#1 reason why NASA is is hiding the truth about what they found on the Moon = Religion

If earth was the first planet to be created then how could we have been put here by others?

Either the bible is a lie.

or

There may be advanced beings.

what is a "'41 Yodas"?

the advanced beings definitely left out great britain back then.

there is nothing in the bible that says earth is the first planet.

novus ordo seclorum

means , new order without religion.

I agree. (So many people are eager to discount scripture so they don't have to deal with it.)

In the beginning god created the heaven and the earth.

"heavens" in the ancient world referred to stars and planets

OWNED.

"Let US make man in our image".

"US" meaning the Annunaki. The Sumerians tablet speaks the truth. Everything else, "bible" and other BS is just a poor copy, modified version of the original tablet.

No one can prove the Sumerian tablet wrong.

Heck, they knew what OUR SOLAR SYSTEM looked like thousands of years ago. They even included Nibiru.

Heck, NASA can't even get our solar system right. They left out Pluto and Nibiru.

People are going to believe what people are going to believe. Let's just be careful to label it as "belief."

You should do a google search on the more than 50 documented cases in which "alien" abductees screamed out the name of Christ in their "mind" and these entites suddenly vanished. Very interesting that these beings from outerspace respond to the name of Christ don't ya think?

Interesting because his real name isn't Jesus Christ. It's Yeshua Ben Yosef.

Ok my good man spill the beaNs...lets hear it....give us an outline of your perception on the matter. Would be greatly appreciated on a thread as this.

Ok my good man spill the beaNs...lets hear it....give us an outline of your perception on the matter. Would be greatly appreciated on a thread as this.


I have a Siberian Husky that can unplug electric fencing.

That's all you need to know.

I agree with the Jesus part which I never mentioned in my thread, but Christ is His title.

My faith is strong. There is a verse in the New Test spoken by Jesus where He says "I have other flocks that you know not ". I am no biblical scholar but he may have been referring to other People's and civilizations. I would not be at all surprised to find that we are not alone.

Oh, that's funny, because heaven is a place where people are supposed to go when they die?

It's all a bit confusing.

Let them keep moving the goal posts though.

all that talk and zero support evidence, what makes you think so?

No that's Heaven.

The heavens refers to the night sky, stars and greater universe visible from Earth and there are countless examples supporting that throughout history.

Dude is right and you're a pedantic nitpicker.

nope, that would be Heaven, capital "h"

heaven or heavens - little "h" means the cosmos/universe

Heaven big "h" means the dimensions where God/angels/saints reside/will reside

And the reference in Gen 1:1 is to "heavens," not Heaven.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning [of all things?], God created the heavens and the earth(1).

1. Means "everything" when the two seperate words are combined? But seperately, each word has its own meaning, right?

2. And if God created ex nihilo, and if verse 1 is not a summary of the creative events that are described in detail in later verses, but a verse describing the first event (creation of all matter and the matter of the unformed earth...in short, the universe), then "heavens' here should mean universe, no? That is, if "Heavens" has its own meaning when not combined with "earth" to mean "everything"...

Some translations have it: In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. Heaven (singular), not plural. Is there any difference? And if there isn't any, then why do some translators choose to use both the singular and plural forms?


1:6-8 And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. And God called the expanse Heaven(1). And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

1. Is this expanse supposed to be the sky? Why is "Heaven" here singular, instead of plural, if they both mean the same thing? Besides, isn't God specifically calling this expanse (the sky?) "Heaven"?

2. What was the primitive atmosphere of the earth? If the atmosphere mainly consisted of gases other than water vapors/clouds/mist, then how is that a seperation of waters (the sea and the mist above the sea)?


1:9-10 And God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place(1), and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

1. It's plural here, instead of singular. If Heavens really means the cosmos, then that doesn't make sense, because that would mean the waters above the heaven (assuming heaven means sky...so the clouds?) and also the waters below (the sea) were gathered into one place, causing dry land to appear?

2. Also, when he says "gathered into one place", does that mean that there was one body of water, and also one body of land?


1:14-15 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens(1) to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so.

1. It's plural here as well. This seems to make sense, if by "expanse of the heavens" he means the cosmos...because the lights are not in the sky, but in the universe...(is that what the author of genesis meant? Is that how he understood it?)


1:20 And God said, “Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens(1).

Now this doesn't make sense...the birds flew across the expanse of the heavens? The birds flew in the universe? But if heaven and heavens mean the same thing in hebrew, how do you explain verses 6-8 (he specifically names the expanse that seperates the waters "Heaven").

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That's because there is no case in the scriptures... you have to infer from context. (My point above was supporting your post re: Gen 1:1)

how exactly are you serving your god ? going to pray everyday does not constitute serving ... just scared of going to hell-- if it exists... to serve mean that you are out there in the real world -- not in front of your computer screen and spouting nonsense---helping the unfortunate ones, fighting for justice, spreading HIS compassion and etc... which one are you doing now? just BS nothing more.

Kind of presumptive, isn't it?

Last Edited by Life and Love on 08/11/2012 07:17 PM

Genesis 1:7
"and God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters, which were above the firmament: and it was so:"

Genesis 1:8
"and God called the firmament Heaven."

The "bible" is just a shorty story of what is actually written in the Sumerian tablet.

Which is why a lot of the stuff of HOW things were created left out.

We were created by Genetic Engineering.