Nazoraion is universalism salvation for all,

GOD THE FATHER OF MEN
2. God is the Father of all men. "Have we not all one Father? Hath not one God created us?" Mal. 2:10 A kind Father will not punish his children but for their good. God is evidently called the Father of all men in the Scriptures, and this is not an unmeaning name; he has the disposition and principles of a Father. He loves with a Father's love; he watches with a Father's care; he reproves with a Father's tenderness; he punishes with a Father's design. God is the Father of all men; and, therefore, he cannot make mankind endlessly miserable.

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In the end God will be the father to all, more like Great grandfather who has taken us back from the God of this world and made us his children if we want him as our father.

If Yahoshua The Nazoraion is the Father and He has a Father and no one has ever heard or seen Yahoshua's Father. What does that make Yahoshua's Father? Our Grandfather that had children, who knows how many generations have gone by. The father of this world is not the highest, the Highest can fix the problems of this world, but it is only done through allowing the hearts and minds of individuals to understand, and mature.

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So what's the point of going town to town, being disciples sent out into all the world to preach the good news about the salvation of Jesus Christ?

If you don't need the gospel to be saved, why 12 apostles? What is the point of preaching?

Why are you preaching?

If we are all going to be saved, and knowledge of your sermon is irrelevant to our salvation, is it safe to say there is no point of this thread?


...just saying...

Jesus clearly said many men had the devil as their father.


The antichrist, 666, is the number of a MAN. That is not God's man.


Not all men go to heaven, bible is clear the beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire along with any other who's name is not written in the lamb's book of life.

Reading the Bible independent from other people's opinions and web site's interpretation will bring forth knowledge of the Truth. Just takes some time, but I urge you to do it because it will reward your efforts both to you and for those you care about.

But OP, your heart is in the right place. God is not willing that any should suffer. All the more need for the Truth, we need God's Word to come back with power and authority to save lives.

Use that gift of caring about others' lives to continue your search.

A flag goes up too when people quote scripture and then quote some other guy and use the other guy's logic and reasoning to justify scripture. It should be the other way around.

Yahoshua say's Jhn 5:39

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal (aionion) life: and they are they which testify of me.

The word of the father is truth
Jhn 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Jhn 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

It is the Holy Spirit who leads us to all truth
Jhn 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

In the Greek THE WORD TRANSLATED PUNISHMENT MEANS IMPROVEMENT.

The word is Kolasin. It is thus authoritavely defined: Greenfield, "Chastisement, punishment." Hedericus, "The trimming of the luzuriant branches of a tree or vine to improve it and make it fruitful."Donnegan, "The act of clipping or pruning --restriction, restraint, reproof, check, chastisement." Grotius, "The kind of punishment which tends to the improvement of the criminal, is what the Greek philosophers called kolasis or chastisement." Liddell, "Pruning, checking, punishment, chastisement, correction." Max Muller, "Do we want to know what was uppermost in the minds of those who formed the word for punishment, the Latin pæna or punio, to punish, the root pu in Sanscrit, which means to cleanse, to purify, tells us that the Latin derivation was originally formed, not to express mere striking or torture, but cleansing, correcting, delivering from the stain of sin." That it had this meaning in Greek usage we cite Plato:(55) "For the natural or accidental evils of others, no one gets angry, or admonishes, or teaches or punishes (kolazei) them, but we pity those afflicted with such misfortunes.

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IT HAS BEGUN! THE PSYOP OF JESUS AS THE KING OF THE ALIENS IS IN MOTION!

He sent his disciples out in the world to make disciples of all people. The Disciples, The Way and The Nazoraion was the name of the Church until Antioch. Christian was never a given name from Yahoshua. He said many would come in His Name and say I am the Christ and deceive many.
The point of telling people that if you repent or change your mind and believe that a savior came to save the world, was so people who stop being afraid all the time, would stop put their time and effort in self, beating up self, and judging others, unfairly, and let God do his work and we would have the freedom and grace to do greater works than Yahoshua The Nazoraion.

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All men will be saved, I never said all will go to heaven. The meek will inherit the earth
1 Cor. 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Then perhaps you should learn Hebrew and Greek and not read other people's interpertaion's, even then you are taking someone's word.

I am giving good news. Their is no I'm sorry without paying for your crime. Grace is allowed for those who show grace because they accidently do harm. The good news is you pay and after you get another chance. In the end everyone grows up to have the mind of Messiah (Christ), through patience, that is learning to save...

Mat 2:23
And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene. G3480 (Nazoraios or Nazoraion)

Mat 26:71
And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth. G3480 (The Nazoraios)

Mar 10:47
And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, G3480 (The Nazoraios) he began to cry out, and say, Jesus, thou Son of David, have mercy on me.

Luk 18:37
And they told him, that Jesus of Nazareth G3480 (The Nazoraios passeth by.

Luk 24:19
And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, G3480 (The Nazoraios) which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:


Jhn 18:5
They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. G3480 (The Nazoraion) Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

Jhn 18:7
Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. G3480(The Nazoraion)

Jhn 19:19
And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH G3480 (The Nazoraion, s,) THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Act 2:22
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, G3480 (The Nazoraion) a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Act 3:6
Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth G3480 (The Nazoraion) rise up and walk.

Act 4:10
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, G3480 (The Nazoraion) whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Act 6:14
For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth G3480 (The Nazoraion) shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

Act 22:8
And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, G3480 (The Nazoraion) whom thou persecutest.

Act 24:5
For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: G3480

Act 26:9
I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. G3480 (The Nazoraion


Yahoshua or Jesus was The or that Nazoraion Nazoraios He never claimed to be a Christian....That was given later at Antioch years later, not by him or the disciples.

The Lake of Fire burns the work up not the person

1 Cor. 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Grace is a free gift, mercy is not. Happy are the merciful for they will be shown mercy.

To tell them the good news. Being saved is not the same as having an abundant life.