717


Clearly no idea how your country works. You have military bases in other countries and host wars there to destabilize their economies. By bringing down the value of their money you can buy up whatever they have to offer for next to nothing, putting them in the position of financial aid in the first place... WAKE UP!
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If that was actually the case, we'd be rolling in the dough considering we've had relentless warring for so long. Where's my tax relief and war booty ?
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If we continue to invade every country that looks to sell their Oil in trade for Gold or other currency and want to do away with the petro dollar sure.....we can continue to hold off the doom for what another year or 2????

BRIC back March of this year was looking to make China the currency..the renminbi, as the currency of trade in emerging markets.

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Should I bring up Libya?? Why we really went there???
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Gold Bugs need to seek immediate psychological help as they do not know of what they speak.

To implement Gold as real money in this entire world is an absurd and nutty notion that would have no benefit and which would be absolutely impossible to even do. There are over $800 trillion in assets in the world with around $200 trillion in the US and the global economy now transacts more than $60 trillion a year. By contrast gold is but a little grain of sand in the midst of all of that real money and the total value of all gold - 75% of which is in privately held jewelry - is worth less than $12 trillion even at today's absurdly inflated prices for gold. The maximum value of all gold in bullion form is around $3 trillion, but a lot of that is privately held. The US money supply alone is around $10 trillion and there isn't even a total of $2 trillion in gold worldwide that could be used in any monetary form. Hellllooooo?
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Gold remains down more than $300 per ounce from its 2011 high. Silver is down more than 45% from its 2011 high. Both metals are severely overpriced and headed for huge price crashes.
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Greed has caused this mess. And behind that is the desire to create a one world economy to implement the "Mark".

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OK so the dollar goes belly up.

As long as the same people, financial institutions, and processes remain in place the end result will be another Ponzi scheme with the same end result and problems we are experiencing today.

Today's Capitalism depends on infinite expansion just like a Ponzi scheme. The earth and its resources are finite so Ponzi-like collapses are unavoidable.
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Im so amazed this guy has not made a racist comment , although he cant wait for the collapse of whites world over he actually was normal today ...well done
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Well read this post from zerohedge..

Last month, the Fed announced that it was formulating a plan to “expand its tool kit”. This includes an openly admitted possibility of a third round of quantitative easing starting as early as September:

This timeline appears to coincide perfectly with the breakdown of the EU, which may also see a climax event in September. In that month, EU policymakers will return from summer holiday. German courts will make a ruling which could put an end to any chance that the country will support a eurozone rescue fund. The Dutch, which are anti-bailout, will vote in elections. Greece will be attempting to renegotiate its financial lifeline. And, the ECB will have to assess the impending chaos in Spain and Italy:

As far as the Fed’s ability to remedy the fiscal situation goes, let’s clear something up right here; the Fed has NO TOOLKIT. Sorry, but central banks have only two options when attempting to shift the tide of the economy: They can lower interest rates to zero, and, they can print-print-print. That is it. We’ve had TARP, numerous bailouts, QE1 and QE2, Operation Twist, and interests rates have been kept near zero for years! These so called solutions have been strapped like millstones around our necks and absolutely nothing has been accomplished since 2008.

Real unemployment still stands at over 20%. The housing crisis remains an unstoppable juggernaut. Europe is on the verge of meltdown (despite the trillions in American taxpayer dollars handed to EU banks). The national debt continues to grow at a pace far beyond what the Obama Administration and mainstream economists (who should have been fired long ago) predicted in 2010. There are no secret magic tricks up the sleeve of Ben Bernanke. Even if the Fed actually wanted to save our financial system, and our currency (which they don’t), there is nothing they can do except make the situation worse. Central banks are perhaps the most useless institutions ever devised, unless, of course, their true purpose is to diminish the financial health of a country and siphon away its economic sovereignty…

Enter the death of the dollar.

The IMF has been consistently calling for the end of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency, and for its replacement by the SDR

LINK to article: with complete links to back it up!

[link to www.zerohedge.com]
 Quoting: Badcarma69


Nothing will happen to the dollar,

unless it is a top-bottom controlled demolition like, say, building 7.

because it is impossible for a bottom up hyperinflation to occur with the dollar. Wont happen. Why? Because "the peopel" constitute a FRACTION of the money and credit available to the big banks, wall street, etc... and the people will always have dollar SCARCITY, not excess. The dollar is a sophisticated instrument that cannot be compared to german, zimbabwe, or argentinian currency.... the dollar is DICTATORSHIP; it has relatively little to no risk of external forces moving it, because TPTP have direct control of prices..
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Silver is in the process of fully reverting to its mean of $8 per ounce. It has already plunged nearly 45% from its manic April 2011 high of $50 and is below $28 per ounce. There is a massive overhang (excess supply) of silver in the markets that is estimated to be around 35000 metric tonnes a year. Silver has been an extremely volatile metal ever since its run up in the late 1970s driving solely by commodities speculators - particularly the Hunt Brothers - where it went from $2 per ounce to $50 per ounce in January 1980 before spending the next 22 years crashing 90% down to $4 per ounce. The fundamental value of silver is in the $4 to $8 per ounce range and that is exactly where it is headed.
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LOL

Silver (along with the precious metals miners) is the most undervalued asset on the planet.

Here is an interview with Chris Powell of GATA on the manipulation and suppression of silver prices. [link to dagnytaggart55k.blogspot.com]

excess supply? LMAO - Eric Sprott doesn't agree.

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Gold has run up to absurd and preposterous levels not supported in any way by fundamentals. It did the same thing in the 1971 to January 1980 period and then spent the next 22 years crashing by 70% and we're going to see the same down cycle all over again as gold reverts to its mean of $456 per ounce and then heads lower. Silvers mean price is $8 oz. Dollar is King have no fear.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6594610


the only thing keeping the dollar up is the u.s. military. the only thing keeping the u.s. military up is the dollar. pretty much a ponzi scheme.

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Dont buy gold or silver or invest in stocks as it is all looking for its mean price. And it will all come crumbling down. The Dollar will shoot above 90 settling in at 98 on the DXY Index when the time comes.
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you are not wise.
Gold will be over 1900 by years end,

thy have NO CHOICE now but to add a few zeros and take it all down....

LOL

check mate--- war aint gonna do it..
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Silver is in the process of fully reverting to its mean of $8 per ounce. It has already plunged nearly 45% from its manic April 2011 high of $50 and is below $28 per ounce. There is a massive overhang (excess supply) of silver in the markets that is estimated to be around 35000 metric tonnes a year. Silver has been an extremely volatile metal ever since its run up in the late 1970s driving solely by commodities speculators - particularly the Hunt Brothers - where it went from $2 per ounce to $50 per ounce in January 1980 before spending the next 22 years crashing 90% down to $4 per ounce. The fundamental value of silver is in the $4 to $8 per ounce range and that is exactly where it is headed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6594610


LOL

Silver (along with the precious metals miners) is the most undervalued asset on the planet.

Here is an interview with Chris Powell of GATA on the manipulation and suppression of silver prices. [link to dagnytaggart55k.blogspot.com]

excess supply? LMAO - Eric Sprott doesn't agree.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Crash Landed On Earth






Crash im telling you not to listen to those people. They are gonna drive you madd. But the choice is yours of course, you do what you feel is in your best interest. I wish you the best in any regards.
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Dont buy gold or silver or invest in stocks as it is all looking for its mean price. And it will all come crumbling down. The Dollar will shoot above 90 settling in at 98 on the DXY Index when the time comes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6594610


you are not wise.
Gold will be over 1900 by years end,

thy have NO CHOICE now but to add a few zeros and take it all down....

LOL

check mate--- war aint gonna do it..
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You need to first read this....


To implement Gold as real money in this entire world is an absurd and nutty notion that would have no benefit and which would be absolutely impossible to even do. There are over $800 trillion in assets in the world with around $200 trillion in the US and the global economy now transacts more than $60 trillion a year. By contrast gold is but a little grain of sand in the midst of all of that real money and the total value of all gold - 75% of which is in privately held jewelry - is worth less than $12 trillion even at today's absurdly inflated prices for gold. The maximum value of all gold in bullion form is around $3 trillion, but a lot of that is privately held. The US money supply alone is around $10 trillion and there isn't even a total of $2 trillion in gold worldwide that could be used in any monetary form. Hellllooooo?


Than you need to go back to school.

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