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A Message For Believers and Unbelievers

 
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yes there is a gurantee for your tomorrow and it's going to be in hell if you dont know that Christ is,was and will always be God and God is Our Lady,Christ and the Holy Ghost you guys your soul is owned by the freemasons seriously your only way back is get baptized and hold the catholic faith I'm telling you the truth
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Sorry friend, Jesus himself said "No one comes to the Father but/except by ME"
 Quoting: daughter in NYC


Pardon my 'ignorance', but isn't jesus the 'father'? He is god is he not? If that's not the case then you can only expect the most vacuous minds to even attempt to believe the whole thing. 'Faith' is one thing, ignorance another... :-)
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yes there is a gurantee for your tomorrow and it's going to be in hell if you dont know that Christ is,was and will always be God and God is Our Lady,Christ and the Holy Ghost you guys your soul is owned by the freemasons seriously your only way back is get baptized and hold the catholic faith I'm telling you the truth
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1600864


Sorry friend, Jesus himself said "No one comes to the Father but/except by ME"
 Quoting: daughter in NYC


Pardon my 'ignorance', but isn't jesus the 'father'? He is god is he not? If that's not the case then you can only expect the most vacuous minds to even attempt to believe the whole thing. 'Faith' is one thing, ignorance another... :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


A man can't be his own God. A man is a man. Jesus was a man who wanted people to follow his footsteps to get to the father. Worship only the father.
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yes there is a gurantee for your tomorrow and it's going to be in hell if you dont know that Christ is,was and will always be God and God is Our Lady,Christ and the Holy Ghost you guys your soul is owned by the freemasons seriously your only way back is get baptized and hold the catholic faith I'm telling you the truth
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1600864


Sorry friend, Jesus himself said "No one comes to the Father but/except by ME"
 Quoting: daughter in NYC


Pardon my 'ignorance', but isn't jesus the 'father'? He is god is he not? If that's not the case then you can only expect the most vacuous minds to even attempt to believe the whole thing. 'Faith' is one thing, ignorance another... :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


A man can't be his own God. A man is a man. Jesus was a man who wanted people to follow his footsteps to get to the father. Worship only the father.
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So jesus isn't god?' Thanks :-)
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yes there is a gurantee for your tomorrow and it's going to be in hell if you dont know that Christ is,was and will always be God and God is Our Lady,Christ and the Holy Ghost you guys your soul is owned by the freemasons seriously your only way back is get baptized and hold the catholic faith I'm telling you the truth
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1600864


Sorry friend, Jesus himself said "No one comes to the Father but/except by ME"
 Quoting: daughter in NYC


Pardon my 'ignorance', but isn't jesus the 'father'? He is god is he not? If that's not the case then you can only expect the most vacuous minds to even attempt to believe the whole thing. 'Faith' is one thing, ignorance another... :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


what Jesus is saying with that passage is "nobody comes to the Father without recognizing what I have done, who I am, and what I represent."

vacuous minds... hmmm, that is a bold statement. because you are saying that millions and millions of people, over the span of thousands of years, who have devoted their lives to study and the faith are 'vacuous' as you put it.

how can so many, over so long, be so ignorant?

the answer is, they are not.
but, your comment is. and you have revealed that plainly.
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thank you!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry friend, Jesus himself said "No one comes to the Father but/except by ME"
 Quoting: daughter in NYC


Pardon my 'ignorance', but isn't jesus the 'father'? He is god is he not? If that's not the case then you can only expect the most vacuous minds to even attempt to believe the whole thing. 'Faith' is one thing, ignorance another... :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


A man can't be his own God. A man is a man. Jesus was a man who wanted people to follow his footsteps to get to the father. Worship only the father.
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So jesus isn't god?' Thanks :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No sir he is not. Neither are the angels God. Lucifer wants to be God. Jesus only served God. The anti christ will claim to be God. Many people worship an anti christ version of Jesus of religion. Claiming he is God is blasphemy.
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show me one immortal and i will believe.........
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Ask God to help you believe, ask Him to show you. This is something only God can help you with.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


What you are then saying is that one may murder if one accepts christ in the knowledge that you'll still make heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No, that's not what I"m saying. A murderer can repent and accept Jesus and go to heaven, yes.

But, once you repent and accept Jesus as your savior, you are expected to follow His commandments. His commandments are to love your neighbor.

People can claim to accept Jesus, but continue to hate others, hurt others, ignore the suffering of others....and of these people Jesus won't recognize as His own people. You must Love your neighbor if you want to follow Him.





hf
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show me one immortal and i will believe.........
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Ask God to help you believe, ask Him to show you. This is something only God can help you with.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


What you are then saying is that one may murder if one accepts christ in the knowledge that you'll still make heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No, that's not what I"m saying. A murderer can repent and accept Jesus and go to heaven, yes.

But, once you repent and accept Jesus as your savior, you are expected to follow His commandments. His commandments are to love your neighbor.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


And if you then commit a murder/rape/crime after your conversion you go to hell right, because you broke your 'pact' with christ'and murdered/raped/acted against your neighbour ?
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show me one immortal and i will believe.........
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Ask God to help you believe, ask Him to show you. This is something only God can help you with.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


What you are then saying is that one may murder if one accepts christ in the knowledge that you'll still make heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No, that's not what I"m saying. A murderer can repent and accept Jesus and go to heaven, yes.

But, once you repent and accept Jesus as your savior, you are expected to follow His commandments. His commandments are to love your neighbor.

People can claim to accept Jesus, but continue to hate others, hurt others, ignore the suffering of others....and of these people Jesus won't recognize as His own people. You must Love your neighbor if you want to follow Him.





hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Has Jesus spoke to you yet?

He spoke to me and told me he loves me

I was also weeks before attacked by satan himself
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AMEN! Bless you!hf
 Quoting: abeliever


hf

If everybody in the world helped someone else, this world would be an amazing place.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Yes! And amazingly you don't need a god on your side to do and be good. That comes naturally to many of us. Hiding behind a false belief does not automatically assign to the believer the gifts of benevolence and decency. These are things taught to us (or not) when we are children. Both of my parents are atheists (in their 70's)' and they brought me up to be a caring, decent human being. I do not profess love and care for those I do not know as there is no sense in doing so. Such displays of love towards all your 'fellow' men is an empty sham and an attempt at advertising oneself as a 'goodguy'.
It is shoddy and it shows a lack of true character. Unfortunately religion, and christianity in particular has painted itself into a corner where it's adherent's are generally seen as do good posers, and not really good humans in the true sense of the word. :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No one is good on their own, period.

We have a God breathed spirit in us all.

Have gone over this before. it has been scientifically proven that the spirit has mass. Upon death, not matter the persons weight, they have found that humans lose 21 grams at death.
We are all guided by God's Spirit. Some choose not to hear that prompting. After continued ignorance to His voice it becomes dull and then silent to them.


Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
“If Noah’s flood really did occur, what would you expect to find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth.” And guess what we find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth.
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AMEN! Bless you!hf
 Quoting: abeliever


hf

If everybody in the world helped someone else, this world would be an amazing place.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa



Lisa, just the blessing of knowing you has me overjoyed today.

We are ALL God's children and He so much wants to love us.

All we have to do is ask.

How easy, in this crazy, upside-down world, is THAT?

Love to you, Miggy
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have you accepted YOURSELF as YOUR SAVIOR yet Lisa, it is done no other way. YOU CHOSE< its free will choice and nobody can do it for you.

the greatest lie put into the NT is that Jesus was the only son of god. Once one grows into the knowing that God is WITHIN, just as Jesus taught, one becomes a knowing son of god. There is not one Son of the God.

The Eternal Son was the FIRST SON begat in the eternal distance long ago. Not begat on this world 2000 years ago.

Look at the cosmos lisa. LOOK. There are trillions of worlds with man upon them and the Father did not send his "only son" to this one. The Trinity is a liasion of 3 "forces" of God.
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You are barking up the wrong tree with your New Age garbage.
If you believe that by accepting yourself as your Lord and savior will get you into the Kingdom, and telling others that belief...you are a false prophet.

Jesus said, he's the way, the truth, and the Life. No one gets to the father, but by him (John 14:6). The Trinity is one God, three distinct personalities.
Jesus was the word who became flesh and dwelt amongst us 2000 years ago, but he always was (John 1:1), and always will be (John 8:58).

John 3:16
King James Version (KJV)

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Your cosmos stuff worries me. Where in the scripture did you read this? I tell you what I know out of Love, but I bessech you to search the scripture, the true word of God. Ask him into your heart, and if you have a heart to know him, he will reveal himself.
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SO all i have to do is practice and believe those 3 -4 bible verses and i'm saved?

if not please post all rules required to be saved if even possible thanks.
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Ask God to help you believe, ask Him to show you. This is something only God can help you with.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


What you are then saying is that one may murder if one accepts christ in the knowledge that you'll still make heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No, that's not what I"m saying. A murderer can repent and accept Jesus and go to heaven, yes.

But, once you repent and accept Jesus as your savior, you are expected to follow His commandments. His commandments are to love your neighbor.

People can claim to accept Jesus, but continue to hate others, hurt others, ignore the suffering of others....and of these people Jesus won't recognize as His own people. You must Love your neighbor if you want to follow Him.





hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Has Jesus spoke to you yet?

He spoke to me and told me he loves me

I was also weeks before attacked by satan himself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968792


AGAPE LOVE

1 Corinthians 13
New King James Version (NKJV)

The Greatest Gift
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
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AMEN! Bless you!hf
 Quoting: abeliever


hf

If everybody in the world helped someone else, this world would be an amazing place.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Yes! And amazingly you don't need a god on your side to do and be good. That comes naturally to many of us. Hiding behind a false belief does not automatically assign to the believer the gifts of benevolence and decency. These are things taught to us (or not) when we are children. Both of my parents are atheists (in their 70's)' and they brought me up to be a caring, decent human being. I do not profess love and care for those I do not know as there is no sense in doing so. Such displays of love towards all your 'fellow' men is an empty sham and an attempt at advertising oneself as a 'goodguy'.
It is shoddy and it shows a lack of true character. Unfortunately religion, and christianity in particular has painted itself into a corner where it's adherent's are generally seen as do good posers, and not really good humans in the true sense of the word. :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No one is good on their own, period.

We have a God breathed spirit in us all.

Have gone over this before. it has been scientifically proven that the spirit has mass. Upon death, not matter the persons weight, they have found that humans lose 21 grams at death.
We are all guided by God's Spirit. Some choose not to hear that prompting. After continued ignorance to His voice it becomes dull and then silent to them.


Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
 Quoting: Passin' Through


"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that
takes religion.
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Ask God to help you believe, ask Him to show you. This is something only God can help you with.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


What you are then saying is that one may murder if one accepts christ in the knowledge that you'll still make heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No, that's not what I"m saying. A murderer can repent and accept Jesus and go to heaven, yes.

But, once you repent and accept Jesus as your savior, you are expected to follow His commandments. His commandments are to love your neighbor.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


And if you then commit a murder/rape/crime after your conversion you go to hell right, because you broke your 'pact' with christ'and murdered/raped/acted against your neighbour ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


Normally a person who truly asks Jesus to come into their hearts would never dream of doing something like murdering. It's hard for me to grasp backsliding to this degree!

There is forgiveness with God, though, as long as there is breath within us. We are to forgive others so that God can forgive us our sins.

It's very important that after we ask Jesus to come into our hearts and truly experience the baptism of the Holy Spirit to read the bible.
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hf

If everybody in the world helped someone else, this world would be an amazing place.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Yes! And amazingly you don't need a god on your side to do and be good. That comes naturally to many of us. Hiding behind a false belief does not automatically assign to the believer the gifts of benevolence and decency. These are things taught to us (or not) when we are children. Both of my parents are atheists (in their 70's)' and they brought me up to be a caring, decent human being. I do not profess love and care for those I do not know as there is no sense in doing so. Such displays of love towards all your 'fellow' men is an empty sham and an attempt at advertising oneself as a 'goodguy'.
It is shoddy and it shows a lack of true character. Unfortunately religion, and christianity in particular has painted itself into a corner where it's adherent's are generally seen as do good posers, and not really good humans in the true sense of the word. :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No one is good on their own, period.

We have a God breathed spirit in us all.

Have gone over this before. it has been scientifically proven that the spirit has mass. Upon death, not matter the persons weight, they have found that humans lose 21 grams at death.
We are all guided by God's Spirit. Some choose not to hear that prompting. After continued ignorance to His voice it becomes dull and then silent to them.


Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
 Quoting: Passin' Through


"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that
takes religion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


If a religious person does evil, then that would make them truly not good.
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What you are then saying is that one may murder if one accepts christ in the knowledge that you'll still make heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No, that's not what I"m saying. A murderer can repent and accept Jesus and go to heaven, yes.

But, once you repent and accept Jesus as your savior, you are expected to follow His commandments. His commandments are to love your neighbor.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


And if you then commit a murder/rape/crime after your conversion you go to hell right, because you broke your 'pact' with christ'and murdered/raped/acted against your neighbour ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


Normally a person who truly asks Jesus to come into their hearts would never dream of doing something like murdering. It's hard for me to grasp backsliding to this degree!

There is forgiveness with God, though, as long as there is breath within us. We are to forgive others so that God can forgive us our sins.

It's very important that after we ask Jesus to come into our hearts and truly experience the baptism of the Holy Spirit to read the bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


Well, thank goodness that 'logic' doesn't hold much sway in our courts! Murder, say you love jesus and go scott free... nuts :-)
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hf

If everybody in the world helped someone else, this world would be an amazing place.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Yes! And amazingly you don't need a god on your side to do and be good. That comes naturally to many of us. Hiding behind a false belief does not automatically assign to the believer the gifts of benevolence and decency. These are things taught to us (or not) when we are children. Both of my parents are atheists (in their 70's)' and they brought me up to be a caring, decent human being. I do not profess love and care for those I do not know as there is no sense in doing so. Such displays of love towards all your 'fellow' men is an empty sham and an attempt at advertising oneself as a 'goodguy'.
It is shoddy and it shows a lack of true character. Unfortunately religion, and christianity in particular has painted itself into a corner where it's adherent's are generally seen as do good posers, and not really good humans in the true sense of the word. :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No one is good on their own, period.

We have a God breathed spirit in us all.

Have gone over this before. it has been scientifically proven that the spirit has mass. Upon death, not matter the persons weight, they have found that humans lose 21 grams at death.
We are all guided by God's Spirit. Some choose not to hear that prompting. After continued ignorance to His voice it becomes dull and then silent to them.


Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
 Quoting: Passin' Through


"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that
takes religion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723




You are right there. Religion kills.
Following God is our reasonable service and duty to Him.
This has been made into a lie by religions and cults.

Obeying God is not a religion.
“If Noah’s flood really did occur, what would you expect to find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth.” And guess what we find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth.
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Ask God to help you believe, ask Him to show you. This is something only God can help you with.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


What you are then saying is that one may murder if one accepts christ in the knowledge that you'll still make heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No, that's not what I"m saying. A murderer can repent and accept Jesus and go to heaven, yes.

But, once you repent and accept Jesus as your savior, you are expected to follow His commandments. His commandments are to love your neighbor.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


And if you then commit a murder/rape/crime after your conversion you go to hell right, because you broke your 'pact' with christ'and murdered/raped/acted against your neighbour ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723



I could be wrong (and most likely AM) but I think what she's saying is that a person such as Judas who betrayed his best friend- leading him to death, even- may have been forgiven through prayer with God while comitting suicide out of guilt over what he'd done.

We aren't the one to know, much less judge.

It was between he and God.

But God forgives us until the very end- whether bitter or temendous love and grace.

Why people don't look towards this path of such enduring love and acceptance and instead choose a world of Hate for themselves is beyond me.

Just my opinion,

Miggy
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What you are then saying is that one may murder if one accepts christ in the knowledge that you'll still make heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


No, that's not what I"m saying. A murderer can repent and accept Jesus and go to heaven, yes.

But, once you repent and accept Jesus as your savior, you are expected to follow His commandments. His commandments are to love your neighbor.

People can claim to accept Jesus, but continue to hate others, hurt others, ignore the suffering of others....and of these people Jesus won't recognize as His own people. You must Love your neighbor if you want to follow Him.





hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Has Jesus spoke to you yet?

He spoke to me and told me he loves me

I was also weeks before attacked by satan himself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968792


AGAPE LOVE

1 Corinthians 13
New King James Version (NKJV)

The Greatest Gift
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.

4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
 Quoting: VRWil 1189609


Yes love is the most important thing. I have love for people even though they hate me and I can get bitter at times, but still feel love. If the holy spirit dwells in me love is there and it can't be moved. Satan hates God loves. Hallelujah brother.hf
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Yes! And amazingly you don't need a god on your side to do and be good. That comes naturally to many of us. Hiding behind a false belief does not automatically assign to the believer the gifts of benevolence and decency. These are things taught to us (or not) when we are children. Both of my parents are atheists (in their 70's)' and they brought me up to be a caring, decent human being. I do not profess love and care for those I do not know as there is no sense in doing so. Such displays of love towards all your 'fellow' men is an empty sham and an attempt at advertising oneself as a 'goodguy'.
It is shoddy and it shows a lack of true character. Unfortunately religion, and christianity in particular has painted itself into a corner where it's adherent's are generally seen as do good posers, and not really good humans in the true sense of the word. :-)
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No one is good on their own, period.

We have a God breathed spirit in us all.

Have gone over this before. it has been scientifically proven that the spirit has mass. Upon death, not matter the persons weight, they have found that humans lose 21 grams at death.
We are all guided by God's Spirit. Some choose not to hear that prompting. After continued ignorance to His voice it becomes dull and then silent to them.


Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
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"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that
takes religion.
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If a religious person does evil, then that would make them truly not good.
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My chief objection ( other than the obvious impossibility of such a celestial soap opera) is that christians seem to think they are the ONLY people on earth capable of being good. And this is completely and utterly ridiculous! It is egotistical and downright rude to assume that someone is intrinsically bad because they don't read the same book as you.
It is this attitude that will until the grave, keep me far far away from the god you so fervently worship. if he exists, he will judge me according to my deeds (not my words) and my treatment of others. In this knowledge I can die at peace :-)
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Sorry friend, Jesus himself said "No one comes to the Father but/except by ME"
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our ties to the universe are dependent on our interwoven relationship with the sun...
Row, row, row your boat...gently down the stream...merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...life is but a dream...
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have you accepted YOURSELF as YOUR SAVIOR yet Lisa, it is done no other way. YOU CHOSE< its free will choice and nobody can do it for you.

the greatest lie put into the NT is that Jesus was the only son of god. Once one grows into the knowing that God is WITHIN, just as Jesus taught, one becomes a knowing son of god. There is not one Son of the God.

The Eternal Son was the FIRST SON begat in the eternal distance long ago. Not begat on this world 2000 years ago.

Look at the cosmos lisa. LOOK. There are trillions of worlds with man upon them and the Father did not send his "only son" to this one. The Trinity is a liasion of 3 "forces" of God.
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goofy thum
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No one is good on their own, period.

We have a God breathed spirit in us all.

Have gone over this before. it has been scientifically proven that the spirit has mass. Upon death, not matter the persons weight, they have found that humans lose 21 grams at death.
We are all guided by God's Spirit. Some choose not to hear that prompting. After continued ignorance to His voice it becomes dull and then silent to them.


Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
 Quoting: Passin' Through


"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that
takes religion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1559723


If a religious person does evil, then that would make them truly not good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20586262


My chief objection ( other than the obvious impossibility of such a celestial soap opera) is that christians seem to think they are the ONLY people on earth capable of being good. And this is completely and utterly ridiculous! It is egotistical and downright rude to assume that someone is intrinsically bad because they don't read the same book as you.
It is this attitude that will until the grave, keep me far far away from the god you so fervently worship. if he exists, he will judge me according to my deeds (not my words) and my treatment of others. In this knowledge I can die at peace :-)
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No one said here that people that deny God cannot do good things.
BUT...doing good things does not make you good.
“If Noah’s flood really did occur, what would you expect to find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth.” And guess what we find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth.
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AMEN! Bless you!hf
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hf

If everybody in the world helped someone else, this world would be an amazing place.
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Lisa, just the blessing of knowing you has me overjoyed today.

We are ALL God's children and He so much wants to love us.

All we have to do is ask.

How easy, in this crazy, upside-down world, is THAT?

Love to you, Miggy
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I"m feeling so happy today, for no particular reason.

Thanks everybody, for putting up with me. I'm not perfect either, we are all on this journey together.

wave
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Eternal life is not dependent on a religious belief of any kind...

Eternal life is a spiritual phenomenom - it is the spirit stream originating from your soul (not in the body) that animates life forms... This spirit stream can never die...
The body will die, and no, it will not be resurrected...

Knowing that you cannot die is not a license to act irresponsibly... In fact, the more connected with who you really are and the nature of your existence, the less likely you are to engage in chaos...

Understanding also opens up knowledge, where you observe the various control tactics others engage in on this planet, of which religious beliefs are a whopper...

These control tactics are highly effective on this planet...In part, due to genetic manipulation and the resulting dna command structure... In greater part, the spiritual progress a person has made in keeping with your soul's plan...

Not being disrespectful, just honest - the giving away of one's power to external dieties is mid-level in spiritual progression...
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I"m feeling so happy today, for no particular reason.

Thanks everybody, for putting up with me. I'm not perfect either, we are all on this journey together.

wave
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That is why it is called ' A Walk '

As Andrew Womack says, " I have not arrived....But by golly I have left."



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“If Noah’s flood really did occur, what would you expect to find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth.” And guess what we find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth.
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I"m feeling so happy today, for no particular reason.

Thanks everybody, for putting up with me. I'm not perfect either, we are all on this journey together.

wave
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


That is why it is called ' A Walk '

As Andrew Womack says, " I have not arrived....But by golly I have left."



hugs
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Yea, that's a good one. We are all "works in progress"





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