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Nibiru Analysis *Jupiter analysis on page 20*

 
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Is she the woman that claims a connection to the Gray Aliens?...Could be someone else I heard about...
 Quoting: Settle4It


Lieder is credited as the originator of the Nibiru theory.
 Quoting: Edge Rider


WWWRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!!!!!!!

she may credit HERSELF with it, but she did no such thing.

Nibiru has been known and discussed in "modern" occult circles for centuries.

Zecharia Sitchin wrote about Nibiru for 20 years before Leider ever came along.

MOST respectable and believable sources for information on Nibiru come from ancient texts.

NO respectable or believable information about nibiru has ever been given by nancy.

she is nothing more than a schizo who can't tell her own face from her ass in the ground.

anyone who gives her any credit deserves as much ridicule as she does.

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Actually a question for Dr. Astro:

My understanding is:
1. Nibiru is supposedly a brown dwarf.
2. A brown dwarf would be a Jupiter size object with 10-90 Jupiter masses.
3. The albedo of Jupiter is .343.
4. The albedo of a brown dwarf would be similar.
5. A brown dwarf would be about as visible as Jupiter if it entered the solar system.

Is this accurate?

Is there any possibility of a brown dwarf that is only visible in infrared?

Thanks.
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Sol having a binary or not is simply not relevant to the Nibiru issue.
Nibiru is a planetary mass object, or larger, in an eccentric orbit that brings it into the inner Solar system every 36 centuries.
Quite unlike any possible binary.

What if it is just a REALLY fast moving asteroid, in the ballpark of 80,000 miles an hour coming from behind the sun?
 Quoting: DrumrDude 21083803

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That would not be Nibiru, and not something anybody could know about in advance.
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He also said that on another planet (think it was Jupiter) we didnt have rings but they popped up all of a sudden.
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They've always been there.
They are just so unsubstantial that the were only discovered recently.
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An Analysis of something that does no exist....must be nice to live in a fantasy world
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Dear Dr. Astro,

Instead of biting off the heads of the DIS-INFORMED, why not put your energies into finding out WHO is DIS-INFORMING and why? GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM if your intentions are good and want to help people out.

As someone with a talent for something as serious as the subject of astronomy, you invest a lot of time on a conspiracy site ? Makes me wonder.
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the gravitational effects of a binary system would be observable. no gravitational effect, no binary system.
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Yet, you can have a stable solar system in a binary system...

[link to imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3461001


Yes, but not with a solar system like ours.

The chances of our solar system being a binary system is actually pretty high considering it's the rule rather than the exception, but if it was on any kind of orbit which would bring it as close as Pluto or so, we'd have noticed it a LONG time ago simply by comparing planetary orbits.
 Quoting: ethzero
Yes, the only thing is that I realize the possible companion star would have to have a very large orbit. Which is why I mentioned earlier is orbital period could be 600+ years (in mention to the dwarf planet, but this applied to anything that can orbit). But I am faaaaaarrr from unerstanding even 1% of everything in astronomy.
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Phenomena will always exist which will be hinted at or even observed to some degree, but has not YET been scientifically observed, authenticated, validated, and understood.

One thing all rational people can agree upon is that where there is smoke there is fire.

It is generally accepted that entities/objects that generate plasma and subtle electromagnetic influences are still largely misunderstood and their influences are not easily correlated to simple 3d measurements of size, mass, or velocity of movement.

Though we cannot identify a source, after observing the many anomalies and symptoms of external influence, combined with our fledgling understanding of quantum physics, plasma physics, including the life's work of Nik Tesla and Wil Reich, and the woodpecker grid, Haarp, gravlev, etc....

we can safely conclude in general terms that there are entities and their "vehicles" (broadly defined), in space, which can exert enormous influence on our solar system and planet, without being recognized by our eyes or telescopes, unless they want to be recognized.
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...

I'm really blue in the face from saying this, but once again, there could be a brown dwarf orbiting at oort cloud distances, it's just unlikely. Odds are there isn't one, but there could be. There is not, however, a brown dwarf or any other kind of star anywhere near the inner solar system, nor is there any such object making regular passes into the inner solar system on a highly elliptical orbit; such an object would severely perturb the planets' orbits and we'd be in a chaotic solar system with moderately high eccentricities for all the planets. I never said the "binary scenario" was impossible however. I explicitly said it was possible:
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Astro,

I was trying to convey a possibility, that is all. A binary in which the two swing towards each other, speeding up as they get closer to each other.

There is no way you can claim with 100% certainty that this is an impossible scenario for us to contend with - even with the corrected ratios you gave us for our solar system.

Not saying it is anywhere near us right now, but insisting that our sun is solo, when we have only been observing it a few hundred years is a tad arrogant.

Listen Astro. Before 2001, people used to say that terrorists could never hijack planes and crash them into buildings - effectively scaring Americans so bad that they allowed their government to completely tear up their constitution and change the very way of life our founding fathers intended us to live. I and many others would have never believed it if you would have told us before hand.

This is the same deal, never say never.

If steel frame buildings can fall from fire exposure, in which thousands of engineers say BS- then we could possibly have a binary that is waaaaay out there.
 Quoting: DrumrDude 21083803


If I am not mistaken....Astro did not say Never - I believe he put the probability at 9% that a binary system exists.

Next question.
 Quoting: ShillsRUs



ShillsRus,

I didn't know that Astro admitted that, even at 9% - that is the possibility that I was talking about.

The serious studying that I have done into celestial mechanics can make your head spin, but is absolutely necessary - you can weed through most of these threads and shoot them down like Astro does if you are educated.

However, like I have mentioned tons of times before : the world governments ARE prepping for something celestial or geological. You cannot deny the evidence - it is everywhere, all over the globe. Like I also say, this is not happening from us driving SUV's like Al Gore says.

I think my 9/11 analogy hit it out of the park if I may say so myself, NEVER SAY NEVER to anything, if you are indeed a scientist.

That is all.
 Quoting: DrumrDude 21083803


No worries. I agree with your assessment. We can NEVER SAY NEVER - we can only strive to understand more.


afro
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the gravitational effects of a binary system would be observable. no gravitational effect, no binary system.
 Quoting: Edge Rider
Yet, you can have a stable solar system in a binary system...

[link to imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3461001


Yes, but not with a solar system like ours.

The chances of our solar system being a binary system is actually pretty high considering it's the rule rather than the exception, but if it was on any kind of orbit which would bring it as close as Pluto or so, we'd have noticed it a LONG time ago simply by comparing planetary orbits.
 Quoting: ethzero
Yes, the only thing is that I realize the possible companion star would have to have a very large orbit. Which is why I mentioned earlier is orbital period could be 600+ years (in mention to the dwarf planet, but this applied to anything that can orbit). But I am faaaaaarrr from unerstanding even 1% of everything in astronomy.
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ancient texts give its orbital period at 3600 years
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Dear Dr. Astro,

Instead of biting off the heads of the DIS-INFORMED, why not put your energies into finding out WHO is DIS-INFORMING and why? GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM if your intentions are good and want to help people out.

As someone with a talent for something as serious as the subject of astronomy, you invest a lot of time on a conspiracy site ? Makes me wonder.
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What the heck dude? A second ago you were all peace and flowers, now suddenly you're gunning for me?

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i'm sort of sorry. i tried. but the fact that you're trying SO hard with these zeta-heads is mind boggling.

why do you do this to yourself?

there must be some other motivation other than helping people learn.

get away from these zetas.

they're hurting your brain.
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What are the ZETAS you are talking about?...
 Quoting: Settle4It


talking about the zeta ridiculi gray'S.lmao i meant reticuli.

or those from the south south west of leo constellation!

pleadies? Rasalas! well.

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Astro,

I was trying to convey a possibility, that is all. A binary in which the two swing towards each other, speeding up as they get closer to each other.

There is no way you can claim with 100% certainty that this is an impossible scenario for us to contend with - even with the corrected ratios you gave us for our solar system.

Not saying it is anywhere near us right now, but insisting that our sun is solo, when we have only been observing it a few hundred years is a tad arrogant.

Listen Astro. Before 2001, people used to say that terrorists could never hijack planes and crash them into buildings - effectively scaring Americans so bad that they allowed their government to completely tear up their constitution and change the very way of life our founding fathers intended us to live. I and many others would have never believed it if you would have told us before hand.

This is the same deal, never say never.

If steel frame buildings can fall from fire exposure, in which thousands of engineers say BS- then we could possibly have a binary that is waaaaay out there.
 Quoting: DrumrDude 21083803


If I am not mistaken....Astro did not say Never - I believe he put the probability at 9% that a binary system exists.

Next question.
 Quoting: ShillsRUs



ShillsRus,

I didn't know that Astro admitted that, even at 9% - that is the possibility that I was talking about.

The serious studying that I have done into celestial mechanics can make your head spin, but is absolutely necessary - you can weed through most of these threads and shoot them down like Astro does if you are educated.

However, like I have mentioned tons of times before : the world governments ARE prepping for something celestial or geological. You cannot deny the evidence - it is everywhere, all over the globe. Like I also say, this is not happening from us driving SUV's like Al Gore says.

I think my 9/11 analogy hit it out of the park if I may say so myself, NEVER SAY NEVER to anything, if you are indeed a scientist.

That is all.
 Quoting: DrumrDude 21083803


No worries. I agree with your assessment. We can NEVER SAY NEVER - we can only strive to understand more.


afro
 Quoting: ShillsRUs


Well put Shills, well put - agreed. afroafro
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Our solar system is just getting pummeled, in my opinion. There's an energy that is affecting the entire solar system, as well as the Sun, and I think the government knows that if conspiracy theorists (like us) figured out exactly what was happening, we'd quit our jobs and cause havoc, rather than just buy dehydrated food and relocate to the so-called "safe zones" that Moore talks about.

They give us Nibiru to keep us at bay and to distract us from whatever the real science is that they're trying to keep quiet. As long as we can't see Nibiru, people think "Oh, it's not here yet, I've still got more time, I'll go to work and pay my bills."

Every time John's on the radio, when he tries to explain how Nibiru has caused 30 years of global warming, he says "It's action at a distance."

Really? Moore's Nibiru is 3-5 times the size of Earth. Why would an object that is 3-5 times the size of the Earth cause 30 years of global warming from so far away?

Moore says "Well, because it's got a far larger iron-nickel core than the Earth giving it more bang for its buck."

These are precise Moore quotes from his show and presentations.

It's nonsensical. A planetary body 3-5 times the size of Earth wouldn't just magically heat up our solar system for the past 30 years from a ridiculous distance and cause the kind of changes to the sun that GLPers have been posting on this board for the past year.

It's not "action at a distance." It's an energy that is already here, already in your face, and is already enveloping our entire solar system. When it hits full throttle, it won't matter if you're a prepper.

Every time someone like Moore says "Nibiru is coming and it's almost here", someone like Astromut or TBar can point out how stupid that theory really is, and can show conclusively that there are no brown dwarfs close to the solar system, and there are no planetary bodies 3-5 times the size of the Earth close to the solar system, let alone INSIDE the solar system. Nibiru is a mouse trap, it traps you, confuses you, angers you, and gets you to spend countless hours arguing about where it is, when it's coming, until you either give up, or you believe it and you just sit and wait.

As long as you're waiting for Nibiru, and you can't see it yet, you don't realize that you're already dead.
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Phenomena will always exist which will be hinted at or even observed to some degree, but has not YET been scientifically observed, authenticated, validated, and understood.

One thing all rational people can agree upon is that where there is smoke there is fire.

It is generally accepted that entities/objects that generate plasma and subtle electromagnetic influences are still largely misunderstood and their influences are not easily correlated to simple 3d measurements of size, mass, or velocity of movement.

Though we cannot identify a source, after observing the many anomalies and symptoms of external influence, combined with our fledgling understanding of quantum physics, plasma physics, including the life's work of Nik Tesla and Wil Reich, and the woodpecker grid, Haarp, gravlev, etc....

we can safely conclude in general terms that there are entities and their "vehicles" (broadly defined), in space, which can exert enormous influence on our solar system and planet, without being recognized by our eyes or telescopes, unless they want to be recognized.
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Quite correct.

This Magical Pink Fairy Planet (your "vehicle") is undoubtedly drawn by a team of Astro-Unicorns farting Orgone Plasma Orbs for propulsion and being ridden by a Jolly Old Elf in a Red Velvet Suit withe White Fur Trim.

The whole thing is invisible since, as that distinguished astropsycho Wilhelm Reich noted, "Crazy people see things sane people do not."

Around the end of March/beginning of April there is usually noted a disturbance in the Matrix when a Giant White Rodent dragging a very large Bag Oof Candy and Crates of Decoratively Coloured Hen's Eggs joins the troup and the plasmatastic field warps causing warming ion the northern hemisphere and cooling in the southern hemisphere.

Nic. Tesla documented this in 1932 but his papers have been stolen by the FBI and sequestered in the vaults at Ft. Knox.

Anything is possible, right?


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ancient texts give its orbital period at 3600 years
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do you know what the reasoning is as to why nibiru didnt gobble up the earth on its previous 3 passes?
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Our solar system is just getting pummeled, in my opinion. There's an energy that is affecting the entire solar system, as well as the Sun, and I think the government knows that if conspiracy theorists (like us) figured out exactly what was happening, we'd quit our jobs and cause havoc, rather than just buy dehydrated food and relocate to the so-called "safe zones" that Moore talks about.

They give us Nibiru to keep us at bay and to distract us from whatever the real science is that they're trying to keep quiet. As long as we can't see Nibiru, people think "Oh, it's not here yet, I've still got more time, I'll go to work and pay my bills."

Every time John's on the radio, when he tries to explain how Nibiru has caused 30 years of global warming, he says "It's action at a distance."

Really? Moore's Nibiru is 3-5 times the size of Earth. Why would an object that is 3-5 times the size of the Earth cause 30 years of global warming from so far away?

Moore says "Well, because it's got a far larger iron-nickel core than the Earth giving it more bang for its buck."

These are precise Moore quotes from his show and presentations.

It's nonsensical. A planetary body 3-5 times the size of Earth wouldn't just magically heat up our solar system for the past 30 years from a ridiculous distance and cause the kind of changes to the sun that GLPers have been posting on this board for the past year.

It's not "action at a distance." It's an energy that is already here, already in your face, and is already enveloping our entire solar system. When it hits full throttle, it won't matter if you're a prepper.

Every time someone like Moore says "Nibiru is coming and it's almost here", someone like Astromut or TBar can point out how stupid that theory really is, and can show conclusively that there are no brown dwarfs close to the solar system, and there are no planetary bodies 3-5 times the size of the Earth close to the solar system, let alone INSIDE the solar system. Nibiru is a mouse trap, it traps you, confuses you, angers you, and gets you to spend countless hours arguing about where it is, when it's coming, until you either give up, or you believe it and you just sit and wait.

As long as you're waiting for Nibiru, and you can't see it yet, you don't realize that you're already dead.
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Thank you!...Sometimes it is hard to see that which is right in front of you!...
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Our solar system is just getting pummeled, in my opinion. There's an energy that is affecting the entire solar system, as well as the Sun, and I think the government knows that if conspiracy theorists (like us) figured out exactly what was happening, we'd quit our jobs and cause havoc, rather than just buy dehydrated food and relocate to the so-called "safe zones" that Moore talks about.

They give us Nibiru to keep us at bay and to distract us from whatever the real science is that they're trying to keep quiet. As long as we can't see Nibiru, people think "Oh, it's not here yet, I've still got more time, I'll go to work and pay my bills."

Every time John's on the radio, when he tries to explain how Nibiru has caused 30 years of global warming, he says "It's action at a distance."

Really? Moore's Nibiru is 3-5 times the size of Earth. Why would an object that is 3-5 times the size of the Earth cause 30 years of global warming from so far away?

Moore says "Well, because it's got a far larger iron-nickel core than the Earth giving it more bang for its buck."

These are precise Moore quotes from his show and presentations.

It's nonsensical. A planetary body 3-5 times the size of Earth wouldn't just magically heat up our solar system for the past 30 years from a ridiculous distance and cause the kind of changes to the sun that GLPers have been posting on this board for the past year.

It's not "action at a distance." It's an energy that is already here, already in your face, and is already enveloping our entire solar system. When it hits full throttle, it won't matter if you're a prepper.

Every time someone like Moore says "Nibiru is coming and it's almost here", someone like Astromut or TBar can point out how stupid that theory really is, and can show conclusively that there are no brown dwarfs close to the solar system, and there are no planetary bodies 3-5 times the size of the Earth close to the solar system, let alone INSIDE the solar system. Nibiru is a mouse trap, it traps you, confuses you, angers you, and gets you to spend countless hours arguing about where it is, when it's coming, until you either give up, or you believe it and you just sit and wait.

As long as you're waiting for Nibiru, and you can't see it yet, you don't realize that you're already dead.
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Thank you!...Sometimes it is hard to see that which is right in front of you!...
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exactly. People keep "waiting for Nibiru."

Yeah, keep waiting, tell Nibiru I said hi when it finally decides to show itself.

We're already dead, we just don't realize it because the masses have been brainwashed to believe that this object has to show up in our living room first.

It's bullshit
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Our solar system is just getting pummeled, in my opinion. There's an energy that is affecting the entire solar system, as well as the Sun, and I think the government knows that if conspiracy theorists (like us) figured out exactly what was happening, we'd quit our jobs and cause havoc, rather than just buy dehydrated food and relocate to the so-called "safe zones" that Moore talks about.

They give us Nibiru to keep us at bay and to distract us from whatever the real science is that they're trying to keep quiet. As long as we can't see Nibiru, people think "Oh, it's not here yet, I've still got more time, I'll go to work and pay my bills."

Every time John's on the radio, when he tries to explain how Nibiru has caused 30 years of global warming, he says "It's action at a distance."

Really? Moore's Nibiru is 3-5 times the size of Earth. Why would an object that is 3-5 times the size of the Earth cause 30 years of global warming from so far away?

Moore says "Well, because it's got a far larger iron-nickel core than the Earth giving it more bang for its buck."

These are precise Moore quotes from his show and presentations.

It's nonsensical. A planetary body 3-5 times the size of Earth wouldn't just magically heat up our solar system for the past 30 years from a ridiculous distance and cause the kind of changes to the sun that GLPers have been posting on this board for the past year.

It's not "action at a distance." It's an energy that is already here, already in your face, and is already enveloping our entire solar system. When it hits full throttle, it won't matter if you're a prepper.

Every time someone like Moore says "Nibiru is coming and it's almost here", someone like Astromut or TBar can point out how stupid that theory really is, and can show conclusively that there are no brown dwarfs close to the solar system, and there are no planetary bodies 3-5 times the size of the Earth close to the solar system, let alone INSIDE the solar system. Nibiru is a mouse trap, it traps you, confuses you, angers you, and gets you to spend countless hours arguing about where it is, when it's coming, until you either give up, or you believe it and you just sit and wait.

As long as you're waiting for Nibiru, and you can't see it yet, you don't realize that you're already dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21686181


By your theory, it doesn't matter what we do, we're dead anyway.

May as well just keep going about our daily business in that case. And I wish people would stop with the Nibiru threads. Not one single thread I've seen has produced even one remotely accurate piece of evidence which can be verified by other observers.
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Our solar system is just getting pummeled, in my opinion. There's an energy that is affecting the entire solar system, as well as the Sun, and I think the government knows that if conspiracy theorists (like us) figured out exactly what was happening, we'd quit our jobs and cause havoc, rather than just buy dehydrated food and relocate to the so-called "safe zones" that Moore talks about.

They give us Nibiru to keep us at bay and to distract us from whatever the real science is that they're trying to keep quiet. As long as we can't see Nibiru, people think "Oh, it's not here yet, I've still got more time, I'll go to work and pay my bills."

Every time John's on the radio, when he tries to explain how Nibiru has caused 30 years of global warming, he says "It's action at a distance."

Really? Moore's Nibiru is 3-5 times the size of Earth. Why would an object that is 3-5 times the size of the Earth cause 30 years of global warming from so far away?

Moore says "Well, because it's got a far larger iron-nickel core than the Earth giving it more bang for its buck."

These are precise Moore quotes from his show and presentations.

It's nonsensical. A planetary body 3-5 times the size of Earth wouldn't just magically heat up our solar system for the past 30 years from a ridiculous distance and cause the kind of changes to the sun that GLPers have been posting on this board for the past year.

It's not "action at a distance." It's an energy that is already here, already in your face, and is already enveloping our entire solar system. When it hits full throttle, it won't matter if you're a prepper.

Every time someone like Moore says "Nibiru is coming and it's almost here", someone like Astromut or TBar can point out how stupid that theory really is, and can show conclusively that there are no brown dwarfs close to the solar system, and there are no planetary bodies 3-5 times the size of the Earth close to the solar system, let alone INSIDE the solar system. Nibiru is a mouse trap, it traps you, confuses you, angers you, and gets you to spend countless hours arguing about where it is, when it's coming, until you either give up, or you believe it and you just sit and wait.

As long as you're waiting for Nibiru, and you can't see it yet, you don't realize that you're already dead.
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Thank you!...Sometimes it is hard to see that which is right in front of you!...
 Quoting: Settle4It


exactly. People keep "waiting for Nibiru."

Yeah, keep waiting, tell Nibiru I said hi when it finally decides to show itself.

We're already dead, we just don't realize it because the masses have been brainwashed to believe that this object has to show up in our living room first.

It's bullshit
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The truth is hard for many to understand...or hear...why?...As you point out...TPTB have not said so...They have not given the ok for last minute panic...While waiting upon the anouncement to happen...they are digging into their Deep Underground Military Bunkers...to hide in their own graves...
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Phenomena will always exist which will be hinted at or even observed to some degree, but has not YET been scientifically observed, authenticated, validated, and understood.

One thing all rational people can agree upon is that where there is smoke there is fire.

It is generally accepted that entities/objects that generate plasma and subtle electromagnetic influences are still largely misunderstood and their influences are not easily correlated to simple 3d measurements of size, mass, or velocity of movement.

Though we cannot identify a source, after observing the many anomalies and symptoms of external influence, combined with our fledgling understanding of quantum physics, plasma physics, including the life's work of Nik Tesla and Wil Reich, and the woodpecker grid, Haarp, gravlev, etc....

we can safely conclude in general terms that there are entities and their "vehicles" (broadly defined), in space, which can exert enormous influence on our solar system and planet, without being recognized by our eyes or telescopes, unless they want to be recognized.
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Quite correct.

This Magical Pink Fairy Planet (your "vehicle") is undoubtedly drawn by a team of Astro-Unicorns farting Orgone Plasma Orbs for propulsion and being ridden by a Jolly Old Elf in a Red Velvet Suit withe White Fur Trim.

The whole thing is invisible since, as that distinguished astropsycho Wilhelm Reich noted, "Crazy people see things sane people do not."

Around the end of March/beginning of April there is usually noted a disturbance in the Matrix when a Giant White Rodent dragging a very large Bag Oof Candy and Crates of Decoratively Coloured Hen's Eggs joins the troup and the plasmatastic field warps causing warming ion the northern hemisphere and cooling in the southern hemisphere.

Nic. Tesla documented this in 1932 but his papers have been stolen by the FBI and sequestered in the vaults at Ft. Knox.

Anything is possible, right?


R.
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Old School Shilling. I like it, really I do. 5 star post.

In case you didn't notice, I specifically refrained from offering any specific speculative scenario that I cannot prove empirically.

Yet as you had to admit, my analysis was "quite correct" as in I did delineate the way of things in no uncertain terms.

As you were further were forced to corroborate at the end of your clever little rant by saying "Anything is possible, right", although you did not intend it that way.

So, to be more exact and proper, "anything" is possible as long as its activity and influence follow the rules and laws of the universe, including those rules and laws that we have not yet come to understand fully.

Where there is smoke there is fire.

Feel the Burn. 420 or otherwise.
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Our solar system is just getting pummeled, in my opinion. There's an energy that is affecting the entire solar system, as well as the Sun, and I think the government knows that if conspiracy theorists (like us) figured out exactly what was happening, we'd quit our jobs and cause havoc, rather than just buy dehydrated food and relocate to the so-called "safe zones" that Moore talks about.

They give us Nibiru to keep us at bay and to distract us from whatever the real science is that they're trying to keep quiet. As long as we can't see Nibiru, people think "Oh, it's not here yet, I've still got more time, I'll go to work and pay my bills."

Every time John's on the radio, when he tries to explain how Nibiru has caused 30 years of global warming, he says "It's action at a distance."

Really? Moore's Nibiru is 3-5 times the size of Earth. Why would an object that is 3-5 times the size of the Earth cause 30 years of global warming from so far away?

Moore says "Well, because it's got a far larger iron-nickel core than the Earth giving it more bang for its buck."

These are precise Moore quotes from his show and presentations.

It's nonsensical. A planetary body 3-5 times the size of Earth wouldn't just magically heat up our solar system for the past 30 years from a ridiculous distance and cause the kind of changes to the sun that GLPers have been posting on this board for the past year.

It's not "action at a distance." It's an energy that is already here, already in your face, and is already enveloping our entire solar system. When it hits full throttle, it won't matter if you're a prepper.

Every time someone like Moore says "Nibiru is coming and it's almost here", someone like Astromut or TBar can point out how stupid that theory really is, and can show conclusively that there are no brown dwarfs close to the solar system, and there are no planetary bodies 3-5 times the size of the Earth close to the solar system, let alone INSIDE the solar system. Nibiru is a mouse trap, it traps you, confuses you, angers you, and gets you to spend countless hours arguing about where it is, when it's coming, until you either give up, or you believe it and you just sit and wait.

As long as you're waiting for Nibiru, and you can't see it yet, you don't realize that you're already dead.
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By your theory, it doesn't matter what we do, we're dead anyway.

May as well just keep going about our daily business in that case. And I wish people would stop with the Nibiru threads. Not one single thread I've seen has produced even one remotely accurate piece of evidence which can be verified by other observers.
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yes, most of us will die. It's just that simple
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ancient texts give its orbital period at 3600 years
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do you know what the reasoning is as to why nibiru didnt gobble up the earth on its previous 3 passes?
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it doesn't come close enough to gobble us up. its closest pass brings it through the asteroid belt.

in Psalms, the psalmist described The Lord as passing through the heavens, causing mountains to melt and seas to rise up.

the prophetess Deborah described the same things.

The Lord astride the Earth from Horizon to Horizon most likely, in my view, describes the passing of Nibiru and its effects on our planet.
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Is she the woman that claims a connection to the Gray Aliens?...Could be someone else I heard about...
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Lieder is credited as the originator of the Nibiru theory.
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WWWRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!!!!!!!

she may credit HERSELF with it, but she did no such thing.

Nibiru has been known and discussed in "modern" occult circles for centuries.

Zecharia Sitchin wrote about Nibiru for 20 years before Leider ever came along.

MOST respectable and believable sources for information on Nibiru come from ancient texts.

NO respectable or believable information about nibiru has ever been given by nancy.

she is nothing more than a schizo who can't tell her own face from her ass in the ground.

anyone who gives her any credit deserves as much ridicule as she does.
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Nibiru comes from Sumerian history... see info on the Vril Society and Nibiru for more info.



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Our solar system is just getting pummeled, in my opinion. There's an energy that is affecting the entire solar system, as well as the Sun, and I think the government knows that if conspiracy theorists (like us) figured out exactly what was happening, we'd quit our jobs and cause havoc, rather than just buy dehydrated food and relocate to the so-called "safe zones" that Moore talks about.

They give us Nibiru to keep us at bay and to distract us from whatever the real science is that they're trying to keep quiet. As long as we can't see Nibiru, people think "Oh, it's not here yet, I've still got more time, I'll go to work and pay my bills."

Every time John's on the radio, when he tries to explain how Nibiru has caused 30 years of global warming, he says "It's action at a distance."

Really? Moore's Nibiru is 3-5 times the size of Earth. Why would an object that is 3-5 times the size of the Earth cause 30 years of global warming from so far away?

Moore says "Well, because it's got a far larger iron-nickel core than the Earth giving it more bang for its buck."

These are precise Moore quotes from his show and presentations.

It's nonsensical. A planetary body 3-5 times the size of Earth wouldn't just magically heat up our solar system for the past 30 years from a ridiculous distance and cause the kind of changes to the sun that GLPers have been posting on this board for the past year.

It's not "action at a distance." It's an energy that is already here, already in your face, and is already enveloping our entire solar system. When it hits full throttle, it won't matter if you're a prepper.

Every time someone like Moore says "Nibiru is coming and it's almost here", someone like Astromut or TBar can point out how stupid that theory really is, and can show conclusively that there are no brown dwarfs close to the solar system, and there are no planetary bodies 3-5 times the size of the Earth close to the solar system, let alone INSIDE the solar system. Nibiru is a mouse trap, it traps you, confuses you, angers you, and gets you to spend countless hours arguing about where it is, when it's coming, until you either give up, or you believe it and you just sit and wait.

As long as you're waiting for Nibiru, and you can't see it yet, you don't realize that you're already dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21686181


By your theory, it doesn't matter what we do, we're dead anyway.

May as well just keep going about our daily business in that case. And I wish people would stop with the Nibiru threads. Not one single thread I've seen has produced even one remotely accurate piece of evidence which can be verified by other observers.
 Quoting: ethzero


yes, most of us will die. It's just that simple
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My favorite John Moore stall tactic......."Well, the reason why you can't see it is because it's coming from the South....so don't bother looking unless you have a telescope and an igloo and live on the South Pole."

Same thing from Marshall Masters. "Nibiru is coming, it's the cause of everything, but it comes from the South, it will be here soon, but you can't see it until it kills you."

Thanks Marshall, you hack.

JOHN BORE and MARSHALL MASTURBATOR down for the count.

sideways bananasex dance
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Phenomena will always exist which will be hinted at or even observed to some degree, but has not YET been scientifically observed, authenticated, validated, and understood.

One thing all rational people can agree upon is that where there is smoke there is fire.

It is generally accepted that entities/objects that generate plasma and subtle electromagnetic influences are still largely misunderstood and their influences are not easily correlated to simple 3d measurements of size, mass, or velocity of movement.

Though we cannot identify a source, after observing the many anomalies and symptoms of external influence, combined with our fledgling understanding of quantum physics, plasma physics, including the life's work of Nik Tesla and Wil Reich, and the woodpecker grid, Haarp, gravlev, etc....

we can safely conclude in general terms that there are entities and their "vehicles" (broadly defined), in space, which can exert enormous influence on our solar system and planet, without being recognized by our eyes or telescopes, unless they want to be recognized.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19449421


Quite correct.

This Magical Pink Fairy Planet (your "vehicle") is undoubtedly drawn by a team of Astro-Unicorns farting Orgone Plasma Orbs for propulsion and being ridden by a Jolly Old Elf in a Red Velvet Suit withe White Fur Trim.

The whole thing is invisible since, as that distinguished astropsycho Wilhelm Reich noted, "Crazy people see things sane people do not."

Around the end of March/beginning of April there is usually noted a disturbance in the Matrix when a Giant White Rodent dragging a very large Bag Oof Candy and Crates of Decoratively Coloured Hen's Eggs joins the troup and the plasmatastic field warps causing warming ion the northern hemisphere and cooling in the southern hemisphere.

Nic. Tesla documented this in 1932 but his papers have been stolen by the FBI and sequestered in the vaults at Ft. Knox.

Anything is possible, right?


R.
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Old School Shilling. I like it, really I do. 5 star post.

In case you didn't notice, I specifically refrained from offering any specific speculative scenario that I cannot prove empirically.

Yet as you had to admit, my analysis was "quite correct" as in I did delineate the way of things in no uncertain terms.

As you were further were forced to corroborate at the end of your clever little rant by saying "Anything is possible, right", although you did not intend it that way.

So, to be more exact and proper, "anything" is possible as long as its activity and influence follow the rules and laws of the universe, including those rules and laws that we have not yet come to understand fully.

Where there is smoke there is fire.

Feel the Burn. 420 or otherwise.
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Hey, back off. I'm with you kid.

So tell me, how much plasma and orgone do you estimate it is taking to cause all the "anomalies" here on earth?

10 Gallons?
55 Gallons?
20 Pecks?
60 Bushels?

What are plasmas measured in, anyway? Please inform me as you are obviously an expert in these matters, and together we'll get to the bottom of this smokey mystery.

Where there's smoke there's fire, except the smoke from smoke machines.

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A fool and his monkey are often uncles.

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ok, so even if it is only a 9% chance, can you prove that we do not have a companion star? It IS likely based on observations by the people who WERE here to witness something devastating to them and there is concrete proof that something along the lines of a re entry into our vicinity took place, and it is on a cycle.
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No, that is not what ancient civilizations said they saw. Some of their mythologies have been badly distorted by people like sitchen who told fantastic stories that were simply false.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

There are quite a few articles on the net
which will argue he point "Stichen was Right"
Maybe Mike Heiser just sounds more convincing.
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binary systems are the rule, not the exception...
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absolutely, that's why I'm convinced the ancients knew what they were talking about, no coincidence there.
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I'm afraid you're both wrong. Wide separated binaries, defined as a separation greater than about 200 AU, make up about 9 percent of local stars at best:
[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]
If our solar system were a "binary," it would have to be one such system; it's clearly not a close binary system with two stars closely orbiting each other at small distances as many binaries are, so that leaves about a 9% chance of it being a binary based on pure random chance. Indeed, taken as a whole, the majority of stars in our galaxy are actually single:
[link to www.cfa.harvard.edu]
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I agree with all that I have read from you on this subject. I think we would be better served looking out for un-mapped comets and meteors which are a possible danger to our planet and our moon.
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ok, so even if it is only a 9% chance, can you prove that we do not have a companion star? It IS likely based on observations by the people who WERE here to witness something devastating to them and there is concrete proof that something along the lines of a re entry into our vicinity took place, and it is on a cycle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17084496


No, that is not what ancient civilizations said they saw. Some of their mythologies have been badly distorted by people like sitchen who told fantastic stories that were simply false.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

There are quite a few articles on the net
which will argue he point "Stichen was Right"
Maybe Mike Heiser just sounds more convincing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1568805


please don't bring in heiser.

he is about as reputable as leider.
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Re: Nibiru Analysis *Jupiter analysis on page 20*
So lately there have been various claims made that a brown dwarf of some kind is rapidly approaching our planet and can only be seen in infrared and only from southern hemisphere or is even exclusive to Antarctica somehow. Though I originally performed this analysis specifically for Dallasdog's thread ( Thread: ******FOUR SIREN ALERT NIBIRU IS NEAR***** ) similar claims have been made by other nibiru promoters such as John Moore ( Thread: The John Moore Show 7-25-2012 - Special Nibiru 2 Hr Presentation ). Well, here's my analysis based on some assumptions that are very generous to the Nibiru claims, such as putting it at the maximum possible approach speed so as to give the least possible warning and making it a minimum mass brown dwarf. The question is, would we be able to notice the effects of such a body on the positions of the planets, and do we see those effects right now?

Solar system modeled using ORSA ( [link to orsa.sourceforge.net]
Saturn ephemeris generation performed with Cartes du Ciel ( [link to www.ap-i.net]
ORSA orbital elements output visualized with Stellarium ( [link to www.stellarium.org]
Astrometrically solved Saturn image with embedded WCS data:
[link to www.4shared.com]
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IS THAT YOUR VOICE ON THIS VIDEO ASTROMUT????????

OMG I have always imagined you as some grouchy old Ed Asner type guy sitting on his front porch down in Florida in his wife beater Tee-shirt drinking a warm can of Bud-lite while spinning his telescope round in circles waiting for his girlfriend Tbar to come over and give each other reach arounds...

but now, hearing your voice, shit, you are nothing but a pencil neck geek yuppie queer type...I feel sorry for you now, whereas before, there was at least an confrontational feeling, not pity.

You can tell a lot by a person's voice.

I can tell the voice on that video never played High School football, or any sport for that matter...you were a chess club kid weren't you?

That voice never got the Prom Queen...that voice wanted to be the Prom Queen

That voice got bullied in school a lot I bet, all that lunch money you lost

Do you live in your mom's basement, or above your parent's garage?

Tbar always sounds like a queer on his videos...you make Tbar sound like Ving Rhames

Bet your favorite shows are, "The Big Bang Theory", "How I met your Mother", "30 Rock", and "Old Cristine"...gay shit like that huh?

You monkey dick, now I am actually afraid that Nibiru might be real, your voice doesn't know shit, and we all can hear that. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if Elenin came back and hit us after hearing your voice

In all seriousness, you have the voice of a punk, so please STFU from now on or get Ed Asner to do voice over work on all your videos

You lost all credibility now, but still have not lost your virginity

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL your voice sounds like a female US swimmer at the Olympics

LOL I pity you moron, you do not know dick about astronomy...I can tell by your voice, you are just a punk kid wanna be with a telescope and some anal lube...put your telescope away kid...you are dismissed from any further consideration as an authority on ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on Nibiru, crush us just to prove what a stupid ass kid Astromut turned out to be
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ok, so even if it is only a 9% chance, can you prove that we do not have a companion star? It IS likely based on observations by the people who WERE here to witness something devastating to them and there is concrete proof that something along the lines of a re entry into our vicinity took place, and it is on a cycle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17084496


No, that is not what ancient civilizations said they saw. Some of their mythologies have been badly distorted by people like sitchen who told fantastic stories that were simply false.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


funny, then, that the subject was discussed for about 50 years before sitchin -- by archaeologists and sumerologists...
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