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Why are you afraid of lawful gun ownership?

 
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Can I say Miggy gives me hardon outloud or will that get me banned?
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Well, that... And the fact that the "government" has FULLY AUTOMATIC weapons (that WE paid for), and an unlimited amount of ammunition (that WE paid for). The 'government" has all kinds of super high-tech weaponry at their disposal (that WE paid for).

If it ever comes down to people having to defend themselves from the globalist juggernaut bearing down on this country, including foreign troops, etc... What are we supposed to use? Single shot rifles against all of that?

What kind of a traitorous evil puke would wish THAT on his fellow countrymen?
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The kind that wants to beat him.
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Yes... I understand that, which is why my question was rhetorical. :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21640558


You mock me in a funny way...

Good job
 Quoting: tin foil hat off



I a not mocking you in ANY way. I was actually AGREEING with you.
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Can I say Miggy gives me hardon outloud or will that get me banned?
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Can I say Miggy gives me hardon outloud or will that get me banned?
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Hehe, I won't ban you, but I reserve her right to do so.
Study history, or STFU! Let me guess? You'll speak your empty mind?
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OP- (TFHO) and AC 0558

I have to say, I am not anti gun, being single female I have yet to own one but, one day will feel safer with one. The town I live in is small,quiet and quite peaceful, so no need for a gun yet. When shit starts to happen - I will certainly get or already have one - even if it is an illegal one. I see no reason for criminals to have guns for purposes of ill intent where I would have one for protection.

I have enjoyed your responces to the anti-gun people on here tonite.

You 2 have made perfact and logical sense. I can easily see that the 2 people you're debating ----just don't get it!

If I have learned nothing from all the gun threads on GLP but...when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

thats all I really need to know to know that I have to protect myself.

as they say, I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Thanks you 2 for the words of wisdom.hf
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Dude, nothing happened when the Dems had full control of he house, senate and the presidency.


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Because 1996 still stings.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


Newt and the republicans controlled the house in 96. They gained control during the midterm elections in 94...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9664906


Newt and the Republicans turned out to be the very lying traitorous TURDS that I predicted they would be, when the toad came up with his Contract ON AmeriKa.
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I will never understand the tyranny-loving mind.

To them, it's not enough that the "government" ALREADY has a dramatic advantage when it comes to high-tech weaponry and virtually unlimited ammo. They would still want you reduced to the lowest ability to defend yourself possible. They would desire that you have a single shot rifle or pistol if that) against fully automatic machine guns.

It's not enough that the "government" has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it is extremely hostile to our rights and liberties, and is eliminating them systematically. The tyranny-loving mind places so much trust in their power-drunken masters, that they feel we need to have MORE rights, freedoms, and privacy's taken away.

It's not enough that the "government" is LEAPS and BOUNDS far more corrupt than at any time in the entire history of this nation. The tyranny-loving mind would like to see them given even MORE power and authority, and MORE reductions in our God-given rights.

It's not enough that this "government" has granted itself the ability to LEGALLY arrest and indefinitely detain (imprison) any person it decides to, without a trial, or even a CHARGE. That you may be tortured, and even put to death, having done NOTHING, aside from being someone who DOESN'T love tyranny.

It's not enough that the Powers That Suck have declared the entire United States as a "battlefield", or that they are targeting conservatives, constitutionalists, patriots, veterans, Christians, Ron Paul supporters, and labeling them as "domestic terrorists". The tyranny-loving mind thinks that this is a good thing, and doesn't realize that they themselves will eventually be included in a list of "undesirables".

The tyranny-loving mind, has a cowardly heart. It doesn't want war, just as none of the good and decent people of America do not. But they don't want to face the fact that war may come to THEM, and that they may eventually be FORCED into a war for their very lives. And in the meantime, they will continue to support the WEAKENING of our ability to defend ourselves as the RIGHTFUL authority OVER government, in the manner that the founders intended.

The tyranny-loving mind never learns from history. It doesn't have the Spirit of God in it's heart, so it makes a "god" out of it's fellow man (the state). And it counts on the good graces of the state, even when the state is transforming before it's very eyes, into something totally unrecognizable by people who have lived in this country since the 50's.


The words of Samuel Adams comes to mind:

“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
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Yet another sensible and intelligent person! I totally agree..It has always been known that the constitution serves to protect we the people from radical government. I believe Patrick said it best, give me liberty or give me death.If you don't understand that you should turn off your tv,read,and actually learn something instead of looking past the real issue
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ive never met, read about, scene, or otherwise heard of ANY anti-gunner EVER than knows the first thing about firearms.

they have VERY strong opinions about something they know NOTHING about.
SLAM THAT CLAM
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The kind that wants to beat him.
 Quoting: tin foil hat off


Yes... I understand that, which is why my question was rhetorical. :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21640558


You mock me in a funny way...

Good job
 Quoting: tin foil hat off



I a not mocking you in ANY way. I was actually AGREEING with you.
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I am sorry then. For some reason it hit me as funny, what you said.
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Hey gun controltards [Those of you who believe everything you hear on TV]...

If the jewish people didn't have their guns confiscated do you think the Holocaust still would have happened?
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The holocaust didn't happen anyway, gov't shill tard.
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I said those of you who believe everything you hear on TV for a reason

kinda funny tho aint it? heh
“It would never come into their heads to fabricate such colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there must be some other explanation.” -Adolf Hitler 1925
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Because 1996 still stings.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


Newt and the republicans controlled the house in 96. They gained control during the midterm elections in 94...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9664906


Typo.

You know what I meant.

The routing the Democrats took in the mid-term election following the AWB.

Many have gone on record about it.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


Far enough, and yeah, I know. They all learned what happens when you try and restrict gun ownership in this country. And this is why they aren't going to try again, at least not any time in the next 20 years. As a bonus, after that ban expired, we got to enjoy less restriction on gun ownership than we did at any time in the 20th century, and it is staying that way.
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But MEANWHILE, they are creating new laws that targets anyone who even LOOKS at the "government" wrong. The 1st amendment is under full-scale assault, as is the rest of the Bill of Rights.

What GOOD is owning firearms, when the first time you take a stand for anything, or try to organize, you are quickly squashed like a grape?
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Even lawful citizens can go off the deep end, and end up hurting someone or killing them, or many others, since a gun makes it so easy to kill multiple people.


I have a hard time grasping the idea of someone being free, yet needing a gun to protect themselves against other american citizens.
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because criminals have guns... that's another reason why we own guns, to protect yourself against criminals in or out of government.
"what would you do if you, knew all the things we knew. Would you stand up for truth, or would you turn and walk away"
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Did you look at those numbers? Almost 30% of republicans were on the side of the ban and 25% of dems were against.

Try again.
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So, over 70% of Republicans respect my 2A rights, and 75% of Democrats don't.

This is too easy.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


Those numbers have changed a lot since 94. There wasn't even enough democratic support in congress to bring a gun control bill to the floor during the democratic supermajority in 09.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9664906


You're right, lots of Democrats now know that gun control legislation spells the end of their careers. There are still a few ideologue holdouts, though, like Schumer, Feinstein, Bloomberg, Rahm, Hillary, Obama...

They must be purged.
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The rest maybe... But seriously, Obama has never even touched guns, or tried to.

As a bonus, after that ban expired, we got to enjoy less restriction on gun ownership than we did at any time in the 20th century, and it is staying that way.
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Really?

I can mail-order a surplus Colt .45 like my Dad could in 1968?

I can buy a Thompson SMG without having my anus probed, like my Great Granddad could in 1933?

I can buy a new production full auto like my Dad could in 1985?
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Ok yeah, I guess I did forget about that. Remember though, that was under Reagan.

And, while I am cool with people owning guns... Honestly, there are plenty that we just don't need. I'm more worried about some of those crazy, hide out in bunkers, training for insurrection, militia doomtards than I am of any US soldier coming in my door.

Besides, when our founders said we had the right to bear arms, it was to oppose tyranny and to be sure the population was able to defend themselves from foreign powers, since our founders also didn't believe in the insanely huge military we have today. They wanted us to have guns so we could defend against attacks from foreign powers. Plus, they had no way of foreseeing the kind of hardware that we have available to us today, so you know, while I am not going to say we should only be able to buy muskets, I will say that being able to empty a high capacity mag in a couple seconds is pushing it a little too far.

Hell, even our troops don't need their weapons to work on full-auto. Our troops have performed better ever since we started equipping them with guns with burst mode. They do better on semi-auto and burst mode than any soldier from any other country carrying a fully automatic Russian gun.
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OP- (TFHO) and AC 0558

I have to say, I am not anti gun, being single female I have yet to own one but, one day will feel safer with one. The town I live in is small,quiet and quite peaceful, so no need for a gun yet. When shit starts to happen - I will certainly get or already have one - even if it is an illegal one. I see no reason for criminals to have guns for purposes of ill intent where I would have one for protection.

I have enjoyed your responces to the anti-gun people on here tonite.

You 2 have made perfact and logical sense. I can easily see that the 2 people you're debating ----just don't get it!

If I have learned nothing from all the gun threads on GLP but...when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

thats all I really need to know to know that I have to protect myself.

as they say, I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Thanks you 2 for the words of wisdom.hf
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My friend, whomever you are... You safety is your responsibility. Think about what you do. Be aware of your surroundings at all times. Arm yourself and get training. okay?
Study history, or STFU! Let me guess? You'll speak your empty mind?
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Newt and the republicans controlled the house in 96. They gained control during the midterm elections in 94...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9664906


Typo.

You know what I meant.

The routing the Democrats took in the mid-term election following the AWB.

Many have gone on record about it.
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


Far enough, and yeah, I know. They all learned what happens when you try and restrict gun ownership in this country. And this is why they aren't going to try again, at least not any time in the next 20 years. As a bonus, after that ban expired, we got to enjoy less restriction on gun ownership than we did at any time in the 20th century, and it is staying that way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9664906




But MEANWHILE, they are creating new laws that targets anyone who even LOOKS at the "government" wrong. The 1st amendment is under full-scale assault, as is the rest of the Bill of Rights.

What GOOD is owning firearms, when the first time you take a stand for anything, or try to organize, you are quickly squashed like a grape?
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"You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word."
- Al Capone
It's much harder to shoot at protesters armed with AK-47's.
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ive never met, read about, scene, or otherwise heard of ANY anti-gunner EVER than knows the first thing about firearms.

they have VERY strong opinions about something they know NOTHING about.
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I know plenty of guys who can probably shoot better than you who are for gun control.

Besides, your argument is stupid. That would be like saying that anyone who wants to argue against abortion should try getting aborted once, or that anyone who is against gay marriage needs to have a homosexual relationship.

Well? You spreading your cheeks?
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OP- (TFHO) and AC 0558

I have to say, I am not anti gun, being single female I have yet to own one but, one day will feel safer with one. The town I live in is small,quiet and quite peaceful, so no need for a gun yet. When shit starts to happen - I will certainly get or already have one - even if it is an illegal one. I see no reason for criminals to have guns for purposes of ill intent where I would have one for protection.

I have enjoyed your responces to the anti-gun people on here tonite.

You 2 have made perfact and logical sense. I can easily see that the 2 people you're debating ----just don't get it!

If I have learned nothing from all the gun threads on GLP but...when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

thats all I really need to know to know that I have to protect myself.

as they say, I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Thanks you 2 for the words of wisdom.hf
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I appreciate your kind words.

It's nice to know that there are people who are able to see through the maddening fog of those who would agree with seeing us made helpless. As were the MILLIONS who died last century due to their loving "governments" disarming and genociding them.

We see ALL of the same roadsigns, and THEN SOME. Add to that the HIGH TECH CONTROL GRID, that Hitler or Stalin could only have DREAMED about having.

It's ALL there. And it's ALL waiting for a time when the globalist will have their ultimate goal fulfilled. A total and completely rock-solid, unbeatable, and escape-proof police state.

Meanwhile, trying to reason with the boot-licking, tyranny-loving idiots on this forum, is just like trying to beat back a pack of evil and ravenous wolves.

They WANT your God-given rights taken from you. Even if they don't use those words, knowing they'll be ridiculed for doing so. But the end effect is the same.
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What exactly has tens of millions of gun owners in the U.S. done to prevent...

the TSA
the IRS
the DHS
the FBI
domestic drones
30+ MILLION illegal enemy invaders in our country
etc.????

Again, how has the 2nd amendment prevented the above, and so much more ruthless tyranny by the U.S. gov't on her citizens?

Not only that, the U.S. has the most gun violence in the world.

So how has hundreds of millions of guns in private citizens' hands prevented tyranny?

It hasn't!

The 2nd Amend has been FUCKING WORTHLESS AT PREVENTING TYRANNY...Which is exactly what it was supposed to prevent!
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We can't prevent them, we can oppose them.

The main reason Japan and Germany did not invade us, was the fact that most citizens here were armed.
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ive never met, read about, scene, or otherwise heard of ANY anti-gunner EVER than knows the first thing about firearms.

they have VERY strong opinions about something they know NOTHING about.
 Quoting: SOFA-KING-COOL


I know plenty of guys who can probably shoot better than you who are for gun control.

Besides, your argument is stupid. That would be like saying that anyone who wants to argue against abortion should try getting aborted once, or that anyone who is against gay marriage needs to have a homosexual relationship.

Well? You spreading your cheeks?
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Anyone who is for gun control is against the people. I'm sorry, your friends are against us, you, and the general population if they are for gun control. Unfortunately, your friends are either traitors, or idiots.

Gun control = slavery
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I will never understand the tyranny-loving mind.

To them, it's not enough that the "government" ALREADY has a dramatic advantage when it comes to high-tech weaponry and virtually unlimited ammo. They would still want you reduced to the lowest ability to defend yourself possible. They would desire that you have a single shot rifle or pistol if that) against fully automatic machine guns.

It's not enough that the "government" has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it is extremely hostile to our rights and liberties, and is eliminating them systematically. The tyranny-loving mind places so much trust in their power-drunken masters, that they feel we need to have MORE rights, freedoms, and privacy's taken away.

It's not enough that the "government" is LEAPS and BOUNDS far more corrupt than at any time in the entire history of this nation. The tyranny-loving mind would like to see them given even MORE power and authority, and MORE reductions in our God-given rights.

It's not enough that this "government" has granted itself the ability to LEGALLY arrest and indefinitely detain (imprison) any person it decides to, without a trial, or even a CHARGE. That you may be tortured, and even put to death, having done NOTHING, aside from being someone who DOESN'T love tyranny.

It's not enough that the Powers That Suck have declared the entire United States as a "battlefield", or that they are targeting conservatives, constitutionalists, patriots, veterans, Christians, Ron Paul supporters, and labeling them as "domestic terrorists". The tyranny-loving mind thinks that this is a good thing, and doesn't realize that they themselves will eventually be included in a list of "undesirables".

The tyranny-loving mind, has a cowardly heart. It doesn't want war, just as none of the good and decent people of America do not. But they don't want to face the fact that war may come to THEM, and that they may eventually be FORCED into a war for their very lives. And in the meantime, they will continue to support the WEAKENING of our ability to defend ourselves as the RIGHTFUL authority OVER government, in the manner that the founders intended.

The tyranny-loving mind never learns from history. It doesn't have the Spirit of God in it's heart, so it makes a "god" out of it's fellow man (the state). And it counts on the good graces of the state, even when the state is transforming before it's very eyes, into something totally unrecognizable by people who have lived in this country since the 50's.


The words of Samuel Adams comes to mind:

“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
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Goofy Thum...words of wisdom. thats the kind of stuff that seems should break open even the most closed minded.
ahh but then again some people are beyond thinking logiclly.
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Lawful and reasonable are not the same thing. There are a lot of crazy mofos with legal guns.
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There are far more criminals, gang members with illegal guns and realistically speaking what are the chances that they will give up their guns. Without a doubt, we see mentally unstable people in all countries use any weapon of opportunity be it knives or bombs to kill innocents.

If you look at the latest crime statistics that is basic and not per capita, you will notice the three neutered countries that post the most squawks concerning gun control the United Kingdom is number 2 and Canada number 8 and there has been no data released by Australia so where they stand is uncertain.

Consider this in these gun neutered countries criminals must free quite safe committing crimes and legally speaking law enforcement is not obligated to save your backside if the perceived danger to them is too great.

Crime Statistics > Total crimes (most recent) by country

# 1 United States
# 2 United Kingdom
# 3 Germany
# 4 France
# 5 Russia
# 6 Japan
# 8 Canada
# 9 Italy
# 10 India

Note: There has been no released data by Australia

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The purpose of arming the citizenry of early America was to keep the leaders honest and reminded that they could just as easily be replaced as their predecessors were should they devolve to the same tyrannical level as the old English masters.

Now that the degradation process is complete and the sellout scum in the Federal government ARE as corrupt, greedy and un-representative as King George was, it only makes sense that they disarm the public.

Since our taxes no longer are enough to pay the government's exorbitant lifestyles and our ecomomy will certainly not recovery anytime soon, I fear that the government might very well pursue disarmament because it would expand their search and siezure abilities and be a hugh windfall in properties and cash!

The American people will NEVER revolt against the government without a disarmament attempt and why would the government care about spotty violence incidents since only civilians and cops are affected.

If you or I were planning on doing harm or a crime against another citizen, would you really want to allow your victims to have a firearm? No, I didn't think so, and neither do the criminals in DC.
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I will never understand the tyranny-loving mind.

To them, it's not enough that the "government" ALREADY has a dramatic advantage when it comes to high-tech weaponry and virtually unlimited ammo. They would still want you reduced to the lowest ability to defend yourself possible. They would desire that you have a single shot rifle or pistol if that) against fully automatic machine guns.

It's not enough that the "government" has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it is extremely hostile to our rights and liberties, and is eliminating them systematically. The tyranny-loving mind places so much trust in their power-drunken masters, that they feel we need to have MORE rights, freedoms, and privacy's taken away.

It's not enough that the "government" is LEAPS and BOUNDS far more corrupt than at any time in the entire history of this nation. The tyranny-loving mind would like to see them given even MORE power and authority, and MORE reductions in our God-given rights.

It's not enough that this "government" has granted itself the ability to LEGALLY arrest and indefinitely detain (imprison) any person it decides to, without a trial, or even a CHARGE. That you may be tortured, and even put to death, having done NOTHING, aside from being someone who DOESN'T love tyranny.

It's not enough that the Powers That Suck have declared the entire United States as a "battlefield", or that they are targeting conservatives, constitutionalists, patriots, veterans, Christians, Ron Paul supporters, and labeling them as "domestic terrorists". The tyranny-loving mind thinks that this is a good thing, and doesn't realize that they themselves will eventually be included in a list of "undesirables".

The tyranny-loving mind, has a cowardly heart. It doesn't want war, just as none of the good and decent people of America do not. But they don't want to face the fact that war may come to THEM, and that they may eventually be FORCED into a war for their very lives. And in the meantime, they will continue to support the WEAKENING of our ability to defend ourselves as the RIGHTFUL authority OVER government, in the manner that the founders intended.

The tyranny-loving mind never learns from history. It doesn't have the Spirit of God in it's heart, so it makes a "god" out of it's fellow man (the state). And it counts on the good graces of the state, even when the state is transforming before it's very eyes, into something totally unrecognizable by people who have lived in this country since the 50's.


The words of Samuel Adams comes to mind:

“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21640558


I cannot say anything better than the above.
Study history, or STFU! Let me guess? You'll speak your empty mind?
Anonymous Coward
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ive never met, read about, scene, or otherwise heard of ANY anti-gunner EVER than knows the first thing about firearms.

they have VERY strong opinions about something they know NOTHING about.
 Quoting: SOFA-KING-COOL


I know plenty of guys who can probably shoot better than you who are for gun control.

Besides, your argument is stupid. That would be like saying that anyone who wants to argue against abortion should try getting aborted once, or that anyone who is against gay marriage needs to have a homosexual relationship.

Well? You spreading your cheeks?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9664906


Anyone who is for gun control is against the people. I'm sorry, your friends are against us, you, and the general population if they are for gun control. Unfortunately, your friends are either traitors, or idiots.

Gun control = slavery
 Quoting: tin foil hat off


They served their country and I guarantee you that these aren't people who deserve to be called traitors. They just have their own opinion that I disagree with. Simple as that.
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I just got back from the range. Great day here in Ohio. Overcast and cool.

Oh and, guns rock....
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Good for you! What did you shoot? I spent 5 hours last Sat. shooting different. 22's. Ruger Mark II is as accurate as its reputation.
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The purpose of arming the citizenry of early America was to keep the leaders honest and reminded that they could just as easily be replaced as their predecessors were should they devolve to the same tyrannical level as the old English masters.

Now that the degradation process is complete and the sellout scum in the Federal government ARE as corrupt, greedy and un-representative as King George was, it only makes sense that they disarm the public.

Since our taxes no longer are enough to pay the government's exorbitant lifestyles and our ecomomy will certainly not recovery anytime soon, I fear that the government might very well pursue disarmament because it would expand their search and siezure abilities and be a hugh windfall in properties and cash!

The American people will NEVER revolt against the government without a disarmament attempt and why would the government care about spotty violence incidents since only civilians and cops are affected.

If you or I were planning on doing harm or a crime against another citizen, would you really want to allow your victims to have a firearm? No, I didn't think so, and neither do the criminals in DC.
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No. The purpose of arming the people wasn't just to keep the government honest, and if that is what you are worried about, you should be complaining about the fact that our military makes the government more powerful than ANY militia could ever hope to be.

The main purpose of arming our people is so our country did not have to maintain a large standing army, since our founders viewed a large standing army as the gateway to tyranny... they must have seen Cheney coming a mile away.
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ive never met, read about, scene, or otherwise heard of ANY anti-gunner EVER than knows the first thing about firearms.

they have VERY strong opinions about something they know NOTHING about.
 Quoting: SOFA-KING-COOL


I know plenty of guys who can probably shoot better than you who are for gun control.

Besides, your argument is stupid. That would be like saying that anyone who wants to argue against abortion should try getting aborted once, or that anyone who is against gay marriage needs to have a homosexual relationship.

Well? You spreading your cheeks?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9664906


Anyone who is for gun control is against the people. I'm sorry, your friends are against us, you, and the general population if they are for gun control. Unfortunately, your friends are either traitors, or idiots.

Gun control = slavery
 Quoting: tin foil hat off


They served their country and I guarantee you that these aren't people who deserve to be called traitors. They just have their own opinion that I disagree with. Simple as that.
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Well, then I suggest you don't tell them. Let them have there opinions. Keep yours to yourself.
Study history, or STFU! Let me guess? You'll speak your empty mind?
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I feel like I've overstepped my bounds here. I don't want to give anyone advice, beyond find a gun that feels right in your hand and train with it.
Study history, or STFU! Let me guess? You'll speak your empty mind?
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I will never understand the tyranny-loving mind.

To them, it's not enough that the "government" ALREADY has a dramatic advantage when it comes to high-tech weaponry and virtually unlimited ammo. They would still want you reduced to the lowest ability to defend yourself possible. They would desire that you have a single shot rifle or pistol if that) against fully automatic machine guns.

It's not enough that the "government" has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it is extremely hostile to our rights and liberties, and is eliminating them systematically. The tyranny-loving mind places so much trust in their power-drunken masters, that they feel we need to have MORE rights, freedoms, and privacy's taken away.

It's not enough that the "government" is LEAPS and BOUNDS far more corrupt than at any time in the entire history of this nation. The tyranny-loving mind would like to see them given even MORE power and authority, and MORE reductions in our God-given rights.

It's not enough that this "government" has granted itself the ability to LEGALLY arrest and indefinitely detain (imprison) any person it decides to, without a trial, or even a CHARGE. That you may be tortured, and even put to death, having done NOTHING, aside from being someone who DOESN'T love tyranny.

It's not enough that the Powers That Suck have declared the entire United States as a "battlefield", or that they are targeting conservatives, constitutionalists, patriots, veterans, Christians, Ron Paul supporters, and labeling them as "domestic terrorists". The tyranny-loving mind thinks that this is a good thing, and doesn't realize that they themselves will eventually be included in a list of "undesirables".

The tyranny-loving mind, has a cowardly heart. It doesn't want war, just as none of the good and decent people of America do not. But they don't want to face the fact that war may come to THEM, and that they may eventually be FORCED into a war for their very lives. And in the meantime, they will continue to support the WEAKENING of our ability to defend ourselves as the RIGHTFUL authority OVER government, in the manner that the founders intended.

The tyranny-loving mind never learns from history. It doesn't have the Spirit of God in it's heart, so it makes a "god" out of it's fellow man (the state). And it counts on the good graces of the state, even when the state is transforming before it's very eyes, into something totally unrecognizable by people who have lived in this country since the 50's.


The words of Samuel Adams comes to mind:

“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21640558


Yet another sensible and intelligent person! I totally agree..It has always been known that the constitution serves to protect we the people from radical government. I believe Patrick said it best, give me liberty or give me death.If you don't understand that you should turn off your tv,read,and actually learn something instead of looking past the real issue
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And yet, the totally blind idiots on this thread have told me that I am "insane", because I plainly see what is happening.

I've been WIDE AWAKE for 21 years. I woke up in 1991. I was a major-market radio talk show host in the mid 80's to mid 90's. I improved the ratings (dramatically in a few instances) of every station I've ever worked at, never been fired from a job in my life, which is virtually UNHEARD of in major market radio.

Yet, according to the tyranny-lovers on this thread... I am "insane". All for stating what SHOULD be obvious to anyone with an IQ above freezing.

I've had my life repeatedly threatened, been put under AGGRESSIVE surveillance, followed countless times, harassed, had ALL of my privacy violated on a regular basis, as have some of the guests on my show. All for telling the truth.

After 2 solid years of that, I finally gave it all up, and moved from a metro area of around 3 million, to a podunk town 1200 miles away. All my life, I've noticed one thing above all others. If you tell the truth, you're going to make the devil angry. There's simply isn't any way around that.

I AM glad for one thing...

So much of the very info that I was putting out in the 80's and 90's, has all become widely known because of the internet. The very topics that were so "controversial" back in the day, are now so readily provable (and self-evident!) that all TPTB can do, is damage control. That, and create news laws, left and right.

And all the while, we get to be chided by total and complete pinheads, about how we "don't trust our fellow citizens, or government".

Gee... Imagine THAT!
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ive never met, read about, scene, or otherwise heard of ANY anti-gunner EVER than knows the first thing about firearms.

they have VERY strong opinions about something they know NOTHING about.
 Quoting: SOFA-KING-COOL


I know plenty of guys who can probably shoot better than you who are for gun control.

Besides, your argument is stupid. That would be like saying that anyone who wants to argue against abortion should try getting aborted once, or that anyone who is against gay marriage needs to have a homosexual relationship.

Well? You spreading your cheeks?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9664906


Anyone who is for gun control is against the people. I'm sorry, your friends are against us, you, and the general population if they are for gun control. Unfortunately, your friends are either traitors, or idiots.

Gun control = slavery
 Quoting: tin foil hat off


OP, I believe in gun control and confiscation. I believe that everyone that believes in gun control or confiscation should never be allowed to have a gun,EVER, for life. The same way with anti-tobacco people, anti-abortion, anti-drug etc. Let them put themselves where their mouth's are. Otherwise let them STFU!!
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I am a ccw holder my gun goes where i go yes i carry everywhere45autokarma
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