Where Does God Live? Where is Heaven

Merci - it's like the chicken and egg. How can word be conceived without mind?

I died @ 30 too.

Glad we're still here to laugh about it! Cheers!

Is ALL and IN ALL. Nothing exists except the ALL. I am you and you are me and we are all together. God is the ALL of us, but individually (for now) we are not ALL of God. God or Heaven is not at the highest point, God is the ALPHA point from which ALL is.

You can't "define" God or "understand" God or "explain" God.

and I must disagree that there is space and time besides God - inside the ALL, ONLY.

If MIND is God, then we are screwed but we can, with our mind, seek God and begin to realize that our higher self, the part that already knows what is good and is right, the part reads the red letters and says "this I understand" that is the "within" part that can be developed and grown to make the self a better one and then to do the next logical thing - love, and following that - love ALL.

Yes. It is the lifting of the veil. This is the time of year another revelation to man and many of you are here to assist that process for it is another cosmic cycle and time to assist the young humans here in finding God Consciousness, which is that consciousnesses where the human knows himself as CO CREATOR WITH GOD. As God residing within him/her. That that is GOD MIND, MIND that can choose, make decisions based on experience and make of that WISDOM for self.

Man must come to see himself as GOD and Co Creator with God, having GOD MIND, which is DESIRE, SEEKING to know, wanting MORE and so forth.

The Christian teaching of God up in the sky some place that has only one son he sent to earth is the most mind killing teaching on this world. And it was not the teaching given at the time. It was changed.

YOU become Sons of God, or Co Creators with God, when you realize that your SOUL IS GOD MIND. That you are part of the all creating Consciousness, the great creation. When you see the tiniest worm, or the most beautiful flower, as all being of the same source, that matter is all one thing, simply expressing itself in the different elements. That everything is mind.

This for me is what God is, besides "Mind". God is the Universe expressing itself in a multitude of ways but always from the same source.

I am a particle of that. I can know it all. My Mind is connected to all mind. I can experience it all. There are not limitations except what I put on myself, although on this world there are energy limitations, as man must earn the better knowing to be had, as he becomes deserving of it.

One here labeled MIND that I was looking for, as one word for God as POWER. Mind is antecedent to POWER. Mind is so powerful, that man initially is kept on lower planets and only given what he can manage, until he understands the use of his mind and directs it to Godly power in usage.

YEA ARE the GODS beloveds. YOUR OWN GODS, with the DESIRE to KNOW IT ALL in good time.

Now where is the place called "heaven" again? Some allude it is someplace OFF This world.

Could it simply be any planet where man has progressed himself to more knowledge and having proven himself "safe" to use a certain level of mind and knowing?

Some think heaven is up in the sky. For some people, who are having serial incarnations here to learn and teach, heaven, is the astral realms of earth, the Astral realms however are also Limiting. You do not want to live there for all eternity either.


Heaven if you want it to be a place, is any world which in man has raised himself to 5d consciousness, that beginning level of knowing where God lives and the beginning of then seeking to truly become like the Father, knowing all things, with the caveat that one must also control that power of the mind appropriately.

It is appropriate that this world is a place such that one hopes there IS something more! That is the purpose here.

GOD MIND IS THE SEEKER, not the follower.

You are thinking in human terms. God is not human and the human mind can not fathom the construct of god without disagreement. Hence, the many religions that man has created with prompting from evil.

You seem to be an Urantia follower. Enough said.







Last Edited by Merci on 08/10/2012 04:06 PM

I can understand God. I do understand God I have no problem, but trying to explain god on this world is something of great difficulty to do because of the satanic overcontrol of religion.

You cannnot be, unless God is mind beloved, ponder that one carefully. The teaching here is terrible in that regard, it has separated man from God, and made God a person with a magic wand that waved the universe into being.

You are not seeking God, you are seeking to BECOME LIKE GOD, and YOU CAN BECOME LIKE GOD, which merely means that you can come to know all things. God knows all things because all things are written into nature. Its all recorded into the one massive consciousness that created the whole "universe" Each of you have and ARE participating in that.

God was not created outside of you. The HUman being is the highest MIND in the Creation. YOU ARE GOD. The angels are God. There is no one being that made it all. We have all participated IN IT. When you understand that, HOW and WHAT YOU CREATE WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU.

I exalt myself above the throne of God.

I think hell might be described as a state of being dead in a way. I had a few 'rebirthing" experiences in this life. It was periods of being at the bottom of a pit and empty.

And only I could refill myself. And only my mind of desire was able to do so. Pits are needed, they produce a burning desire, you either toss in the rag, or you become a creator.

well since you are of God mind we assume, what places such as that have YOU visited or chose to live?

The egg is the mind

the chicken is the dream

Ok NICE answer, many do say God is Love. But love has to have MIND FIRST, does it not? The creating process is in LOVE, always. Do you not feel the highest, when your creation you are doing is out of LOVE, for it becomes a true GIFT, right?

Here. Everything you wanted to know

Brahman/God
Dasbodh Chapter: 7, Sub-Chapter: 4
Explanation of Pure God
|| ShriRam ||
1. God is more clear than the cloudless sky that appears empty
when looking at it. Like the sky, God is formless, huge, and
limitless.
2. Twenty-one heavens and seven lower-worlds (patalas) are all
contained within the sphere of creation. The limitless pure God
permeates all of this.
3. God is endless above and below the universe. There is no place,
or even the smallest particle that it does not permeate.
4. God permeates all of the water, land, wood, and stone. Not a
single being is without it.
5. Just as water is in and around water animals, in the same way, this
pure God is in and around all living beings.
6. However, this simile with water is not entirely appropriate,
because there are dry places which exist apart from water, while it is
not possible that anyone can ever go outside of God.
7. If one tries to run outside of the sky, it is not possible because
the sky is always found in front of us. Similarly, there is no end to
the endless God.
8. But even though it is only God that we meet continuously, it is
inseparable from the body, and though it is what is closest to
everyone, it is also hidden.
9. One exists within it but does not know it. One imagines to have
understood it, but really the Absolute Reality cannot be understood
10. When clouds are seen in the sky it seems as if the sky has somehow
become muddied, or that something has been mixed into it, but that is
false, the sky remains clear and pure.
11. If one fixes one's gaze at the sky, tiny specks, like little
bubbles or droplets are seen to the eyes. Similarly, visible
appearances are unreal to the Knowledgeable (Jnanis).
12. Although it is false, it is still seen, like a dream for one who
is asleep. Only upon becoming awake does one understand that it is not
true.
13. Similarly, one becomes awakened with Self-Knowledge in one's own
experience, and thereby begins to understand the nature of Illusion.
14. Now enough of this enigmatic talk. That which is beyond the
universe will now be shown by way of explanation and selective
analysis so that it may be deeply understood.
15. God is mixed in with the entire creation, permeating all
objects and diffused into every particle in existence.
16. All of creation appears in God, and God is in all of
creation. However, the experience of this world appearance is but a
small fraction of God.
17. Only a small fraction of God is within the entirety of
creation. Who can know it's boundaries outside of creation? How can
all of God be contained within creation?
18. It is like trying to put the whole sky in a small pot, it is not
possible. Therefore, we say that the pot contains a small fraction of
the sky.
19. God is mixed in with everything, but it is not disturbed. It
exists in everything, yet is still beyond everything.
20. God is mixed in with the five elements but is also beyond them
and not limited by them, like the space that permeates the mud, yet is
not dirtied by it.
21. No simile can be given for God, yet in order to understand,
the simile of the sky (space) is given and some means of explanation
are required.
22. The Upanishads and other ancient texts say that God is like
the sky, so in keeping in accordance with those texts, the simile of
the sky is given for God.
23. In the absence of tarnish, brass is only pure gold in color.
Similarly, in the absence of the attribute of emptiness, the sky would
be untainted pure God.
24. God is like the sky, and Illusion is like the wind that can be
felt but cannot be seen.
25. The creation that is formed out of words appears and dissolves
from moment to moment. Like the wind it cannot remain still.
26. Illusion is false like this, let it be as it is. Eternal God
is One, yet it is seen to be permeating all things.
27. God is permeating the earth but it is not hard like the earth,
and no simile can be given for its softness and subtlety.
28. Understand that water is softer than the earth, fire is softer
than water, and the wind is softer than fire.
29. Understand, that the sky, or space, is much softer and more subtle
than the wind, and that the fullness of God is more subtle than
the sky.
30. God has penetrated the hardest of weapons, but still its
subtlety is not lost. It is neither hard nor soft. There is no
accurate simile for it.
31. God pervades the earth, but the earth is destructible and
God is not. God is in water, but water gets dried up, and
God does not dry up.
32. God is in fire but cannot be burned. God is in the wind,
but it does not move. It is in the sky, but the sky is known, and
Absolute Reality cannot be known.
33. It is occupying the whole body, but it cannot be found. It is both
very near to us, yet it is far from us at the same time. How amazing
this is!
34. It is in front of us an on all sides and all seeing takes place in
it. It is Self-evident and Self-established.
35. One's self is in it alone, and only it is in and all around
oneself. If we have to give it some comparison, it can be said that it
is like the sky without anything other appearing in it.
36. It is not felt to be anything, yet it is filling everything. It is
like a great wealth that is one's own yet cannot be seen.
37. Whatever object is seen, it is prior to that. One must solve this
mystery in one's own experience.
38. Space is all around and contains all objects, yet it remains the
same even without the presence of objects. With or without the
presence the earth, the space remains the same.
39. Whatever has name and form is Illusion and non-existent. The
secret beyond name and form is known to the experienced.
40. Like a huge cloud of smoke rising into the sky takes on the
appearance of mountains, similarly, the Goddess of Illusion (Maya)
shows her trick that looks like the creation of the universe.
41. Understand that Illusion is impermanent, and that God is
Eternal and spread out everywhere at all times.
42. While reading this spiritual text, God is the letters and
words. It is the seeing of them as well as the subtle presence that is
in the eyes that are seeing.
43. That which hears the words when listening, that which is the mind
that sees thoughts, and that which permeates the mind through and
through, is only the Supreme Reality itself.
44. The feet that are walking, the pathway that is being walked on,
all that is encountered by the body, and all that is picked up with
the hands along the way is only God.
45. Let it be like this. Everything exists in God only. The
understanding of this fact is what destroys the desire for the objects
of the sense organs.
46. God is that which is closest to us. If one tries to see it, it
cannot be seen, but it exists even though it is not seen.
47. God can only be understood by experience. Only the absence of
the appearance of the visible leads to the Self-experience that is the
realization of God.
48. Correct seeing must be with the eyes of Knowledge and not with the
physical eyes. The recognition of this correct inner-seeing is the
witness of the inner-seeing itself.
49. Understand that the one who knows both God and Illusion is the
one who has the experience of being the "Witness of All," that is
called the "Fourth State," or Turya. (The first three states are the
waking, dreaming, and deep sleep states)
50. Witnessing is the instrumental cause of the attitudes of mind, or
the focus of attention. Understand that the absence of the attitudes
of mind is "no-mind" where even the awareness of oneself as an entity
is dissolved. That is called "Spiritual Knowledge," or Vidynana.
51. Where Ignorance (Avidya) has disappeared, and Knowledge (Vidya)
does not remain, and even the higher Spiritual Knowledge (Vidynana)
dissolves, this is ParaGod, the Absolute Reality.
52. Like this, God is Eternal, whereas all imagination ends.
Understand that this is the blissful solitude of the yogis
.
Thus in Shri Dasbodh, a dialogue between the Guru and disciple, Sub-
Chapter 4 of Chapter 7, named "Explanation of Pure God" is
concluded.

well nice enough but I kinda want PERSONAL ideas or knowing here, not ones out of books necessarily but books are required on this plane because man doesn't go within himself on this stuff much yet. But the books are to provide IDEAs and then one is supposed to PONDER what is read, in a quiet place of connection to discern how much might be truth and what might not be. So did you do that with this material?

I have a problem myself you see with the "paragod" here. 51. Where Ignorance (Avidya) has disappeared, and Knowledge (Vidya)
does not remain, and even the higher Spiritual Knowledge (Vidynana)
dissolves, this is ParaGod, the Absolute Reality.

I have to get off for a bit. Will check the thread later, got to go put up the feet and PONDER within for awhile.

Oh on that Freedom of Choice book, I did look at it long ago, I recognize the website, but I likely do not have the free copy anymore, because of lost computers and damaged back up systems on them. You can get it free there though if you can't afford it, you can have one book free search the posts above I think on this page, if not page 3, of the person who posted it.

Good thread OP... I've found the most efficient way to raise one's consciousness is to continually challenge oneself by asking difficult questions.

God doesn't 'live' anywhere particular: He simply IS ("I AM", He said).

I believe God is the whole, entire Universe; and we Humans are parts of His body. He has the option at any time, to transform those parts (including us Humans, who are mentally equipped with freewill) which may be ~unhealthy to His body, yet He mercifully gives us a fair chance to wake up (or wise up) and become ~aware of Him, first. We need to become aware of the fact that He created us (gave us life); and that we are His spiritual children, since our minds are capable of conceptualizing Him.

Because we have freewill, we may ~choose to ignore God (even revile, hate, mock or work against Him) - or - we may choose instead to love and seek Him out, as morally good, emotionally healthy, intelligent (or wise) children seek out their own loving parents.

The key to making the connection to our Creator: love. We can only truly love, that which we know. And we can only know Him, if we seek Him out and honestly try to understand what He really is all about.

I believe He is about all virtue: Love, Morality, Righteousness, ~Justice, Beauty, Health, Mercy, Kindness, Life, Truth, Wisdom, ~Liberty... Because He wants His body (the Universe) to be healthy, too.

The Universe is partly physical (that which is tangible to our five senses), but also has a mind and soul (the Holy Spirit).

That's what Judgement Day is really about: a transformation of the entire Universe. All evil and other unhealthy or unsafe elements will be eliminated at that time, leaving only the good, righteous (healthy, life-supporting, etc.) ones. Hell is really just the death of evil; paradise (or heaven) is the healed Universe, when evil is finally gone.

NIBIRU

LMAO!
youd think God would know He messed up the word "straight" hu?
hey dip, ya you, the guy who banned me from his wanna-be "im god" thread, YOUR NOT GOD brother, sorry to inform you, but i bet im not the only one to do so.

now on thread topic:
if you read the Apocrypha book on the lives of Adam and Eve, we, because of them getting kicked out, can no longer see the plane of heaven.

Duh! They live at 32 Milton avenue, Hounslow, Middelsex. Everybody knows that! Sheeesh!!! :-)

you're helpless ...God isnt coming to save you

stop waiting

where is north?

if you were floating in space where would you be...you wouldnt have a clue..you would have no reference.


As a matter of fact, if you had no reference to your stupid smart phone, what the hell would you do?

if you were floating in space would you go crazy because youre afraid to be alone with your mind?


things to think about

I think it may be past the milkyway. I read that a person traveled to heavens gate. With the power of god of course. Anyway the man mentions he passed the milky way to get to heaven.

if you are sure, then youre smarter than God

not even God knows

4th dimension

beyond formless and formation


I AM THAT.

even though I know that, it still doesnt matter.